Kiss Me Deadly is pretty terrific, possibly my favourite. I saw The Postman Always Rings Twice last night - great but not as great as the novel.
What is that Robert Mitchum as an ambulnce man falling for Jean Simmons? That was pretty amazing as well.
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Thursday, 8 April 2004 08:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 8 April 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Baravelli. (Jake Proudlock), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:41 (twenty years ago) link
― sgs (sgs), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:54 (twenty years ago) link
Raymond Chandler, who scripted it and changed the story a great deal, wrote to Cain that the dialogue in the book wouldn't play onscreen as written, putting his finger, in my opinion, on why "Postman" had been somewhat two-dimensional: the film had been too faithful.
― Baravelli. (Jake Proudlock), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:07 (twenty years ago) link
I was amused to find out that the 1946 Postman was already the third adaptation, one of them being a foundation-stone of Italian Neo-realism.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:09 (twenty years ago) link
― sgs (sgs), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:12 (twenty years ago) link
― cuspidorian (cuspidorian), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Amos, Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:46 (twenty years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago) link
― lucas (lucas), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:01 (twenty years ago) link
Fred MacMurray playing SATAN in 'the Apartment' is even weirder.
'Gilda' to thread!
― Clubber Langston (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:10 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago) link
I got Sam Fuller's Pickup on South Street today. Looks noiry.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus, Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
the big sleepthe third manstrangers on a train
outside of the definition i have to include
rififile cercle rougechinatown (my favorite noir, period.)the long goodbye
― todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus, Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:00 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:36 (twenty years ago) link
― udu wudu (udu wudu), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link
I especially recommend the Anthony Mann triple-threat of T-Men, Raw Deal, and He Walked By Night
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago) link
― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago) link
― claudja, Friday, 9 April 2004 19:46 (twenty years ago) link
― fcussen (Burger), Friday, 9 April 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link
― metfigga (metfigga), Friday, 9 April 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus, Friday, 9 April 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago) link
French - Bob le Flambeur Band of Outsiders
― webcrack (music=crack), Friday, 9 April 2004 20:58 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus, Friday, 9 April 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 April 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Saturday, 10 April 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link
I think the first noir was "Stranger on the Third Floor," 1940, RKO.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 10 April 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 10 May 2004 02:37 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Monday, 10 May 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Amos, Monday, 10 May 2004 07:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 10 May 2004 11:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― frankiemachine, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
In any case, frankiemachine, I would have thought you would have mentioned The Man With The Golden Arm, although I guess that's not a noir per se.
― Redd Temple Player (Two Headed Dogg) (Ken L), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― dont stop go, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link
common '50s noir police descrip: "white American male"
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
Brick was a more accurate translation of just about every Raymond Chandler book I've read then any Film Noir I've seen, including say, The Big Sleep or Murder, My Sweet.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm such a dumbass for only now realizing it refers to the shadows in the film.
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― David Orton (scarlet), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link
How? Be specific. Give examples.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link
(though similarly, my favorite Hammett adaptation is Miller's Crossing)
Anyone seen The Girl in Lover's Lane? I watched it as an MST3K episode, but it seemed like a really successful small town noir.
― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― JTS (JTS), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh yeah, I saw that on TCM last year during the Mitchum festival.-- Sons Of The Redd Desert
Actually, I haven't seen that one, but it looks pretty good. I was talking about Angel Face, which is mentioned in the very first post of this thread.
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link
- House Of Bamboo (Robert Stack & Robert Ryan in post-WWII gangster Tokyo. Sam Fuller directs)- Scandal Sheet- Nightmare Alley (Tyrone Power as a carny mentalist)
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link
I found the dialogue in Brick, like Millers Crossing, totally stylized in a way similar to the books, they also shared the protaganist as punching bag cliche so common in the books. There was just something about the way the lead in Brick kept being knocked out, then seeing just a hint of light, then passing out again, then waking up somewhere else, then getting beat up, that to me represented the feeling I get from the Chandler books. Murder, My Sweat is one vintage noir that does this, of course, with it's expressionistic passing out sequence. The complicated plot that really doesn't matter so much, crime lords and their henchmen, the playing of sides against each other. All classic pulp fiction/film noir things.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
"I’d hate to think of your having a smashed fender or something while you’re not, uh, fully covered."
It's still amazing that they could get away with some of this stuff considering the times.
Neo-noir can also be fab.
― salexander (salexander), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:10 (seventeen years ago) link
Is this the one about the athelete with really stinky perspiration?
I second the recs for Detour and Long Goodbye because they seem to not get as much respect as they deserve.
― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
This is madness, surely? "The Thin Man" may be a Hammet adaptation, but it's still basically a screwball comedy where the main characters solve crimes!
Are these as good as that warner bros gangster box set that they resemble?
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Not exactly what you're asking for, but it's in my bookmarks.
― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Friday, 2 June 2006 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
check it out
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― p@reene (Pareene), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link
if you've read The Big Sleep you've read Chandler, basically -- but Farewell, My Lovely is my personal favorite Marlowe book.
― p@reene (Pareene), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Revivalist (Revivalist), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link
I've also had the novel Out of the Past is based on -- Build My Gallows High -- forever, but haven't read it (tho I've read that Daniel Mainwaring's adaptation of his own book is judged an improvement).
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link
HA, "loathsome." Yeah, Chandler was pretty irredeemably sour, but you know, Marlowe as chivalrous Arthurian knight in morally bankrupt world and all that; he's the most interesting character in pulp fiction, 'cause he's entirely self-loathing, never shoots or fucks anything, really a sort of pathetic repressed moralist masochist, he's as painful to watch as an early Woody Allen protagonist (impotent but for his cleverness, which just gets him beat up repeatedly), except he gets less satisfaction from this terrible modern society, 'cause Allen protagonists always get laid.
― p@reene (Pareene), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link
Cornell Woolrich is fun too.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― p@reene (Pareene), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link
The novels are distinguished by a combination of the hard fiction style of the late forties and a pervasive and morbid sense of psychology, in most cases pathological (psychiatrists and general discussions of insanity pervade the works). The protagonists are subject to extraordinary situations which provoke intense feelings of distress and mental agony, communicated to the reader with a lucidity that makes his storytelling logic surrealistic, fantastic, persuasive and disturbing at once.
― Revivalist (Revivalist), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Friday, 16 June 2006 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link
Border Incident is in a new Noir box.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 June 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Friday, 16 June 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link
!!!
Of course, the only pre-"Space Seed" Ricardo I've seen is Cheyenne Autumn.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 June 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― duff (duff), Friday, 16 June 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Friday, 16 June 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Saturday, 17 June 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 June 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 17 June 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Saturday, 17 June 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyone seen Cry Terror!... At Film Forum tonight, intriguing pairing of Mason and Steiger?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051501/
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 30 August 2007 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link
How come we discussed Red Harvest and Enrique didn't come along to mention that Goldoni play?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 30 August 2007 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
The Farmer's Daughter is in that movie, Morbs?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I haven't seen it, no. I don't think I ever really watched the other feature either.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 30 August 2007 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Has anyone got the recut of Touch Of Evil? Is it worth paying more for over the original?
― aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Thursday, 30 August 2007 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Absolutely.
― C0L1N B..., Thursday, 30 August 2007 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Redd, I don't believe Loretta Young is in it.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 30 August 2007 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Touch of Evil is great if you can stand charlton heston.
it's tough to beat Out of the Past, although the faulkner-penned Big Sleep is classic, too (although the plot literally does not make any sense). I'm also a huge fan of Night and the City and Asphalt Jungle.
An interesting but unsuccessful noir is Dark Passage with Bogey and Bacall, which features a lot of 1st-person shots. Agnes Moorhead is great in it, however.
noirs i dislike: Force of Evil, The Postman Always Rings Twice (both John Garfield vehicles), Cat People (despite its alleged influence), Angel Heart (neo-noir).
― poortheatre, Thursday, 30 August 2007 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Curse of the Cat People is better than plain old Cat People.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 30 August 2007 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link
noirs i dislike: Force of Evil
!!!!
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 30 August 2007 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Yar, The Big Sleep film is tough to follow, but that's down to the production code.
― aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Thursday, 30 August 2007 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
The I Love Film noir thread is pretty good; here's the link if it's not already upthread: film noir
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 30 August 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Morbius, have you seen that Danish movie that's at FF now?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 30 August 2007 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link
no.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 30 August 2007 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link
boo Force of Evil. yay Touch of Evil.
another borderline noir is Kurosawa's High and Low, although a proper noir has to end more pessimistically.
― poortheatre, Friday, 31 August 2007 09:26 (sixteen years ago) link
No mention here of D.O.A., which I saw last night. Man walks into police station, claims he's been murdered, then in classic noir fashion the whole movie is in flashback. It's not quite up there with the best noirs (Double Indemnity, Laura, etc.), but it's pretty terrific and almost an A-Z of noir tropes - flashback structure, protagonist doomed from the start, femme fatale/wholesome girl binary, urban paranoia...
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Double Indemnity and Touch of Evil are my shit. All-time.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:41 (sixteen years ago) link
hells yeah, BIG HOOS.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Time to rep for Preminger's Fallen Angel and Where the Sidewalk Ends.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:03 (sixteen years ago) link
'the big heat' ftw
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Naked City was better than I'd expected.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Just saw Murder, My Sweet. Pretty great. I'm still trying to work out the plot.
― brownie, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link
So awesome that Netflix has its own section for this. Just watched "Woman in the Window", which was okay.
Now have "The Asphalt Jungle" running.
― kingfish, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 07:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Asphalt Jungle Le Doulos The Second Breath hell - basically just about all Melville that involves a raincoat or gun somewhere Double Indemnity T-Men let's see...
Too many to mention but it's my fave genre
― Capitaine Jay Vee, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 07:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Gotta be The Third Man.
― chap, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 10:42 (sixteen years ago) link
IIRC, Scarlet Street is basically the same movie as Woman in the Window but better. Maybe it's the other way around though. Another Lang/Lorre american noir with a similar plot.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Is Woman in the Window the one where he wakes up at the end and it's all been a dream? Cos that's a shitty shitty ending.
― chap, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link
yes, that's the one.
― lauren, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link
It's a shitty ending, but the rest of the movie is really good.
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Joan Bennett is excellent.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link
'Out of the Past' anyone?
― Michael White, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link
one of the best.
― lauren, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:28 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I quoted about half the dialogue of OOTP on the other thread.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:29 (sixteen years ago) link
in the french noir department: elevator to the gallows
― lauren, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Preminger made several goodies: Laura, Angel Face, Where The Sidewalk Ends, Fallen Angel.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost: Yup. With the grebt Miles soundtrack with the grebt Pierre Michelot on bass. Speaking of gallows, the original title of Out Of The Past was Built My Gallows High. Well, title of the novel it was adapted from.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
If only for the soundtrack...
― Michael White, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
re crap ending of Woman In The Window, Wikipedia says: "Director Fritz Lang substituted the film's dream ending in place of the originally scripted suicide ending, to conform with the moralistic Production Code of the time." So blame it on the Hays Code.
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link
third man, big sleep, point blank, chinatown, all the obvious stuff.
― Jordan, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Not to derail totally, but speaking of 'Elevator to the Gallows' (and Maurice Ronet), has anybody ever seen 'Le Feu Follet'?
― Michael White, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm glad detour was rated by a couple people, but can't believe no one's mentioned gun crazy so far.
― Edward III, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Scarlet Street is basically the same movie as Woman in the Window but better. Maybe it's the other way around though. Another Lang/Lorre american noir
no, SS is better (and it's Eddie G, not Lorre).
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link
I picked up Le Feu Follet on video for a couple bucks awhile back, but haven't watched it yet. Criterion's doing a DVD in May
― C. Grisso/McCain, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Sweet! I haven't seen it in eons.
― Michael White, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link
love the cover on the old vhs
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/guncrazy.jpg
― Edward III, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, 'The Maltese Falcon'. There's actually a reproduction of 'the stuff dreams are made of' leering down from the top of a bookcase in my house.
― Michael White, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link
'Maltese Falcon' is my favourite film.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I was reading about Flitcraft just the other day in the intro to The Continental Op.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Auteur Noir from Italy:
Chronicle of A Love Affair-Antonioni's take on The Postman Always... Lucia Bosé is the femme fatale.
Il Bidone-Fellini's noir about three conmen (Broderick Crawford, Richard Basehart, & Franco Fabrizi) who prey on Italy's poor. The final act, wherein Crawford attempts a last score without the aid of his comrades, is relentlessly brutal.
― C. Grisso/McCain, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
This is going on in LA for the next couple of weeks: http://www.americancinematheque.com/archive1999/2008/Egyptian/Film_Noir-2008.htm
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
What's the one with Edward Robinson as a guy who drops out of his day job to paint and murder?
― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Seen recently and loved: Detour, DOA, The Killing, Thieves' Highway, Gun Crazy, Panic in the Streets (a couple of these probably not usually considered noir, but they're so full of NIGHT and GUNS and BARS and JAZZ that I don't care).
Thieves' Highway is weird--one of the few SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Hollyowwod/Hays code era movies which ends with the hero ditching his 'good' WASP girlfriend and ending up with the foreign hooker.
― James Morrison, Thursday, 10 April 2008 00:35 (sixteen years ago) link
That's Scarlet Street.
― The Yellow Kid, Thursday, 10 April 2008 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Tonight is Shadow of a Doubt.
Awesome shots in the opening bits, all the dutch tilts of the buildings & vacant lots, with men criss-crossing around.
And starring Joseph Cotten!
― kingfish, Sunday, 13 April 2008 06:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Thanks, TYK.
― Oilyrags, Sunday, 13 April 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Out of the Past Glass Key Blue Dahlia Murder My Sweet (aka Farewell my Lovely) Kiss Me Deadly Gilda Dark Passage Key Largo In A Lonely Place Where The Sidewalk Ends
― remy bean, Sunday, 13 April 2008 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link
watching blast of silence this weekend, will report back.
― Jordan, Friday, 30 May 2008 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link
after dark, my sweet
― cozwn, Sunday, 26 July 2009 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link
"Double Indemnity" is incredible.
― DOES ANYONE IN THIS BITCH LIKE OMC (Tape Store), Sunday, 26 July 2009 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link
The Maltese Falcon is one of my favorite movies of all time.
― Pancakes are one of my favorite ways to party. (ENBB), Sunday, 26 July 2009 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link
naked city
stray dog
un flic
breathless
d.o.a.
touch of evil
la confidential
double indemnity is basically the best movie ever made imo
― BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 26 July 2009 08:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Unmentioned To Have and Have Not is my favorite film of all time.
― Mordy, Sunday, 26 July 2009 08:36 (fourteen years ago) link
glad Scarlet Street was mentioned.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XUWgyi9favs/SkJ4nNGCnPI/AAAAAAAABgQ/FVEMdeQwJBI/s1600-h/act+of+violence.jpgAct of Violence wasn't and has some pretty cool stuff going on too.
― Ludo, Sunday, 26 July 2009 08:50 (fourteen years ago) link
For no reason I can think of, I've been getting into noir of late. Last week I rented The Big Sleep, which was excellent if incomprehensible. I've since added In A Lonely Place and The Maltese Falcon to my Lovefilm list.And on friday I bought this Chandler novel:http://www.detective-fiction.com/4salepix/chandlerfarewell.jpg
― DavidM, Sunday, 26 July 2009 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link
me too, but i bought the film noir collection! all great films. love alan ladd in these.
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Sunday, 26 July 2009 10:28 (fourteen years ago) link
The Maltese Falcon, which I could watch on a loop forever
― Bobkate Goldtwat (darraghmac), Monday, 27 July 2009 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link
It's nearly perfect.
― ENBB, Monday, 27 July 2009 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I got to see most of the Noir City festival earlier this year - looks like they are playing Chicago later this week. Opening night was a double-bill of 2 newspaper noir classics: Deadline USA and Scandal Sheet. The Big Sleep is the best ever though.
― Jaq, Monday, 27 July 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I think Night and the City is my favorite movie, noir or otherwise. Picked up a Chandler collection from the library and so far it's fantastic. Never read him before.
― mile high guy (brownie), Monday, 27 July 2009 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Chandler is probably my favorite writer ever. Everyone needs to get to The Long Goodbye eventually.
― BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 2 August 2009 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link
btw just watched Red Rock West last night, it was a fun little western noir with nick cage and jt walsh and dennis hopper all hamming it up. it felt like a showtime adaptation of a jim thompson novel.
― BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 3 August 2009 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, I got to see In A Lonely Place last Friday. Not quite the film I was expecting it to be, but a good film nontheless. What an ending!
― DavidM, Monday, 3 August 2009 14:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Movie Madness's film noir collection was like crack to me when I was studying in Portland, OR. The bulk of the most choice noirs have been mentioned already.
A few which haven't that immediately come to mind:
Ride the Pink Horse (massively underrated because it hasn't got a DVD release - would make a great double bill w/ Touch of Evil)Sunset Blvd (obviously not at all underrated but nobody's listed it yet - do you guys not consider it noir?)Touchez pas au grisbi (Jean Gabin classic, also see Pépé le Moko)On Dangerous Ground (Robert Ryan was never better)
Also very good:
His Kind of Woman (Mitchum and Russell reunited!)Kiss of Death (Widmark pushes infirm down stairs)Sweet Smell of Success (badass Burt Lancaster)Criss Cross (probably Siodmak's best)
The Narrow Margin is highly rated by some, but it's not in the top tier for me.
Sui generis but essential and noirish in their own ways:
Johnny GuitarVertigo
FYI, my absolute top four:
Out of the PastTouch of EvilThe KillingKiss Me Deadly
― Goethe*s Elective Affinities, Monday, 3 August 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
with noirs i always get mixed up with titles, all the noirs blend into one for me.
for example, what is the noir with a guy half-dead and dying at the beginning, relating his story in some kind of office, maybe even a tape-recorder (nah?) a typewriter hmm. i am sure it's famous.
― Ludo, Monday, 3 August 2009 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Ludo, sounds like it might be the previously mentioned awesome classic Double Indemnity, but there are a lot of noirs that have that sort of structure.
anyone seen Detour? I think its a great one that doesn't seem to get mentioned often.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Monday, 3 August 2009 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link
oops, i just ctrl+Fed Detour and i see its already been mentioned a few times...
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Monday, 3 August 2009 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link
exactly. i think that's the one though. it was one of the first noirs i saw. (ah it's a dictaphone!)
― Ludo, Monday, 3 August 2009 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link
DOA has the dying guy sitting in an office with a police officer explaining how he came to be dying.
― When two tribes go to war, he always gets picked last (James Morrison), Monday, 3 August 2009 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Double Indemnity?
― ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Monday, 3 August 2009 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Absolutely it is. Double Indemnity is one of the top five noirs ever. Probably my #1.
― reared on Shakespeare (kenan), Monday, 3 August 2009 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Sorry, "films noir."
Ebert is very good on it: "Standing back from the film and what it expects us to think, I see them engaged not in romance or theft, but in behavior. They're intoxicated by their personal styles. Styles learned in the movies, and from radio and the detective magazines. It's as if they were invented by Ben Hecht through his crime dialogue. Walter and Phyllis are pulp characters with little psychological depth, and that's the way Billy Wilder wants it. His best films are sardonic comedies, and in this one, Phyllis and Walter play a bad joke on themselves."
― reared on Shakespeare (kenan), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link
anyone know if Key Largo features the song 'Moanin' Low' in full or just a brief extract?
― unban dictionary (blueski), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Just watched Sudden Fear. Worth it for Joan Crawfords facial expressions and Jack Palances acting.
― Grady Sizemore's elbow (brownie), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Young Jack Palance in that and 'Panic in the Streets' looks like an Easter Island statue come to life.
― When two tribes go to war, he always gets picked last (James Morrison), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Double Indemnity, sure as ten dimes will buy a dollar
― Stop wishing death on people just for the cool thread titles (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 02:11 (fourteen years ago) link
totally just watched Rififi...it's great! i wondered how they'd sustain it after the heist sequence...the second half of the film is even better, even more engrossing. the bit where the money was delivered and Tony clearly didn't give a fuck about it any longer = noirest of noir
― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Carl Mohner dedicated a painting to me once.
― BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Am watching Kurosawa's Stray Dog tonight.
― BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Will be watching Le Cercle Rouge tomorrow. Saw Un Flic a few weeks back, and absolutely adored it. The stylish brilliance of the crooks. The mechanical, self-denying inexorability of the cop. Crime glorified in a way that only serves to heighten its tragedy, only serves to emphasise its ultimate folly. Morality plays, as they should be told.
― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I need to get Un Flic next week. Have you watched Le Samourai yet?
― BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:32 (fourteen years ago) link
not yet but it is in the offing
― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:38 (fourteen years ago) link
All time fave tbh
― BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Am slightly annoyed that said friend watched it the other night with a mutual friend. Will have to borrow it. He's generally not averse to re-watching films, mind.
― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:39 (fourteen years ago) link
I love Double Indemnity, but it's too glossy and clean to be as purely noir as, eg, Out of the Past.
― Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost
Even though I watched it on a beat-up VHS copy, IMO the most perfectly realized noir-ish Melville is Le Deuxieme Souffle.
― Goethe*s Elective Affinities, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Morbs - there's one line of yours concerning film that I really dig - the one about a film's greatness being assured if it still works well with the dialogue removed. This kind of film strikes me as the sort for which this might actually be truer than in other cases. Would you say that the best films noir stand up without their dialogue, in practice?
(cheers mr goethe)
― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Forgot to mention, but I watched The Big Heat a couple days ago. That was some gritty shit. I don't remember Bogie ever dealing with a dead wife, a mob moll with disfiguring facial burns, dead hookers, etc etc.
― Jesus H. Crap (kenan), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Panic in the Streets is really great.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Un Flic I found not as good as the others, but still fun and stylish. But that train sequence...get one budget!
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:24 (fourteen years ago) link
the helicopter model attached to visible wires represents the impossibility of crime except as an artificial fantasy, dude
in all srsnss, scene is carried off by the acting and the in-train filming
― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:25 (fourteen years ago) link
*impossibility of SUCH a crime, even
― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link
This is such a boy genre.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:24 (fourteen years ago) link
ilx's own Lauren P would beg to differ.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:35 (fourteen years ago) link
cm, especially with the chiaroscuro lighting effects usually featured, sure.
― Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Great, now I have to use Google! ;)
― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:41 (fourteen years ago) link
the starkly separated pools of light & shadow
― Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Jane Greer, oh brother!
http://voiceover.blogdiario.com/img/outofthepast.jpeg
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Yep, got it! When done well (Night Of The Hunter, anyone?) that technique can be dazzlingly tense.
― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
The protaganist in this movie is the like the angel of death. Every woman he comes in contact with dies.
― ussr (brownie), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link
mob moll with disfiguring facial burns
Wasn't Jane Greer married to Rudy Vallee for a while? She was young, Vallee told her mom he would bring her out to Hollywood "under my auspices." He liked to have her dress up like a Marilyn Manson girlfriend. She eventually balked, although not before her marriage had got her into trouble with Howard Hughes, who was obsessed with her. She had a similar facial palsey to Sylvester Stallone, which gave her that intriguing expression.
― Horace Silver Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Fans of OOTP should also see the "sequel" with Mitchum and Greer, The Big Steal. Here is an informative obit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/jane-greer-729365.html
― Horace Silver Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Janey Janey, what a gal
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:08 (fourteen years ago) link
a friend of mine used Greer for a radio narration job not long before her death. Apparently she turned down the Gloria Stuart role in Titanic.
― Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I just saw "Laura" for the first time the other night. Oh my god, how could I have waited so long to see this movie? Gene Tierney and Clifton Webb are amazing, and it is so weird to see Vincent Price try to play a "Southern hunky gigolo" character. Plus the sets and clothes and lighting are scrumptious in every detail.
― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh man, don't get me started on Gene Tierney
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link
No, you can't get started. Have you seen Leave Her to Heaven?
And how about that haunting David Raksin theme?
― Horace Silver Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I then watched that Biography documentary "Gene Tierney: A Shattered Portrait" about her life- really amazing/awful life story that makes you think again about what's going on with her performances, what was bottled up in there.
I've always known the Raskin theme, but the first version I ever heard was the Spike Jones parody version, perversely enough . . .
― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Gorblimey!
http://alabasterbrow.blogsome.com/images/gene7.jpg
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I've always known the Raskin themeNot to be a pain, I just learned how to spell it five minutes ago, but it's Raksin.
I wonder how Dadaismus feels about Linda Darnell.
― Horace Silver Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Not that much of a fan of hers, anyway I'm turning this into one of those dead people you fancy threads, apologies
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, UKers there is a film noir night on BBC4 tonight.An hour long documentary, The Rules of Film Noir, and four films: Farewell My Lovely, The Lady From Shanghi, The Big Combo, and Force of Evil. And tommorrow they are showing Build My Gallows High.
― DavidM, Saturday, 22 August 2009 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Schizerkoff, I missed this. Now, if only they'd repeat it as often as 'Blues at the BBC'.
― aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Saturday, 22 August 2009 07:02 (fourteen years ago) link
No wait, it's Saturday today. Yays!
aargh no my digibox is broken!
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Saturday, 22 August 2009 10:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Orson Welles' Irish accent is unbelievable!
― danski, Saturday, 22 August 2009 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link
It really is!
That doc was predictably disappointing BBC four - I only liked the guy that explained how noir scores differed from the norm for that time.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link
btw Build My Gallows High was incredible. Robert Mitchum was some serious laconic but lethal motherfucker throughout. "I don't want to die" "Neither do I, but if I have to I'm gonna die last"
― all you proper coppers... i'm zipper the slipper (DavidM), Monday, 24 August 2009 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Mitchum took laconic to an entirely new dimension. He had to be high on grass.
― ::googles Brett Favre:: (brownie), Monday, 24 August 2009 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
For anyone who doesn't already know, Build My Gallows High = Out of the Past. Mitchum was such a badass.
― Goethe*s Elective Affinities, Monday, 24 August 2009 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I've been reading back-to-back Raymond Chandler novels all summer.Trying to figure out a contemporary actor who could play Marlowe...
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 24 August 2009 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
and I don't think Gould was that far out a choice for The Long Goodbye, I think he hit the mark even better than Bogart.
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 24 August 2009 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link
what happened to those planned Clive Owen / Marlowe movies? in turnaround I guess.
― Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 August 2009 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess Owen looks the part, but can he be funny? I'm thinking more Seth Rogan, Robert Downey Jr...
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 24 August 2009 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Robert Downey Jr would be great ... probably the most realistic choice (in terms of films that would make money) would be George Clooney.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 24 August 2009 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Clooney's funny, charming and tall enough ... but maybe not luckless enough? this is a guy who gets beat up every other chapter. That's what Bogey got wrong.
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 24 August 2009 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Clooney does tend to have a bit of a smug look a lot of the time.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 24 August 2009 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
I think Chevy Chase could have pulled it off in the 80s.Fletch is basically Marlowe with "gags."
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 24 August 2009 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
I could see Clooney getting his ass kicked and wisecrack all the way through it. Very Marlowe.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 24 August 2009 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
wisecrackING
Bogey gets beat up at least twice in The Big Sleep, that's a lot for a '40s movie "hero"
― Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 August 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
...and he pretends to be gay, but doesn't get beat up for that.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 August 2009 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Don't know if someone mentioned it upthread, but Robert Siodmak's Phantom Lady is a total classic.
Here the famous jazz scene, with Elisha Cook Jr as the satyr-like drummer (the quick shot when he touches Ella Raines' neck is still one of the most disturbing things I ever saw):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vEgZM5x0ik
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 08:13 (fourteen years ago) link
So, my digibox went on the fritz and I missed all of these. I've already seen Build My Gallows High, and I'm sure Farewell will be on again, but the others - Stranger on the Third Floor, Lady from Shanghai, Big Combo, Force of Evil - are relatively obscure. My film guide says they're all brilliant and strange, but did anyone here actually see them? Thoughts? Recommendations?
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 09:51 (fourteen years ago) link
i just read "Film Noir" by Alan Silver & James Ursin. good book, beautiful pictures. i made notes of noirs i've yet to see, here's the list. (so this could be Alain Silver's recommendations in a way)
Criss-CrossT-MenThey Drive By NightThey Live By NightHuman DesirePhantom Lady (indeed)D.O.A.DetourThe KillersCrossfiereThe SniperBrute ForceThe Man I LoveThe Reckless MomentThe Lady in the LakeGilda
---also Hammett should be interesting a film Wim Wenders made about well Hammett the detective writer who was an alcoholic detective himself
― Ludo, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 09:55 (fourteen years ago) link
<3 the reckless momenthuman desire pretty good too
― also huh (velko), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 10:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Lady From Shanghai is an Orson Welles containing at least a couple of extraordinary scenes (and a platinum Rita Hayworth).
I really like They Drive By Night (George Raft + Humphrey Bogart directed by Raoul Walsh),
Simply put, Detour is one of the absolute best low budget movies ever. Shot in 2 or 3 days, its impossibly grim, dark and cold and its a fine testament of Edgar Ulmer's huge talent; Lady in The Lake is another Chandler-inspired movie, this time all shot from the perspective of Philip Marlowe; Brute Force and The Killers have both Burt Lancaster in his early roles and they're stunning - I maybe prefer The Killers, another GREAT Siodmak movie with an impossibly beautiful Ava Gardner as the dark lady.
Check also Force of Evil (directed by a not yet blacklisted Abraham Polonsky) and, again if it not mentioned above, Jacques Tourneur's Out of the Past.
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Gilda and Brute Force are pretty great.
― what happened? i am confused. (sarahel), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 10:14 (fourteen years ago) link
dorian: Yeah, Lady From Shanghai is totally worth it, a few brilliant scenes in it. And Orson Welles' terrible accent just adds to the bizarre atmosphere of it.
Big Combo isn't super well known, but I remember it being pretty good.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 10:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I skipped watching Farewell my Lovely as I'm reading it (for the first time) at the moment, and didn't want it spoiled. I couldn't get to grips with The Lady From Shanghai for some reason. I don't think it was just because of Welle's Oirish brougue. The Big Combo however was excellent, full of noirish signifiers: all smoke and shadows, bursts of gunfire, duplicitous dames, the lot.
― all you proper coppers... i'm zipper the slipper (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Joseph H Lewis, who directed THE BIG COMBO, also made GUN CRAZY, which might not be strictly noir but is one of the greatest psychosexual girl/guy/gun flicks of all time
also love the two noirish thrillers that Fritz Lang made in the 1940s, WOMAN IN THE WINDOW and SCARLET STREET
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Gun Crazy is plain great: always puzzled me why John Dall didn't really have a movie career.
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Gun Crazy always looked mildly hokey to me. Worth a screening, then?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I loved Woman in the Window until the final five minutes, which seemed like a betrayal of the whole noir aesthetic.
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, the ending of that movie is pretty disappointing, but apparently Lang (rather cinically) enjoyed performing this cheesy trick.
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link
recently seen Classe tous risques (the big risk), the 2nd movie by claude sautet, and it's def. one of my favourite noirs ever.it's actually a combination between noir and neo-realism. Melville was highly influenced by it, and it shows.
― Zeno, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I need to watch more Tourneur. Recently saw I Walked With a Zombie, which isn't strictly noir but is amazingly atmospheric and features the spookiest calypso singer ever.
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
features the spookiest calypso singer ever.
Tying the whole thing together here...
http://lpcoverlover.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/042.jpg
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Weird true fact--I bought the 'Phantom Lady' novel by Cornell Woolrich a couple of years ago, and the bookshop person is "Oh, that comes with an action figure, I think."
And it did: http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/dc_phantom_lady-01.jpg
Strangest thing I've ever got at a bookshop.
― When two tribes go to war, he always gets picked last (James Morrison), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh SHIT yes! Worth it for the one-take bank-robbing scene alone, but it's all great. Has this fascinating complicated sexual vibe all the way through--Lewis wanted Dall to play the 'hero' as though he was maybe gay.
― When two tribes go to war, he always gets picked last (James Morrison), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link
oh hoos, plz, it's only "hokey" to those cretins who laugh their way thru Every Old Movie Ever.
John Dall didn't really have a movie career.
? He's in Spartacus, that's a dozen years later. Figured he was handicapped in later years by seeming so obviously gay.
Big Combo was photographed by this guy, who did tons of good/great stuff:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0023003/
― Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link
"He's in Spartacus, that's a dozen years later. Figured he was handicapped in later years by seeming so obviously gay"
Quite probable. I remember seeing Rope when I was a kid and being struck by his sneer.
― Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 09:25 (fourteen years ago) link
This Gun for Hire is great, really liking Alan Ladd
Drifted off with Maltese Falcon on last night, and ended up dreaming with Bogie popping up occasionally. Remember playing darts with him at one point, but he was throwing the darts from about 20 yards away and throwing them really hard. I had to ask him to be careful and watch my windows, to which he smiled "you're windows will be fine"
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Friday, 28 August 2009 09:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Just watched another Bogie effort, Dark Passage. Pretty good, some great shots of San Fran too. love how they don't show Humphrey's face for the first part of the movie, until he's had his plastic surgery.
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Just ordered this, am hoping they're good!
http://criterion_production.s3.amazonaws.com/release_images/2293/NikkatsuNoir.jpg
1950s Japanese noir movies
― When two tribes go to war, he always gets picked last (James Morrison), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I own that box but have only watched the first movie so far. Not conventional noir, not even in the way that, say, some of Kurosawa's stuff qualifies. Nikkatsu aimed for a teen market, so there's a lot of starcrossed lovers, theme songs sung by handsome lead actors, etc., though the movies do seem to be very dark and violent in a post-war poverty sort of way. But I think the noir categorization is mostly marketing on Criterion/Eclipse's part.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 September 2009 02:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow this 1948 UK film Daughter of Darkness was just given dvd reissue by Redemption films. It's both British noir and femme fatale wrapped in one with plenty of chiaroscuro and gothic vibe. Definitely recommended.
http://www.thelmagazine.com/images/blogimages/2009/09/30/1254335093-daughterofdarkness.jpg
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Anthony Mann's Side Street makes really amazing use of NYC locations and a great cast of supporting players. MGM was clearly trying to cash in on Naked City's success of the preceding year, but I think this one's better.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 July 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Human Desire was finally released on DVD last week. Caught it yet? Not one of Lang's best noirs, and no pox on Renoir's version.
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Just saw Deadline At Dawn, (mentioned 4 years ago) last night, and it's fascinating: bizarrely pseudopoetic dialogue by Clifford Odets, and a very Edward Hopper-ish visual design; Susan Hayward is beautiful.
― Taller than the president (Dan Peterson), Monday, 11 October 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Came to say that the 1998 sc-fi noir Dark City with Rufus Sewell, Kiefer Sutherland, Jennifer Connelly and William Hurt is grebt, but the 1950 not-quite-noir Dark City with Charlton Heston, Lizabeth Scott, Jack Webb, Harry Morgan, Dean Jagger, Ed Begley and Viveca Lindfors is fun but doesn't really satisfy.
― buffalo stence (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 October 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
The Carlton here (not a rep theatre; a little hard to classify) has a "Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid Weekend" going on. I'd like to see a bunch of them, but the way the price structure's set up, I'll limit myself to a couple--maybe I Walk Alone and Deception.
Fri 11-Sun 13 - Toronto Film Society presents a festival of film noir classics. $10 rush tickets; Fri or Sat pass $65, Sun pass $50, full weekend pass $150.
Fri 11 - Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid (1982) D: Carl Reiner. 9:15 am. Notorious (1946) D: Alfred Hitchcock. 11 am. The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946) D: Tay Garnett. 1:25 pm. Double Indemnity (1944) D: Billy Wilder. 3:35 pm. The Killers (1946) D: Robert Siodmak. 6:50 pm. The Lost Weekend (1945) D: Billy Wilder. 8:50 pm. Sorry, Wrong Number (1948) D: Anatole Litvak. 10:45 pm.
Sat 12 - The Big Sleep (1946) D: Howard Hawks. 9 am. This Gun For Hire (1941) D: Frank Tuttle. 11:10 am. Humoresque (1946) D: Jean Negulesco. 1:15 pm. White Heat (1949) D: Raoul Walsh. 3:35 pm. I Walk Alone (1948) D: Byron Haskin. 7 pm. In A Lonely Place (1950) D: Nicholas Ray. 8:50 pm. Suspicion (1941) D: Alfred Hitchcock. 10:40 pm.
Sun 13 - The Bribe (1949) D: Robert Z Leonard. 9:30 am. Deception (1946) D: Irving Rapper. 11:10 am. Johnny Eager (1941) D: Mervyn LeRoy. 2 pm. Dark Passage (1947) D: Delmer Daves. 4 pm. The Glass Key (1942) D: Stuart Heisler. 6 pm.
― clemenza, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
Wow.
― The Unbassful Serpent (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 May 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
Got out to I Walk Alone and Johnny Eager. The first reminded me a lot of The Strange Love of Martha Ivers--partly that Kirk Douglas and Elizabeth Scott are in both, but more for the structure. I find Liz Scott kind of annoying. First time I've seen Johnny Eager. Lana Turner as a sociologist is right up there with Jennifer Lopez, child psychologist in The Cell. I've never found Turner that beautiful in The Postman Always Rings Twice--don't like the way she's got her hair--but she sure is beautiful here. I don't recall any mention of Van Heflin's character in The Celluloid Closet, but Heflin's portrayal seems ahead of its time. Robert Taylor's fake niece has a great scene.
― clemenza, Sunday, 13 May 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
I have some problems with LS as well.
Anthony Mann's Side Street makes really amazing use of NYC locations and a great cast of supporting players. MGM was clearly trying to cash in on Naked City's success of the preceding year, but I think this one's better.― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:34 PM (1 year ago)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:34 PM (1 year ago)
― The Unbassful Serpent (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 May 2012 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
Triggered by the name-that-still thread, I was looking at some images from Force of Evil last week; fantastic.
http://wondersinthedark.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/filmnotebook-forceofevil_b.jpg
David Thomson reviews a re-release today and says it's better than On the Waterfront:
http://www.tnr.com/article/film/105544/david-thomson-force-of-evil
I'd be surprised if I liked it that much, but I do need to see this.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
It's really great.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
But I don't think of it when I think of the most expressionistic cinematography. It's more about the script and characters.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
I watched a neat one last night (actually 3AM, damn insomnia) -- Without Warning!
Quiet, unobtrusive LA citizen Carl Martin picks up look-alikes for his estranged blonde wife and murders them with garden shears.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrfv0k0yZi0l_c9ezLmJqMMTx5tcSScjX3cV8qSqgjWs2wg-y9qhO1srXVqw
Actually more police prodecural than straight noir, but what made it better than average for me was location footage of a long-gone Hollywood, including many scenes shot around Chavez Ravine, a ramshackle Latino neighborhood in the hills above the then-under-construction freeway system. I didn't know the story of this area until I researched this morning; I found it fascinating.
― David Allan Cow (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
All bulldozed for Dodger Stadium. Still a contentious issue.
― nickn, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
This is a nice piece; great pics and a salient quote:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2009/05/eric-avila-is-an-associate-professor-of-chicano-studies-history-and-urban-planning-at-ucla-his-book-popular-culture-in-the.html
the city reneged on its promise to build housing for poor people because government-subsidized housing was "socialistic," then turned around and subsidized (Walter) O'Malley's bid to build a stadium in the area... Many Angelenos saw that as pure hypocrisy (and it very much reminds me of current accusations of "socialism" in the U.S.)
― David Allan Cow (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
Force of Evil is great, much less sentimental than Waterfront, no sop-to-the-audience finish.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
think I can only catch one of two lesser-known Siodmaks at Film Forum tonight... probably Christmas Holiday, w/ Deanna Durbin and Gene Kelly! Yes, it's a noir, apparently!
http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/the_dark_mirror_christmas_holi
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks for the alert!
― Like Monk Never Happened (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
This really turned out to be an excellent double feature by the way, both Christmas Holiday and The Dark Mirror, with Olivia de Havilland and Thomas Mitchell.
― Zing Can Really Hang You Up the Most (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 4 August 2012 03:18 (eleven years ago) link
My wife, who's not much of a movie buff, is for some reason really interested in the Noir City festival. What should we see? Kiss Me Deadly is probably at the top of my list (I haven't seen any of them); The Window looks intriguing, but we've already got plans the night it's screening.
― Trewster Dare (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
Besides KMD, I would recommend On Dangerous Ground, White Heat, Phantom Lady, Caught.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, those look good, thanks!
― Trewster Dare (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
What Dr Morbius said, plus This Gun for Hire
― computers are the new "cool tool" (James Morrison), Thursday, 9 August 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link
glass orchid
― baking (soda), Thursday, 9 August 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
sorry, conflated glass key and no orchid for miss blandish
― baking (soda), Thursday, 9 August 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
Is No Orchid any good? Never seen it. Glass Key was cool.
― computers are the new "cool tool" (James Morrison), Thursday, 9 August 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
no, it's not any good, that's what it's famous for.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 August 2012 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, right--I knew the book had that rep, didn't know about the film.
― computers are the new "cool tool" (James Morrison), Thursday, 9 August 2012 02:22 (eleven years ago) link
video essay on Chandler adaptations:
http://filmstudiesforfree.blogspot.de/2012/10/hard-boiled-studies-of-raymond.html
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 October 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
Just watched Blast of Silence, partly for its Christmas setting. When it was done, one of my friends said, "Well that was a fuckin' gangster movie." Pretty amazing film. So much in it that could be ridiculous and kind of is -- especially the sneering narration -- but it's so uncompromising and flinty straight to the end that you can't laugh it off.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 17 December 2012 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
Anthony Mann's Side Street makes really amazing use of NYC locations and a great cast of supporting players. MGM was clearly trying to cash in on Naked City's success of the preceding year, but I think this one's better.― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:34 PM (1 year ago) I forgot to second this two years ago.― The Unbassful Serpent (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 May 2012 00:50 (7 months ago) Permalink
I forgot to second this two years ago.
― The Unbassful Serpent (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 May 2012 00:50 (7 months ago) Permalink
Thirded. I just stumbled across this one last night, it's really great.
― Rocking Disco Santa (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 20 December 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
It seems I rated Blast of Silence five stars on Netflix, but I don't remember watching it. Will have to re-screen.
― Peacock, Friday, 21 December 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
I had never seen Dark Passage before last night. The POV camera gimmick, Bogey's dream sequence, nonsensical plot, odd supporting characters, beuatiful San Fran location shooting... even if this isn't maybe a great movie, it's great fun!
― Rocking Disco Santa (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
Michael Atkinson:
Auteurism has encouraged us to think of a director’s filmography as a whole, but within it each film is measured by how beautifully or not it expresses that director’s aesthetic personality.
Noir isn’t like that. It often doesn’t matter who directs which film, what studio made it, or even how “good” each individually is. If we’ve learned anything from catching up with the genre—and I expect to still be seeing “new” noirs made between 1945 and 1962 into my dotage—it’s that each noir is not an individual piece of work, and shouldn’t be diminished by being seen that way. Rather, it’s a zone you enter into, a gallery of bastards and luckless fools, of urban lostness and night streets. It’s bigger than both of us, bigger, certainly, than the often-too-precious romance between a director and his auteurist fan. You go there and find what you can. Simply, noirs are best considered as a whole, as a hive-mind bum’s rush, America whiskey-talking to itself after an innocence-torching war and during a social moment that was supposed to be bliss and was instead empty and scarred. Each noir itself is not equivalent to a painting or a symphony, but all of them together are a cathedral, the massive and chastening temple of the mid-century American Dream betting the Devil its heart, and losing.
This is why noir-based fiction, like David Thomson’s novel “Suspects” and Martin Rowson’s outrageous Eliot-meets-Chandler graphic novel lark “The Waste Land,” come at this particular cultural eruption folding scores of films and characters and references into their narratives. It may be the one page in cinema history where it’s not only permissible but desirable to mix the films and storylines and character arcs together, commingling the experiences of Robert Ryan’s various bigots and Charles McGraw’s various trenchcoated badasses and Yvonne DeCarlo’s various vampire-tramps into one midnight stumble into the shadowlands. Still, that doesn’t mean that noirs are or can be homogenized, or that their use of familiar genre tropes are what’s interesting about them. Each noir has a layer, a dose of beleaguered humanity, to add to the larger story.
http://blog.sundancenow.com/weekly-columns/viva-mabuse-22-noiristan
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
Wow. Well put. Have you ever read that one book by Geoffrey O'Brien where each chapter is the retelling of a dreamlike uber-film based on one particular genre? The Phantom Empire: Movies in the Mind of the 20th Century
― Leopard Skin POLL-Box Hat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
I have not
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
I remember it being an evocation of something like what Atkinson is describing.
― Leopard Skin POLL-Box Hat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit at the final scene of Kiss Me Deadly
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
Just skimming through this thread I noticed Devil In A Blue Dress gets mentioned but no One False Move?? Surely not. Like the look of Side Street.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
Where is the love for Phil Karlson and Kansas City Confidential?
― Pastel City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 July 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link
Thanks for all the compliments about Gene Tierney, my great aunt!
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz3wmmSvHn1qbsbnoo1_500.png
― Iago Galdston, Saturday, 6 July 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link
she was great!
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 July 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
Kudos to you and your gene pool.
― Pastel City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 July 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
I tend to forget she's in Advise and Consent; I wish she'd lived long enough to play these tart roles.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 July 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link
sexy auntie
― WilliamC, Saturday, 6 July 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
Watched The Big Sleep again this week, and can say that it is definitely *not* one of my fave noirs, though I don't really have any very interesting reason for not liking it all that much. The story is, as many have noted, a muddle, and watching it is mostly a case of killing time between the handful of classic scenes or lines.
The guy who intro'd it on TCM (forget name) actually dismissed its status as one of the great noirs, opting to think of it as a particularly atmospheric screwball comedy instead. That works.
― The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Saturday, 6 July 2013 20:13 (ten years ago) link
Kudos to you and your gene pool.― Pastel City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs)
Ha! Good one, Pastel, and thanks everyone for the nice words. I really only got to know her when I was a kid and some as a teenager before she passed away, but she was a terrific person, very funny and nice as can be. She had some rough times in her life (her memoir "Self-Portrait" is pretty good and tells all about it) but was very happy in her final years.
― Iago Galdston, Saturday, 6 July 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
Will have to read that.
After watching Kansas City Confidential and various Allan Dwan films this weekend have to say John Payne as ambiguous hero is really growing on me.
― Pastel City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 July 2013 03:08 (ten years ago) link
That's fantastic, Iago.
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 July 2013 05:22 (ten years ago) link
that is such a great photo of your great aunt, iago. is that from a film still or is it a promo shot?
― Treeship, Sunday, 7 July 2013 05:32 (ten years ago) link
production still
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 7 July 2013 05:45 (ten years ago) link
Continued thanks, all. Treeship, that is a 1947(?) portrait by George Hurrell...pretty stunning picture!
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 7 July 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link
I am scanning some family albums this summer and there are a few very cool snapshots of her that I will post soon if you all are interested
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 7 July 2013 14:54 (ten years ago) link
Risking overkill but wishing I posted the Hurrell above in color...OK, no more!
http://25.media.tumblr.com/5effbd945acdb479e812355d05143a05/tumblr_mp1gggArKW1rkh6xoo1_1280.jpg
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 7 July 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link
Caught a 35mm screening of The Blue Dahlia tonight. Raymond Chandler script. Alan Ladd & Veronica Lake. HUGH BEAUMONT. William Bendix was a creepy looking dude. Finally came to dvd last year. Film only mentioned once in this thread.
― Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 12 August 2013 04:34 (ten years ago) link
That's the one where William Bendix forgets stuff, right? I've seen it a couple of times, but many years ago.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 August 2013 04:58 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, he's got a plate in his head making him mad every time he hears that "Monkey Music", cursing the day Michael Nesmith was born.
― Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 12 August 2013 05:46 (ten years ago) link
Watched Pushover (1954) last night (Fred MacMurray and "introducing Kim Novak.") Really good, if somewhat derivative of Double Indemnity, and also sharing the spying-across-the apartment-courtyard motif of Rear Window which was released the same year. It has enough twists and turns and double-crosses to satisfy.
― Low down bad refrigerator (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 10 October 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link
yeah, that one's OK.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 October 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link
Series of Columbia crime films at MoMA... of COURSE i haven't gotten to any yet, but planning on Dmytryk's The Sniper tonight.
http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/films/1488
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
The Sniper is very unsettling, and apparently a direct influence on Psycho and possibly Vertigo. Some pretty good San Francisco location shots too, if that floats your boat... Dave Kehr talks about it, and the series he co-curated, here (some spoilers in the first piece):
http://www.davekehr.com/?p=21
http://www.screenslate.com/interviews/dave-kehr
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
This looks neat
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MUNSV3S/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?keywords=film%20noir&qid=undefined&ref_=sr_1_1&s=movies-tv&sr=1-1
― Randall "Humble" Pie (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 25 August 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link
Ha! Just finished watching The Big Clock. Lighter than most noirs in that its foregrounded with a lot more humour than most (the film even fades out on a gag), but ridiculously entertaining. Plus, Charles Laughton being awesome.
― MaudAddam (cryptosicko), Monday, 25 August 2014 00:35 (nine years ago) link
If I were ever to go to San Francisco in January, it might be for the Noir City fest. This year's theme: Unholy Matrimony!
http://noircity.com/nc13p1.html
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
anyone checked out the Criterion of Robert Montgomery's Ride the Pink Horse? Very good, weirdly plotted and cast (the principal heavy is Mr Sheldrake from Sunset Blvd, wearing a big hearing aid), and as at least one critic (labuza, below) has pointed out, RM's antihero is kind of an idiot. Also an essential Thomas Gomez performance (first Oscar nomination for a Hispanic actor).
http://thefilmstage.com/features/ride-the-pink-horse-hits-criterion-edges-of-the-frame/
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
Only major film performance by Zozobra as well, I believe.
― Vic Perry, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
i saw the name, but i don't know em
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
oh the big fiesta puppet
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
I'm stoked, a friend who is deeply into noir made a VHS of this quite a while back so it'd be nice to see a good print
― Vic Perry, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
Montgomery did it right after his Lady in the Lake, which i still haven't seen.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link
(first Oscar nomination for a Hispanic actor)
Thomas Gomez, Ride the Pink HorseRobert Ryan, CrossfireRichard Widmark, Kiss of Death
Man, no wonder they gave it to Santa Claus that year.
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
Love everything about the film minus the crappy "Anglo-girl-does-Mezzcan" performance by Wanda Hendrix. Takes me out of it every time.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link
In New Mexico, culture designed-for-tourists has a way of becoming authentic, & vice versa.
On the other hand, I could never deal with Charlton Heston as a Mexican in Touch of Evil, for what it's worth.
― Vic Perry, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, Heston takes me out of "TOE" as well. Akim Tamiroff doesn't , though. Go figure.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 22:47 (nine years ago) link
Heston likely got OW hired to direct, so deal with it eh.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 03:52 (nine years ago) link
is Wanda Hendrix's character Mayan?
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 03:53 (nine years ago) link
CH also cried after doing Edward G. Robinson's last scene ever, death scene in Soylent Green, but perhaps I embellish.
― Thank You For Talking Machine Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 04:14 (nine years ago) link
Xp. She's all yours, Morbs. Take her. (Ba-dum)
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 05:04 (nine years ago) link
crappy "Anglo-girl-does-Mezzcan" performance by Wanda Hendrix. Takes me out of it every time.
I find this hard to believe, Jay Vee, as you've seen a lot of Hollywood films of the era and, for substantial nonwhite roles, this was pretty much done EVERY. TIME. Through the '60s.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 12:09 (nine years ago) link
Yes, true, but she doesn't convince me in her part. Why is that a big concern? I find some actors inhabit their parts better than others. It's simple as that.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 12:54 (nine years ago) link
And as far as Heston in TOE goes it's really only when he speaks any Spanish ( see bar scene in search of his wife ) that the illusion is shattered. A poor accent by a "native" speaker is something I pick up on right away. A film like Mann's "Border Incident" for example really delivers the goods for me because Montalban was perfect casting.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link
Michael Almereyda's essay on Pink Horse:
http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/3490-ride-the-pink-horse-bad-luck-all-around
Same source novelist as In a Lonely Place, Dorothy B Hughes. (IaLP just can't stay in print long enough for me to find it.)
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 May 2015 03:32 (nine years ago) link
“Wally Cassell, a film-noir favorite who played Cotton Valletti, one of Jimmy Cagney’s gang, in the electric 1949 crime thriller White Heat, has died. He was 103.” The Hollywood Reporter‘s Mike Barnes: “Cassell stood out in such film-noir movies as Cornell Woolrich’s The Guilty (1947); Quicksand (1950), which starred [Mickey] Rooney and Peter Lorre; the crime-doesn’t-pay drama Highway 301 (1950), opposite Steve Cochran; Breakdown (1952), a boxing saga with Ann Richards and Sheldon Leonard; and City That Never Sleeps (1953), starring Gig Young.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/wally-cassell-dead-white-heat-798730
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
wow. 103!
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
Kiss Me Deadly is just ridiculously good. favorite line: the casual reply given when Wesley Addy's police lieutenant is asked what to do about Hammer: "Let him go to hell."
― nomar, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:48 (seven years ago) link
Last GREAT fn I saw was Nightmare Alley, which doesn't seem to have been mentioned on this thread. It's so singular and weird that at times it feels almost like Fritz Lang's lost post-war American horror movie; highly recommended:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightmare_Alley_(film)
― Bongo Herbert (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:55 (seven years ago) link
ILF:
Nightmare Alley
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
TY, will read. It's genuinely haunted me since I saw it a little while ago, and I can't say that about a lot of 'better' movies. The conclusion that we'll all end up as the geek is p devastating.
― Bongo Herbert (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 21:24 (seven years ago) link
Every scene with Addy is so great. His delivery of "I catch you snooping around with a gun in your hand, I'll throw you in jail!" kills me.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
def read the novel.. more merciless
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link
It is. Though at least with the film you don't have to be inside Hammer's horrible head.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 23:51 (seven years ago) link
Or did you mean the Nightmare Alley novel, which is also bloody good, and has the advantage of non-Spillane prose.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 23:58 (seven years ago) link
yes, Nightmare Alley... i do think i read that Spillane alone
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 January 2017 02:44 (seven years ago) link
My favorites.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 03:14 (six years ago) link
Nicely done. But why did you leave out The Big Sleep?
― Blecch, Wight and Redd All Over (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 03:26 (six years ago) link
And Kiss Me Deadly?
― Josefa, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 05:05 (six years ago) link
And Gun Crazy?
(Alfred tells us all to shut up)
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 08:59 (six years ago) link
at least Devil in a Blue Dress is in the mix, I'd take out The Limey and add One False Move instead.
― calzino, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 09:04 (six years ago) link
Big Sleep raised my eyebrow the most but maybe it's not fully noir. if that's the rationale then maybe In a Lonely Place raises my eyebrow the most.
― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 09:49 (six years ago) link
It's Night AND the City, not in the city.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 11:36 (six years ago) link
too many color films
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 12:02 (six years ago) link
Ossessione is much more of a noir than Maltese Falcon, ditto many Melvilles.
Huston's most blatant noir was Asphalt Jungle, and as Orson Welles pointed out, Kubrick then left him in the dust with The Killing.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 12:10 (six years ago) link
Force of Evil is not #17 fer chrissakes
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 12:13 (six years ago) link
No "Sunset Boulevard" because you dont think its a noir or just dont rate it?
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 13:36 (six years ago) link
I love The Late Show.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
Positive reinforcement, people.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
Good point. But feel like whatever I might have had to say probably already said upthread somewhere.
― Blecch, Wight and Redd All Over (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
Alfred is sentenced to ten hours of Robert Ryan noirs for leaving all of them out
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
Eddie Muller shakes his head
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
Gloria Grahame season at BFI SouthbankRunning concurrently alongside BFI Thriller, BFI Southbank will also present a season of films celebrating the irresistible and alluring Gloria Grahame. The season will tie in with the release of Film Stars Don’t Die in Liverpool (Paul McGuigan, 2017), about the passionate relationship between British actor Peter Turner and the Academy Award-winning actress, starring Annette Bening and Jamie Bell. Graham was most famous for her femmes fatales roles in films such as In a Lonely Place (1950), The Big Heat (1953), Sudden Fear (1952) and Human Desire (1954), all of which will be screened alongside non-thriller titles she starred in, shining a spotlight on her formidable talent
Running concurrently alongside BFI Thriller, BFI Southbank will also present a season of films celebrating the irresistible and alluring Gloria Grahame. The season will tie in with the release of Film Stars Don’t Die in Liverpool (Paul McGuigan, 2017), about the passionate relationship between British actor Peter Turner and the Academy Award-winning actress, starring Annette Bening and Jamie Bell. Graham was most famous for her femmes fatales roles in films such as In a Lonely Place (1950), The Big Heat (1953), Sudden Fear (1952) and Human Desire (1954), all of which will be screened alongside non-thriller titles she starred in, shining a spotlight on her formidable talent
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
Saw In a Lonely Place for the first time just this week. Was pretty disappointed tbh, maybe because I loved the book so much. But the Dix character's hate and rage wasn't explained v well I think, so it was just lots of him being a dick to his girlfriend. A shame.
― ian, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
The book is being reissued on NYRB classics.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
was reprinted in the Femme Fatales series almost 15 yrs ago, which is the copy I have. much more nuance than the film.
― ian, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
not read the book. Dix's hatefulness isn't explained in the film - he's just presented as a dick and i think that's enough in that context. he is the film's villain, whatever else happens, dunno that i'd want there to be "mitigating" circumstances
― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
Fuckin villains.
― ian, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link
i think his nature adds a layer of irony to the title :)
― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
I will take "The Asphalt Jungle" over "The Killing" any day.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
Alfred, I applaud the fact you put the great "Devil In A Blue Dress" on your list. I watch that about 2-3 times a year.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
List needs Melville, though.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 22:42 (six years ago) link
Think one has to disallow French, otherwise...
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
Oh, but he included Diabolique so...
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link
ian, he's a desperate middle-aged screenwriter. 'nuff said
The book is a whole diff story, also excellent; read it for the first time last year.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
Gloria Grahame's marriage to Nick Ray was falling apart at the time, wasn't it
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
Yes, I think she took up w/ his teenage son around then...?
Bogart's Dix is an antihero, not a villain. one pities him.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 23:27 (six years ago) link
I wish I could be sentenced to this, and have the time to carry it out
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 3 August 2017 00:53 (six years ago) link
maybe yer supposed to pity dix but... nah, he's... a dick.
― ian, Thursday, 3 August 2017 00:57 (six years ago) link
People often cite it as Bogart's deepest performance. You can see the pain and self-hatred.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 August 2017 01:13 (six years ago) link
Think it was Last (x) Movies where I had a good conversation about Nightmare Alley, but might be too spoiler-y for some---but from the same thread (didn't know about this one, it's great):
Act of Violence---1948, dir. Fred Zinneman, starring Robert Ryan, Van Heflin, Janet Leigh, Phyllis Thaxter, and Mary Astor ( In her autobiography, A Life on Film, Astor recalled filming her scenes for Act of Violence while simultaneously shooting Little Women: "For two weeks or so I was with the Zinneman company playing a sleazy, aging whore, with Van Heflin and Robert Ryan. It was such a contrast that it was stimulating - and reviving....---thanks TCM!). Shit you can't take back, no matter how much you pay, in a star-spangled suburban way or otherwise---crisis of the intractable, locked gears, film fucking noir. (I got a bit tired of the earnest running around that Leigh, Astor, and Thaxter have to do, but the guys do it too, in a grimmer way, all in the maze.)
― dow, Thursday, July 6, 2017 5:11 PM Also liked the three versions of Postman I've seen, was disappointed by Double Indemnity, despite being a Stanwyck stan.
― dow, Thursday, 3 August 2017 01:20 (six years ago) link
Agree about Bogart, and reminds me I still need to read this, which I got when it first came out:
Women Crime Writers: Eight Suspense Novels of the 1940s & 50s (Sarah Weinman ed., Library of America)Laura, Vera Caspary | The Horizontal Man, Helen Eustis | In a Lonely Place, Dorothy B. Hughes | The Blank Wall, Elisabeth Sanxay Holding | Mischief, Charlotte Armstrong | The Blunderer, Patricia Highsmith | Beast in View, Margaret Millar | Fools’ Gold, Dolores Hitchens
― dow, Thursday, 3 August 2017 01:29 (six years ago) link
Laura the book is camp as hell. In a Lonely Place, The Blank Wall, The Blunderer and Beast in View are all great.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 3 August 2017 06:31 (six years ago) link
totally agree. antihero, villain, that's just semantics, i wan't really trying to put an easy label on the character. but the film draws the conclusion that he's probably capable of murder, and in the end Laurel has to escape him. it's not an accident that the murderer himself is so tangential to the story.
anyway before ian repped for the book yesterday i was already thinking i'd like to read it, will have to get round to that.
― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 August 2017 07:34 (six years ago) link
Forgetting The Big Sleep was an oversight. I should've had Melville too, maybe Ossessione. As for Ryan, I hope y'all don't have Crossfire in mind (The Set-Up and On Dangerous Ground, however).
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 August 2017 11:05 (six years ago) link
Ophuls' Caught too
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 August 2017 11:21 (six years ago) link
Clearly I need to check out more Ophuls. Clash By Night seems spiritually noir, kind of a sun-and-moonlight, healthy sea air Nightmare Alley: Stanwyck finally comes back because she has nowhere else to go, and when Ryan sees her again, neither does he, not that he was all healthy before. Her husband is delusional, Uncle Billy is silly with demented malice, on a spree.
― dow, Thursday, 3 August 2017 13:56 (six years ago) link
I'll take The Reckless Moment over Caught in this context.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:10 (six years ago) link
me too
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link
no one (since alfred's revive) has mentioned Night Moves -- I think that's a great movie. nice to see it on your list, alfred.
― ian, Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
Alfred's list needs more Sam Fuller on it. House Of Bamboo at least.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
that's true!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
I may write a sequel tbh
That's more like it!
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
Night Moves is coming out on blu-ray at the end of this month
― nomar, Thursday, 3 August 2017 21:20 (six years ago) link
I just need to call anything as '70s as Night Noves neo-noir.
btw i don't think i've ever seen the R Ryan-starring Act of Violence:
http://www.eddiemuller.com/top25noir.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 August 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
Caught that one on TCM a couple of years ago, it's good.
― I can see by the look on your face, you've got ring worm. (WilliamC), Thursday, 3 August 2017 22:13 (six years ago) link
Actually saw Eddie Muller once at Film Forum. He was introducing The Prowler, which he said he often watched with James Ellroy.
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 3 August 2017 23:55 (six years ago) link
Act of Violence and The Set-Up are top-notch Ryan. Would also include Odds Against Tomorrow.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 4 August 2017 00:16 (six years ago) link
Very well. I've expanded the list.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 August 2017 02:50 (six years ago) link
Please fix the director credit for The Big Sleep ASAP
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 August 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
I would have preferred Huston's The Big Sleep tbh
― the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 4 August 2017 03:03 (six years ago) link
Watch it, Buster, or you'll end up like your friend Joe Brody.
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 August 2017 03:09 (six years ago) link
has Alfred really seen any of these?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 August 2017 03:16 (six years ago) link
Think maybe we just guilt-tripped him into listing them, sight unseen
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 August 2017 03:19 (six years ago) link
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius),
oh come now
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 August 2017 11:52 (six years ago) link
Big Sleep still has RONG DUDE in the director's chair
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 August 2017 12:29 (six years ago) link
Also, wish I could post video of George Sanders as King Charles II in Forever Amber saying "Come, children!" to his dogs.
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 August 2017 12:32 (six years ago) link
http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Forever-Amber-Sanders.png
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 August 2017 12:35 (six years ago) link
You might as well have posted The Maltese Falcon, dir. Roy Del Ruth
― Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 5 August 2017 13:19 (six years ago) link
Appealing review of the NYRB edition of In A Lonely Place:http://www.npr.org/2017/08/22/545261350/if-you-want-groundbreaking-noir-try-looking-in-a-lonely-place
― dow, Thursday, 24 August 2017 01:47 (six years ago) link
Saw Gun Crazy for the second time tonight. I can appreciate why it's famous, and for sure some of it is visually striking (including especially the first robbery). Tempering that for me is 10- or 15-minute escape at the end, which drags a bit (redeemed somewhat by some poetic cinematography right at the end--reminded me of Night of the Hunter), and John Dall, who isn't much of an actor and gets the film's worst lines ("Why do you kill people? Why can't you let them live?"). Peggy Cummins feels original. I knew I knew the name Morris Carnovsky, but I had to look him up to figure out from where: he plays James Caan's grandfather in The Gambler. Possible allusions in other films: "He'd kill us if he had the chance" in The Conversation (Cummins has almost an identical line), and the overhead shot inside the Library of Congress in All the President's Men (very similar to a shot of Dall and Cummins planning their final robbery).
http://criminalbackgroundrobertodiernasmoviereviewblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/gun-crazy-swamp-robert-odierna-sheriff.jpg?w=700
― clemenza, Friday, 20 July 2018 02:48 (five years ago) link
pretty incredible film, i think. and when Peggy Cummins spins around to give this look of glee as they make their escape, it raises the hair on your arms.
https://thehannibal8.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/gun-crazy-direction1.png?w=500
― omar little, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:59 (five years ago) link
Don't sleep on the '47 Technicolor Desert Fury starring Lizabeth Scott, John Hodiak and Burt Lancaster but stolen by Mary Astor and Wendell Corey. Queer as hell. On a Kino Lorber DVD release from February.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 June 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
Because of an ILX POLL, recently learned that Burt Bacharach had a thing for and then with Lizabeth Scott.
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 June 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
I'm squeezing in the last few Columbia Noirs from the package leaving CC tomorrow, and watched Experiment in Terror this morning, really enjoyed it. I had a vague childhood memory of a creepy movie where Ross Martin made a woman undress...now I know which one it was.
― Manfred Hemming-Hawing (WmC), Saturday, 29 June 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
Somebody posted on the Criterion thread what’s going away in future months but not what’s going away this month so I don’t really know what to binge watch:(
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 June 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
https://www.criterionchannel.com/leaving-june-30
― Manfred Hemming-Hawing (WmC), Sunday, 30 June 2019 00:31 (four years ago) link
Thanks!
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 June 2019 00:44 (four years ago) link
man, Robert Siodmak's Cry of the City is something else, just fantastic. Wasn't that hot on Detour but figured it was minor given the runtime. don't know if COTC is a new restoration but it looked great. Looking forward to Criss Cross.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:48 (four years ago) link
def recommend the traumatized WWII vet noir of Act of Violence -- Ryan, Heflin, Zinnemann (best?), Mary Astor as a worn skid row lush.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 20 October 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
Seeing Fuller’s Underworld USA tonight.
― Heez, Sunday, 20 October 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
Anyone who works in insurance should watch Double Indemnity and book it to their CPD.(Um, that may be an insurance-specific reference)
― Maltrsnapper, Monday, 21 October 2019 01:36 (four years ago) link
Finally got around to The Maltese Falcon. Passé maybe but absolutely terrific. I also enjoyed The Big Sleep and Cape Fear, no real misses yet in the selections from here.
I've also enjoyed basically everything Dashiell Hammett wrote although a bit inconsistent. I tried some other more pulp writers but wasn't so impressed. James Ellroy is apparently kind of horrible though, he seems to think the way to get the most authentic mood for California noir is to slip in a lot of racial slurs. I was surprised to find out Hammett had radical left sympathies.
― viborg, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 07:27 (four years ago) link
Noir Alley on TCM has been a pretty fun time for us (if DVR clogging).
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:39 (four years ago) link
yes! i love it but i forget to check in regularly. he has some real gems though.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:10 (four years ago) link
seems to think the way to get the most authentic mood for California noir is to slip in a lot of racial slursracism in the 20th century LAPD? surely an outrageous slur
― insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link
d’oh: slur smear
― insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
I was surprised to find out Hammett had radical left sympathies
well, he was Lillian Hellman's paramour for awhile
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
Hammett seems to have been radicalized by his experiences as a Pinkerton strikebreaker:
http://socialismtoday.org/archive/151/hammett.html
― Brad C., Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link
anyone seen Ride the Pink Horse?
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
I've seen Play The Pink Oboe
― insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link
I have. Solid, essential Montgomery.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link
Unfortunately Hammett, like many CP members, loyally followed the ‘party line’, dictated by the Stalinist bureaucracy that had removed all vestiges of workers’ democracy in Russia. He publicly supported the Moscow purge trials that were used by the Stalinists to attack Leon Trotsky and other opponents of Stalinism...
[Under McCarthy,] the court sentenced him to six months in jail. Hammett offered no defence. After his release, he was blacklisted. His books that had sold in their hundreds of thousands were removed from public libraries. Screenings of film versions stopped. He became a non-person, dependent on the support of a few loyal friends for accommodation and food in his final years, finally dying from lung cancer in January 1961.
Interesting stuff, Brad C. I wish he would have written more directly about his experiences with the Anaconda strike but maybe he felt that had zero chance of publication. Apparently early in his career he had aspirations to more literary fiction.
racism in the 20th century LAPD? surely an outrageous slur
Touché but with Ellroy the impression is that he was actually expressing his own prejudices. He's a pretty right wing guy, whatever you make of that. Imo any kind of 'true crime' fiction that adheres to the lies of conservative American white supremacist leanings is deeply misguided and not really worth much consideration otherwise. But I did enjoy LA Confidential if I'm honest.
― viborg, Thursday, 28 November 2019 06:29 (four years ago) link
As for watching I don't DVR, I t0rrent tbh.
― viborg, Thursday, 28 November 2019 06:31 (four years ago) link
Ellroy definitely revels in inhabiting and creating voices for pieces of shit in the 1950s novels, but Rampart shows he's aware of the endemic racist problems in the LAPD, and that the earlier books are not simply a reflection of good times for white men that he wishes were still around
(I tapped out on the books after The Kelley Deal Cold 6000 so this is the only thing I've encountered by him set less than 38 years ago)
― insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 28 November 2019 07:34 (four years ago) link
The Strange Love of Martha Ivers is a weird one -- that bifurcated structure, with Stanwyck taking a back seat to Van Heflin (never better) in screen time -- but I liked it a lot. Weird to see Kirk Douglas playing such a weak character (in his debut), but he's good.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:44 (four years ago) link
(and wow, that girl playing young Stanwyck is indeed creepy and unforgettable)
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:46 (four years ago) link
Yeah, it rocks.
Watched I Wake Up Screaming (1941) this morning, which doesn't appear to be terribly well known for reasons I can sort of understand: it feels like its still figuring out the rules of the genre, so there are plenty of detours into comedy and romance, but the uncertainty ultimately works in the picture's favour. Great supporting work, especially from a menacing Laird Cregar (who I didn't know before), and a genuinely puzzling use of the an instrumental version of "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" throughout, acting as a sort of ironic counterpoint to the story.
― Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:26 (four years ago) link
Not a favorite--too slight, ending goes soft--but watching André De Toth's Crime Wave this morning, I got a fair bit of amusement out of how much Ted de Corsia (as the main heavy) resembles Ted Cruz:
https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w600_and_h900_bestv2/koshCsy9aAqgwH5E15CyNS4J3VZ.jpg
― Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Sunday, 29 March 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
I love Crime Wave because it was filmed in my old neighborhood in Glendale. I used to live a couple doors away from the pet hospital that Charles Bronson walks into here:http://tropicostation.blogspot.com/2008/09/glendale-on-film-crime-wave-1952.html
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 12 April 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
I like those kind of discoveries. I watched Kubrick’s The Killing a few days ago, hadn’t seen it before and didn’t realize that part of it was filmed at the former Bay Meadows racetrack in San Mateo
― Dan S, Sunday, 12 April 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
I urge folks with the Criterion Channel to check out So Dark The Night. Part of the Columbia noir series, although its French village setting is not very noir to me. Directed by Joseph Lewis (Gun Crazy) it features beautiful cinematography for a B film, charming acting by a mostly unknown cast, and a plot that gets weirder than the leisurely first half would lead you to believe.
― Album Moods: Rambunctious; Snide (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 12 April 2020 23:26 (four years ago) link
dave kehr's summary: https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/so-dark-the-night/Film?oid=2800203
― wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 13 April 2020 00:19 (four years ago) link
I watched that one last year on the first go-round for Columbia Noir, it's good.
― Flem Fatale (WmC), Monday, 13 April 2020 00:30 (four years ago) link
Just watched So Dark The Night (it's on YouTube): enjoyable but minor. For most of it I was thinking this isn't noir, it's murder mystery... but then the twisty end gets pretty noir.
One aspect that struck me is that it's set in France, and everyone's presumably speaking French all the time although it's English in the movie, and they signal this by everyone speaking in outrageous comedy French accents. This used to be standard cinema practice, but fell out of favour at some point, quite a bit later on, maybe the 70s or 80s? Are there examples beyond that? I think what took that place is instead of foreign accents signifying foreign languages, English accents (as opposed to American) became signifiers of foreign language. But I'm not sure that's done so much now, the suspension of disbelief is not so possible any more. You have to go with subtitles, or you have to forego any attempt to signify "foreign" and just go with a naturalistic American accent
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 13 April 2020 12:22 (four years ago) link
Finally saw the Scorsese favorite Murder by Contract… lean and mean, just like Vince Edwards.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 11:27 (four years ago) link
Detour is a wild ride. The Vera character is just nuts. In some scenes, Ann Savage looks glamorously sexy, and in others she looks like a rat that just crawled out of its hole. She's a two-face!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Ann_Savage_in_Detour.jpghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/--BZFf_JP3w4/XHp-djxGK7I/AAAAAAAARVc/sNi5Pge5mkkxuSE95jPZ1kpwCE-D4jL0ACLcBGAs/s1600/Detour.jpg
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link
i didn't think much of detour (and i was excited to watch); it seemed like more of an experiment/accomplishment in economy than a "great" film
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 16:09 (four years ago) link
I'd advise catching Ann Savage's performance from a Guy Maddin film about 60 years later
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link
Ann Savage in Detour is amazing!!
― Nhex, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 16:25 (four years ago) link
Ride the Pink Horse would make a good pair with Flamingo Road
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 04:16 (four years ago) link
Detour is one of my favorite films of all time. It perfectly captures the vibe of a “racy” paperback purchased at a seedy small town bus station sometime in the Great Depression.
― Album Moods: Rambunctious; Snide (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 04:39 (four years ago) link
watched So Dark the Night last night based on this thread - came close to switching it off a few times in the first half, but the second half does indeed pay off as advertised itt, some great expressionist touches, particularly loved the shot where Steven Geray is at his desk & suddenly the foreground light disappears except for horror-movie underlighting on his face. Fun discovery.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Monday, 27 April 2020 15:01 (four years ago) link
SPOILER so Dark the night SPOILER is really the dumb film that the twin brother in adaptation is writing
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 08:36 (four years ago) link
yup. also, it is oedipus rex.
― wasdnous (abanana), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 13:27 (four years ago) link
I'm reading James Harvey's Movie Love in the Fifties, and in advance of the Big Heat chapter, I watched it for the first time in ages. Great film. You have to put up with the domestic scenes between Ford and his wife for a few minutes--I realize their importance, but they're the Susie-Dallas scenes in Sweet Smell of Success, the anachronistic wholesomeness that belongs to some other movie. Lots of great lines otherwise--I'd forgotten Gloria Grahame's famous line when she walks into Ford's hotel room for the first time--and Dave Bannion very much belongs to the Ethan/Scottie line of '50s male obsessives who are borderline psychotic.
― clemenza, Monday, 18 May 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link
The Underworld Story is sorta misleadingly titled, in that its basically a proto-Ace in the Hole with a gangster character who plays a pivotal supporting role. It's a good one, though, thanks mostly to a solid supporting cast, including Herbert Marshall as a conflicted rich patriarch, Gar Miller as his creepy son, and the great Howard Da Silva as the aforementioned gangster. Dan Duryea is typically scuzzy as in the lead, and the credits assure me that Alan Hale Jr. is in there somewhere as a hired goon, but I didn't catch him. There is some awkward racial stuff that Eddie Muller explains was the product of director Cy Endfield (who also made the equally terrific noir The Sound of Fury the same year) wanting to inject some social commentary into the piece, only to have the studio intervene and demand the casting of a white actress as the "negro" maid charged with murder so the film would play in the south. It's...distracting, to say the least.
― A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Sunday, 7 June 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
How in the world had I never seen The Big Combo before last night. Dark, brutal, and perfectly cast.
― Orson Well Yeah (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 6 August 2020 12:08 (three years ago) link
Love that movie. John Hoyt as the world weary Swedish antiques dealer is a highlight.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 6 August 2020 12:12 (three years ago) link
My favourite half of a film noir is the first half of Dark Passage
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 6 August 2020 12:32 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that blew my mind when I caught it on afternoon tv as a kid.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 6 August 2020 13:47 (three years ago) link
thanks for the big combo rec. had never heard of it and was amazed by how good it was! Was really surprised at how little standing it has, seemed a lot better than a lot of much more canonical stuff from the period, great performances and some really artful sequences. Helene Stanton as Rita was wonderful and I looked her up on imdb and she basically didn't appear in anything else?
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 20:52 (three years ago) link
Yeah watched the big combo after reading this thread and really loved it. Gun crazy next I guess
― Heez, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link
I watched Preminger's Whirlpool and Where the Sidewalk Ends recently, I was surprised to find out the former is more well known/well regarded. WTSE could use much more Gene Tierney but it kind of got me at the end with the turn in Dana Andrews' character.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 03:34 (three years ago) link
The extras in the Eureka disc of The Big Combo (in the Film Noir box) spend a lot of time bickering about whether the movie has an auteurist vision or whether ppl trying to say that are evidence of auteurism gone wrong and that it's actually more of a triumph of a lot of different players. The story of how it got rediscovered - UK repertory cinema got a hold of a copy in the 1970's and played the hell out of it - also entertaining.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 09:01 (three years ago) link
been patching up my noir blind spots. The Big Heat! amazing! Kiss Me Deadly! slightly overrated beyond the ending!
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Saturday, 29 August 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link
also, Gun Crazy benefits tremendously from knowing nothing about it when you start in.
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Saturday, 29 August 2020 20:07 (three years ago) link
I thought the same about Kiss Me Deadly at first, but check out this video about how much Robert Aldrich fucking HATED Mickey Spillane... besides the Cold War horror that runs thru the movie and explodes at the end, Aldrich and his co-writer saw Mike Hammer (who was in a bunch of Spillane novels iirc) as a fascist thug, and Meeker's performance shows that. jamming the guy's fingers in the drawer, I mean his cynicism and cruelty are emphasized over his values (if any) and his mission and his effectiveness in it, which is basically none, the bomb goes off... the most obvious nod towards this is the backwards opening credits. also how Cloris Leachman catching her breath eventually just sounds like aroused moaning.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 29 August 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link
One of the great things about KMD is just how amped up it is pushing against both the production code and Spillane/Hammer fan service expectations.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 30 August 2020 00:09 (three years ago) link
Panic In The Streets has become quite timely.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 30 August 2020 00:12 (three years ago) link
yeah I admired how bleak and cruel it was, I just didn't find it as riveting on a plot/character level as some of the others I've been watching.
flappy, was there supposed to be a video in yr post? :)
xp
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Sunday, 30 August 2020 00:13 (three years ago) link
Yes and now I can’t find it 😭
― flappy bird, Sunday, 30 August 2020 01:42 (three years ago) link
I liked The Big Combo a lot (with that one particularly amazing moment about 3/4 of the way in) but found the lead a little too punchable.
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Monday, 31 August 2020 04:22 (three years ago) link
This is a very good list I thought, a season of women's picture noirs. I'm very interested in this overlap and me and my boyfriend often talk about the large contiguities between these two genres and I wonder if anyone has written extensively about it?
― plax (ico), Saturday, 19 September 2020 20:57 (three years ago) link
Sorry, list is https://docfilms.uchicago.edu/dev/calendar/2019/winter/fridays.shtml
― plax (ico), Saturday, 19 September 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link
Particularly intrigued by the insane-sounding fuller picture from 1964 that I have never heard of
― plax (ico), Saturday, 19 September 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link
the naked kiss bangs. it went public domain for a while so there are free/shitty/direct from VHS copies floating around that are varying shades of watchable - i think it's worth paying to see a good/criterion version
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link
sudden fear is also dope
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link
Yah sudden fear is amazing. I watched it on YouTube once (mistitled 'who is the cast and who is the mouse' out something) and was so delighted when I realised Gloria Graham was in it!
― plax (ico), Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link
Both ophuls films are amazing, my favourite bel geddes performance and my favourite Joan Bennett performance. The reckless moment is the classic of this genre for me fuck Mildred pierce
― plax (ico), Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link
The Naked Kiss is awesome, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
― Nhex, Sunday, 20 September 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link
THE STAR with Bette Davis & Sterling Hayden is the one that immediately springs to mind. Same year as Sudden Fear, Joan won over Bette I think
+ FLAMINGO ROAD !!!!!!
other great ones I can think of:
Leave Her to HeavenNot WantedDon't Bother to KnockAnother Man's Poison (not as good as Now, Voyager but noir & lots of overlap/same crew)Crime of Passion (minor Stanwyck, decent Hayden)Daisy KenyonLuredThe Petrified ForestLuredDead RingerStrait-JacketBlack Widow [1954]Thirst & Dreams by Bergman
― flappy bird, Sunday, 20 September 2020 04:44 (three years ago) link
thats a typo Lured isn't *that* good
Joan is the star of the genre for sure.
What is interesting i guess is how the women's noir sees the immediate post-war curtailment of women's social positions as a landscape of moral hazard. It is the moral ambiguity of this transitional moment of the late 40s that animates the peril of these films.
Joan was perfectly positioned for this, she was always playing a woman threatened to be cast back to wherever she came from (the bride wore red, the women, there are better examples from the 30s but I can't think of them this instant...). Her hardened stoicism in Mildred pierce and similar seems borne of something inherent in her earlier star image.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 20 September 2020 06:44 (three years ago) link
Marked woman is too early to be noir but feels like an early example of this.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 20 September 2020 07:12 (three years ago) link
On dangerous ground always feels like a very dark Sirk film to me
Ida lupino is Jane Wyman in magnificent obsession
― plax (ico), Sunday, 20 September 2020 07:13 (three years ago) link
IS Jane Wyman IN
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 20 September 2020 14:45 (three years ago) link
daisy kenyon is one i had a very emotional connection/reaction to.
― wasdnous (abanana), Monday, 21 September 2020 06:25 (three years ago) link
Just watched Phantom Lady for the first time. The jazz/drumming sequence, holy crap! I’m on a mission to watch everything Siodmak directed.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9e/38/47/9e38477364f486b9bf6bb1cf7d7f0b6b.gif
― scampo-phenique (WmC), Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
Elisha Cook gives it everything in that scene, the only way to go since he obv doesn't know how to play the drums.
― scampo-phenique (WmC), Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link
He’s great in everything I’ve ever seen him in. Regis Rooney’s gum-chewing copper is a good bit part. And I don’t believe I’ve ever seen another film with Ella Raines, she was really lovely.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
Toomey, damn spellcheck.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link
And I don’t believe I’ve ever seen another film with Ella Raines, she was really lovely.
My fave noir-era actress. Phantom Lady is the first in a terrific run from '44 to '49 - also includes Hail the Conquering Hero, Tall in the Saddle, The Suspect, The Strange Affair of Uncle Harry, The Web, The Walking Hills
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 31 October 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link
Thought for a LONG time that Phantom Lady was the first time I'd seen GENE TIERNEY, not Ella Raines. Such a great movie. Cry of the City and, to a lesser extent, Criss Cross are both very good noirs by Siodmak.
watched The Big Heat for the first time the other night, obviously great. First time I've liked Glenn Ford in anything--cruelty suits him more than something like, uh, Gilda (so overrated)
― flappy bird, Sunday, 1 November 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link
Murder by Contract is very good, a real American antecedent to New Wave gangster riffs and Tarantino w/ the surf rock. Austerity everywhere, bland cruelty, nothing to do but die.
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 November 2020 05:51 (three years ago) link
idk, it starts off great and with shades and surf guitar but the plotting gets dafter and it sortof runs out of interest in itself. distinctive enough to be interesting tho.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 8 November 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
idk who did the costumes for phantom lady but its peculiarly elegant for a '40s noir. was shocked it was '44, Tone's outfits and the black suit with collarless blouse worn by raines are gorgeous and the *tacky* outfit raines wears to woo the drummer is hilarious! the hat!
― plax (ico), Sunday, 8 November 2020 16:12 (three years ago) link
In my house we call Glenn Ford The World's Angriest Man, which is why it's so hilarious that he was cast as Pa Kent in the 1978 Superman. The Glenn Ford of the 1950s would have immediately attempted to murder that alien baby.
Yeah, I like this one a lot, too.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 8 November 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link
Anyone watched The Chase on Criterion? Robert Cummings finds a wallet and ends up working for a thug (a brooding Steve Cochran) and his henchman (Peter Lorre.) Of course there's a dame, and complications ensue. Based on a novel by Cornell Woolrich, who's always good for a far-fetched plot contrivance or three. Fun.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
Somewhere in the Night, currently on Criterion, is worth a watch. Directed by Joseph Mankiewicz, with a cast of mostly B-listers (John Hodiak, Nancy Guild.) Super convoluted plot.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Friday, 26 November 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
this was great! thanks. She was only fine, lol they clearly were looking for knockoff bacall but she was so nancy drew. He was weirdly hot though.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
lol yeah Nancy Drew otm. So many great bit parts and scenes: Turkish baths! Fortune tellers! Chinese restaurant ("I never eat lunch!) Waterfront gospel mission! Sanitarium! that never coalesce, but ultimately it doesn't matter. I thought it was really fun.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link
The chinese restaurant was so good! The eating was unusually naturalistic, really felt like they were sitting around having lunch, very unusual. Little touches like that. Mankievic's chatty cosy insider stuff came across more realistic and charming than I often find it and the mystery really keeps you guessing all the way through! I only half guessed the ending.
Randomly I ended up watching Desert Fury last night without realising that my new dreamboat John Hodiak was also in it. So brilliant, maybe a perfect cast. Really bananas gay (not-very-)subtexts all over the place. Absolutely hands down Edith heads masterpiece as well. I was hypnotised by lizabeth scott's outfits. The only other technicolor noir I know is leave her to heaven. what else is there?
― plax (ico), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link
I've watched the two color "noir" films currently on Criterion, "Niagara" (which I had somehow only ever seen the first 30 minutes of before) and "Black Widow." Both are good. I'm sure others will come to mind. Thx for the Desert Fury tip.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link
I really like "Niagara" for various reasons.
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:42 (two years ago) link
Oh i love niagara, but only watched it recently and didn't think of it! Black widow I haven't seen though...
― plax (ico), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:53 (two years ago) link
I once saw niagara presented by laura mulvey and jacqueline rose
― plax (ico), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link
Wow
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
I guess one obvious thing to like about it is Monroe not doing comedy. Not because her comedy is bad but...
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
There's also Slightly Scarlet - based on a James M Cain novel, colour cinematography by John Alton:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slightly_Scarlet_(1956_film)
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
Starring or co-starring the late Arlene Dahl! It's good!
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
House of Bamboo doesn't use Technicolor™ but it's a good one.
― adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:11 (two years ago) link
So no Natalie Kalmus needed on that set then.
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:14 (two years ago) link
Can’t read all this now but seems like some interesting details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Kalmus#Kalmus's_color_chart,_1932
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link
"Black Widow" used to show on TMC a lot, it's kind of trashy but worth a watch. The trailer basically gives away all the plot points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIx8x7yyNA0
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link
lol black widow has such a weird cast, would watch literally anything with gene tierney tho!
― plax (ico), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link
I didn't know about natalie kalmus -- very interesting!
― adam t. (abanana), Friday, 3 December 2021 03:59 (two years ago) link
going to give gun crazy a go tonight wish me luck
― plax (ico), Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link
Good luck!
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:09 (two years ago) link
i've been watching the fox noir on criterion channel. Hangover Square, Somewhere in the Night, The Sound of Fury (a.k.a. Try and Get Me) were all very good movies. It's a shame that old movies with big stars still get most of the attention while there are so many worthy movies without the big names.
― adam t. (abanana), Monday, 6 December 2021 00:24 (two years ago) link
Had totally forgotten about this thread, which is still a great resource---totally agree w Michael Atkinson way upthread, about expecting to see "new" noirs, from 194x etc., "in my dotage"; in fact it's happening now. Also agree with myself way upthread, about what Act of Violence explained:Shit you can't take back, no matter how much you pay, which is my definition of film noir, or at least the part that lures me the most--along w continued proximity of mental-emotional collapse. This includes movies about obsession w revenge---total focus, the purpose-driven life---driving over a cliff, or pert near. This last could be the spacey momentum of Point Blank(Richard Stark/Donald Westlake has commented that his character doesn't really know what he wants, past a vanishing point of so-far-so-good/bad)(in that sense, he is Parker before Parker, re the series of crime novels: in there,P Parker doesn't give a shit about anything but the next heist---not what the money can buy, not nothin' but the plan and the payoff and a little chaos along the way, apparently, cos he must know by now it will always happen.The purpose-driven life driving over a cliff is more Get Carter, which is somewhat like The Sopranos before The Sopranos, in terms of colorful scary humor and scariness, also women in the midst of all this macho bullshit as a given.Also in No Country For Old Men, when the young widow asks him why, after all the shit he's gotten back and done, he's going to kill her. "I promised your husband I would, " he admits sadly. Also the sense toward the end that if/when there are only stray parts left of him lately, they will keep clattering along like cans tied to the back of an old car with a tail sign that reads, "Just Married."(After a month of Lou Reed talk on ILM, Bogie's suffering committed asshole in In A Lonely Place seems more like Morb's take than ever.)
― dow, Monday, 6 December 2021 04:33 (two years ago) link
Sorry for typos in there---in terms of noir in the first great decade or so:Think it was Last (x) Movies where I had a good conversation about Nightmare Alley, but might be too spoiler-y for some---but from the same thread (didn't know about this one, it's great):
― dow, Thursday, July 6, 2017 5:11 PMAlso liked the three versions of Postman I've seen, was disappointed by Double Indemnity, despite being a Stanwyck stan.
― dow, Wednesday, August 2, 2017Oh yeah, andClash By Night seems spiritually noir, kind of a sun-and-moonlight, healthy sea air Nightmare Alley: Stanwyck finally comes back because she has nowhere else to go, and when Ryan sees her again, neither does he, not that he was all healthy before. Her husband is delusional, Uncle Billy is silly with demented malice, on a spree.
― dow, Thursday, August 3, 2017
― dow, Monday, 6 December 2021 04:40 (two years ago) link
Working my way through those Indicator boxes the main revelation has been Richard Quine - his noirs are really twisted and sexual, you can see how he'd be attracted to comedy as a genre but make no mistake they're bleak as fuck. Drive A Crooked Road features a great perf from Mickey Rooney (!) as a sexually repressed car mechanic taken as a patsy by femme fatale Dianne Foster and her homoerotically charged muscle beach boyfriend; Pushover combines Double Indemnity (Fred MacMurray seduced into wrongdoings) with Rear Window (he's a cop on a stakeout voyeuristic not just towards his target but also her neighbours). Don't wanna oversell its feminism but the first 20 minutes or so especially are pretty hardcore in showing male manipulativeness and the film also does some interesting stuff with the femme fatale archetype. Also very in line with Elmore Leonard's summation of the essential message of noir: you're fucked.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 December 2021 09:27 (two years ago) link
drive a crooked road was also co written w blake edwards
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 6 December 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
gun crazy is wild, i'm a little unaware of its rep, but the cinematography is crazy and it has such strong new-wave features bits of it are so strongly godard/altman. I've never heard of it as a cahiers classic but it felt like a real rosetta stone, particularly the shots filmed from over the leads shoulders driving to the stick-ups, improvising dialogue. really like nothing i've seen in an american film from that period. having a great time itt lately. in a real noir mood.
― plax (ico), Monday, 6 December 2021 19:39 (two years ago) link
Same here. I don't have time at the moment to list/discuss, but I've just seen a bunch.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 6 December 2021 20:04 (two years ago) link
I don't think there's much in it that feels similar to Gun Crazy's vibe, but I highly encourage you to delve further into the works of Joseph H. Lewis if you haven't - for some reason these days he's often used as a punching bag for ppl wishing to minimize the auteur theory, but dude had a crazy sense of visuals and made a buncha great films. Especially recommend The Big Combo (one of the most stylized noirs I've ever seen, great world weary monologues, Lee van Cleef!), My Name Is Julia Ross (b movie entry into Hollywood's post-Rebecca gothic cycle, tense as fuck, kind've a subversion of the genre as the protagonist refuses to be gaslit) and Terror In A Texas Town (western, Sterling Hayden with a preposterous Swedish accent and a hook weapon).
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 10:57 (two years ago) link
Hangover Square has been rising in my estimation since I watched it on Criterion Channel. Has an opening that matches the best of Sam Fuller. Also made Stephen Sondheim's list of 40 favorite movies that's been going around a little, along with some other noirs. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/stephen-sondheim-40-favourite-films-of-all-time/
― Chris L, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 12:21 (two years ago) link
Classics I had somehow never seen previously:
Out of the Past
In a Lonely Place
Other new watches:
The Big Steal (Really didn't care for this one much; too much screwball comedy.)
Where Danger Lives (LOVED this. My kind of noir, a descent from passion into madness. "If you take her, it's a long road. There's no turning back.")
Rewatched:
His Kind of Woman (Saw this many years ago and I could remember nothing of the plot or who was in it. I could really only recall the amazing set design of Morro Lodge. I like this one, although Vincent Price turns the third act way too comedic.)
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
In a Lonely Place is such a monster.
― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link
gloria graham is so good in in a lonely place that nobody ever talks about how good she is in a woman's secret
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 18:18 (two years ago) link
Bande a Parte (1964) one of my fave Godards, and despite the why-not dance sequence, which fits tonally, it's mostly "Hey, Asshole" and plot twists in the back and sideways.
― dow, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link
I don't think there's much in it that feels similar to Gun Crazy's vibe, but I highly encourage you to delve further into the works of Joseph H. Lewis if you haven't― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 10:57 (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I think the only other one by him I've seen is the big combo actually based on this thread. I have not come across these movies in most lists/overviews. Honestly those two are kindof how Fuller has been described to me but I found them both more convincing than anything by fuller.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link
Didn't want to let this one pass without emphasizing that it's very, very good - one of my faves of Fuller.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 23:49 (two years ago) link
Yeah, House of Bamboo is great. Some amazing footage of Tokyo and Yokohama in it.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 00:30 (two years ago) link
Yeah, you can tell Fuller had the intelligence to actually look around himself and explore Japanese culture.
The yakuza jazz dance party is awesome.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:24 (two years ago) link
Watched Black Widow, which was enjoyable enough, but as with so many of the mid-range noirs, it has a good first half but only a so-so second half. The resolving of a mystery is never as good as the mystery itself, I guess.
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 26 December 2021 11:35 (two years ago) link
"Try and Get Me" (aka "The Sound of Fury") mentioned above is an odd little film; not exactly noir, more crime melodrama with some preachy social-justice angles in the third act. Lloyd Bridges is insanely over-the-top as the bad guy. It drove me crazy trying to place where I had just seen the star, Frank Lovejoy, who plays a great everyman in over his head; he also played Brub in "In A Quiet Place" the same year. Currently on Criterion, but not part of the Fox Noir package.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 27 December 2021 17:53 (two years ago) link
I should add I liked it a lot, much of it is resonating with me the day after viewing. And if the central message of noir is, as noted above "you're fucked," then this movie is definitely noir.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 27 December 2021 22:25 (two years ago) link
a good first half but only a so-so second half.
yup, great starts are comparatively easy but wholly satisfying endings are very hard
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 27 December 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link
I watched Desert Fury last night, part of this month's Criterion Technicolor noir series. I'm not sure what makes this a noir at all, it seemed to me much more a sub-Douglas Sirk overwrought melodrama. It's plenty weird though, and interesting for sure.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 5 July 2022 16:08 (one year ago) link
I'm no film noir maven, but I'll toss in another vote for Pickup on South Street. Widmark is damn near perfect in his role.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 July 2022 17:01 (one year ago) link
I am a huge fan of Ross MacDonald's Lew Archer books, but have never seen the two that were adapted into movies (Harper and The Drowning Pool).
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 5 July 2022 17:08 (one year ago) link
If 'M' is considered noir, wouldn't it be the earliest?― oops (Oops), Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:34 AM (eighteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― oops (Oops), Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:34 AM (eighteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
People don't talk about proto-noir as much as I'd like. (Mind you, by "proto-noir" I mean certain deservedly obscure silent and pre-code films.) German expressionism, along with American crime/gangster films and French poetic realism, contributed to what people generally recognize as film noir.
If anyone here hasn't seen M (Lang, 1931), do so ASAP. Other proto-noir recommendations available on request.
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Tuesday, 5 July 2022 19:09 (one year ago) link
I haven't even heard of a couple of these:
https://crimereads.com/10-underappreciated-american-neo-noirs-of-the-early-1970s/
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 20:53 (one year ago) link
Received a blu-ray of Phantom Lady for Xmas and watched it for the second time tonight. Just a fantastic film. It’s pretty boilerplate for awhile, with the “wronged man convicted of killing his wife sent off to the gallows” aspect, which could have led in any number of less interesting directions, but choosing to follow Ella Raines as the framed guy’s lovelorn associate, and her tenacious and dangerous pursuit of the real culprit (who is hell-bent on silencing witnesses) is pretty great. She’s second-billed in this film but it’s a true star vehicle, and one of the great sequences in noir is when she turns up at a theater to flirt with and seduce and shortly thereafter drive absolutely crazy Elisha Cook Jr while attempting to get to the bottom of his part in the twisted story.
― omar little, Friday, 6 January 2023 05:58 (one year ago) link
my kid announced he was kinda tired of watching MCU films and picked Kiss Me Deadly last night out of a few options. I think he loved it beyond being thoroughly mystified by Marian Carr as Carl Evello’s sister Friday, and her very strong immediate affection for Mike Hammer upon meeting him. (me: “that kind of thing doesn’t usually happen.”) Meeker is probably underrated as an actor who possesses a lot of charisma and presence, he’s quite a nasty force in this film and yet not entirely unsympathetic, despite his frequent use of brute force, bullying and slapping around half the people he meets, and despite being a callous meathead to the women around him (tho he is almost gentle with the women around him a lot of the time, and seems mainly motivated to avenge the death of a woman he barely knew.) The energy of the film is one of its primary drivers and the direction isn’t flashy but its perfect throughout in terms of framing and camera movements that don’t draw attention to themselves. It’s still almost heartbreaking to see all the scenes filmed in the Bunker Hill neighborhood of Los Angeles, and how it used to be.
side note — Maxine Cooper (who played Velda) was really something else:
Cooper married Sy Gomberg, a screenwriter and producer, in 1957.[1] She left the acting profession in the early 1960s in order to raise her family.[1]Gomberg and her husband became active members of the Hollywood activist community. She helped to organize groups of actors, writers and studio executives to participate in marches with Martin Luther King Jr. in Montgomery, Alabama, during the 1960s.[1] Cooper also led campaigns against House Un-American Activities Committee's Hollywood blacklists.[3] She also spearheaded protests by those in the entertainment industry against nuclear weapons, the Vietnam War, and other causes.[1]Gomberg briefly returned to her acting roots during the 1970s.[3] She made a cameo appearance as herself in the 1975 television series Fear on Trial, which starred George C. Scott as John Henry Faulk, a blacklisted 1950s television and radio host.[3]Gomberg became a photographer during her later life. Her photographs were used to illustrate a book by Howard Fast entitled The Art of Zen Meditation. The Los Angeles Times referred to the book as "beautiful" in a 1977 book review when referring to her photographs.[1]
Gomberg and her husband became active members of the Hollywood activist community. She helped to organize groups of actors, writers and studio executives to participate in marches with Martin Luther King Jr. in Montgomery, Alabama, during the 1960s.[1] Cooper also led campaigns against House Un-American Activities Committee's Hollywood blacklists.[3] She also spearheaded protests by those in the entertainment industry against nuclear weapons, the Vietnam War, and other causes.[1]
Gomberg briefly returned to her acting roots during the 1970s.[3] She made a cameo appearance as herself in the 1975 television series Fear on Trial, which starred George C. Scott as John Henry Faulk, a blacklisted 1950s television and radio host.[3]
Gomberg became a photographer during her later life. Her photographs were used to illustrate a book by Howard Fast entitled The Art of Zen Meditation. The Los Angeles Times referred to the book as "beautiful" in a 1977 book review when referring to her photographs.[1]
― omar little, Sunday, 15 January 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link
watched THE GLASS KEY last night, and it’s a good one. You can really see a lot of Miller’s Crossing in this, but the shifting loyalties are less of a plot point, and the ending isn’t the same bittersweet one but rather a happy one. Brian Donlevy is really great as the powerful political boss who’s also a lovelorn rube a bit in over his head. Alan Ladd and Veronica Lake make quite a pair, lots of heat but it simmers throughout the film rather than getting consummated early. The plot is just really interesting for a noir, as one might expect since it’s based on the Hammett novel, and the nameless mid-size eastern city/right-hand man pulling the strings/possible femme fatale with a loser brother is really most of what the Coens borrowed for their own film. It fits a ton of plot into a runtime under 90 min. The direction is fairly boilerplate, and not very overtly stylish, but Stuart Heisler did a really fine job of giving the film a lot of real city life energy (tho it looks like it was all sets.)
― omar little, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:18 (one year ago) link
the book itself is also very much where Millers Dialogue comes from. I dont' remember the movie well enough to remember how much it kept to that but all that language... I always remember lines like "see where the twist flops".
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 20:32 (one year ago) link
Saw the pretty good Dont Bother to Knock, which may not be too noir-y besides the fact it was introduced by eddie muller on TCM. We couldn't get out in front of the plot, which was a pretty good sign
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 20:36 (one year ago) link
watched THE GLASS KEY last night, and it’s a good one. You can really see a lot of Miller’s Crossing in this,
but is there a gay love triangle? asking for a friend
― Pierre Delecto, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 20:38 (one year ago) link
my kid announced he was kinda tired of watching MCU films and picked Kiss Me Deadly last night out of a few options.
This sentence is like if Upworthy made headlines tailored to me.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 19 January 2023 10:58 (one year ago) link
Can anyone remember a noir set in a small farming town, an ensemble piece, where Jack Palance plays a heavy? Maybe an Aldrich. Saw it at the Cinematheque about 15 years ago but can’t remember what it was called.
Does “Letter from an unknown woman” count, structurally at least, as a sort of noir? If so, then that. I’ll be damned if I can remember a sadder film.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 19 January 2023 11:05 (one year ago) link
Sudden Fear?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 January 2023 11:16 (one year ago) link
City Slickers?
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 19 January 2023 11:19 (one year ago) link
Shane?
― The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 January 2023 12:10 (one year ago) link
Watched Phantom Lady last night, thanks to a recommendation upthread. A great noir, although like many it goes slightly off the boil once the mystery is revealed and you wait for things to play out. But Ella Raines is absolutely luminous in this, I wonder why she wasn't a bigger star. It's free on YouTube btw
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 19 January 2023 22:11 (one year ago) link
That the one with the best drum solo in cinema history?
― dan selzer, Thursday, 19 January 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link
Yep!
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 20 January 2023 00:09 (one year ago) link
Elisha Cook Jr def one of the great character actors of the era
― dan selzer, Friday, 20 January 2023 00:26 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yushXLcMalE
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 22 January 2023 14:12 (one year ago) link
^that’s not going to be the famous Out of the Past parody “Out of Gas,” is it?
― Cry for a Shadowgraph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2023 14:18 (one year ago) link
Oh wait, that’s Aubrey Plaza. From last night, I guess.
― Cry for a Shadowgraph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2023 14:24 (one year ago) link
Yeah, it's a sketch from last night.
I just checked, and the only thing on YouTube from Mitchum's episode that he actually appears in is his brief monologue.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 22 January 2023 14:46 (one year ago) link
in 1987, robert mitchum & jane greer reunited to star in an snl parody of their film out of the past (1947) called out of gas pic.twitter.com/dAtbVzq7ZR— ana (@pelicinema) November 10, 2022
here is the rest of the sort of odd yet endearing skit pic.twitter.com/9KUuKnK9YA— ana (@pelicinema) November 10, 2022
Playback on the second part is acting up for me.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 22 January 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link
Same for me. First part was excellent though.
― Cry for a Shadowgraph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2023 15:30 (one year ago) link
Only goes around fourteen seconds.
― Cry for a Shadowgraph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2023 16:47 (one year ago) link
Mitchum looks like George Kennedy.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 January 2023 16:48 (one year ago) link
Lol
― Cry for a Shadowgraph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2023 16:48 (one year ago) link
Did it for me too, when it got unstuck the audio was completely out of synch.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 22 January 2023 18:44 (one year ago) link
It gets unstuck but then there's no audio at all after a certain point. I got the gag at least. Did you see the writer/director credit at the end?
― Cry for a Shadowgraph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2023 19:08 (one year ago) link
Okay, now I heard the rest.
― Cry for a Shadowgraph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link
Yeah, it was made by his daughter, and I assume the kid was his grandson?
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 22 January 2023 19:35 (one year ago) link
Irl grandson.
Yup.
― Cry for a Shadowgraph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2023 20:11 (one year ago) link
Makes total sense now.
Last time I remember discussing this was here: Robert Mitchum C/D, S/D
― Cry for a Shadowgraph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2023 20:55 (one year ago) link
I managed to watch all of the "leaving soon" noir on Criterion, last two were The House on Telegraph Hill (more gothic melodrama than noir, with echoes of Rebecca, but fun nonetheless) and The Breaking Point (Michael Curtiz' reworking of To Have and Have Not) which Criterion calls "daylight noir," and which is wonderfully scripted, acted, and shot.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link
Mister, you’re a better man than I.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
Watched Criss Cross last night, which is a good film in its own right, but the excellent location shooting sent me down a several hour rabbit hole learning about Bunker Hill, the Angels Flight funicular and more.
http://americanfilmnoir.com/page19.html
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 6 February 2023 20:44 (one year ago) link
^That's funny; I recently watched Kiss Me Deadly, and the BD bonus disc had a featurette on Bunker Hill. I wasn't aware of the neighborhood's history (and I've lived in L.A. a long time, have been to Angels Flight, etc.).
Just revisited Act of Violence – it's one of my all-time favorite, I guess movies, ever. I see it's been discussed a bunch on this thread, so nothing really to say about it, beyond – what a remarkable film. (Anyone who hasn't seen it should go in as "fresh" as possible, without reading too much...). By the way, that one also has a few great Bunker Hill scenes.
― unknown blues singer (morrisp), Saturday, 25 February 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link
The Big Lebowski
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 25 February 2023 14:00 (one year ago) link
Great line in Detour (1945), truck driver to diner waitress:“Hey, Glamorous… gimme change for a dime, willya?”
― unknown blues singer (morrisp), Monday, 27 February 2023 05:45 (one year ago) link
Greil Marcus had a big write-up on Odds Against Tomorrow in connection with Harry Belafonte today:
https://greilmarcus.substack.com/p/real-life-rock-top-10-may-2023
Paywall, probably...Never seen it. I notice it's on YouTube, may watch tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSzDfNn3kYc
― clemenza, Friday, 5 May 2023 21:54 (one year ago) link
Ryan and Winters – what a pairing. I love Rob't Ryan so much...
― Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2023 22:02 (one year ago) link
Isn’t that a Robert Wise film? Have always wanted to see it but world enough and time etc.
― Because the Nighttoad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 May 2023 22:08 (one year ago) link
Abraham Polonsky.
― clemenza, Friday, 5 May 2023 22:12 (one year ago) link
You're right--written by A.P.
― clemenza, Friday, 5 May 2023 22:13 (one year ago) link
Great film, wonderful enraged sweaty Belafonte song performance.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 6 May 2023 12:53 (one year ago) link
The film was nominated for a Golden Globe award for Motion Picture Promoting International Understanding.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 May 2023 13:14 (one year ago) link
https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/c/c6/Springfield_Civic_Center_%28Brother%2C_Can_You_Spare_Two_Dimes%3F%29.png
― niall horanburger (cryptosicko), Saturday, 6 May 2023 14:50 (one year ago) link
Watched Pickup on South Street this morning, through a fog of tiredness and hangover (the quintessential conditions for noir-viewing, in honesty). Found it kinda flimsy at the level of plot and character motivation but dang, the violence was visceral and shocking. Kind of stunned it got through the censors in 1953? Standout was obviously Thelma Ritter, who came on like a character out of Dostoevsky. Her death scene is utterly heart-wrenching.
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Saturday, 6 May 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link
I watched it recently, too... as I think I mentioned on the TCM thread, the biggest issue for me wasn't that I didn't share the film's affection for the Richard Widmark character as a sympathetic rogue; it just didn't seem to do anything to establish his likability, or why Jean Peters would be drawn to him. (The scene where he stands over Peters in his shack, after knocking her out cold, and the camera/music are kind of leering in a titillated fashion was just... uncomfortable.) It had some good aspects, tho.
― Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Saturday, 6 May 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link
Thelma Ritter walks in and knocks the movie over imo
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 May 2023 19:20 (one year ago) link
Wham! Like two taxis coming together on Broadway!
― Because the Nighttoad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 May 2023 19:34 (one year ago) link
Sorry, wrong Thelma Ritter movie.
― Because the Nighttoad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 May 2023 19:35 (one year ago) link
Probably the wrong thread for Odds Against Tomorrow; heist films are adjacent to noir, with some overlap, but to me they're a little different.
Disorienting to see '70s guys Richard Bright (Al Neri in The Godfather) and MASH's Wayne Rogers. (Also Zohra Lampert.) When Ed Begley assures everyone "It's gonna work," he's like the character who goes downstairs with a flashlight in a horror film: "What's wrong with you--haven't you ever seen a heist film before?" Anyway, while I wouldn't rank it with The Killing or The Asphalt Jungle, it was good. How did Robert Wise go from this to his oversized road-show films of the '60s?
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 May 2023 03:01 (one year ago) link
The Peter Principle?
― Cosmo’s Hacienda (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 May 2023 04:31 (one year ago) link
Saw Odd Man Out with James Mason a few months ago and it's such a bare bones no-fat noir against a running clock. It's stayed with me ever since.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 7 May 2023 13:28 (one year ago) link
Can’t fault the accent work
― michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 13:30 (one year ago) link
he's beautiful
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 13:32 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Aij9Hj6.jpg
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 7 May 2023 14:00 (one year ago) link
Odd Man Out gets better with every viewing.
― Cosmo’s Hacienda (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 May 2023 14:02 (one year ago) link
Was one of the few I disliked back in college movie classes, but I owe it a rewatch
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Sunday, 7 May 2023 14:05 (one year ago) link
I fell asleep multiple times the first time I watched it, but that often happens when I am especially stressed or sleep-deprived.
― Cosmo’s Hacienda (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 May 2023 14:10 (one year ago) link
Carol Reed is terrific generally.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 14:18 (one year ago) link
Yes. Even like that one in the tropical paradise with Trevor Howard, Outcast of the Islands.
― Cosmo’s Hacienda (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 May 2023 14:23 (one year ago) link
Find myself re-watching They Live By Night more than maybe any other film? Not quite yearly but gotta be close.
― ian, Friday, 19 May 2023 01:21 (one year ago) link
I got ahold of The Asphalt Jungle on Blu-ray... as with others I've watched recently, it's one I've seen in the past, and certain lines/characters were dimly familiar (but I remembered nothing else about it).
The first strike is that it was filmed almost entirely on a studio lot (no actual city streets), which is kind of a bummer for a movie like this. Plus, it's set in a generic Midwestern city (that's not Chicago or Cleveland); so it lacks even an attempt at geographic specificity.
Beyond that – it's a long, somewhat slow & plodding film about a not-very-interesting heist and its not-very-interesting aftermath. If they had tightened it up by 30 mins or so, it may have played better? – but as it stand, most scenes feel roughly the same length, with actors circling the set, visibly hitting their marks, and chewing the scenery a bit (Sterling Hayden is an exception, but he also doesn't quite seem to know what to do with his character). The best performance (IMO) is by Louis Calhern, as the caddish lawyer who "finances" the heist.
There's also a super awkward "thin blue line"–type speech by the police commissioner at the end; I assume the studio required this, to compensate for the crooked-cop character, but oy. I did like the swing dance scene in the diner.
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Saturday, 10 June 2023 22:49 (eleven months ago) link
Yeah Asphalt Jungle is a plodder
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Saturday, 10 June 2023 22:52 (eleven months ago) link
There's a YouTube channel that posts full length film noirs frequently often reasonable enough quality. The films themselves are a mixture of classics and a good dose of by-the-yard b movies starring people with names assembled from the names of bigger stars. A date with dignity starring Rita Hayes and Joseph Powell, that sort of thing. In general this golden era stuff seems increasingly unguarded by copyright claims. I've been wondering if studios have started writing off the last few years of copyright for large chucks of this beyond the obvious play it again Sam type perennials. Does anyone know if this is true or a totally spurious hunch?
Anyway I like it in the sense that it feels like catching a movie on TV in a way I have felt robbed of in recent years, it doesn't have to be any good (most aren't) but when you hit a seam it's good. For instance I had seen desert fury but nothing else with Lizbeth Scott and really enjoyed a couple of films where she was pure simple evil. Obviously this all applies to a far broader range of films than noir but it does fit that genre's ready-to-be-pulped appeal.
― plax (ico), Friday, 27 October 2023 07:58 (seven months ago) link
Sounds cool, what's the name of the channel?
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Friday, 27 October 2023 10:07 (seven months ago) link
Whenever I go searching for old films on YouTube, it seems that Warner Bros Inc still closely guard their back catalogue - other studios/rights holders, not so much. Boutique physical media labels like Indicator also tend to protect their remastered scans, for understandable reasons. When you go deep diving in places like YT or Vimeo you realise just how many films there are, and how quickly it became impossible to see everything in one lifetime.
Last noir I enjoyed on YT - Preminger's Where the Sidewalk Ends.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 27 October 2023 10:27 (seven months ago) link
In general this golden era stuff seems increasingly unguarded by copyright claims. I've been wondering if studios have started writing off the last few years of copyright for large chucks of this beyond the obvious play it again Sam type perennials. Does anyone know if this is true or a totally spurious hunch?
Good question! I do have success finding old stuff on YT more often than I'd think - but it's also true that when I then suscribe to these channels they get taken down on a pretty regular basis.
Then there's the wild west of DailyMotion...
I went the pricier route of b noir by buying all of those Indicator Columbia box sets - I can't say that they justify the price but they did leave me with a larger appreciation of people like Lizbeth Scott, Dan Duryea, director Phil Karlson.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 27 October 2023 10:29 (seven months ago) link
and how quickly it became impossible to see everything in one lifetime.
Well you're never gonna get there with that attitude!
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 27 October 2023 10:30 (seven months ago) link
not noir, but this week I was ill off work and watched a bunch of Jean Arthur movies. All the classic ones were easy to find on YT.
the noir channel i use is literally the one that comes up if you type 'film noir' into the search bar. its called dk classics ii
― plax (ico), Friday, 27 October 2023 10:37 (seven months ago) link
it seems to have been around for ages. But yeah when one gets yanked there's never a lack of other channels.
― plax (ico), Friday, 27 October 2023 10:38 (seven months ago) link
Cool, thanks.I don't noir much during the summer for some reason, but looking for"ard to diving back in soon...
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Friday, 27 October 2023 11:44 (seven months ago) link
sounds like a Criterion Channel playlist..."Summer Noir"
― dan selzer, Friday, 27 October 2023 11:49 (seven months ago) link
The summer noirCame creeping inFrom a dark alley
― Chris L, Friday, 27 October 2023 12:08 (seven months ago) link
I recently came across a new website devoted to film noir, but I lost the link. It had the movies sorted into around 4 ranks. Seemed to be a single guy doing the whole site. Does this ring a bell to anyone?
― formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 27 October 2023 14:28 (seven months ago) link
I recently heard about "Ride the Pink Horse" (via a recommendation); I see it's been discussed somewhat extensively above. I'll have to check it out... (hard not to hear the title in the cadence of a certain Laid Back song).
― Girl (1956) (morrisp), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:41 (seven months ago) link
The summer noirCame creeping inFrom a dark alleySmelling like gin
― nickn, Friday, 27 October 2023 16:19 (seven months ago) link
Anyway I like it in the sense that it feels like catching a movie on TV in a way I have felt robbed of in recent years, it doesn't have to be any good (most aren't) but when you hit a seam it's good.
Totally feeling this. Although we have multitudinous cable channels, there's none showing the kind of stuff that used to be on late night TV. (Criterion is great but it's mostly too curated to show B-grade cheapies.) I'll watch almost any 40s/50s crime drama regardless of quality. I just love looking at the suits/dresses, the cars, the architecture, the furnishings, and all the forgotten actors. It's my happy place.
I just watched Step Down to Terror, a 1958 remake of Hitchcock's Shadow of a Doubt starring Charles Drake and Colleen Miller.
― Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Friday, 27 October 2023 17:09 (seven months ago) link
I had never seen Lady in the Lake, currently on Criterion. Clever idea, bizarre execution.
― Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:11 (five months ago) link
A film professor of mine always showed it as a must-avoid example; he considered the first-person camera a fundamental misunderstanding of the medium.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 19:43 (five months ago) link
i watched suzhou river (2000) this week and parts of that are in first person. i thought it was effective but it's not the whole movie and it's about layers of fiction/perspective anyways so it might make more sense in that context
― na (NA), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 19:46 (five months ago) link
I actually enjoyed Lady in the Lake, but the first-person camera makes the movie kind of jokey in a bad way. Add to that the miscasting of Robert Montgomery as Marlowe, the stilted line delivery, and the overacting of several of the cast (looking at you, Jayne Meadows) and it's at least an interesting failure, almost a parody of the genre.
― Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 20:29 (five months ago) link
The novel is kind of an orphan.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 20:34 (five months ago) link
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0hC22q6VrsU/YPGRqq7kvXI/AAAAAAABwqY/5nTPtF0oPBci1-QrHrrMsa2rajzBTjzaQCNcBGAsYHQ/w640-h478/lady-in-the-lake-03.JPG
― Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 20:43 (five months ago) link
It is pretty remarkable how few successful experiments there are with first-person POV in film, or maybe how fundamentally ill-suited that device is to the medium. I went searching on ilx for a thread about it and sure enough there is one here, but it has scant examples, and the ones mentioned are the same few that I thought of off the top of my head. If any of you film aficionados in this thread wanna revive that one, would be interested to see if there's been further explorations of the conceit.
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 20:39 (five months ago) link
A little pricey after shipping--what isn't?--but these look pretty great.
― clemenza, Sunday, 17 December 2023 18:55 (five months ago) link
I watched *Night and the City*. Like a lot of noir, I would gladly have every frame of the thing on my wall; something about it being London just amplified all of that. Widmark is so good in it. So frantic and doomed.
Aside: is there a film that contains more running? I'm resisting Run Lola Run.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Sunday, 31 December 2023 13:21 (four months ago) link
Licorice Pizza?
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 31 December 2023 15:44 (four months ago) link
Forrest Gump?
― Godzilla Minus Zero/No Limit (morrisp), Sunday, 31 December 2023 16:30 (four months ago) link
chariots of fire obv
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 31 December 2023 16:31 (four months ago) link
Run Fatboy Run
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 31 December 2023 16:56 (four months ago) link
To get back on topic, I watched this recently and it works both as a noir and a comedy. Appreciate Bob Hope isn’t to everyone’s taste but Dorothy Lamour is a pretty enchanting love interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgIZZfG22wQ
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 31 December 2023 16:58 (four months ago) link
Lol what a weird cast!
― plax (ico), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:32 (four months ago) link
Sounds irresistibly horrible
― plax (ico), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:33 (four months ago) link
(Also Zohra Lampert.)
― dow, Monday, 1 January 2024 18:59 (four months ago) link
I have the urge to rewatch Douglas Sirk movies, and started with Lured (1947), the only one (easily) streaming. It’s described some places as a noir, but really really isn’t, by any measure. Lucille Ball is fantastic in it! It’s very well directed, naturally, though somewhat choppy…Anyway, the guy who wrote the screenplay, Leo Rosten – who sounds like a very interesting character (among many other things, he apparently coined that famous definition of “chutzpah”) – also provided the story (not screenplay) for a slightly earlier film with Ball – The Dark Corner – that one a true noir, it sounds really good, I’ll have to watch it soon.
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Saturday, 6 January 2024 07:22 (four months ago) link
…watching The Dark Corner now. Maybe I’m not in the right headspace, but it’s rough going… stilted, low-budget, dull.
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 05:02 (four months ago) link
most noirs low-budge tho, i thought dark corner was solid of its type but maybe lucy in a different setting doing a lot of the work"The film earned $1 million at the box office, less than the $1.2 million cost of production"not even that cheap by 1946 standards, 20th Century Fox B Movies do tend to look a bit anemic compared to the other big studios back in the day
― buzza, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 06:18 (four months ago) link
Yeah, maybe “cheap-looking” is a better descriptor…
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 06:30 (four months ago) link
Aw man, I’m sorry you didn’t like Dark Corner. I thought it was suitably shadowy and pulpy. Mark Stevens (who I don’t recall seeing in any other films) was good, Lucy is of course spunky, and William Bendix and Clifton Webb lend good support. I’ve watched far worse.
― Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 03:29 (four months ago) link
Is there another corner of cinema that gets explored so thoroughly as noir does? I think of noir and westerns as relatively equal parts of the classic Hollywood era, but in terms of say boutique label box sets noir has westerns beat so hard it ain't even funny.
Is the fact that it's not a "real" genre and thus you can explore further afield part of it?
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 10:50 (four months ago) link
Fedoras have retained cultural relevancy longer than Stetsons
― craning to be leather (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 13:14 (four months ago) link
Smoking vs. chewing tobacco
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 13:21 (four months ago) link
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, January 10, 2024 10:50 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
I wonder if another way of thinking about this is 'is there a competing aesthetic within american cinema of this period that holds a similar status as diagnosis of social and political neuroses?' I wonder if a tentative answer is screwball but that is more tightly bound to genre than noir is and relies on a kind of 'success' in a way noir doesn't. just a thought.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:32 (three months ago) link
Screwball and noir don't overlap really in terms of chronology, screwball p much done by the time noir comes around so they're diagnosing v different societies I think.
The western would once again lend itself to this kind of lens but I guess a lot of it, "psychological westerns" and such, register as noir to some extent.
Of course in the 50's you'd also have sci-fi, not really a fair comparison in terms of the talent involved but certainly another niche that has been deeply explored.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:43 (three months ago) link
Yeah, I think noir casts the biggest, um, shadow.
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:46 (three months ago) link
I Wouldn’t Be in Your Shoes, now on Criterion, is my kind of noir: pulpy Poverty Row murder mystery based on a Cornell Woolrich story, with a no-name cast (Don Castle and Elyse Knox) and where “Depressed and anxious, Tom impulsively throws his only pair of tap dancing shoes at howling cats outside his window” is a salient plot point.
― Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 15 February 2024 05:44 (three months ago) link
spent the past week or so watching a bunch of noir moviesdelights included these first-time watchesDetour (1945)I was middling on this until Ana Savage shows up and then hot damn boys we got us a movie. Super great. (Neal is a bit of a nothing though tbh?)In A Lonely Place (1950)Never seen Bogart play a character so menacing & unlikeable. Top shelf. Awesome twist at the end, so bleak. Ugh! Love. Based on novel written by dorothy b hughes who I am definitely going to seek out. Ride The Pink Horse (1947)Um is this the most perfect noir I’ve ever seen? Maybe. So grim & taut & the dialogue is crisp & funny, supporting actors are all terrific. Goddamn what a movie. Also this is another based on a novel written by Dorothy B Hughes, who promises to become my new favorite author based on this output.
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:07 (yesterday) link
The novel In a Lonely Place is vastly different from the film but very much worth reading, it's a little disorienting to read if you go in with any expectation that it will line up with the film, but I think both are brilliant in their own way.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:24 (yesterday) link
Interesting. Have always wondered about that one.
― Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 21:18 (yesterday) link
There is also the song by The Smithereens, which relies heavily on the film's catchphrase:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlOVlqUcB8A
― Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 21:20 (yesterday) link
Dorothy B Hughes is great!
― ian, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 21:28 (yesterday) link
Read another Arthur Lyons novel in his Jacob Asch series, and seems to me there's been some missed opportunities to make a particularly feverish, sweaty, nightmarish 1970s set private eye film based on one of those.
Good reminder that I'm overdue to watch Ride the Pink Horse.
― omar little, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 22:12 (yesterday) link
The novel of IN A LONELY PLACE is even more bleak than the film.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 30 May 2024 00:52 (thirteen hours ago) link
IALP is diffused a little for a having a protagonist/antagonist named Dix Steele.
"Hi! Dix Steele, meet I.Ron Johnson..."
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 May 2024 01:49 (twelve hours ago) link
xo to Omar -
iirc, Lyons was involved with a major film noir festival, so I bet he would have loved to see an Asch novel on film.
― ian, Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:04 (twelve hours ago) link
I read the plot summary for the novel of In A Lonely Place & my reaction was “100% Veg-bait”i mean: a serial killer moonlighting as a crime writer? sounds like a fever dream <3
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:25 (twelve hours ago) link
The novel of In a Lonely Place is SO GOOD!
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:29 (eleven hours ago) link
:D
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:34 (eleven hours ago) link
my local library has three of her novels on the shelf so i will def be grabbing those in the next day or two.
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:37 (eleven hours ago) link
The novel is excellent and is definitely in that 1940s/50s sub-genre of "the bad or mad guy is the protagonist", ie Jim Thompson, Patricia Highsmith etc. Another great one in that category is "Beast in View" by Margaret Millar.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:42 (eleven hours ago) link
ooh thx for the rec
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:54 (eleven hours ago) link
― ian, Wednesday, May 29, 2024 7:04 PMp-
still going strong, just celebrated 25 years!
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/palm-springs-film-noir-arthur-lyons-festival-25th-anniversary-1235992647/
― omar little, Thursday, 30 May 2024 03:23 (eleven hours ago) link
i keep my ear to the ground for these things normally, but events have had me distracted. gonna be on it for 2025, i hope. might make a desert trip.
― omar little, Thursday, 30 May 2024 03:24 (eleven hours ago) link
After Dark, My Sweet (James Foley, 1990) is probably my favourite neo-noir and the best Jim Thompson adaptation to date, just a hair above Serie Noire (1979). It really captures the bleakness and sadness of his novel, and it has career-best performances fromJason Patric, Rachel Ward, and Bruce Dern
― beamish13, Thursday, 30 May 2024 04:29 (nine hours ago) link
There’s a certain famous band who would lazily look at a calendar for a local repratory folk theater when they needed to come up with song titles and this gave us classics like In a Lonely Place, Cries and Whispers, Thieves Like Us, Age of Consent etc
― dan selzer, Thursday, 30 May 2024 11:32 (two hours ago) link
I thought New Order even wrote lyrics using Scrabble tiles
― beamish13, Thursday, 30 May 2024 13:34 (fifty-three minutes ago) link
"folk" should read "film" obv.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 30 May 2024 14:07 (twenty-one minutes ago) link