Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - Classic or Dud [spoilers]

'dave' was grebt. c'mon! that was the most worthless appearance by a rock star ina movie evah! there is something to that.

I haven't seen Dune, though, from what I've heard it's even worse.

Nah, it has its moments. Certainly more than Fire Walk With Me. And the set design is pure eye candy.

As Tuomas said it was unnecessary and incoherent. I didn't find LP trying to escape her doom affecting. The film detracted from the show to no good end - maybe all the stuff that ended up on the cutting floor would have given it more structure and elements of why I loved the show (the black humor for one) Reminded me too mcuh of the downward slide in Season 2.

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I like it hugely, and I was a big fan of the series. It works on the level that Laura Palmers' death polarised the town. After it Twin Peaks became focused and aware of itself, prior to that it was a mess of contradicitons and backs turned. I take the message of the series and film together to be something along the lines of "it takes a horrible and extreme event to expose latent evil". Or something. The soapyness of the series and the "waaaaaaa! mummy!"ness of the film get this across really well.

Apparently there is as much footage on the editing suite floor as ended up in the final cut. Most of the series' actors filmed scenes for it, you can get the shooting draft of the script here:-

http://inflow.org/scripts/fwwm.html

I was so glad the film was made, Laura Palmer was the most interesting character in the whole series, despite being absent. I don't think many pieces of art have broached the subject of how the victims of sexual violence deal with it, it's a bold story which suits its surreal structure and tone. The whole thing feels desperate and insane and mirrors Laura's psyche perfectly.

So the best scenes for me are the ones that show people desperately trying to keep up appearances in the midst of this utter insanity, the madman tailing Leland and Laura and screaming at them or Cooper's play with the CCTV.

The more I watched the film, the more I wanted Lynch to take on a Clive Barker book at some point. The little man / giant stuff fits into Barker so well, these things are neither Gods, aliens or whatever, they're just something other, so much like the beings in "Weaveworld" or "The Great and Secret Show". Lynch does "Weaveworld". Now there'd be a film. And a budget.

Um, yeah. Classic, classic, classic.

Major props to using Ligeti's Requia at the end sequence, which is still scary as hell.

People laughing at serious bits in films, especially films you really like, is very aggrevating to me. With Lynch, he was very inspired by 50s American melodramas, and a line like "Why are there people like Frank?" obviously is naive and bland, but it's also direct and sincere, and certainly the situation she's referring to is as upsetting as can be imagined. People are just laughing because they're uncomfortable... but I'd rather they be uncomfortable in silence.

Neither have I, though I did pick up the DVD cheap a few weeks back, so one day I'll actually watch the darn thing...

If you read the original shooting script you will see that much that seems "inexplicable" in the final cut is indeed explicated, in a quite turgid manner. For example David Bowie's appearance. I'm torn between wishing the entire script made it into the film (it would've been more than three hours long) and being glad it didn't. I get the feeling that the cut as it exists is not completely due to the studio imposing a two-hour running time on Lynch's company. I suspect that Lynch was tired of the overexplicit nature of the original screenplay and did something of a cut-and-paste to achieve the requisite level of incoherence.

Anyways. Jacques Rivette on this film:

I don't own a television, which is why I couldn't share Serge Daney's passion for TV series. And I took a long time to appreciate Lynch. In fact, I didn't really start until Blue Velvet (1986). With Isabella Rossellini's apartment, Lynch succeeded in creating the creepiest set in the history of cinema. And Twin Peaks, the Film is the craziest film in the history of cinema. I have no idea what happened, I have no idea what I saw, all I know is that I left the theater floating six feet above the ground. Only the first part of Lost Highway (1996) is as great. After which you get the idea, and by the last section I was one step ahead of the film, although it remained a powerful experience right up to the end.

And Jonathan Rosenbaum (who much admires Rivette) on this film:

The 1992 prequel to David Lynch and Mark Frost's famous but short-lived TV series, this deals with the events leading up to the murder of Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee) in a Pacific northwest town that suggests a somewhat funnier and kinkier version of Peyton Place. It has its moments, but not many, and generally speaking it runs neck and neck with Dune as the least successful and least interesting Lynch feature. The material, not much different from Jennifer Lynch's spin-off book The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer, involves a lot of heavy breathing about the evil that lurks in supposedly innocent small towns, with various intimations about sexual abuse. The surrealist conceits work better here than the orgies, and both suggest that Lynch was badly in need of both a rest and a change of pace. With Kyle MacLachlan as caffeine-addicted FBI agent Dale Cooper, Harry Dean Stanton, David Bowie, Chris Isaak, Moira Kelly, Ray Wise, and other weird types--though not, alas, Sherilyn Fenn, Russ Tamblyn, Richard Beymer, Joan Chen, Piper Laurie, Jack Nance, and others from the TV series. Robert Engels wrote the script with Lynch. 135 min.

I'm more with Rivette. I enjoy the film, tremendously at times. I couldn't disagree more with Rosenbaum about it and Dune being uninteresting. Unsuccessful, perhaps, but the failings of these films shed about as much light on Lynch's peculiarities of style as the more "successful" films like Mulholland Drive or Blue Velvet (the former being my least favorite Lynch feature, the latter being my favorite).

So, um, maybe classic, maybe dud.

This reminds me of an afternoon when I dozed off while listening to It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back. In my half-sleeping delerium I remember thinking to myself, "What a lovely, sweet record...."

Anyway, yeah, the boys told me that the end of Fire Walk with Me was fairly, um, dramatic. But I was snoring off in my own world (much like I did through Akira and some other movie last weekend. And, likely, much as I will do this weekend, while watching the original "Bedazzled" and um, whatever that new anime is that everyone is raving about).

Just watched it, did little for me except creep me out in an uninteresting way. I'm also fresh from watching the TV series for the first time, and through it all I always felt that the brunt of its appeal was in Coop, and that in the end it was his story, not Laura's. So what scenes that had him in it are classic, everything else I didn't care for.

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Don't make us wait!

PRESS RELEASE

TWIN PEAKS, FIRE WALK WITH ME
ON DVD DECEMBER 8TH MK2 EDITIONS

Since May 2002, fans from all over the world have been asking us to edit the original cut scenes from “Twin Peaks – Fire Walk With Me.”

As early as 2002, New Line, the American editor of the DVD, had tried to include these cut excerpts into its edition, but had been forced to give up for financial reasons.

We have tried several times to contact David Lynch and his associates to find a technical and financial solution to the problem.

We had thus stopped exporting the film worldwide in 2002 and 2003, and had delayed the French editing of the DVD.

Despite a few sporadic contacts, mail without answers and missing appointment on David Lynch’s side has made us take the decision not to deprive the French audience anymore from this major film that is also an important work in David Lynch’s filmography.

The DVD, to be released on December 8th 2004 in France, will thus be edited with as much care as any of the other MK2 products, but these cut scenes will unfortunately be missing.

We still hope – as all David Lynch fans worldwide do – to have these cut scenes included in a future version of the DVD, but this responsibility and willingness has to be shared by David Lynch himself.

MK2 Editions

(FWMM = classic btw. Scary, funny and very moving all at the same time; I blub like a baby at the end, every time.)

yes lauren, what is "iphigenia at aulis"?

agamemnon = leland
iphigenia = laura
poseidon = BOB

???

i never doubted it adam!

(bonus points to those who guess which of these i have *two* copies of)

(argh, xpost)

I had two copies of the access guide for a while.

also great

I also have the book of "critical approaches to Twin Peaks". Has anybody else read that?

so is it incest week on ILX?

huh? i must've missed this. (not that i don't own the soundtrack you doubtas)

i like the part in the cooper diaries about his wild hippie fling with the girl from bryn mawr

Leo's main character motivation: cleanliness

***SPOILER ALERT****

Diane was the name of Spcl Agnt Cooper's microcassette recorder

**** END SPOILER ALERT****

I REALLY didn't know that.

i subscribed to the twin peaks gazette or whatever it was called. wrote letters to viacom and the show's commerical sponsors when it was threatened with cancellation. i also belonged to a twin peaks discussion group (i was 13). we shared donuts and coffee and rented out the rec room in a crappy hotel in deerfield to watch the finale.

XPOST

but gygax that doesn't make any sense re. diane. doesn't he request that she get him files and photocopy stuff etc. ?!?!

i still haven't got around to my theory.

I remember reading the Diary of Laura Palmer when it came out, I was like 11 or 12, tops! I actually had no idea what masturbation was until it was described in that book. What a weird way to learn things like that.

I've been to the diner and to the lodge/waterfall area that was used in the opening credits as Ben Horne's place--I used to live there, very briefly.

No, I'm pretty sure not. I've rewatched the series more than a few times knowing this and it's always pretty funny (knowing, that is).

Audrey Horne, when her perm grew out and she had the long hair... I mean really.

Allyzay = Snoqualmie Falls. I had a girlfriend who was from near there.

xpost-no!

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(gah blinded by lara flynn boyle eek)

adam clearly likes women to serve him. misogynist!

What about Billy Zane and David Duchovny?

thankfully lynch just got her out of the way in the last episode (or made her comatose, at least)

xxpost

xpost

n. Informal

A blunder or an error.

Sorry, I am still learning these funny American terms.

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And when Nadine thought she was a teenager?

james sent a postcard from SF?
That weird final scene with ben horne?
What happened to Ed and Nadine? Bobby and Shelley?

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yeah, that's a fucking amazing piece of cinema.

lynch didn't even bother keeping continuity with the previous episode.... there are lots of plot points left hanging, apparent contradictions, etc. this all leads up to my theory abt the movie btw.

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yes

though he is not the same kid as the "grandson" of the old woman served by donna in the "meals on wheels" program

OMG NOW I KNOW WHERE ALL THOSE BRAIN CELLS I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND HAVE GONE

i have the mulholland drive TV pilot (poor quality) if you're interested in a burn.

g!-PLEASE

YES OMG I AM SO LAME

P.S. ts: lara flynn boyle vs. moira kelly

anyone ever get a signed one?

Did anyone else watch that made for TV film with her and Sheryl Lee where Sheryl Lee killed her husband or something? That was great! cinnamon brown!

externals in snoqualmie washington. internals in los angeles.

OTM

XPOST

No sherilynn fenn this year, she cancelled. Like she has anything better to do!

Adam I have that.

xpost-haha!

Anyway, I saw the entire run of Twin Peaks within a span of two weeks in August 2000, while I was unemployed and staying at my parents' house before moving to Chicago. I then spent the next month (at least) completely obsessed with the show.

I bought the Secret Diary at a library book sale for $1.00.

I also read the "Critical Approaches" book, but I don't remember much of it.

I'm going to have a cup of damn fine coffee and a slice of pie.

you mean "Good Morning America"?

One significant day in my life

By David Lynch

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Jane - May, 2004

A significant event occurred in my life the day I learned that our human physiology, our body, is made of consciousness.

Consciousness???

"What???" I asked out loud in wonder.

I learned that our human physiology is so magnificent and complex, and so exquisite in its design and makeup, as to be wondrous beyond imagination. We are spun out of unbounded, infinite, eternal consciousness.

I learned that underlying all matter is a vast, unbounded, infinite and eternal field of consciousness called the Unified Field. I found out that modern science started taking this field seriously about 25 years ago and that all matter is unified at this level in a state of perfect symmetry, or balance. The entire universe emerges from this field in a process called "spontaneous sequential symmetry breaking."

Are you still with me?

I also learned that there is another science called Vedic Science. This Vedic Science is ancient, and it has always talked of the Unified Field.

Interesting!

Veda, I learned, means "total knowledge." The home of total knowledge is the Unified Field. It is also the home of all the laws of nature. The branches of Veda, 40 in total, make up the language of the Unified Field, the impulses of this eternal field.

I realized this Unified Field is quite an interesting place. It is not manifest and is full, meaning it is no thing, yet all things in potential. It manifests and permeates all things: the whole universe, everything, while still remaining full and not manifest.

Amazing!

Is this mind-boggling or what?

Now comes the hippest part. I have learned that any human being can "experience" the Unified Field.

Really?

Or: So what?

Why in the world would we care to experience the Unified Field?

First, another question.

Have you ever heard that most of us human beings use only 5 percent of our brain, our mind? Have you ever wondered what in the heck the other 95 percent is all about?

This is the beautiful part coming up.

The "experience" of the Unified Field actually unfolds "enlightenment"-higher states of consciousness culminating in Unity Consciousness, the highest state of consciousness. These higher states use that 95 percent of the brain. That is what the 95 percent is there for-to give us permanent, all-time enlightenment.

Now, what is enlightenment? If you were a lightbulb, let's say, your "glow" might light up your whole house and surrounding yard. In enlightenment, your "glow" would be unbounded, infinite and eternal. That would be some glow!

Enlightenment is fulfillment. Supreme fulfillment. Unbounded, infinite, eternal bliss, consciousness, intelligence, creativity, harmony, dynamic peace.

Enlightenment, I have learned, is our "full potential." It is the birthright of every human being to enjoy enlightenment.

Is this good news? I think it is such good news.

In Vedic Science, the Unified Field is called "Atma." Translated, that is "Self"-the Self of us all.

The Unified Field is not something foreign, or even something far away. It is right within each of us at the base of our mind, the source of thought. A great sage from the Himalayas, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, brought a beautiful gift to our world in the form of Transcendental Meditation. Transcendental Meditation is an easy and effortless, yet supremely profound, technique that allows any human to dive within and experience that unbounded ocean of pure bliss, pure consciousness. the Unified Field, our Self.

It may be interesting for you to know that millions of people are practicing Transcendental Meditation all around the world. People from all religions, and all walks of life. Over 600 studies have been done in universities and research institutes validating the profound benefits of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Program.

Having this kind of knowledge and technologies of consciousness available to us in this age is, in my mind, a significant event. Yet the "experience" of that Unified Field is the most significant event, because it unfolds what we truly are-totality.

David's movies'inciude Eraserhead, Dune, Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive. He is looking forward to Creating World Peace Day, to be held mid-September at the Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa (www.mum.edu).

"i'm as blank as a fart."

The only, only reason why FWWM might now be as good as the TV show is that the little boy who hangs out with his grandma is not the same actor they used in the TV series. In the TV show, the boy was obviously Lynch's grandson or something because he looked exactly like a child version of Lynch. It made me giggle like crazy.

Actually, I should point out this rumour appears to be of the "overheard conversation at lunch" variety and thus far from confirmed, but speculating is always fun.

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/642/642262p1.html

this show fucking rules!!! great thread!!!

i also like how the show incorporates UFO mythology (Major Briggs' 'abduction', the whole Project Blue Book thing, flashing lights, etc.) in a similar way as John Keel's 'the Mothman Prophecies' or Whitley Strieber's 'Communion', by putting it within a more occult/esoteric/mystic perspective rather than the usual science fictional approach. Even to go as fat s appropriating the owl imagery from Communion.

Even going

Even to go as far as appropriating the owl imagery from 'Communion'.

The show had a very keen understanding of occult/dream 'logic'.

its ok because HE BOFFS SUPERMODELS. old supermodels, yes.

just rewatched FWWM for the first time in ages. i remember being disappointed with the movie initially because i felt it trying to explain away some of the show's mysteriousness. or something. for instance: oh i see. they're all complete coke heads! but, rewatching it, i noticed something about the coke. there's the scene near the end. laura is doing giant rails of coke and the camera pulls back and she's in bed. doing rails to go to bed! doesn't make sense. but it's the night where she sees her dad rather than bob "having her." meanwhile, her mom, who has just been gently forced by leland to drink something it's safe to assume is drugged, is having restless sleep and visions of a white horse or whatever. it's safe to assume that leland has been drugging his wife and laura for years ("he's been having me since i was 12" laura told her therapist). by doing the rails of coke, laura was able to counteract the drugs and see her dad. it's this kind of explaining-away of things that i initially didn't like about the film, but i've made peace with that i think, because ultimitely it still doesn't even begin to explain the other dimmension death cult or whatever it is. i've just written way too much about this. again. sheesh.

OMG!!!!

AMATEURIST.

Despite awful moments, his second best of the nineties.

Kinda think it's his second best period.

what's your first?

Either Mulholland Drive or Inland Empire, depending on which side of the bed I woke up on.

now i want to know what alfred thinks is his first-best of this period.

The Straight Story!

his creepiest film

haha i always forget the straight story came out in the '90s tbh.

i have still never seen fwwm.

every time I watch it I go from "lol what the hell is this mess" to terrified and crying by the end of it

Sheryl Lee is almost as heartbreaking as Naomi Watts.

fwwm is great. so is wild at heart. the rest of you can go suck it fwiw imho

too many acronyms to worry about

this is one weird-ass movie so far

i keep waiting for large marge or some other pee-wee character to show up

The first half hour is fun but rather pointless cept for Keefer blinking blankly at the waitress ("You wanna hear the specials? We have none"). And Bowie in a Magnum P.I. shirt.

i rented this when i was like thirteen and it really freaked me out

My first Lynch movie -- I was eighteen. Lots of scenes in this movie are at that level.

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Yes. Love the scene in that barn-club with the drugged-out neo-rockabilly band playing like Dwight Yoakam produced by Brian Eno.

Uh, that NME link didn't go where I wanted it to.

1. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

okay well this got unnerving real quick didn't it

jess I love how you just sat down and let the thing unfurl so quickly

haha well i saw it was all on youtube so i said why noy. then about 40 mins in i noticed ot was missing part 12 of 13 so i gotta wait for netflix to send it to me.

where did you stop

special agent gene krupa was jawing with harry dean, so i assume i haven't even gotten to the goods yet

Wait till Special Agent Chick Corea transforms into a blue rose.

("You wanna hear the specials? We have none")

"Those drugs are LEGAL." Love the waitress.

The sound design is also astonishing in FWWM.

Alfred OTM about the Mulholland Dr comparison. In a lot of ways I think FWWM is a truer predecessor to that movie (& most def Inland Empire) than Lost Highway

LH is a monstrosity. I've tried to like it. Everything about the movie is wrong: the casting, pace, ideas. Well, the soundtrack is okay, but it's the first time he yielded to contemporary trends.

Full disclosure: I've yet to see Lost Highway. I know it had the body-switching thing that MD used to great effect, though, and for that reason, critics tend to paint a straight line between the two.

lh is pretty damn bad.

there's something bullying about it (and wild at heart) that makes me understand (almost) why people find him grotesque

guess he thought that, well, hey, Dean Stockwell was funny-frightening in makeup -- let me repeat the joke with Robert Blake, for whose work he probably paid $56.

pullman's saxophone o-face is almost enough to make me have some affection for it

wild at heart is the only one i dislike but i really dislike. srsly spent the whole movie wishing everyone would quit yelling.

i feel the same way re wild at heart, it's awful.

Lost Highway is obviously not perfect but it has some (thrillingly) terrifying scenes - robert blake asking pullman to call him is unfuckwithable and the gory flashbacks to arquette's death are genuinely shocking.

this movie is fucking awesome. it's probably the weirdest feature he made between eraserhead and inland empire.

wild at heart is pretty hard to take, i agree.

the only thing that bugs me about wild at heart is the seemingly interminable sex scenes btwn cage, dern. i think the rest is pretty great

i probably could do with trying lost highway again. thumbs up for the scenes jed mentioned, even if some of the rest of it is meh or doesn't quite work or a bit of a mess

LH is a monstrosity. I've tried to like it. Everything about the movie is wrong: the casting, pace, ideas. Well, the soundtrack is okay, but it's the first time he yielded to contemporary trends.

kind of agree with this tbh. it has moments and I think the underlying idea is a good one that finds more fully realized expression elsewhere in his ouevre. but yeah, Pullman, ugh. the Pryor sequence is sad and borderline offensive. most of the movie spends it's time running place.

there's something bullying about it (and wild at heart) that makes me understand (almost) why people find him grotesque

I was gonna say exploitative (specifically re: Pryor) but yeah this

feel like this alone justifies Wild at Heart's existence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEz-cwJxtu8

also Dafoe accidentally blowing his head off with a shotgun O_o.

FWWM is pretty disappointing imo.

i like lost highway, the phone scene is really cool, i became obsessed with it. just that it existed.

i loved lost highway when it came out because i was 19 and it was the first lynch i actually got to see in the theater and "share" with my nerdy film school friends in discussions and whatnot. but seeing it again a few years later, after mulholland drive, just nah.

I'm gone, James. Like a turkey in the corn.

I have still never seen this but it is showing in 35mm next month here:

http://www.92y.org/Tribeca/Event/Twin-Peaks.aspx

it's not that good

Well worth watching though.

it's awesome, go see it.

kinda funny that two of the biggest Cannes disasters ever (FWWM and Brown Bunny) are in my top 10 all-time.

Fact: the first Lynch film I saw.

my favorite film by david lynch

totally worth seeing

I saw it for the first time in the mid-90s and loved it. I'd have probably said it was my second or third favourite Lynch film, at least until Inland Empire came out.

Saw it again last year and it didn't strike me as anything like as impressive. The start and end are great but long swathes of it drag terribly. 100% worth watching, though.

A lot of terrible ideas in the movie, and in places no ideas at all.

lol that is a great description of it.

there are definitely things in it I like a lot.

Leland telling Laura to wash her hands before coming to the dinner table, for example

The dance at the club reminds me of every drunken standing around I've ever done in my life.

Also: Sheryl Lee gives one of the great unsung performances of the decade (Greil Marcus also a fan).

Lee is good. Moira Kelly struggled, though.

Saw this in a back-street in Brasov, Romania a few years ago:

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The first 30 minutes is probably my favorite 30 minute sequence of any film.

Even the knock-kneed harlequin girl eh

that bit is totally funny

only if you regard it as a parody of Lynch.

The first twenty minutes is heavy on self-parody but still manages to be incredibly unsettling.

that's what the rest of the movie is for

Keifer Sutherland blinking nerdily in the diner is a nice sight gag

kinda funny that two of the biggest Cannes disasters ever (FWWM and Brown Bunny) are in my top 10 all-time.

Sorry Matt, Fire Walk With Me is not eligible as one of the top 10 all-time Vincent Gallo films.

I saw it for the first time in the mid-90s and loved it. I'd have probably said it was my second or third favourite Lynch film, at least until Inland Empire came out.

Ditto. Until Mulholland and Inland came out, I thought of this one as my favorite Lynch.

i like the bit where someone gives her a picture of a door and she hangs it on her wall and then she gets out of bed at night and goes to her door and shes at the door in the picture looking into her room where she can see herself still sleeping. that bit is kickass.

also the bit with the chick whose dress is a code or something

i had totally forgotten that part (xp)

Sorry Matt, Fire Walk With Me is not eligible as one of the top 10 all-time Vincent Gallo films.

― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

If only there were 10 Vincent Gallo films :(

maybe if that gave him less time to think about them. Vastly preferred his last lead acting role in Essential Killing, where he didn't speak.

yeah God the first half hour or whatever with Chris Isaak is brilliant. didn't the TV show actors want a shitload of cash to appear they Lynch told em to stick it? or some of them at least.

yeah God the first half hour or whatever with Chris Isaak is brilliant. didn't the TV show actors want a shitload of cash to appear they Lynch told em to stick it? or some of them at least.

― piscesx, Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:48 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

No I think Flynn Boyle was the only holdout. Lynch shot scenes with pretty much every secondary actor on the show, almost all of which ended up being cut. Getting those scenes on a special edition has been an ordeal.

maybe if that gave him less time to think about them. Vastly preferred his last lead acting role in Essential Killing, where he didn't speak.

― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:09 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

For some reason I thought you liked Brown Bunny.

it's... not bad. 'Cept the ending.

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Judy?

No I think Flynn Boyle was the only holdout.

She just didn't want to do nude scenes, right?

yeah first half with coop is great, ending is great, bit of a drag in the middle, still better than wild at heart or inland empire to me, anyone even remotely interested in twin peaks should love it, I've seen it a dozen times.

^Sacrilige. Wild At Heart is his finest work and the best movie ever.

(And I do know how to spell sacrilege. ;)

wild at heart is good too. I dunno I like the twin peaks universe more though.

it's better than that thing with balthazar getty I can't remember the name of right now

Lost Highway. I really loved that one - much more than Mulholland Drive (which is essentially the same story).

Sherilynn Fenn: "(I) was extremely disappointed in the way the second season got off track. As far as Fire Walk with Me, it was something that I chose not to be a part of."

also McLachlan only wanted to play a small part, hence the introduction of Chester Desmond.

i'm amazed Chris Isaak wasn't a bigger star in the acting world as he had such a weird, brilliant alien quality. the very idea of Isaak as a tough-nut Fed who's kinda aloof and takes no shit but kinda charming with it, and Sutherland as a geeky scientist type is as winning a buddy-movie type double act as i've ever seen! on paper it sounds mental though. i guess that's why Lynch is a genius of sorts.

Sherilynn Fenn: "(I) was extremely disappointed in the way the second season got off track. As far as Fire Walk with Me, it was something that I chose not to be a part of."

also McLachlan only wanted to play a small part, hence the introduction of Chester Desmond.

― Number None, Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:30 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah I forgot about Fenn. I'm pretty sure literally every other major character filmed something though.

there's apparently a scene of Sheriff Truman serenading Josie Packard in the woods with his acoustic guitar.

Wow, impossible to find a picture of Chris Isaak as a clown hitman in ... Something Wild? Married to the Mob?

I'd love to see the supposed reams of unused material.

Audrey's dad didn't film anything either

yeah Married To The Mob. he was in a couple of Demme's films. there was a blink and you literally missed it cameo in '.. Lambs'.

http://static2.dmcdn.net/static/video/275/905/31509572:jpeg_preview_medium.jpg?20110518005127

tix for the Tribeca show going fast! (Fri sold out, w/ Dana Ashbrook Q&A)

so apparently Sheryl Lee will be a phone guest at my screening.

OMG awesome!

Lynch shot scenes with pretty much every secondary actor on the show, almost all of which ended up being cut.

The DVD has a great reunion documentary (edited together in a really funny and awesome and weird way) where they all talk about this. Apparently he was really nice and personally called everyone to tell them their bits had been cut, a courtesy which Hawk says "Just isn't done in this business".

This was somewhere between OK and pretty good.

Sheryl Lee just had nothing but good things to say about her collaboration w/ Lynch.

Ray Wise bothered me here and in the dries as an inadvertently (?) comic incarnation of evil.

and BOB looks like a roadie.

Not to unduly separate him from filmmakers I have a greater (Hitchcock, Lang) and lesser (De Palma) regard for, but DL is kind of a fucked-up misogynist.

Ray Wise bothered me here and in the *series*

so did the series deal in some way with Bobby having killed a drug dealer?

re Blue Velvet:

and a line like "Why are there people like Frank?" obviously is naive and bland, but it's also direct and sincere, and certainly the situation she's referring to is as upsetting as can be imagined. People are just laughing because they're uncomfortable...

She? My recollection is that this is Kyle Mac's line, and it was funny bcz he hadn't learned to act yet.

The DVD has a great reunion documentary (edited together in a really funny and awesome and weird way) where they all talk about this. Apparently he was really nice and personally called everyone to tell them their bits had been cut, a courtesy which Hawk says "Just isn't done in this business".

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:54 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this doc was incredible

so did the series deal in some way with Bobby having killed a drug dealer?
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, March 2, 2012 8:27 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah drug dealer dude decomposed in the forest unnoticed.

One thing that kind of bothered me in the movie was the stuff with Laura's diary and the torn out pages that implicated Leland/BOB, but apparently they were going to deal with those pages if Season 3 had happened.

Uuuuggghhh stop reviving this thread if it doesn't relate to the impending availability of the deleted scenes in one form or another!

I'm still crossing my fingers in anticipation of a Lemon Yellow Set...

I think we've seen just the right amount of TP there needs to be.

"we've"

yep, speaking on behalf of everyone as we all do implicitly

and BOB looks like a roadie.

the Bob thing works because Bob's not a scary looking guy, he's just a guy. any guy at all. it just happened to be that (non) actor as the result of a fluke.

oh no, he's definitely scary looking

i don't see "roadie" and "scary" as being mutually exclusive

Yep, Bob just looks like any old guy at all

http://weeklycoitus.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/old-man.jpg

"Catch you...with my colostomy bag!"

he doesn't look like every guy but he looks like just a guy. not a scary guy. a guy guy.

a ROADIE.

not really. he makes creepy faces all the time. that is not necessarily in a roadie's job description.

his ordinariness may be part of the horror, right? Just some dude who lives over a convenience store who happened to turn into a demon.

I didn't really 'get' the Bowie camera thing, or the bullshit with the ring.

on another T.P. thread we discuss this -- the scenes are remnants of a much longer screenplay that explained (somewhat tediously) all that stuff. lynch had to cut a lot of scenes to make the film a manageable length, and in doing so he seems to have deliberately rendered much of the film incoherent.

the full script is/was available online somewhere, damned if i remember where though.

lynch had to cut a lot of scenes to make the film a manageable length, and in doing so he seems to have deliberately rendered much of the film incoherent.

After watching the deleted scenes in the Lime Green set, this is now my exact impression of Wild At Heart. So many of the baffling things in that movie are explained relatively clearly with the context of those deleted scenes, and the entire effort seems to have been in the service of making the film more (airquotes) "Lynchian". Like he was putting in an excess of effort in trying to live up to his own style/hype. The finished film feels a lot more flimsy to me now, although it never was one of my favorites of his.

That said, he made it work with TP:FWWM. The strange and unexplained scenes feel much more authentically (airquoteless) Lynchian.

the script doesn't really explain Bowie's character though. I think Bowie's character and "Judy" are showing that there is this other world inhabited by BOB et al. and that it's fucking terrifying and Chet Desmond is now stuck there.

IIRC there's only one other scene with bowie's character in the script and it involves him teleporting to Cairo or something and setting a room on fire.

FWWM, Lost Highway and Wild at Heart were all made with the contractual obligation to keep the films at most 2 hours and 15 minutes in length. With LH and WaH I think it led to the films being too long and FWWM ended up too short.

the script doesn't really explain Bowie's character though. I think Bowie's character and "Judy" are showing that there is this other world inhabited by BOB et al. and that it's fucking terrifying and Chet Desmond is now stuck there.

― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well it doesn't exactly "explain" it but it does at least place it into some context IIRC.

they showed a really knackered looking print at the BFI Lynch fest supposedly, which i find astonishing for such a relativley recent film. The copy they had of Lost Highway had *French subtitles*!

^very commonplace if it's not a beloved blockbuster

FWWM ended up too short

oh, never

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liblxiuc541qzyllfo1_500.jpg

^this

would look nice on yr wall

That reminds me of something I've searched the internet for over the years. In "Inland Empire" when they are in Poland around the dinner table there is some painting of an arm holding a candle on the wall. I've been looking for the artist or title for years with no luck.

i would imagine it's a lynch painting or photo of his that looks like a painting but i can only vaguely remember it.

Yeah I think it's at around 2 minutes in on this clip, but the low resolution makes it pretty much impossible to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9_O5wK6yOk&feature=related

they showed a really knackered looking print at the BFI Lynch fest supposedly, which i find astonishing for such a relativley recent film. The copy they had of Lost Highway had *French subtitles*!

― piscesx, Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:02 AM (20 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

copyright holders in both cases are french companies (canal+?) and they must not have been able to wrangle new prints out of 'em. i'm sure good elements exist in both cases; the french are generally good at this.

i have seen some late-90s central asian films that look like release prints from the 1930s.

http://www.copronason.com/tpreview2/images/shag.jpg

http://www.copronason.com/tpreview2/images/ryan_heshka_voice_of_love.jpg

Plenty more for those who know shit from shinola: http://www.copronason.com/tpreview2/index.html#20

Forgot how terrifying this shit is

lynch can make the blood run cold like few others

scene w/ mike screaming at leland from his truck induces legit panic attack

https://38.media.tumblr.com/e3d27132d35cf63d1a53a6a77f8e2684/tumblr_nczmy8oQgv1snmmclo1_500.gif

That one was ok

Anything in bedrooms destroyed me. Im a mess rn

What's Lynch's most terrifying scene over all? I think I may go with the video cammed scenes of Patricia Arquette's mutilated body in Lost Highway or the "call me" party scene from the same film.

Darragh, did you watch the theatrical version or the extended fan-cut of this?

amazingly, it might be one of the scenes from the network television show he created! the two murder scenes in s2, bob climbing over the couch, the laura palmer doppelganger screaming in the last episode...

then again the first time I watched mullholland dr the diner scene got me good

I really love fwwm: the missing pieces, the feature film that david lynch edited from deleted fwwm scenes, but I'm turned off by the idea of watching a version of fwwm where some nerd has inserted them back in. Especially once laura's story gets going, I think the decision not to cut keep cutting away to big ed and pete is a good one, however great those scenes are

cut

Oh yeah the man behind winky' scene. That's probably the most terrifying thing he did.

I understand where you're coming from wins although I'm going to watch it regardless.

What's Lynch's most terrifying scene over all?

Either Maddy's death or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A7ksKLqvpQ

I guess the theatrical, jed?

Bob couch prob the worst scene, my god

Old lunch otm

The most amazing thing is the in-camera(ness) - excuse my lack of vocabulary - of what he achieves. Even something as simple as the v close up camera shifting in and out of focus as they prize up Teresa's nail to find the typed letter hidden under there but it reaches a kind of sublime in the backwards scenes of the man from the red room with Bob and the guy in the blank misshapen punted nose mask jumping up and down backwards shrouded in smoke. I'm watching the fan edit (for shame) but that scene is extremely extended in that version and unlike anything I've ever seen in film, truly. Pretty sure it's not all in the theatrical cut anyway. It is uniquely terrifying and inspiring. Terrifyingly beautiful.

There's a little boy in the scene and he has the same misshapen pointed nose mask as the guy with the flat top Afro and he moves the mask back and forward to uncover his face and when he does it one time it's the face of a real white haired monkey. Then the boy points to Bob and says "fell a victim" backwards. Shudder.

The same monkey we see later in the film who (if you turn the volume pretty much all the way up) you hear whisper 'Judy' (presumably the Judy that Phillip Jeffries is ranting about earlier). Freaked my shit out the first time I caught that.

https://vimeo.com/151489812

bob over the couch scared the shit out of me.

lynch the master of creepy in twin peaks in general tho. like even the repetitive static shot of the damn ceiling fan in the palmer's house is fucking chilling.

Like everyone else, I've been revisiting TP and finally reached the end with this movie. Hadn't seen it since I saw it at the cinema upon its first release: my overwhelming memory was of it being perhaps the scariest movie Lynch had ever made. That might've been the impact of watching it on a big screen - this time round, I was much more frequently ambushed by unexpected emotion, particularly during the final scene of Laura laughing hysterically and being comforted by Cooper; as the 'last' moment in TP (until the revival, obv) it seemed to emphasise the tragedy at the heart of the story, just what a short, horrible life that Laura Palmer had. A more 'realistic', straight-forward telling of the same story would not have anything like the same power, I don't think, so the film acts as justification and celebration of Lynch's obscurantism and allusiveness. Underneath it all, he's an incredibly 'warm' director who seems very heavily invested in his characters.

So, onto the new series.

Underneath it all, he's an incredibly 'warm' director who seems very heavily invested in his characters.

v. otm

I think we've seen just the right amount of TP there needs to be.

― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, March 2, 2012

well little did i know

So, onto the new series.

― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 09:32 Bookmark

do watch the missing pieces if you havent - it's sort of obscene and certainly unfair how the new series directly and explicitly builds on scenes from it

Thanks for the tip r/t/c, funnily enough I'd been checking out the wiki entry on FWWM and at the end it says

Lynch has recently stated that "'Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me' is very important to understanding (the revival)"

So, onto the Missing Pieces

the missing pieces is like... seven times more important to understanding the revival than fwwm on its own imo

i guess no one wants to be That Guy sternly prescribing some supposed offcuts from 1992 but tmp honestly does exist more plausibly as the anciently prerecorded first episodes of 2017 (not just in terms of plot/backstory but tonally also)

I think if you haven't seen the palmer family interview in "between two worlds" you're practically going in blind

serious question: why do ppl need to "understand" TP? It's not Agatha Christie.

otm

serious question: why do ppl need to "understand" TP? It's not Agatha Christie.

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 21:51 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

because if you watch it as a horror mystery comedy with soap elements, it's about a third as interesting

Nothing about the revival makes any sense until you've watched all of the Georgia Coffee commercials at least a few times.

Criterion now out.

Sheryl Lee:

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/5050-surrendering-logic-in-twin-peaks-fire-walk-with-me

Anyone seen the CC?

This 207-minute (!) podcast may be of interest:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/projectionbooth/2017/10/25/episode-346-fire-walk-with-me-redux-twin-peaks-the-return

I have the new Criterion edition and haven't had the chance to watch it yet. Saw FWWM in a theater in July before I had started The Return, so I'm stoked to watch it again.

and like I said in the Lynch poll redux, Inland Empire is seriously due for a sweet Criterion reissue. the DVD is out of print in the USA and the only available copies of it are $30+ Japanese blu-rays.

One scene sticks in my mind from when i (re)watched it a few months ago. Bobby is pissed at Laura but she just smiles at him until he crumbles, and sort of dance-walks backwards away from her with a goofy grin on his face. Left at that it would be a great scene, showing Laura's irresistible winning charm. What is strange though is that after Bobby starts dancing, almost everyone else in the scene seems to start dancing too, as though accidental victims of her powerful juju. It's subtle, mostly, I had to rewind a few times to be sure.

Lee and Ashbrook are both so good in that scene

the DVD is out of print in the USA and the only available copies of it are $30+ Japanese blu-rays

wow wtf

glad I bought it when I did I guess

yeah this is the one i bought recently. it's only $21 now. i haven't watched it yet in full but i did put it in my player to make sure it worked/didn't look like shit, & i know it was shot on miniDV & i haven't seen the movie since it came out, but it did look kinda ehhh, just based on looking at the opening title sequence. looks like a youtube rip

Just that opening sweep across the title - INLAND EMPIRE - shit was pixelated & grainy as fuck

the DVD is out of print in the USA and the only available copies of it are $30+ Japanese blu-rays

Great movie, but it looks like it cost less than that to shoot.

pre order is up

gotta link?

Ju-Ju-dy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1B5mmh5q14

So from that clip of Sheryl Lee it seems Lynch brings techniques from meditation to the way he directs actors.

I only had to time to watch "The Missing Pieces" before the CC went back to the library; I had forgotten how goddamn beautiful Chris Isaak was.

wait you didn’t rewatch the actual movie

later

the Bowie scenes in TMP didn't really convince me i know WTF is going on there.

also i had food poisoning last night and that's kinda the last film i wanna watch in that state.

Bobby discovering his coke was laxative, lol

the Bowie scenes in TMP didn't really convince me i know WTF is going on there.

Bowie and the convenience store scenes are key to season 3.

better go ahead and tell me

the scenes are referenced (and iirc actually replayed) - you'll get it, don't worry

they replay all the relevant parts

whoops, sorry Οὖτις, my skimming is not so good today

for lack of anything better to do last night my wife and I started in on the original series again (w the intention of watching everything up through the Return) and I had two thoughts about the pilot:
1) Dana Ashbrook (w Grace Zabriskie a close second) totally nails the generally disconcerting/unpredictable vibe of the show right out the gate. he is great in every scene, always throwing in some weird nuance/mannerism/delivery that elevates the material
2) I lol'd when Cooper closes a scene at the PD with "Diane I am holding in my hand a box of chocolate bunnies"

The callback to the bunnies in The Return was so brilliant. Like, the way the show pauses to make you consider, does this mean something? Then quickly dismisses the idea.

Cooper is also strangely supercilious in some of his first scenes. He positively revels in grilling Bobby and Donna, he openly mocks them for no real reason, it comes off as almost cruel. These qualities seem to evaporate from his character as the show goes on. Or, at least, when they do pop up he more skillfully deploys them against people that deserve it.

It's a bit out of character, but maybe he sensed there was something there beyond Laura's death. After all, Bobby had just recently murdered his drug connect.

Shakey Mo, please try to keep it to the OG thread (c/d iirc) for posterity plz.

ah sorry

Yeah, Coop's mocking "You didn't love her anyway" really surprised me the last time I watched it

The callback to the bunnies in The Return was so brilliant. Like, the way the show pauses to make you consider, does this mean something? Then quickly dismisses the idea.

then unexpectedly comes back to them in the end, in an oblique and quite creepy way

i forgot bobby killed a guy. that's a lot of stuff between that and s03 bobby.

Bobby killed a guy is one of the bits that comes back in s3!

Although we prob shouldn't post spoilers itt, sorry

Wasn't the guy Bobby killed pulling a gun on him? I'd call that more self-defense by Bobby than murder

i love that whole scene, where bobby is just so fucked up over having shot a guy, and laura can't stop laughing

really enriches bobby's scene with jacoby in the first season

do those of you who’ve seen the missing pieces watch it for pleasure or is it mostly valuable for context? Do you rewatch it? still dithering on getting the CC of FWWM, which I already have on dvd and rarely watch

i don't really ever watch it on its own, just after fwwm, but in that case yes i've watched it for pleasure several times

two by four!

I love it and have rewatched it but I've also watched fwwm more times than is perhaps healthy so I should maybe recuse myself

But cmon you need that fight scene in your life

I’m going to assume you’re talking about a fight with two by fours and that Pete’s “two by fours, four by eights. Two by fours, four by eights” in the pilot is him inventorying his arsenal

The stairs/fan scene should have been in the film.

Yeah, that and the scene at the Hayward place are the two that really feel like "missing pieces" insofar as they feel like they belong to the other film. Maybe the palmer dinner scene too as it provides a contrast to the later (wash your hands) scene

yeah i love the happy palmers. makes everything much sadder. would've probably felt excessive in the film itself though

i love that whole scene, where bobby is just so fucked up over having shot a guy, and laura can't stop laughing

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 2 December 2017 17:54 (two days ago) Permalink

really enriches bobby's scene with jacoby in the first season

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 2 December 2017 17:55 (two days ago) Permalink

idk why, but having to piece together an explanation from events witnessed out of chronological sequence seems to add to the emotional richness

any reports from the boxset people? i'm a jerk and a half but if the BTS stuff is good (and why wouldn't it be, since built to spill were once capable of transcendence on a good night, although i've also seen them on a night where i almost fell asleep - indie dad joke) i definitely want to track down the good bits on this here internet

They played a great set at the Road House

i feel like Twin Peaks would be a MAJOR market for Built to Spill

RIP Pamela Gidley (Teresa Banks). Small role, but she gave a really striking performance

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pamela-gidley-dies-twin-peaks-141938829.html

glad to see a lot of places picking the news up, she was a very good actor and an equally decent person.

Watched this for I guess the 3rd time tonight, this time with my kids — we just finished the first two seasons (skipping most of the back half of season 2, except for the final episode). There were points in the movie where I wondered if it was too much for them, they're 16 and 12, but they're pretty invested in seeing the whole Twin Peaks universe. They were definitely scared and upset by stuff in the movie that is scary and upsetting, but they were also just kind of mesmerized by the whole thing. It is a trip. Really the darkest single thing he's ever done.

Also, I knew its reputation had improved over the years, but it's pretty striking to look at Metacritic — reviews range from 100 to 0, in an almost perfect reverse chronological order. https://www.metacritic.com/movie/twin-peaks-fire-walk-with-me/critic-reviews

I really want to watch TP with my kid, but she’s 11 and it is not yet time. Maddy’s death would be Too Much. Maybe another year or two. It will be a while before she can handle FWWM though. I saw it totally alone in a theater when I was 16 and it stunned me.

Every time I see it I like it more and i’m glad its reputation has turned around. Is it Lynch’s scariest movie? The evil in it feels real in a way that he usually doesn’t manage or try for.

It's pretty scary! And in really visceral and upsetting ways. My kids like horror movies and have seen Halloween, Friday the 13th, The Thing, Scream. But none of those feel like FWWM, the conventions of the genres and the stories give more distance. FWWM forces you to feel Laura's desperation and horror, it doesn't give you much distance.

A dad rapes and kills his daughter, the main character of the show/movie--it's definitely the darkest thing he's done. Cow OTM about the evil being "real" in a way that Inland Empire or even Mulholland Drive isn't.

R.I.P. Jacques Renault. I hope they put "I am as blank as a fart" on his headstone.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2021/04/07/walter-olkewicz-dies-twin-peaks-actor-starred-jacques-renault/7133539002/

Watching this for the first time since seeing The Return three times, which kinda reset my brain on how to understand time and suchlike. Harry Dean Stanton is surely a different character? They both run (different) trailer parks but are very different in personality. Dammit I had other more important thoughts I forget, something about seperating the young Lynch kid (Tremond? grandchild or something) from the Jumping Man, but what I've mainly learnt these years is to not concentrate on any sort of plot, it's all thematically and visually connected, I suppose that big spurious blog you were all praising might agree but fuck all nonsense except Lynch nonsense. If he draws 6 from his jar tomorrow I think the universe will have aligned

I'd never heard this song til the other day and didn't know that what I thought of as just an oddball Twin Peaks line — immortalized by Laura's "gobble gobble" — was a reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2yd3DRhAI0

Which in turn comes from this: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5758/