Battlestar Galactica Revival

I kind of hope they put Hatch and/or Dirk Benedict in a throwaway cameo role, even though it'd be kind of cheesy.

One of my most amazing and amusing discoveries when I was getting more interested in Mormonism as a social history, that subtext. In the same way that all the Christianity in Narnia flew over my head when I first read it, I had to have it pointed out to me later vis-a-vis all the stuff in Galactica that was pure Joseph Smith. So much for allegory!

I kind of hope they put Hatch and/or Dirk Benedict in a throwaway cameo role

Hatch is doubtful for reasons outlined above (though it seems Ron Moore at least is trying to keep in touch with the fanbase via him at points), Benedict I could see...

Yes, I owned a BG novelization many years ago in my callow youth -- it was of the two part ice planet/big gun episode (actually, why couldn't the damn ship have just steered somewhere else?). Weird thing was it was actually pretty good.

Best part of the reboot aspect: they get to ignore Galactica 1980, as should we all (except maybe the Starbuck/Secret Origin of Cousin Oliver episode).

Yeah, that one was actually pretty great (certainly did the same theme of Enemy Mine better than the movie version did, lemme tell ya).

What WAS the deal with Cousin Oliver? Exactly who thought it would be a good idea to cast a younger version of Paul Williams, or to even create that role? The Wesley Goddamn Crusher of his time.

This page I just found details more about why the 1980 series was as bad as it was. Thankfully I've somehow forgotten about the Super Scouts.

Didn't Richard Hatch and Glen A. Larson both have rival revivals planned at about the same time?

It did have some things going for it... I'll always remember the noises the launching fighters made from the neighbouring cinema while watching Watership Down.

no need to feel sorry abt it DV.

does anyone remember the weird later episodes where god shows up to bail them out of trouble?

Turns out the original series is also going to come out on DVD shortly.

By the way, I noticed on one of the displays on the Galactica the words popping up on the screen: "Made in USA". How's that for a civilization that hasn't found Earth yet?

Yeah, December 8. Oh, that's not ominous AT ALL! They must be trying to piggyback on the anniversary of the Immaculate Conception.

Why do you have a problem with the Galactica being made by the Universal Spaceship Assemblers, Sean?

Moby should be in this movie.

Now I just want the Galactica 1980 one with special remove-the-Super-Scouts track!

Actually, I want audio commentary by Dirk Benedict and Moby on all of it.

(Or am I?)

The original pilot is genuinely good. I'll stand by that for at least a week.

Just saw the brief ad for Monday's miniseries (it's probably on the web or something, but I have no soundcard), and it seemed to come down to this: "God didn't create the Cylons. Man did."; hey, that's a mighty Earth-like planet there, I hope it isn't actually Earth; oh, it's Mary McDonnell; "let's go kick some Cylon ass!"

I'm not sure what to think.

I miss the visual style of the original most, I think. But I'm curious enough to watch part 2.

Good Points:
1) The Battle Scenes roXor!
2) Ship design is excellent.
3) The Female Starbuck was a good idea.

Bad Points
1) The whole Cylons are now disguised as humans shtick.
2) Costume design is a bad knockoff of Babylon 5.
3) The bland bland bland guy playing Apollo was a bad idea. (I mean, shit, the guy from the original series was this Jim-Morrison looking sex symbol guy that it made sense for the hotties to be hanging all over him. This guy isn't merely bland, he's a boring actor.)
4) The whole "Cylon chick who is devoutly religious" thing is probably going to either
   a) confuse the issues by adding fake spirituality or
   b) open a can of worms by implying that the heroes are all athiests "...as all good heroes should be..."; while hamfistedly making the bad guys all "Fundamentalists."

I like the human Cylons! In theory. In moderation.

The religious Cylon thing ... boy, I'm not sure how to take that. Taking the religious subtext from the original and .. making it explicit and some kind of plot point? I guess? I don't know. We'll see how it turns out.

(Or they could be riffing off Mormon stuff I don't know anything about, to be honest.)

I will definitely catch this Galactica miniseries at some point -- if it repeats while I'm at home over Xmas, then. Otherwise I'll wait on the inevitable DVD.

Watched more of it this morning. I was quite impressed that they actually dealt with the mechanics of zero-g inertia with things moving in space and filled in the details of Viper maneuvering jets, etc.

That's hardly a sophisticated assessment, but the original show starring Lorne Greene as Adama and Richard Hatch as his star-pilot son was hardly a sophisticated hour of television.
In fact, the original "Battlestar Galactica" was a cheesy low-brow piece of science fiction entertainment that lasted only one season.
No. It lasted at least three, and had an (admittedly awful) sequel.

As in the original show, the malevolent Cylons were once a race of shiny tin cans who have now evolved into slimy creatures that can take on the form of humans.
Slime? No, they were just robots with realistic looking skin.

I told y'all that the religion aspect was going to piss off somebody.

* Ships move more like they should.

Canadian Television Premiere
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA
Part 1 - Saturday, January 17 @ 9pm ET
Part 2 - Sunday, January 18 @ 9pm ET

(Toronto - December 12, 2003) The ultimate battle between man and
machine
begins as the long-awaited re-imagination of the cult classic,
Battlestar
Galactica, comes to Canada exclusively on SPACE: The Imagination
Station. A
tale of the human struggle to survive, the new miniseries stays true to
the
core of the 1978 original, but introduces some exciting new twists
including
the transformation of Starbuck, the tough pilot (originally portrayed
by
Dirk Benedict) into a female character, played by Katee Sackhoff
(Halloween
Resurrection). The two-part miniseries launches Saturday, January 17 @
9pm
ET and concludes Sunday, January 18 @ 9pm ET. SPACE will also air a
special
look at the making of the miniseries in Battlestar Galactica: Behind
the
Scenes, a SPACE original production on Saturday, January 17 @ 8:30pm
ET.

Starring Oscar nominated actors Edward James Olmos (Blade Runner, Miami
Vice) as Commander Adama and Mary McDonnell (Dances With Wolves) as
Colonial
President Laura Roslin, the miniseries begins as Commander Adama and
the
crew of the Galactica embark on plans to put the aircraft carrier in
retirement. The ship has been out of commission for almost 40 years,
since
the end of the war between the people of the 12 Colonies of Kobol and
the
Cylons, the robots created by the humans.

As plans for the closing festivities for the beloved vessel get
underway, a
new breed of Cylons, which are virtually indistinguishable from human
beings, suddenly attack and it is up to the crew of the Galactica to
save
the future of the human race. The lesson they soon learn is that the
flaws
are not in their creation, but in themselves. Also stars James Callis
(Bridget Jones's Diary) as Dr. Baltar, Alberta-born model/actress
Tricia
Helfer as Number Six, Jamie Bamber (Band of Brothers) as Apollo, Grace
Park
as Boomer, and features Canadian actors Aaron Douglas, Paul Campbell
and
Matthew Bennett (Cold Squad).

Battlestar Galactica was shot in Vancouver, British Columbia and
directed by
Michael Rymer (In Too Deep, Queen of the Damned), and written and
executive
produced by Robert D. Moore (Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek:
Deep
Space Nine, Roswell).

SPACE: The Imagination Station, a division of CHUM Television, is a
24-hour-a-day English-language national Science Fiction, Science Fact,
Speculation and Fantasy channel (www.spacecast.com).

# # #

Yeah, that's a great name.

Please note the following correction:
Ronald D. Moore is the writer and executive producer for Battlestar
Galactica, and not Robert D. Moore.
Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. Please don't hesitate to
get
in touch with me if you have any questions.

Richard Hatch (the Apollo one) makes a "special appearance in an early episode of the new show, playing a Nelson Mandela-like figure, Peter Zarek."

I still don't know if I think this is a good thing or not.

I have no problem with handheld at all! But the point of comparison was made to Blair Witch Project and how both apparently caused motion sickness among my compatriots at said dinner last night. Just doesn't affect me at all.

I just (last week) saw Series 1. The first episode, "33", is a work of evil genius.

(series is currently showing on sky3 (which is available to freeview viewers) much to my annoyance. still, was only the price of a cd or so and no adverts and no waiting a week between episodes is a good thing).

yes, "33" was great. cylons as The Mummy.

I dunno. I watched a bunch of episodes recently and it didn't seem to be as cool as it was when I first saw them in the 80s.

I watched the second half of NuBG season two over the weekend and the division of storylines was annoying - especially the CylonAngst episode set on Caprica.

Everytime they show the inside of one of the Cyclon basestars, I think they need to play some classic Detroit techno.

Well then:

Sci Fi Channel sent us the press release confirming the show is ending....

"This show was always meant to have a beginning, a middle and finally, an end. Over the course of the last year, the story and the characters have been moving strongly toward that end and we've decided to listen to those internal voices and conclude the show on our own terms," Eick and Moore said in the statement. "And while we know our fans will be saddened to know the end is coming, they should brace themselves for a wild ride getting there –- we're going out with a bang."

confirmation. muy triste.

So when are they going to Hollywood and riding motorcycles??

But that was a ripoff of Chips, so the equivalent would have to feature Apollo doing his David Caruso.

battle of the battlestar threads

this is good news

i am a bit sad abt this news but not super sad - i would've liked 2 more seasons
xpost yeah yeah

pika-chuuuu :-(

Maybe they realized that they can't sustain the dramatic tensions over more than one season, considering the last season finale.

its good to have limits

s4 is gonna rule dudes

I like that they are doing this with both BSG and Lost. Nobody wants to watch shows as they descend into X-Files/Alias nonsense.

yeah open-ended shows are always tarnished by their latter-day suckage.

(Sopranos also wise to do this)

more shows should do this. it was so sad see the x-files become a lame parody of itself.

Especially ones with BIG SECRETS (Lost, Alias, X-Files) or Gilligan's Island syndrome (BSG, Lost).

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Counter-example, however - Star Trek Voyager - weak-ass, tacked-on, convoluted ending due to waning ratings.

that one sucked from the beginning

Indeed it did. However, I think you may mean Star Trek: Enterprise, which was even worse (but actually was cut short at four years instead of going the seven allotted to TNG, DS9 and even the foetid Voyager.)

Enterprise was downright blasphemous in its suckitude

at least it was attempting something different. voyager was just bland.

predship

gornship

"predship"

ouch! lol

I just meant the bit where Voyager finally makes it home. Maybe it wasn't due to bad ratings, but it jut felt wrong (and managed to work in some lame time-travel angle too). I like the idea of the writers at least having some idea of where a show is going, rather than just figuring it out as they go (see - or rather DON'T SEE - : the last few seasons of 24).

omg i just watched the episode where there's the virus, and then sharon puts the wire in her wrist and then they build and ship and name it after the president and and omg

bit of a tearjerker that one

I vaguely remember the wrist thing.

just watched season one and first ep of season two

occasionally think bits are stupid (getting away from baddies easily, usually) or the typical having difficulty not thinking about "earth" stuff appearing in "alien" culture but do manage to forget about it, mostly. a couple of devices that I think, were they described to me, I might have thought "that will be bad and annoying" I have been able to almost not mind. wonder about the weird, shakey, zooming camerawork and lens flare in completely CGI scenes. the bit at the start, where they have the drums over bits from the ep you're about to watch, is annoying, too. on the whole, I think it's really pretty good

not thinking about "earth" stuff appearing in "alien" culture

waht this is not an alien culture

but they have earthly stuff plus check out my inverted commas

bit of a tearjerker that one

totally!

also rjg, stick with it, it only gets better

what do you mean - that they all look like humans? that they have names similar to ancient earth cultures? that they developed telephones? I don't get it... I mean its made rather sledgehammer-obvious that the colonies' cultures are precursors/contemporaries of earth's.

x-post

like why wouldn't you expect them to develop pants and whiskey and poker chips and have dogs for pets

precursors?

(and actually while I really enjoy it I'm not sure I would say it gets better - the miniseries has yet to be topped imho)

yeah precursors like they had their thing going and then a colony got lost and left for earth - are you sure you're watching this show?

in old battlestar there was the line "some say life here began out there"

i never got the impression that this was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, i thought it was the future

i'm only halfway through season two though

xpost - but it's not actually made entirely clear in this series that this is what's going on, nor that it's not way in the future anyway

and when i said it only gets better, all i know is up to the tearjerker i said i just watched upthread, remember?

i'm really glad a friend of mine has all my battlestar cds b/c i wld watch that ep right now without hesistation and i have lots of work to do

rjg your inverted commas are really great

okay sorry didn't mean to spoil anything - rrobyn is nevertheless correct that the chronology is left ambiguous

apology not accepted

*cries*

sledgehammer-ambiguous

*lols*

Adama's big speech about earth at the end of the miniseries = pretty fuckin obvious

hey did you notice how many of the characters have names from ancient earth cultures? WHOAH

you know what I mean

if this was supposed to be an alien lifeform/culture that has, as a surprise, evolved/developed exactly along the same lines as that of earth has except they know all about space and have better guns and don't know about "fuck", well, fine. but this is twelve-thirteenths of an ancient civilisation that has been apart from the other thirteenth since no-one can remember and that thirteenth came to earth and joined in w/ life here? at what point? did they know the planet they were heading for when they left the rest of them? did they bring their culture and knowledge, so far, and got everyone to pretend they didn't know all about space and got them to change it to "fuck"? were these names and their number system and slang and so on theirs and they brought it w/ them even though they appear at certain points in earth's own history? maybe they revealed it bit by bit so it didn't seem suspicious. perhaps all the names, etc, in this television programme are just being replaced w/ earthly approximations to colour it for earthly viewing. these are pointless questions but about things that occasionally pass through, probably, a lot of the minds of people who watch this and other, similar science-fiction stuff and slightly unsuspend your disbelief. when they choose to call a ship "the olympic carrier" and people "apollo" and "thrace" and "hot dog", well, it makes me, at least, think "um", occasionally, whether I want to or not. like when the camera flies about in space and zooms in on a particular ship and I think "am I supposed to be thinking about this being filmed by a person that is in space?". that's all!

all your crossposts

there are many clues but still ambiguity as to actual time
one issue with that is, like, why are there no battlestars and why am i not in a spaceship right now
did they all fall out of the ship and onto earth and forget about space technology and then build aqueducts instead?
xpost yep

omg apollo is british?!

their trick of making me think "well, this isn't like it is on earth" is cutting all the corners of their letters and maps and playing cards and tables

hahaha
in the future/past there are no right angles

apollo actor *is* british!

so why doesn't battlestar galactica have any british people?

did they all fall out of the ship and onto earth and forget about space technology and then build aqueducts instead?

Angry monotheism God followed them to earth and punished humanity by trapping us here/making us forget our true nature, etc.

i mean they have a mexican and a mulatto, don't they

(iow what PKD/Grant Morrison/crazy gnostics and Peruvian UFO watchers said)

x-post

oh i guess gaius is britishes

gaius is so very english

crosspost

still doesnt make sense to me--was there a britain on caprica?

okay I admit that one occurred to me too - but I do appreciate the Gaius = Britishes = Roman (specifically Caligula) connection

dear britishes - why do the evil people in sci-fi films always have british accents. thx from an american

Gaius = Britishes = Roman?

sometimes they're german or english doing german accents

um yeah there was this thing called the Roman Empire that the British Empire was rather deeply endebted to.

Gaius is the only Roman name on the show too, afaic

on rome all the romans have british accents

wait til you get to near the end of season 3, when Gaius goes all class warrior and starts fucking around with his accent

xp: every bit of sci fi since star wars has british accents, since in lazy(?) shorthand for an american audience, british accent = imperial

certain british accents are decidedly not imperial tho

this goes outside sci-fi obv too

certain british accents are decidedly not imperial tho

-- rrrobyn, Thursday, 14 June 2007 09:23 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

So, like, is that why the lawyer dude is Irish rather than, say, English? Coz the bro is tortally not imperialist? He's just busting out some "justice is blind" bullshit, but he's still, like, part of teh imperial tenticles whoa.

?

I demand all future bad guys to have Parthian or Hunnish accents.

um yeah there was this thing called the Roman Empire that the British Empire was rather deeply endebted to.

in terms of being called "an empire"?

sorry, I meant

um yeah in terms of being called "an empire"?

oh, inverted comma

i think cylon xena just has an australian accent, if only a slight one
and there are plenty of canadian accents masquerading as 'neutral' or something

,,empire,,

um yeah, Xena is a ,,kiwi,, but she might be doing a bit of strine.

I meant ,,strine,, obvs

ohnoes i totally mixed up aus and nz! i even know the difference
oh well
accents

I actually thought she sounded more Australian than Kiwi on BSG anyway.

that's like mixing up brooklyn and queens accents

somehow accents on tv don't sound like accents in real life though

that's like mixing up brooklyn and queens accents

-- cutty, Thursday, 14 June 2007 09:52 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Dude! Grossly offended etc.

i've never seen a people more sensitive about accents than the aussies/kiwis

south africans probably have some issues

um yeah in terms of being called "an empire"?

well sure yeah plus in terms of government, language, ethnicity, history, foreign policy ad infinitum

well sure yeah the government of british empire plus a lot of other governments in the history of the world? this is just because it's "an empire"?

well sure yeah the language has a ton of words derived from latin plus their alphabet but is a completely different language. especially when you have italian and spanish and french and stuff. it's not like britain was like "looks like this will be an empire soon--let's talk more like the romans". unless you mean the romans led the way for germanic people and their language or that some of the language of government ("government") is derived from latin? like it isn't everywhere else

well sure yeah there were roman guys in britian plus a lot of invaders and migrants of different ethnicities, incl. the anglo-saxons and norse, who far more affected the ethnicity of the founders of the british empire. again, a lot of other places are far more decended from the romans than the british

well sure yeah the history plus the history of europe and the world. come on

there is a similarity between the roman empire and the british empire only in v general terms. your terms are v v v v general and not good

in terms of intention, wouldn't you prefer the nazi germany or even the holy roman empire? all the people that wanted to rule the whole of europe when the british empire ruled a ton of places but

america probably has more in common w/ the roman empire than the british empire did

America has plenty in common with the Roman Empire, and one of the reasons it does is because there's a clear historical line from Rome -> England -> America. The entire concept of representative government administered by a complex and centralized bureacracy is Roman in nature - England borrowed heavily from it throughout its history. I can't believe you even wanna contest the language thing, considering the other examples you mention as influencing English are all LATIN (ie, ROMAN) languages.

unless you mean the romans led the way for germanic people and their language or that some of the language of government ("government") is derived from latin? like it isn't everywhere else

Yeah, they totally did, and no it is not like that everywhere else. Europe /= the entire world.

get one Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, or Cicero, or jesus any history book.

like when the camera flies about in space and zooms in on a particular ship and I think "am I supposed to be thinking about this being filmed by a person that is in space?

when you watch a shot of two people talking in a room do you wonder WHO ELSE IS IN THE ROOM WITH THEM filming the scene?!? whoah - mindblowing!

when you go to the movies do you check behind the screen for the actors?

the external shots of the burrowing capsule thing in The Core - ROFL

considering the other examples you mention as influencing English are all LATIN (ie, ROMAN) languages.

yes, I wasn't giving examples of languages that have influenced english but romance languages that latin has influenced more than it has english. the same way I was giving examples of why the british empire, in particular, is not especially like the roman empire

there's a clear historical line from Rome -> England -> America

you like the unuseful/simplistic sweep. an unclear historical line that passes through those three as well as many more. also, you think they named a character gaius and made sure it was a man w/ an english accent playing him as a nod to the connection between the roman empire and british empire

when you watch a shot of two people talking in a room do you wonder WHO ELSE IS IN THE ROOM WITH THEM filming the scene?!? whoah - mindblowing!

yes, that's the same

get one Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, or Cicero, or jesus any history book.

nice try, btw

you like the unuseful/simplistic sweep.

seems pretty useful to me in that it helps explain some of Baltar's unique characteristics, among other things.

you think they named a character gaius and made sure it was a man w/ an english accent playing him as a nod to the connection between the roman empire and british empire

I like the ext. shots, with the crash zoom with a little bit of pan & tilt to focus on the action. For me, it helps with immersion & reality(if you will), like there's actually a dude operating a camera filming real ships blasting at each other.

rjg have you read Ulysses.

I know someone who has

You know someone.

that's right

By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Jul-15-2007

They aren't exactly Webisodes like fans got with "The Resistance" last year, but SciFi Channel is taking a similar route in an effort to promote the upcoming "Battlestar Galactica" telemovie "Razor."

The network plans to air an eight-week series of shorts lasting between two and three minutes that will give fans some background on the original Cylon-Colonial War, featuring scenes of a young William "Husker" Adama as a Viper pilot, according to a press release by the network.

The mini-episodes will premiere in October during the network's primetime schedule, and will star Nico Cortez as the young Adama, who discovers a weapon that will provide the backdrop for the upcoming telemovie featuring the Battlestar Pegasus.

SciFi Channel announced that "Razor," which will be made available on DVD a short time later, will air on the network Nov. 24. The shorts, written by Michael Taylor and directed by Wayne Rose and Felix Alcala, apparently were part of the original script that were cut because of time from the final movie, a source tells SyFy Portal. The scenes featured in the promotional cuts will be included in the uncut movie release on DVD as part of the overall movie.

Not only will the mini-episodes be aired on SciFi Channel, but they also will be part of the network's Web site as well, almost making them Webisodes, but just not quite.

According to the network, the telemovie will feature Apollo's (Jamie Bamber) first days in command of the Pegasus, which took place chronologically in the show's second season. It also stars Michelle Forbes, who reprises her role as Adm. Cain.

"Battlestar Galactica" is expected to premiere its fourth and final season in 2008.

The Young Bill Adama Chronicles

razor leaked

yep! stoked.

im in the middle of the 2nd season and this shit is SO GOOD and i cant actually read this thread for fear of spoilers but GODDAMN do i love it

o rly>??

next season delayed till april :(

I saw that they are playing Razor in a few theatres.

wow, that was not good.

worse than the last season?

i thought it was ok.

It basically felt like a standard second-rate sci-fi show. Predictable, unfascinating... Without anything that would have possibly made me "tell all my friends".

wait are you talking about Razor or the show in general?

Anyway...this definitely had a "side story" feel to it. It mostly just fleshed out stuff you already knew about the Pegasus back story. The only things of true interest were the Cylon bits, especially towards the end with *SPOILER*the hybrid creature's warning about Kara and the reappearance of the old Centurion models*END SPOILER*. It's definitely more or less fiLler until the next season starts (fucking APRIL ARRRGGHHH!).

I mean Razor.

SPOILERS
Yeah, ok there was an interesting but opaque tidbit with reference to next season, but overall it played out like JAG-in-space or something. Flashbacks are almost always a lame vehicle for extended action, and I felt like the script was reverse-engineered for a) the chance to show lesbian Cane (oh look! heartless butch lesbians! how uncliched!); b) the chance to show old centurion models.

The "hybrid" thing was to me vague, implausible, and boring. (<I>That's</i> the Cylon "god"!? Some lost, middle-of-nowhere half-man guarded by easily defeated antiques? Unless you add some tragedy to that, some commentary on it -- so lame.) The shooting of the civilians was horribly scripted and shot, so move-of-the-week. I liked the shooting of the XO but that had been telegraphed so far in advance. The suicide at the end was so low-stakes because we knew Kara couldn't die. In fact, the whole thing was so low-stakes because we knew exactly how everything turned out. One of Battlestar's greatest strengths (other than the nuances of its scripted stories) is the way it isn't afraid to pull the rug from under your expectations, and here everything just trotted out as it was exposited, essentially, a whole season ago. It didn't even widen the Galactica world: I don't feel I was exposed to a new section of society, or new kinds of voices. Just another steely, flawed officer, and some clueless red-shirt civilians.

super disappointed. can't see how this story was exciting enough for Ron Moore (or the network!) to want to invest all this time and energy. would have been a filler episode during an average season, and in no way justified the special care or attention.

I don't really disagree with your assessment of the ep (I just happened to enjoy it more than you perhaps), but:

*SPOILER*

The "hybrid" thing was to me vague, implausible, and boring. (<I>That's</i> the Cylon "god"!? Some lost, middle-of-nowhere half-man guarded by easily defeated antiques? Unless you add some tragedy to that, some commentary on it -- so lame.)

Was it really implied that it was THE Cylon God? I didn't get that impression. I might be wrong though. It was, as you said, rather vague and not too well thought out.

I liked that they depicted something of how the Cylons began to mimic humans, but it could've been done better. At least we know where those basestar hybrid pilots came from now lol.

*END SPOILERS*

I am watching Razor tomorrow so not reading above but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO \/:

Battlestar Galactica's executive producer Ronald D. Moore has accepted that the show may never resume filming following the current writers' strike in America.

In a posting on his blog after production on the acclaimed show's final season shut down, Moore stated: “I refuse to believe that we won’t finish, that we won’t be back to film our final stories, but I know and accept there is that possibility.”

Currently, only 13 episodes have been filmed with nine yet to be completed. Moore added: “I am ready to put the rest of the story on the table and take the risk that I’ll never be able to tell it, in support of this strike. Like Adama says, you make your choices and then you live with them.”

aww, i spect they'll get written and scifi will want to get em filmed. eventually

I'm beginning to think that BSG is my favourite TV show of all time, but nothing disguises that Razor is two rejected season two script ideas crammed together.

Still, season four cannot come quickly enough. As long as it concludes the story properly, that is.

And the last webisode virtually confirms that Lee Adama is a cylon.

i bet it's gonna end something like this: they all discover that the "humans" in the show are actually an organic synthetic race descended from a robotic race that Earthlings built (paralleling the Cylons' creation and evolution), then subsequently exiled, probably after a war with the OG humans. they settle on Kobol, then the rest you can prolly guess.

"all this has happened before..." etc.

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I thought it was pretty ripping.

have not yet watched
i want to but i don't want to

It's good. It's like a missing episode of Season 2, with some Season 4 foreshadowing.

why is Season 3 DVD not even in production

dvd strike

the real reason is they tend to release seasons a couple weeks before the new season preems to build hype.

PAPER SHORTAGE

working out how to make DVDs with cut off corners?

I have Season 3 on DVD - There was a collection of all three seasons (+ the miniseries) that I bought for 55 of my english pounds.

s3 DVD has been out in the UK since September.

http://www.neweyestudio.com/ebayE/ebe302.jpg
they should bring back that show Quark while theyre at it.
teh universal studios ride was unparalleled, cept by the
bionic man saskwatch tunnel. so it goes.

Does the stuff about "We can't just jump without coordinates! We might end up in a sun!" stuff bother anyone else? I mean, I know how little of space is actually occupied. Why don't these guys who live and work in space understand the odds?

it actually happened tho during one mission one of the raptors ended up inside a mountain!

well why the fuck is s3 available in the UK but not the US then

Not the same at all, they were trying to jump into a low orbit of an unmapped planet, not just "AWAY FROM HERE RIGHT NOW, ANYWHERE BUT HERE FUCK!"

Although it does raise the issue of why jumping into a space occupied by solid matter is dangerous while jumping into a space occupied by gaseous matter is not.

Does the stuff about "We can't just jump without coordinates! We might end up in a sun!" stuff bother anyone else? I mean, I know how little of space is actually occupied. Why don't these guys who live and work in space understand the odds?

-- Oilyrags, Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:43 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

hahaha that always bugs me!!!

it's east to faff about with tho - esp as they have to plot a course. perhaps the gravity/space/time bendiness means that yr more likely to go off course. and stuff

yeah, attraction to heat, man

I'm tortally downloading razor atm :):):):O

Its because its all Spacey-Wacey

Thank god it's not all Timey-Wimey as well.

it might be

wight-be

Season four teaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGz8SUvZJ7Q

This show is really heavy.

razor was dumb

A bit of a disappointment. Hopefully the next series will make up for it.

razor was better than the last season, i thought.

saw some ad on sci-fi channel that new episodes will start airing April 4...?

meanwhile I still haven't seen season 3, where is DVD set grrrr

it's like they want you to download 'em

i too found Razor a bit disappointing, felt about the same as the weakest parts of s3

I hate watching shit on my crappy laptop, I ain't downloading anything.

that'll show 'em.

WAITING FOR SEAS 3, WHERE ARE THE LITTLE FUCKERS? Do not have computer for to downloading.

whatevs s1ocki plz to explain why I should go out of my way to watch a low quality product on my tiny laptop in a manner that will not enhance my enjoyment of the material

yr acting like my expectation that they should release seas3 in the same manner they've released all the other episodes is totally unjustifiable or something

Razor was a return-to-form, and Season 3 was just fine, I thought. (Although admittedly a bit dull in the middle, and not as good as the first two.) But I'm not all 'omg shark jump' about it.

they'd better finish series 4, or...or...

The big FITE around ep 3 or 4 of Season 3 is well worth waiting for the DVD, it looked a bit shite on my laptop.

whatevs s1ocki plz to explain why I should go out of my way to watch a low quality product on my tiny laptop in a manner that will not enhance my enjoyment of the material

yr acting like my expectation that they should release seas3 in the same manner they've released all the other episodes is totally unjustifiable or something

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:06 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i was just joking dude

i had no point beyond it would be funny to punish the studio by not stealing its product

shoplifting so much more satistfying than downloading

apparently they could be back in production soon to finish uyp the final season now that the strike is over.

season 3 started out really good with the new caprica stuff but once they left it kind of petered out. i liked the wacky finale though.

can't wait for season 4.

seasons 2 & 3 both flagged in the middle but started & ended strong. they should stick to like 12 episode seasons, and leave out the bullshit in the middle (if heroes did this i would still be watching it)

also i think on season 3 the mid-season flagging was not helped by the network-mandated standalone episodes.

oh was that why there were all those water-treading disconnected relationship issues eps??

season just GROUND to a halt.

yeah i HATED those, when my friends started watching i told them to skip em

season 3 is great cos it has fat lee, the big battle to get them off new caprica, tie as "one-eyed drunk", the genocide of the cylons ep., and some class balthar weeping

it was getting a bit bogged down and filler-y for a mo, but now onto 'the eye of jupiter' and the story's kicking back in

when does season 4 start and when does razor take place?

Season 4 starts in April. Razor takes place during the American Civil War

Mostly it alternates between late season 2 and Cain's command of the Pegasus.

season 3 DVDs out today...?

okay I have seen Season 3 now and am eagerly awaiting Season 4 where they explain WHY THEY RUINED THE SHOW WITH A SHITTY DYLAN/HENDRIX REFERENCE

i know, rite?

I've spotted weird anachronisms before (Colonials quoting Shakespeare, for ex.) but that was so heavy-handed AND unnecessary, very lame. rest of the cliffhangar episode was pretty great actually. although not as OMG as Season 2s.

this is heartening:

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/interviews/sfw18598.html

David Eick, what will we see in season four as we build to the conclusion of the series?

Eick: I think you're going to see one continuous story from beginning to end, unlike other seasons where we'd done a multitude of stand-alone episodes and episodes that would introduce different political movements. This is really going to be about starting from ground zero, where we left off season three, and a sprint all the way to the end. And I think the fans, really, are going to feel like they're getting their due. They're going to feel like they're finally getting the season of Battlestar Galactica that they have always wanted, where we're not worrying about inviting a new audience, necessarily. We're just really committed to finishing the story in a way that feels legitimate and at the level I think fans have come to expect.

What can you tell us about the direction of season four?

Bamber: Based on what we've already shot, you're going to see these new Cylons who've discovered they're Cylons trying to figure out what the hell they're doing and why they are where they are and what's going on. That's kind of a microcosm for what everyone is doing, basically trying to figure what they hell they're doing alive, breathing, wandering through space. It's pretty riveting space. There's no fluff. There's no stand-alone episodes. It's one big, tight arc. No fat, all muscle. All sinew and great storytelling.

sounds promising

sure, why not. but i mean basically all he said was "this season is gonna rock!" tho the no stand-alones is a relief.

excited

GET ON WITH IT

the no stand-alones is a relief.

that's mostly what I was referring to. the rest is just hype

EXCITED

people seem to forget that we last left our refugees being attacked by a massive cylon fleet without the ability to spin up their FTL drives. I just hope the resolution to that is fun, and not something solved after three minutes by Starbuck flying in saying "live together die alone" guys.

Anyway, started re-watching Season 3 with my friend who is catching up on what he has missed last night. I had forgotten how amazing that season started.

ONE YEAR LATER

15th of april for sky viewers :(

tomorrow, so stoked!

ugh I have to watch this with my mom

haha

the group of friends I'll be seeing it with is all dudes.

I think I'll bring bratwust.

sausage party!

there is no bigger fan of this show than my wife, but yeah mom is in town to help out with baby so we're kinda stuck. my mom has a tendency to talk through movies/ask a lot of questions/start side conversations, etc.

First episode is streaming on scifi.com as of noon tomorrow...

15th of april for sky viewers :(

i don't understand it when people say things like this about tv! are you not on the internet?? it is a glorious day and age!

can't decide whether to watch this or party in milwaukee. why must it be on friday nights????

i know, internets etc.

ok watched the live stream on scifi. it was good. this ep doesn't waste any time getting started.

can't wait to rewatch it tonight.

link? can't find it on the sci fi site.

it was streamed live from 12-1 est. not on there now. :-/

;_;

wtf I was channel-surfing last night and came across some hyper-fastpaced series synopsis on the sci-fi channel that went on for like 20 minutes. it was really weird.

it was like listening to a drunk 13-yo describe each episode as quickly as possible

i am totally doing delayed gratification on this
saturday morning awyeah

Why do the Cylons come every 33 minutes?

Shakey - I think you mean this.

Or this, maybe?

It's part of these weird recap meme this year. I think it got started by some fan doing one for The Sopranos, then ABC did one called Lost in 8:15, and The Wire also had one for seasons 1-4. They even got the same (still unknown?) narrator from the Lost one to do BSG's.

you can watch the season premiere "He Who Believeth In Me" here!

http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=32850

Not a bad premiere. Drunk John McCain's on-going meltdown keeps getting better.

Apparently, Edward James Olmos is on the internets telling everyone that the final season is heartbreaking. It's not clear if he means that as in "not good" or "sad."

ejo is all up in the internets?

Not to be cranky, but I was pretty unimpressed.

it was pretty unimpressive

After Apollo brought up Zack last night, I had to wonder if maybe the Lost Adama doesn't play a significant role this season.

ok. ground cleared. next week then, for the good stuff.

I wasn't impressed when I saw it Friday night. Then I woke up the next morning and realized that it wasn't a terrible episode and that I'm pretty happy it's back on the television, especially given the paucity of decent offerings at the moment. I was mostly pissed off about the forced cliffhanger ending, but I'll get over it.

The whole Baltar is the new Manson family plot is pretty intriguing. He continues to be one of the best realized characters in film or tv (perhaps on par with Al Swearengen from Deadwood) and that alone makes it worth watching.

i liked the episode quite a lot actually, and i was a season 3 hater bigtime.

butttttt

baltar is "one of the best realized characters in film" ?!?!!!!!!

I never fail to be entertained by Baltar's facial reactions to everything.

So of course, I liked the episode. For other reasons, too.

Baltar is easily the best character on the show.

s'alright innit

I like Dr Baltar. I would be more like him if I could, but I could never be that way.

I am currently watching Battlestar Galactica 1980, it's pretty terrible!

I prefer to imagine that Baltar is played by Billy Mitchell.

for some reason i find most baltar scenes boring (except when he's actually learning stuff) - but he's outdoing tony soprano in the 'hateful dude gets mad fine bitches' stakes

first 15 mins were great, like the chief's new gruffer tone

he's got a lot of things on his mind to make him gruffer, that's for sure

it was ok

baltar has always been the best character

butttttt

baltar is "one of the best realized characters in film" ?!?!!!!!!

he's totally the comic relief too
which, uh, says a lot about how much of a lolcomedy this show is...
i'm into it getting darker and darker as it all comes to an end though, bring it

haha while we were watching the first 10 minutes, a friend of mine was like, so while the writers strike was on the fx guys just fucked around with new ways to make laser explosions eh
fully cheesy i guess but whatever it made me wish i had a huuge screen

xpost

does anyone think this ep's cliffhanger was anything but lame

lol yeah it's not like we don't know what's going to happen.

overall i thought it was a solid episode. but really i just want to get this season started and see where they go.

as IF starbuck's gonna kill roslin

srsly

also the tigh-killing-adama fantasy seq was so cheap

yeah, definitely.

i liked how angry and suspicious roslin was though. she's getting meaner.

I thought it was pretty good. Characters I dislike so far this season: Stabuck's husband (too whiney); Baltar cult cru (espesh the diseased kid); Tigh (fantasy Adama killin was lame).

was the sick kid a thing from prev season?

The boy's mother visited Baltar in the brig in the penultimate episode of season 3. She showed a photo of her son asked Baltar to bless him.

I loved the cheesy-ass shrine they had with Baltar's photo in it.

What about the son of the dude who attacks Baltar? Was there meeting shown previously?

their

fairly unimportant..but I was just wondering. I couldn't remember it.

I don't think the incident was shown. But iirc that guy was one of the "circle" members who were secretly throwing cylon collaborators out the airlock at the beginning of season 3 (after the exodus from New Caprica).

yeah, they've referenced his family before. loved baltar's babecult - manson overtones mixed in w/ the jesus.

Also, was Baltar's mental cylon girl ok with him shagging the cult girl?

Maybe I shd rewatch some season 3.

http://cache.io9.com/assets/resources/2008/04/galactica.jpg

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

"Nice paintjob on the supersoaker!"

what the hell is that

a photograph by danielle levitt, for gq magazine

"Nice paintjob on the supersoaker!"

-- Oilyrags, Tuesday, April 8, 2008 7:38 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lollll

it's a still from the final episode

adama - ned
roslin - dang perry
baltar - jon
tigh - tombot
gaeta - nabisco
starbuck - ethan
helo & sharon - pleasant plains and his wife the australian
callie - dom

a photograph by danielle levitt, for gq magazine

lols

do the cylons now balls

huh huh huh

'do'

yes, 'do'. as in, 'have sex with.' have sex with the cylons now, balls.

Start with Dean Stockwell.

dean stockwell - j0hn d
boomer - luna
head-six - momus
caprica six - ?
that six baltar gave the nuke to - kate st. claire
michelle forbes commander of the pegasus - ms. misery
leoben or whatever his name is - jess
that one cylon what was on air force one and they left him and he's popped up since, in the suit - suzy
blonde xena - ally
indian girl cylon assitant to roslin - deej
sam anders - curtis
tyrol - pashmina

that photo

o_O

tho my co-worker/friend did just say 'katie sackhoff's hottt'

katee

tyrol - pashmina

pash one day hears some mondeo pop coming from nowhere and realises he was an lzbc member all along

that picture is lacking racetrack

so is there a new episode tonight?

yes.

aw, RIP Lee & Dee

I could swear that awesome line "You're the PRESIDENT'S WETNURSE" is some sort of an Adama callback from earlier in the series...

good episode i thought, they kinda saved the 'omg starbuck gonna kill the prez' cliffhanger w/ 'basically, women are crazy'. loved loved loved the cylon schism.

needs more stuff blowing up and less emo now

this show is not what it used to be. :(

i dunno, i thought it was a decent ep. when has the show not been emo?

the 70s lol

Bleh, bleh and bleh.
One more episode from putting this gently on the "never recovered from the New Caprica aftermath" trashheap and walking away.

ya this is pretty boring. this show just completely lost the sense of urgency that had me glued to it in the early seasons. don't think it's ever recovered from those first scenes of cylons bickering back in late season 2... worst most disappointing reveal ever

i mean srsly that 20 minute bagpipe apollo goodbye scene??? that's what they come back with?? anyone here shed a tear over that one?

Hardly. They're of the opinion that they've earned that scene; I don't think anybody really cared.

especially not in the second episode of the season... way to stay bogged down in old shit instead of pushing fwd

I dunno. The bagpipe goodbye was certainly a bit much (BSG loves overlong goodbyes way too much lol), but overall I've enjoyed the two episodes so far.

don't think it's ever recovered from those first scenes of cylons bickering back in late season 2... worst most disappointing reveal ever

I can see that. Taking the mystery away from the Cylons as villains was probably not the best idea. For those who see that as a sticking point, I can see why the show wouldn't be as compelling.

However, for me at least, the mystique factor has been taken up by the mythology behind Earth and the final five, how it all ties to the Lords of Kobol and the origins of humanity, etc. But then again, I'm a nerd, speculating about that back story stuff's my bread and butter.

But I've also always dug the soap opera and INTENSE DRAMA (TM) moments,
which maybe aren't to everyone's tastes. I love Adama when he's pissed, and Roslin when she's pissed even more.

Anyway, that's just my view. I'm still enjoying it, at least.

I noticed that Adama fished the ship model out of the trash.

First two episodes so far feel like set-ups for later episodes so there's a lot of foot tapping right now. Loved the ALL OUT SPACE WAR in the first 10 minutes of episode 1 (bored CGI guys sitting around waiting for strike to finish)

It hasn't helped that I just watched the entire season + movie of Firefly/Serenity in the past week w/high quotient of smart-assed violence.

(bored CGI guys sitting around waiting for strike to finish)

The FX are one thing about the show that unequivocally keep getting better and better.

I'm also with balls (heh) on the Cylon schism. Loved that part, especially the look the centurions gave each other after they shot everybody up.

they should have high-fived, all would have been forgiven.

i dunno, the earth stuff is like... ya, earth. great. i already live here. what's the big whoop?

there is like ZERO sense that humanity is in peril and that they're scraping by by their fingernails and the cylons "have a plan" and everything is precarious and holy shit what's gonna happen.

it's starting to feel like any old vancouver-shot sci-fi show. battlestargate sg-1 is more like it.

Fair enough, I see what you're saying, the dramatic urgency isn't there with the cylons not busting the humans' asses all the time like the first two seasons. The show's focus has kind of shifted and I can see that it's not as interesting that way for some.

i dunno, the earth stuff is like... ya, earth. great. i already live here. what's the big whoop?

Well for me it's not Earth itself as much as how it connects to the origins of man and the Cylons, but like I said that's nerdy stuff, I can understand not caring about it.

battlestargate sg-1 is more like it.

Oohhhh that's cold. I can definitely understand thinkling it's not what it used to be but I don't think it's reached that nadir just yet.

lol thinkling

they should have high-fived, all would have been forgiven.

-- s1ocki, Sunday, April 13, 2008 3:03 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I'm hoping they develop speech and start wisecracking like Johnny 5

the final episode they're on earth all gold-plated and jumping in the air

"earth's up, dude!"

no srsly i think one of the biggest problems is the show is just re-doing stuff. like the final five cylons plot arc i could not be less hooked on. i felt like we've already been over the "omg i'm a cylon" thing with boomer like 3 seasons ago. and the omg roslin is dying thing. and the big mysterious earth thing i COULD get into but i don't feel like the show's given me any good reason beyond "well i hope they've got something neat up their sleeves." lost is so good at piquing interest in that mythology stuff and compared to that bsg just looks weak.

I'll probably watch it all out, but I think they lost it a few episodes after the escape from Nu-Caprica. To me wherever they are going with the four cylons have been totally tacked on to try and wrap things up, I just don't see how they could have planned on Tigh being a Cylon let alone Chief or Anders.

I liked it better when the Cylons had a plan and were just obliterating anything in their path while drinking a latte. If Dean Stockwell and the other Cylons that got wasted are done, I think it was just a way to cut payroll.

i can see what you're saying. i guess it depends on what one wants out of the show. s'cool.

obviously dean stockwell isn't done. they cylon rift adds all kinds of awesomeness to the show. that plus baltar-as-jesus-figure makes this still a quality watch.

I like the earth mystique bits. Wish they'd add a bit more of that. The ep was okay. Racetrack still hot.

hottie indian is truly into baltar now, right

A lot of what I dislike about this show right now can be distilled into Col. Tai's meaningful one-eyed glances. It's all deep, foreboding, frantic panic undercut by the dramatic intensity of a crazy old guy screaming at the kids to get off his lawn.
On the plus side, I never fail to crack my girlfriend up by growling about the "frakkin' cylons" if we run into electrical problems or commuter traffic...

it'd be better if you said frakkin' toasters

don't have high hopes for the cylon schism. every demystifying cylon squabbling scene is another stake in this show's heart.

yeah i had hopes but i'm not really feeling it, tho hopes remain
this show right now probably just needs to be more like 'the thing'
+ more space fighting
+ hilarious baltar sex scenes

it's just weird that they've made both the humans and cylons kinda confused and aimless.

tho kinda reflective of current political times?

maybe

which also makes sense with a faction of cylons revolting and lots of small political groups going on in the fleet
doesn't nec make for good tv show tho...

anyway....

looks like next week callie's gonna kick the bucket

;_;

noooooo

on the other hand i'd be even more ;_; if she is the 5th cylon

she's so adorable. she will be missed;_;

i'm guessing she's gonna kill herself after finding out about the chief

"plus baltar-as-jesus-figure makes this still a quality watch."

That is kind of true, but Baltar is by far the most entertaining character on the show and the actor that plays him is an allstar at being smarmy. I think they could about put him in any situation and that guys smirk would work. They also were playing up a religious angle with him back when they stole the whole a-bomb and the one 6 nuked the ship right before the election.

still clearing the ground, moneouvring the characters?? otherwise, what happened in this ep: cylon schism/revolt.

^^^could have been done in one episode really

don't have high hopes for the cylon schism. every demystifying cylon squabbling scene is another stake in this show's heart.

yeah, basically once it became clear that the Cylons DON'T actually have a plan some serious tension evaporated. I am not as down on this as s1ocki cuz I am interested in the "origins of humanity" angle and the Baltar lolz but I agree that I'm a little frustrated with the foot-dragging and goodbye scenes and general water-treading.

Can we basically assume that when they get to earth they're going to find either:
A) 21st Century us
B) 2001-stylee prehistoric cavemen
C) a planet of balthars
d) a planet of Malkovich's (honestly, this would redeem the last two seasons for me; he is the ONE)

they'll find the Egyptians with their stargate

garden of eden amirite

they'll find ILX and remember why humanity left

DG is like ILX's ancient mariner, or "pariah" from crisis on infinite earths!

they'll find ILX and remember why humanity left

-- DG, Monday, April 14, 2008 8:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

megalolz

baltar is lolz, sure, but the jesus angle is tired as hell. and hammy comedy is not must-watch tv for dudes like me.

s1ocki - can't believe you missed cabane à sucre on sunday! i was trying to get nico to communicate to you that we were MEETING AT MY HOUSE AND THEN STUFFING OURSELVES WITH MAPLE SYRUP but clearly you were too snoozy to realise the awesomeness of both these propositions. i enjoyed bookshp and want more chances to hang out. come to listening session on thursday!

Sean are you still up in Canada?

s1ocki - can't believe you missed cabane à sucre on sunday! i was trying to get nico to communicate to you that we were MEETING AT MY HOUSE AND THEN STUFFING OURSELVES WITH MAPLE SYRUP but clearly you were too snoozy to realise the awesomeness of both these propositions. i enjoyed bookshp and want more chances to hang out. come to listening session on thursday!

-- sean gramophone, Monday, April 14, 2008 8:51 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i know i felt like a real chump for missing it! was so hungover, when nico called i was still in bed and could not move. i wish i'd gone :(

the only thing that didn't taste good with maple syrup were the sticks of celery.

john - hi! yes i moved to scotland 2004-2007 but i am back in montreal now.

hi sean! i am also in mtl
and i also went to a cabane a sucre! but not this wkend, a couple wkends ago. and i put maple syrup on EVERYTHING aw yeah

Let me know when you're in the city Sean; we should catch a show!

hi rrrobyn. i look forward to meeting you as i inevitably will.

john - that would be fun!

and now:

BACK TO THE CYLONS.

http://www.kropserkel.com/Images/centurionsilver2.jpg

THEY HAVE A PLAN

he looks so sad:-(

"I has a plan.....*sigh*"

http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/04/14/battlestar-galactica-interview-mark-verheiden-on-cylon-humanity-and-boomers-motives/

also interesting:

http://www.syfyportal.com/pagetogether.php?id=4887&page=1

Mark Verheiden's comic work suggested to me that he was a bad writer; his BG work confirmed it.

lol emo cylon
wait i don't remember any swords

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/tv/2008/04/last_nights_tv_battlestar_gala.html

Again, I've heard how much better BSG is than other sci-fi series, with the real tension and urgency of war. But it still looks like a video game to me. Hardly Saving Private Ryan, is it? So far, so unmoved, then.

GUH...it's set in space you clown so of course it will look like a video game (and why is that a problem these days?)

Wow, too many threads on the front page... time to bump another one!

Thumbs up for evil Cylon awakening! Who else felt like Cally really had it coming since the beginning?

man tory was COLD

Plan, schman. is the Stockwell not right, resurrecting the D'anna line and her/their messianic obsessions would be re-opening a whole can of Wormz, and that unlobotomized Raiders will be "more than you bargained for"? (Not that the faction Six speaks for will get a chance to see for themselves, if Stockwell wipes them out and their resurrection ship too.) And does Cally's death at that moment not almost seem like a mercy killing--I mean, look at her! Are we not seeing, more and more,thourgh Cylon eyes? Who is the Admiral sitting with at the very end??

Yeah, the airlock was pretty much Cally's only option, sadly.

is the Stockwell not right, resurrecting the D'anna line and her/their messianic obsessions would be re-opening a whole can of Worm

i think he was lying

oh wait nm

should have read closer

Anyone else see a familar constellation in the background of that Cylon basestar battle?

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7618/holyfrakxw6.jpg

just watched the new one

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wow i had to check that screen! is realz

28:26 into the ep

shame cally had to die after only just getting her best ever hairdo

that's Orion in the screengrab right?

Exactly - Orion's belt being the three stars that Starbuck sees near Earth.

So the Cylons are nearer to Earth than the fleet, I guess.

i was happy to see one of the nu-cylons actually doing something, it seems like all they've been up to is having stressed-out meetings

i like that now they're becoming more human. they've bitten the fruit from the tree.

I thought the episode was great. A fair bit happened at least. there will be hell of more stressed-out nu-clyon meetings in the next ep.

best episode of the season so far. which is surprising considering there was no Baltar.

what a great plan these cylons clearly do have

Baltar just weighs down episodes that aren't about him half the time.

i don't get why Helo and Gaeta are off on Starbuck's mission - thought they were key personnel. it's as if the writers have got nothing for them to do for a while.

i don't get why they're jumping around in that ship so often if jumping around is exactly what starbuck doesn't want to do. and i don't get why the temporary appropriation of a garbage scow is a hot-button political issue.

39,000 people left - how come still so many reporters?

i know, i was just thinking about that!

anything to get out of military service

Maybe they're all just bloggers.

seeing cylons blog is probably the logical next step for this show :/

"Orion's belt being the three stars"

d'oh! of course. i was going 'trinary system, eh? eh??'

i don't get why Helo and Gaeta are off on Starbuck's mission - thought they were key personnel. it's as if the writers have got nothing for them to do for a while.

Yeah, I think you nailed it. I mean, why else would they put on all those other pilots (like... uh... that chick who got promoted to pilot last season).

But complete fanwankery GO: Helo has been pretty good buds with Starbuck, though they don't get that much screentime together, it's been established. And Gaeta is still probably hated in the fleet anyway since most people saw him as a collaborator, and maybe Starbuck's trying to make up for that whole "whoopsy, almost killed you in that barely legal tribunal thing!" But also he has a ton of experience in navigation from being in the CIC.

39,000 people left - how come still so many reporters?

Halfway through the first season on DVD and wondering the same thing. There's no sign of a visual media or newspapers and 48k people, why is the Presidential Press Corps rolling 20 deep?

I think it gets explained in the first season actually. Weren't a whole bunch of reporters on Galactica for the de-commissioning? They never explain the whole medium (or how any sort of economy works in general), but I would presume that the weekly newsletter's get more important once the human race is down to 40K.

Yes, but each of them must report to unique news sources, right?

sam's there cuz he luv starbuck, gaeta's there cuz good w/ navigation (bit u+k), helo's there cuz he always gets sent on these shit jobs, sharon's there cuz helo, seelix (her?) rounds it out, possible cannon fodder.

Sam also there because of cylon-ness obv.

Wish Seelix still had her long hair.

Other Songs the Final Four Cylons Should Have Heard in Their Heads at the End of Season 3 Besides That Shitty Version of "All Along the Watchtower"

1. Kraftwerk "We Are the Robots"
2. Super Mario Bros themesong

3. Sex Machine