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www.ted.com - it's the next best thing to attending a university that actually brings in guest speakers

I've been watching Barry Schwartz talk about the miseries that choice can bring: http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/93

milo z, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 04:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

yes, it's pretty great!
a bit 'southern california will save the world!' but whatever, tons of great talks about all kinds of things! i played one on my radio show a couple weeks ago about growing new body parts - ooh

rrrobyn, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 04:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't like the slick advertising though. of course.

rrrobyn, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 04:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

e.g., bmw

rrrobyn, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 04:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

I can't sit through any of the videos. The speakers are okay, but I hate the self-important tone of the whole thing.

Dan I., Tuesday, 25 September 2007 05:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

^ weird. Some of these talks are fantastic.

"Amazing data visualizations" says I. "With the drama and urgency of a sportscaster, statistics guru Hans Rosling debunks myths about the so-called "developing world."" says TED. Way better than either of those makes it sound:
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen.html

ledge, Thursday, 27 August 2009 15:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

I can't sit through any of the videos. The speakers are okay, but I hate the self-important tone of the whole thing.

otm. these are basically decent college lectures...being presented as intellectual revelations that are going to change life as we know it.

iatee, Thursday, 27 August 2009 15:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

cynicism is easy

ledge, Thursday, 27 August 2009 15:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

so is self-importance!

iatee, Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think they are instructed by TED to pitch the talk towards further action ie not "this is what i have found" but "here is what we could do". they are all like that and often it is a little awkward.

the people vs peer gynt (goole), Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

The only one I've watched was the Benjamin Zander one on music and passion, really enjoyed that.

3 mods 1 banhammer (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 27 August 2009 18:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

(xp) Where you see self-importance I see optimism. And "here is what we could do", yeah that sounds optimistic too, what's awkward about that? And what's wrong with "decent college lectures"? I wish that half my college lectures had been this decent, plus I don't even go to college any more so where else canI see this kind of thing?

ledge, Thursday, 27 August 2009 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://academicearth.org/

iatee, Thursday, 27 August 2009 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

And "here is what we could do", yeah that sounds optimistic too, what's awkward about that?

a lot of scientists and writers are more interested in or focused on a particular discovery in itself, so the part where they switch to a "plan of action" is sometimes a bit hasty and tacked-on

the people vs peer gynt (goole), Thursday, 27 August 2009 20:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

TED will save the world through innovations in optics, sociology and software!

Alex Android (Viceroy), Thursday, 27 August 2009 23:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

I'm not enough of a cynic to dislike TED and not enough of a self-serving kool aide drinker to believe that TED is Really Deep, however I have to love the fallout from when TED and Sarah Silverman collide.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 14 February 2010 23:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Gawker commentary

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 14 February 2010 23:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

If TED is the Wired of the lecture circuit, what's the Mondo 2000? Cause that's what I'd go see insTED

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 14 February 2010 23:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

What were they expecting?

Nhex, Monday, 15 February 2010 00:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think they got exactly what they were expecting. All the whining tweets are meant to continue milking the exposure.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 15 February 2010 00:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

the Barry Shwartz talk about choice was eye opening for me

lukevalentine, Monday, 15 February 2010 01:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i guess its old but worth a watch. is book is good too

lukevalentine, Monday, 15 February 2010 01:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

c'mon, this site is great. any other ones like it?

sleepingbag, Thursday, 2 September 2010 06:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

~ideas~

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

if i was a poor black kid this would be my favorite shit

dave cool, Sunday, 19 February 2012 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is a good one.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I don't get dave's joke)

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

i almost envy u for missing this particular internet firestorm http://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2011/12/12/if-i-was-a-poor-black-kid

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is inarguably the best ted talk

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh man, I'm going to stay away from that column/comments.

This is probably my favorite one:

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want to do a TED talk on TED-inflation, how incessant demand for TED was itself the downfall of TED

I would have a graph like this

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

c'mon, this site is great. any other ones like it?

― sleepingbag

buzza, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

my conclusion would be that we need to start a TED central bank

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

'what if we had a bank...for ideas"

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I actually gave one of these talks and talked about how this kind of thing (plus The Moth, etc.) are creating a kind of non-fiction performing arts, and removing the artist as middleman: the idea that it's possible to see a cop tell stories as Sunday-afternoon entertainment, rather than going to see an actor pretend to be a cop.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

what i dont get is ted licences their brand in the form of TEDx conferences which anyone can hold for a fee, bad brand stewardship, someone should TALK to them abt that

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha xp

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

They have rules and such for TEDx conferences, so there's some quality control and consistency.

I went to one at the University of Chicago--the speakers included the former president of Boliva as well as my hero Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. The event was sold out, with hundreds and hundreds of college kids there.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

they should just rename college 'TED', it will help w/ the dropout problem

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

instead of class, just utube, i believe theres a ted talk abt that as a matter of fact

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do think they're indicative of why there may be an education bubble, as far as universities previously being the primary place to get this kind of education.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah there def is, I have a thread bout it: rolling online education thread

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

--and (xpost) the social side, as far as meeting other people with the same interests and way of learning, getting inspired, etc.

In another way, it's in the 19th-century American bootstraps tradition of Emerson, Thoreau, etc.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

I got halfway through that Hans Rosling talk, which seems to be the most universally-lauded TED talk ever, when I got pissed off by the same glib bullshit that permeates the rest of TED. Specifically when he's talking about differences between African countries, and he mentions "Sierra Leone humanitarian aid, Uganda development aid, Ghana time to invest, and Mauritius you can go on holiday" as if he had just described the natural lifecycle of African development. Only it's total bullshit, even if those were well-defined stages of development there's no evidence that foreign aid helps countries make those transitions (and some evidence that it does the opposite.)

I know, it's not the point of the talk, it was just a nice way to illustrate a point, blah blah. Don't sweat the details, just absorb the glittering vision, right.

lukas, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

TED provides you with the experience-high of learning without the experience-low of having to remember anything you heard 5 minutes later / doing homework...the details aren't very important

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i liked the chimamanda adichie talk about the danger of a single story. iirc there were no graphs, though.

horseshoe, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

"TED is not simply “engaging” and “entertaining” but a specific type of entertainment that is increasingly out of touch and exclusionary."

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/against-ted/

(not but what i think that thing i just linked never puts together the really solid critique that i know is possible)

dove cale (c sharp major), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i think there's something about the notion in which not learning but rather experiencing an event where exceptionally intelligent people discuss ideas is in itself learning, never mind that any quiz the next day on what was discussed would result in a failing grade.

omar little, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

TED talks linked on facebook allow people to let others do the heavy lifting for them. 'hey here is some food for thought, not prepared by me but enjoy nonetheless.'

omar little, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

i say facebook b/c i feel like every week i see a new one posted.

omar little, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

i see no evidence that ted is trying to replace school or w/e, its a conference, it works in much the same way as the million other conferences in the world

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

what if every professor only talked about AWESOME THINGS but you didn't have to remember anything cause NO TESTS

it's like some freshman's stoner fantasy

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

you;'re sort of conflating academic and trade conferences there, which is exactly what TED does

xp

lukas, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah it's not trying to replace school and it won't, it doesn't have the brand, but it functions as a 'this is what I wish school had been' for lots of people

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

conflating a conference w/college is like some lazy internet guys criticism fantasy

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean theres def a criticism to be made of ted, just not apparently by the people in this thread, especially not lukas smh

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

eh there's nothing magic about a 'college lecture' that makes it different from a 'conference talk', in some contexts they can be exactly the same speech

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

like im sure hans rosling is unaware of some research that you have in yr possession and was intending lil off handed one liners to actually represent the complexity of african economics etc

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah totally i was talking abt magic things im sure theres no difference in intention, w/e its all stupid cause no homework

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, word's don't matter, got it, i'll watch TED talks with renewed interest

lukas, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

*words lol

lukas, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

well you have to understand what the words mean i think is the point

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean did u hear he said 'Mauritius you can go on holiday' therefor his industry leading work is invalid *buffs nails*

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

well either what hans said in that brief passage didn't mean anything, or it was mendacious bullshit, can you clarify

lukas, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

thank you for those two choices lukas im sure they are the only possible meanings

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

u should give a ted talk

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't steal my tedflation idea

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

i should have revealed the top action films in a TED talk. would have owned imo.

omar little, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

feel like the ted people wouldve wanted the matrix to place higher

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh? what's the beef with TED? so a bunch of people want to put up a bunch of youtube videos of talks, some of which are entertaining or inspiring... and?

Nhex, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

theres a triumphalist culture that rubs people the wrong way from what i can tell

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Let's get a group rate on a nice resort and do TEDLX

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

well the prob w/ ted is that it's not really meant for people who want to really learn concrete things or even build new frames of reference and it's not really presented as 'this lecture is here to get you interested in african economics, here's some ways to learn more.' it's learning as a form of forgettable entertainment, it's like watching tv w/ the idea that you're doing something important.

it's also sorta like reading a list of movie twist-endings for movies you haven't seen. this will not be the downfall of traditional higher ed (other things are) but there is something crass and weird about the idea that the only things worth learning are mind blowing.

iatee, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

eh the experience is not that far from like reading the new yorker or w/e

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbf to the adichie talk i like, i don't think she thinks it's mind blowing. but also i like reading the new yorker.

horseshoe, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

and watching tv

horseshoe, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would probably like ted talks if i watched more of them

horseshoe, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i agree that theres a frivolous aspect to ted, mostly in their marketing abt amazing minds gathering together and for a j/o sesh, but ive def remembered a bunch of the stuff ive watched, i havent used that knowledge to bend the course of history to my will, but i think it can be legit educational, if not anymore so than youd expect from a 10min video, i mean i have never once requested a masters degree after finishing a ted talk, and i think that level of education has value as does watching an ep of nova or w/e

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've liked them more as audio podcasts than watching them, but maybe that just has to do with listening to them while walking, or maybe it's not having to look at someone's clothes and appearance.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are interesting ideas in TED talks but the tone is so off-putting to me

lukas, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like, it's nice to walk through some woods with headphones on, listening to Felix Dennis:

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's not the triumphalism so much as it is the velocity, as if we can just zip through important ideas quickly without being critical of them. like we have enough of that in our culture and i think it's damaging.

lukas, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would probably not like TED talks if i watched more of them, i think the aspect of them that's 'Inspiring People talk about the Inspiring Things they have done' would get to me somewhat. (i hate biographies, too)

dove cale (c sharp major), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

many of the talks are not that great, but some are

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

feel like someone on another thread (iatee?) was talking about the more tech-oriented tedtalks being suspect on an anti-union pro-management tip? maybe i made this up? i of course have seen no tech ted talks or technical talks of any kind, so i wouldn't know.

horseshoe, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

well many of the people are successful and wonderful so it stands to reason

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah the only way you're going to be able to argue against the self-interests of people watching your talk is if you have more than half an hour and you don't have to be inspiring

lukas, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

The cousin of this is Pecha Kucha, which gives a tight structure that allows experts to give a focused talk on something they're passionate about. The night I attended one of these, Jon Langford did one, Ken Nordine (age 90) did one, a guy who built a 3-storey Eiffel Tower replica in a department store did one.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

not sure why internet video requires a counter-argument when no other medium does?

bnw, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah thats what I'm now thinking too bnw - why are these guys getting the caning not given to say, a Carl Sagan tv special?

Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I'm not saying TEDs should be at all srs learnin, but I've enjoyed the ones ive watched. I do agree they can skim far too much sometimes tho)

Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe if they wore turtlenecks and posed in front of pictures of the universe

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

summaries can be cool, have fun and enjoy. i just can't get down with the tone so i'll bash on whatever mis-steps i can find.

lukas, Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.poptech.org has good talks too that aren't quite so TED-y

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

even though my honest opinion is more mixed than i'll let on, the more ted-boosters i meet the more i feel it's important to be a ted-hater. like in my experience they tend to be smug, optimistic about the future in a dismissive "pfft, cynicism? what don't you read the economist?" kind of way, have major boners for technology and often also capitalism. i think the curation of ted-talks pushes a really partic kind of complacency in face of the self-correcting market mechanism + high expectations of the fruits of technology. a lot of ted talks i watched when i was most into it were like stewart brand, bjorn lomborg; these refreshingly positive, counterintuitive approaches to problems that have been generally presented as insurmountable. i realize people respond to this esp in contrast with a lot of bleak shit out there, but theres an obvious imbalance thats kind of harmful imo

best ted talk is aubrey degray fountain of youth

flopson, Monday, 20 February 2012 00:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, that one is good

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

agree w trayce and lagoon: i can't see what's wrong with a bunch of short lectures presented for some combination of edification, inspiration and entertainment. sometimes it's nice simply to see/hear experts and innovators talk about their work, to engage with thinking and information from a curious rather than a studious or rigorously critical perspective. yeah, there's a general tone of cheerful, vaguely new age optimism to the TED project as a whole, but i don't think that's necessarily such a bad thing, even it sometimes feels a bit forced. if TED talks were your only source of intellectual nourishment, your brain would starve, but it's not like there aren't countless other options available.

love this one on theo jansen and his "creatures":

http://www.ted.com/talks/theo_jansen_creates_new_creatures.html

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think that going into TED with cynicism/criticism is healthy and advisable, especially for talks for the past couple of years, as TED has gotten more and more popular - and the comments, unlike a lot of websites in general, are often pretty good at relating that cynicism/criticism and in some cases actually aide the talk.

in general, I like TED talks because i think the more informal education out there the better, but feel like many of them (but not all) have too much of a veneer over the subject matter that perks it up and dumbs it down more than necessary - this is esp true of some of the tech ones... rah rah technology + money-making! with no socio-cultural insight. ergh...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yes i remember that one on jansen too - so cool :)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

lag00n mentioned the nyer upthread and I would say a pretty good reference point is m gladwell. he's not the worst person in the world, he's even written some interesting stuff. would anyone here want him to be the editor of the nyer? the gladwell/freakeconomics/david brooks pop intellectualism approach to the world can be okay for an article but it's bad as a philosophy because we don't live in a world with 'big problems' that can be solved w/ big counterintuitive solutions that nobody thought about, we live in a really complicated place w/ really complicated problems. most of the ted speakers prob know this, but that's not the ted narrative.

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

if TED talks were your only source of intellectual nourishment, your brain would starve, but it's not like there aren't countless other options available.

i think plenty of brains starve on a lot less

flopson, Monday, 20 February 2012 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just have to say I never got this "west coast new age positivity" vibe some ppl are hating on, from TED stuff Ive seen. Perhaps Ive not seen enough or there is some culture surrounding the society that I have missed. On the stand-alone lectures Ive seen, I've enjoyed most of them (not all - some people are great scientists but shocking speakers).

And who says there's nothing to learn? This guy, for example, was a very entertaining watch and I totally learned some new things about propulsion research:

http://www.ted.com/talks/robert_full_on_engineering_and_evolution.html

Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

iatee otm

flopson, Monday, 20 February 2012 00:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's interesting that the videos posted here are all from a few years ago. i think that's the point of the Against TED essay - that TED has changed and isn't as smart/clever/interesting anymore.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's called tedflation, I'm preparing a presentation on it

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

or has become more Cult of TED or something
xp!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

i agree to a point but

1) not fair to lob the david brooks shit grenade
2) think there is also a danger in barring topics from the casual viewer
3) also some elitism in thinking the viewer begins and ends their understanding of the topic with one web site

bnw, Monday, 20 February 2012 00:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

/david brooks was the last thing I added to that paragraph, gave it a little extra something

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's interesting that the videos posted here are all from a few years ago. i think that's the point of the Against TED essay - that TED has changed and isn't as smart/clever/interesting anymore.

Ah ok, this is an interesting point.

Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Monday, 20 February 2012 01:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

also some elitism in thinking the viewer begins and ends their understanding of the topic with one web site

And, also this. And in addition, elitism in assuming all scientific/new ideas stuff MUST be rigourous and long winded and thorough. Can we not have populist stuff too, for the average joe who *would not absorb this stuff at all otherwise*?

Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Monday, 20 February 2012 01:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

The cousin of this is Pecha Kucha, which gives a tight structure that allows experts to give a focused talk on something they're passionate about. The night I attended one of these, Jon Langford did one, Ken Nordine (age 90) did one, a guy who built a 3-storey Eiffel Tower replica in a department store did one.

― Fonz Hour (Eazy), Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:51 PM (1 hour ago)

i gave a pecha kucha presentation on my threeframes tumblr. each slide was a different gif and i finished with one from clash of the titans and proclaimed "RELEASE THE KRAKEN" at the very end (it was opening weekend of the new COT)

⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 20 February 2012 01:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

'the world is really complicated' is not elitism, it's just true xp

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 01:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

flopson/iatee otm

im sure theres tons of good ted talks out there but i tend to associate ted w/ that glib silicon valley 'technocratic' positivism, the same kind of people that give us "charter schools" and "union-busting" as the future of education reform. maybe im wrong though. the crowd i associate w/ ted is less the economist or nyer crowd than the wired magazine crowd.

max, Monday, 20 February 2012 01:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

is ted a thing in 2012, I thought it was like 2010 shit

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 20 February 2012 01:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Any teachers care to comment on Khan Academy?

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 01:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I actually think the khan academy type online learning is gonna be pretty important #noteacher

note that all the lectures there are like 'graphing a line in slope intercept form' and not 'how slopes intercepts can change your life and will change everything we know about modern medicine'

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 01:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I actually think the khan academy type online learning is gonna be pretty important #noteacher

note that all the lectures there are like 'graphing a line in slope intercept form' and not 'how slopes intercepts can change your life and will change everything we know about modern medicine'

― iatee, Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:57 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.mathalicious.com/2012/02/04/khan-academy-its-different-this-time/

Instead, the real issue with Khan Academy is its underlying pedagogy (or lack thereof). Quite simply, it doesn’t work. Not only do we know this anecdotally — how many adults still say “I don’t do math?” — but we also know it experimentally. In fact, we’ve known it for decades!

In general, I find TED to be entertaining and no worse than popular science media & other infotainment, and often inspirational and informative. But this illustrates what I hate about TED. It isn't just bright people sharing innovative ideas. Sometimes it's bright amateurs spreading ignorance in critical areas outside of their expertise.

I think that SK came up with a clever idea that could possibly be leveraged by innovative and experienced educators. Here's what the billionaire (who has no experience as an educator) who's pumping millions of dollars into education (with strings attached) thinks of Khan Academy:

Khan Academy boosters think this will transform education. They use a lot of language around how it will change the teachers role. They don't have any experience, but they have a lot of money and they run successful businesses, so why won't these failing educators just get out of their way?

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 04:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, but that's the difference between attempted online education and vaguely "educational" lectures as a form of online entertainment. neither is intrinsically superior to the other, apples and oranges.

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Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 04:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tend to associate ted w/ that glib silicon valley 'technocratic' positivism, the same kind of people that give us "charter schools" and "union-busting" as the future of education reform. maybe im wrong though. the crowd i associate w/ ted is less the economist or nyer crowd than the wired magazine crowd.

― max, Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:32 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

TED = charter schools and union busting?!? come on, that's just the cheapest, lowest form of guilt by association. the crowds we "associate with" things don't have much to do with the actual significance/value/impact of those things when evaluated on their own merits.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 04:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually I was educated at a right to work TEDcharter school

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 04:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

...and in addition, elitism in assuming all scientific/new ideas stuff MUST be rigourous and long winded and thorough. Can we not have populist stuff too, for the average joe who *would not absorb this stuff at all otherwise*?

― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:12 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

OTM, and we don't even have to appeal to some otherwise helpless "average joe" in order to make this point. No one can know about everything that's going on the world today, and therefore anyone might benefit from brief introductions to some of what's out there. Okay, fine, so TED overesells the transformative power of left-field "big ideas", but that hardly seems like the worst intellectual crime being foisted on the world atm. these things are introductions, abstracts, basically back cover blurbs. invitations to do more research, if you're really interested. and fodder for water cooler/facebook conversation if you're lazy. either way, a service to humanity.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 04:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah I don't think khan etc stuff are gonna replace high school teachers but they're pretty nifty supplements for a hs student having trouble w/ homework

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iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 04:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

college otoh

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 04:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

In a venn diagram of who moved my cheese, waiting for superman, awesomensess fest, and what the bleep do we know, there is some serious TED overlap.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 04:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

theres definitely zero overlap between the awesomeness fest and the ted conference as far as like actual people involved, prob the rest of them all too, if you want to argue some similar cultural orientation yeah sure but just in a v general sense, feel like some in this thread in wanting to indite ted on charges of being glib are themselves being somewhat glib

i mean theres no need to try and associated the ted conference w/the worst people in the world in order to make a criticism, theyre also not nazis, doesnt mean theres nothing wrong w/them

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 05:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a pretentious way to present free lectures, but i can't believe people are getting their dander up over them.

da croupier, Monday, 20 February 2012 05:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

theres definitely zero overlap between the awesomeness fest and the ted conference as far as like actual people involved

http://www.awesomenessfest.com/meet-the-tribe/

⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a pretentious way to present free lectures, but i can't believe people are getting their dander up over them.

― da croupier

tis the season for the flakes that don't melt

( -- ( .) - ( .) / (am0n), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

phfft w/e one person

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 05:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, when I refer to awesomeness fest, I do mean it in a very general way, and of course I was being glib. I have enjoyed several TED talks online and I value them. But there are threads of magical thinking and shortcuts around serious critical analysis that run through self-help, professional development, technophilia, education reform, economic policy; etc that are on the same continuum, and I see some of these same threads running through some of the TED talks I've viewed, and I'm not surprised.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

FYI this was the second Google search result for "awesomeness fest ted"

http://www.awesomenessfest.com/dr-srikumar-rao/

PS I don't think Dr. Srikumar Rao is the worst of the worst.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

TBH those threads run through the entirety of human society on all levels and sometimes those kinds of shortcuts actually lead to revolutions in technology and improvements in peoples lives. You just want to ~contain~ it, not eliminate it.

#1 Inspector Spacetime Fanboy (Viceroy), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

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Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

But there are threads of magical thinking and shortcuts around serious critical analysis that run through self-help, professional development, technophilia, education reform, economic policy; etc that are on the same continuum, and I see some of these same threads running through some of the TED talks I've viewed, and I'm not surprised.

― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, February 20, 2012 12:41 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im sympathetic to that view but i think to some extent what youre picking up on is like people like doin actual things, producing work that because it exists is naturally going to lend itself to criticism, what separates the ted situation from what the awesome cheese inc is many of the speakers are genuinely accomplished in their fields, which does i think somewhat excuse them against charges of magical thinking etc, like i just watched Martin Seligman: Why is psychology good? and i felt like a lot of it was sort of a little too pat or shallow or something, but the thing is he has at least research and a coherent system, its kinda the opposite of a shortcut, it demands specific critical engagement not just more 'this smells new agey' or w/e like that awful new inquiry piece posted upthread

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 06:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

plus if you have substantial objections, i think it makes more sense to critique the TED talks on a specific, case-by-case basis than to paint them as brain candy in a generic sense. afaict, they're not all slapdash, intellectually dishonest utopian unicorn crap, and if you wanna make that case, then it behooves you to bring something concrete to the table. a broad-brush objection to the general "tone" doesn't count for much, imo.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 06:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

many of the speakers are genuinely accomplished in their fields

I totally agree.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 06:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

they're not all slapdash, intellectually dishonest utopian unicorn crap

I totally agree.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 06:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

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Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 06:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

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Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 06:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

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― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:56 (25 minutes ago) Permalink

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⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 20 February 2012 06:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

makelovenotporn seems kind of silly but I have met dudes who srsly don't understand the difference between porn and the real world so I guess it has a purpose.

#1 Inspector Spacetime Fanboy (Viceroy), Monday, 20 February 2012 06:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

why did you post this

― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:23 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

was mentioned in that cindy gallop awesomenessfest profile that, uh, you posted

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 06:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh lol

⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 20 February 2012 06:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

a broad-brush objection to the general "tone" doesn't count for much, imo.

I agree that it's not going to convince anyone who doesn't feel the same way, but I think "tone" is an ok way to make decisions about what you choose to pay attention to. Not that it indicates some deep badness, but it indicates a mismatch between your concerns and that of the speaker. Maybe those concerns aren't material to the subject of the talk itself, but with an infinite amount of stuff to watch, who cares?

lukas, Monday, 20 February 2012 06:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh sure, entirely up to personal choice

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 07:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

like in my experience they tend to be smug, optimistic about the future in a dismissive "pfft, cynicism? what don't you read the economist?" kind of way, have major boners for technology and often also capitalism. i think the curation of ted-talks pushes a really partic kind of complacency in face of the self-correcting market mechanism + high expectations of the fruits of technology.

they're a bit like those internet articles where there's been a "scientific breakthrough" re: cancer, or some important technology that will Make Life Better For Everyone. Everyone cheers in the comments section or whatever but you know that you will never read or hear about this theory or breakthrough again.

Cunga, Monday, 20 February 2012 07:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I bet Socrates' lectures were a lot like a TED talk. Trying to get the common man people to think about exciting new ideas and the philosophy behind every day life.

And then the proto-ilxors had him killed because he looked pretentious and said iPads could replace schools.

Cunga, Monday, 20 February 2012 07:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I watched this, then I bought the book.

http://www.ted.com/talks/iain_mcgilchrist_the_divided_brain.html

so y'know you can springboard from these to some kind of real learnin'.

ledge, Monday, 20 February 2012 09:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

OTM, and we don't even have to appeal to some otherwise helpless "average joe" in order to make this point. No one can know about everything that's going on the world today, and therefore anyone might benefit from brief introductions to some of what's out there. Okay, fine, so TED overesells the transformative power of left-field "big ideas", but that hardly seems like the worst intellectual crime being foisted on the world atm. these things are introductions, abstracts, basically back cover blurbs. invitations to do more research, if you're really interested. and fodder for water cooler/facebook conversation if you're lazy. either way, a service to humanity.

there is a problem with your introduction to a scientific or technological field being "this idea out of left-field is come to TRANSFORM the moribund field of [blah]". viz: you aren't left with a strong understanding of The Left-Field Idea because there isn't time, you aren't left with much of an understanding of the field itself because you've only been told about aspects that relate to The Left-Field Idea, and you are, however, left with the sense that the field itself is half-dead and in need of a drastic saviour because that is the peg the whole talk is hung upon.

dove cale (c sharp major), Monday, 20 February 2012 10:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

which is the same problem as one gets from those 'scientific breakthrough' articles, it's not unique to TED -- but i don't think, as a format, this sort of thing encourages you to learn more about the field, because you've already been told: the field is flawed in a way that needs breaking through with the Big Idea that this guy has.

dove cale (c sharp major), Monday, 20 February 2012 10:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

a combination of cynicism and triumphalism that leaves little space for us.

dove cale (c sharp major), Monday, 20 February 2012 10:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol joe did ur dad invent Ted or something

max, Monday, 20 February 2012 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

i love that Iain Mcgilchrist talk

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

feel like most of the 99% is not really interested in TED-style "breakthroughs" but some sustained elbow grease on the problems that are already very well known

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

i.e. sometimes i think TED acolytes need a stern talking to from chekhov

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

totally - my favourite talks are usually the really-real ones about shifted ways of looking at and facing and solving old problems without devaluing history and cultural context. my other favourite talks are about outer space.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I feel like TED is an offender, but not a bad one, of the "hey, if we listen to some guy talk about his ideas, we will get ideas of our own" convention circuit.

Still not as bad as the "I'm going to have a start-up company/website, I just have no idea what it will be yet, let's all talk over drinks after listening to someone actually successful speak" offenders of the world.

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Glib, generalized accusations of glibness = projection!

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

But then agin, we only have limit space to write on here versus, say, publishing an essay about it.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2012 15:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've prepared a glibflation chart for my tedflation presentation

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Something else that can make a false impression of glibness is that the speakers aren't given introductions--so you have to do your own homework to know that Martin Seligman was president of the American Psychological Association, or that Moot is the guy you want giving a talk about anonymity and the internet.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

every minute wasted on context is a minute that could be better spent on david brooks style union busting

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like what Jason Fried and company have produced, but their idea salesmanship is obnoxious as hell

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol joe did ur dad invent Ted or something

― max, Monday, February 20, 2012 8:00 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol i know its ridiculous ive become the defender of TED in this thread since prob on this v message bord ive cast similar shade upon its holy endeavors, i guess i feel like some of the criticism itt would be better presented as a straight diss like 'lol 1% j/o sesh w/e' than the kind of generalized intellectualisms that weve seen, cause i do think once youve taken that step it becomes kinda self parody to not engage w/the really quite rigorous work many of these people have done

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

TED chucklebutt

( -- ( .) - ( .) / (am0n), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have to admit that for me "ideas worth spreading" has the effect of provoking the unfortunate mental image of a shovel stuck into a large pile of manure

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

or at least acknowledge that some of the speakers have done serious work and deep thinking

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

just to be clear i dont really mean to talk shit on the speakers themselves just on 'ted culture' and the kind of people i notice sharing ted talks

max, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

full disclosure i shared a ted talk the other month

max, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

imagineering

( -- ( .) - ( .) / (am0n), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess its somewhat difficult to successfully generalize abt this thing that has hundreds of speakers who are each different people

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lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like I said, it's like a cargo cult among some people where there's a belief that having smart people talk about their ideas will give you ideas.

btw I am going to go watch a few TED talks today for "inspiration"

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

i do think theres something v now abt ted, like if i were writing a novel id want to hit upon the sort of information idealism that flows through ted and freakanomics and w/e, theres a level of irony because for mostly its just stuff to talk abt at parties

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

this all sounds horrible

( -- ( .) - ( .) / (am0n), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like I said, it's like a cargo cult among some people where there's a belief that having smart people talk about their ideas will give you ideas.

― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, February 20, 2012 11:13 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eh this is just base cynicism, cause the vast majority of people who watch ted arent doing it cause they want to have omg awesome idea, theyre just curious, and also engaging w/smart peoples ideas will often give you ideas! all of this is just like perfectly natural being a person things

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm sad I lost max in this battle for ilx hearts and minds but imo once you have become a ted speaker it has ruined you as a human being forever, even cool people like nate silver or david byrne. everytime I learn something new I make sure the thing I'm learning about wasn't shared on ted, if it was I try to figure out a way for the opposite to be true.

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

when i learn something new i try to not share it at all because people can get a lil weird sometimes

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Eazy, I enjoyed your talk. I'm really interested in relational aesthetics and socially driven art experiences, both as a participant and as an artist. I agree that the talkback and the post-show discussion are often a little awkward, and with the exception of a theatrical workshop open to the public, sometimes of limited use. I feel like a lot of arts organizations are experimenting with experiences incorporating or built around organic social interaction. A lot of this is being driven by independent artists in our local arts scene.

On a related subject, have you had the opportunity to participate in a Gob Squad, Blast Thoery, or Rimini Protokoll performance? Some great stuff.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm sympathetic within my own lol disciplines about the accusations of learning-lite but at the same time it seems so weirdly grad-school to get mad about something like this stuff. if people spend an hour hearing a lite version of important shit that glosses over stuff that'd cause them to tune out if it came up, that's still better than nothing, which is the default. it's like: ideally, your kids don't watch any TV at all, it's not really good for 'em. guess what, they're gonna watch tv. might as well have some ok TV. is it going to be Really Good TV? of course not, you can't really do much with an hourlong program, but what the hell, it beats sniffing glue

relatedly, I turned down a TEDx talk earlier this year because I'm too busy to put together a talk & the objections people have to this are exactly why I wouldn't presume to squash the issues that're important to me into a brief talk from a dude (me) who doesn't really know that much anyway

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am looking at the list of TED fellows and everyone on it is alive except for MLK

http://www.ted.com/speakers?orderedby=TALKPOSTED&page=45

it's like when mormons baptize you posthumously except w/ conference speaking as a religion

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

always kinda felt that way about: http://www.egs.edu/

look at the faculty bar on the right

Mordy, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

if mlk were alive today he would def have a laser pointer and a headset and the freakeconomics guys would help him figure out new smartphone apps w/ which we can defeat racism

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw outside of my claimed cynicism, I am mainly annoyed when TED doesn't go into detail! I kind of wish there was a built-in curriculum of long-form articles and the worst is when someone is very energetic but doesn't pull deeper content. You can give a quick talk that the layperson will get while still hinting at the depth of expertise.

I would watch the hell out of aero's talk, should it happen, because his ilx posting style betrays an ability to draw on a depth of experience to insert deep zings into content.

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

A friend and I used to joke about going to that EGS thingy that Mordy linked because, wow, what a list. Recently it's really seemed that it is a front for people to extract money from being known intellectuals.

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah EGS always seemed like such a scam

i mean, dj spooky! get real everyone

max, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Plus also fuck a freakanomics.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I saw one of the founders of this thing speak: http://alldaybuffet.org/

The Feast convenes the most remarkable entrepreneurs, radicals, doers and thinkers who are revolutionizing the way things work for the betterment of humanity.

Probably a good time, but $$ and I am not sure about conferences that bill themselves as "salons"

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbh I have enjoyed some local salons that are v entertaining and deliver. Not really TED style, but not wholly unrelated.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess it really depends on who shows and what kind of community it is. I'd enjoy a salon with ilxors.

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

TED basically makes me feel like Dr Morbius

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Plus also fuck a freakanomics.

― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, February 20, 2012 11:41 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

freakanomics is in fact actual bullshit

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

lag∞n needs a whole boxful of OTMs here

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

think I just officially 'won' the debate

iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

the objections people have to this are exactly why I wouldn't presume to squash the issues that're important to me into a brief talk from a dude (me) who doesn't really know that much anyway

this is pretty much exactly why we need an underrated aerosmith to give one of these things!

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

u should hold yr own tedx at yr house, just u n areo tedxing

lag∞n, Monday, 20 February 2012 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw I watched the bjarke ingels ted talk this morning and there was a moment for the "is it racist?" thread! dude totally had a comedic gong noise as a punchline after talking about a project in china

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Anyone feel like listing off some of these TED videos that are worth it? I have a few I want to watch and might as well make a week of this shit.

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is pretty much exactly why we need an underrated aerosmith to give one of these things!

"Why You Should Definitely Not Expect Me To Say Anything Worthwhile During the Next Hour-Plus," a talk by Underrated Aerosmith Bootlegs I Have Owned

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's pretty good. It takes some people only about 20 minutes to say nothing worthwhile!

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 02:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

the tone of TED can also be "What If Everything We Know About _____ Is Wrong?" pop iconoclasm, lets turn conventional wisdom upside down stuff. I think that's what it has in common with freaknomics and is what irks people.

Cunga, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 03:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

everytime I learn something new I make sure the thing I'm learning about wasn't shared on ted

I do exactly this, but with QI. I think that show is related to this discussion somehow.

get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 08:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like, something to do with people being smart by proxy? You know the kind, who have a world of facts at their fingertips, but take them away from an internet connection or ask them to develop a thought or bring ideas together for themselves and they fall to pieces.

get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 08:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Gah some of u guyz can be so damn cynical sometimes :(

Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 08:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey, I feel that way about myself when I go through a lurking phase on ILX, where all I do is read smart people making smart points and feel as if I'm learning something when actually I'm not learning very much at all. It's easier to listen to a TED talk then give one.

get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 08:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

ILX is excellent in that it's participatory, though. I'm much more of a consumer than a participator and could get sucked into the world of TED. Here, I can learn things and then type the well-earned "otm" into the text box.

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

This piece is a good reminder that Davos is pretty much the model for TED, without offering up the talks and panels:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/03/05/120305fa_fact_paumgarten?currentPage=all

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 02:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

how to tie your shoes

ಠ﹏ಠ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 03:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://nymag.com/news/features/ted-conferences-2012-3/

flopson, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 06:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

starts off weak/cheesy, picks up

flopson, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 06:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah that's a good read

iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 06:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Summit Series is the anti-Aspen, targeting twentysomething entrepreneurs, 1,000 of whom last year paid $3,500 to spend four days on a cruise to the Bahamas. The event featured glow sticks, condoms, Russell Simmons–led yoga, a shark-tagging excursion with Timothy Ferriss, and talks on philanthrocapitalism by people like Richard Branson and Peter Thiel."

I'm not saying you could have made the world a better place with one well-aimed torpedo... I'm just saying.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 07:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sounds like a pretty crazy time and I bet Richard Branson knows how to party. I'd also like to listen to Peter Thiel on "philanthrocapitalism" and how that relates to his libertarian island nation. Possibly not for too long, though.

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mordy, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

hah! beat me to it.

s.clover, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ridley Scott likes TED:

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Friday, 2 March 2012 01:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

what is that scary red green-eyed creature?!?

the late great, Friday, 2 March 2012 01:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

i defy anyone not to loathe everything about this video:

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 March 2012 12:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's like it was engineered by robots to cause maximum hatred

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 March 2012 12:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone here ever been to the Summit Series?

dandydonweiner, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 00:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

https://twitter.com/#!/RandomTEDTalks

s.clover, Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Starts a bit glib, but actually a nice talk:

s.clover, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality

There’s one idea, though, that TED’s organizers recently decided was too controversial to spread: the notion that widening income inequality is a bad thing for America, and that as a result, the rich should pay more in taxes.

TED organizers invited a multimillionaire Seattle venture capitalist named Nick Hanauer – the first nonfamily investor in Amazon.com – to give a speech on March 1 at their TED University conference. Inequality was the topic – specifically, Hanauer’s contention that the middle class, and not wealthy innovators like himself, are America’s true “job creators.”

“We’ve had it backward for the last 30 years,” he said. “Rich businesspeople like me don’t create jobs. Rather they are a consequence of an ecosystemic feedback loop animated by middle-class consumers, and when they thrive, businesses grow and hire, and owners profit. That’s why taxing the rich to pay for investments that benefit all is a great deal for both the middle class and the rich.”

You can’t find that speech online. TED officials told Hanauer initially they were eager to distribute it. “I want to put this talk out into the world!” one of them wrote him in an e-mail in late April. But early this month they changed course, telling Hanauer that his remarks were too “political” and too controversial for posting.

Other TED talks posted online veer sharply into controversial and political territory, including NASA scientist James Hansen comparing climate change to an asteroid barreling toward Earth, and philanthropist Melinda Gates pushing for more access to contraception in the developing world.

Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

TED is there to make you feel great about working within the status quo! Actually going to the thing is relatively exclusive, so why the fuck would they want to spread the idea that exclusive groups are not what's really influential?

mh, Friday, 18 May 2012 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp watched one of those talks (Jane McGonigal), it was not the hilariously appalling embarrassingment they made it out to be.

the fey monster (ledge), Friday, 18 May 2012 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

They didn't ban his speech because it was about income inequality, they banned it because it sucked.

The subject isn't "too hot for ted" - http://blog.ted.com/2012/05/17/playlist-the-roots-and-effects-of-income-equality/

StanM, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://tedchris.posterous.com/131417405 <- read this

StanM, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, except . . . http://roundtable.nationaljournal.com/2012/05/more-on-ted-entrepreneurs-woul.php

I agree with your language about ecosystems, and your dismissal of some of the mechanistic economy orthodoxy, yet many of your own statements seem to go further than those arguments justify

But even if the talk was rated a home run, we couldn't release it, because it would be unquestionably regarded as out and out political. We're in the middle of an election year in the US. Your argument comes down firmly on the side of one party. And you even reference that at the start of the talk. TED is nonpartisan and is fighting a constant battle with TEDx organizers to respect that principle.  (This aspect wasn't helped by the news that David was planning to mobilize Move On to distribute the talk.  If it wasn't political before, it certainly would have been then.) 

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk, unless you are purposefully politically naive, you're going to have an opinion about the whys and hows of income inequality, and will probably reference ways to fix it, and all of the thoughts I'm aware of have inherently partisan viewpoints.

I haven't heard a good conservative-perspective "this is why income inequality is at this level, and this is why (or this is why it's ok)" speech that doesn't completely piss me off! I welcome anyone who can point me to one.

mh, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...
3 weeks pass...

am0n, Thursday, 28 June 2012 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

am0n, Thursday, 28 June 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

ohgod the excerpts from that book

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 28 June 2012 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

this book sounds retarded

carly rae (flopson), Thursday, 28 June 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

also don't neglect to read the one s. clover posted

carly rae (flopson), Thursday, 28 June 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I felt kind of bad that I was mocking TED at my friend who was asked to write a blog post for a local TEDx site. But I can see where he'd appreciate some of it because he's got an architecture background, and holy shit does that TED book sound like some of the crap that architects write.

mh, Thursday, 28 June 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

s.clover, Saturday, 11 August 2012 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

nope

○ (gr8080), Saturday, 11 August 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

the tools and the passion, at the same damn time
imagine the future and the past, at the same damn time
wonder insight ideas, at the same damn time
will you dream with me, will you build with me, at the same damn time
at the same damn time, at the same damn time
at the same damn time, at the same damn time
at the same damn time, at the same damn time
ted time

sleepingbag, Sunday, 12 August 2012 07:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Via Whiney. Brooklyn's cycle is now complete:

http://www.brooklynbowl.com/event/189045?utm_source=MEL&utm_medium=20281

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

"What if I told you that everything you *thought* you knew about TED Talks -- namely that they were of some intellectual substance -- was wrong??"

Cunga, Monday, 26 November 2012 00:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Do you guys not see that we are moving beyond SmartPhones and SmartComputers, into a technological and -- dare I say it? -- moral breakthrough that will bring us all SmartLives? That information is a friend and ignorance is on the retreat in all four corners of the world. But before we talk about how society, our society, is smarter than ever: let me tell you about the stabbing I witnessed at a Black Friday sale this weekend, and a quick review of Ke$ha's new album.

Cunga, Monday, 26 November 2012 01:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

is the signature sound of TED uptalk.

s.clover, Friday, 8 March 2013 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

TEDx talks are the user-generated someecards of the lecture circuit

space phwoar (Hurting 2), Friday, 8 March 2013 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

This article has it right:

TED is no longer a responsible curator of ideas “worth spreading.” Instead it has become something ludicrous, and a little sinister.

Today TED is an insatiable kingpin of international meme laundering—a place where ideas, regardless of their quality, go to seek celebrity, to live in the form of videos, tweets, and now e-books. In the world of TED—or, to use their argot, in the TED “ecosystem”—books become talks, talks become memes, memes become projects, projects become talks, talks become books—and so it goes ad infinitum in the sizzling Stakhanovite cycle of memetics, until any shade of depth or nuance disappears into the virtual void. Richard Dawkins, the father of memetics, should be very proud. Perhaps he can explain how “ideas worth spreading” become “ideas no footnotes can support.”

from: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/books-and-arts/magazine/105703/the-naked-and-the-ted-khanna

Poliopolice, Friday, 8 March 2013 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
5 months pass...

The manliness thread introduced me to this guy's page:
http://vimeo.com/jasonsilva

his bio is like napalm

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Many have called Silva an "Idea DJ" and a poet, describing him as "a re-vitalizer and remixer of optimism, and above all, a curator: of ideas, of inspiration, and of awe... like a trumpet player or modern-day digital Mingus, he jams, riffs and rhapsodizes through a tumbling thicket of ideas with such a sharp and vital alacrity that it can take the breath away."

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess he really could go in the awesomeness fest bucket, too, but I think he's got different aspirations

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 21:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

He left the network to become, according to The Atlantic, "a part-time filmmaker and full-time walking, talking TEDTalk."

a lot of statehouses have been debating laws against this kind of thing lately

j., Tuesday, 17 September 2013 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

MANY have called him an idea dj??

socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actually, according to that quote, many have described him as "a re-vitalizer and remixer of optimism, and above all, a curator: of ideas, of inspiration, and of awe... like a trumpet player or modern-day digital Mingus, he jams, riffs and rhapsodizes through a tumbling thicket of ideas with such a sharp and vital alacrity that it can take the breath away." There's really an incredible degree of consensus on this guy.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 01:04 (11 months ago) Permalink

But I mean based on this guy's bio he is actually reasonably well-known it sounds like?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 01:06 (11 months ago) Permalink

I know, you would think he wouldn't sound so desperate if he's actually done reasonable work, but apparently he's ramped it up to be a motivational speaker

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 01:21 (11 months ago) Permalink

But I mean based on this guy's bio he is actually reasonably well-known it sounds like?

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

never trust bios. especially bios of ppl whose job seems to be self-promoter

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 20:38 (11 months ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lovethesetrees

It's cool, just a wikipedia user that only ever edited a single page, nothing suspicious here

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 21:15 (11 months ago) Permalink

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:58 (11 months ago) Permalink

pictures of people who have figured out how to swindle

HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:09 (11 months ago) Permalink

He has some innovative strategies to help you become sexually available.

fake penthouse letters mcgee, Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:11 (11 months ago) Permalink

"From YOUR point of view I'm oriented northwest to southeast.... but from MY point of view it's northeast to southwest! MAKES U THINK"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:20 (11 months ago) Permalink

can alacrity really be sharp

j., Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:24 (11 months ago) Permalink

thing about him is, he still thinks inside the box.

fake penthouse letters mcgee, Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:25 (11 months ago) Permalink

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:32 (11 months ago) Permalink

My departmental yearly meeting kicked off with someone playing a TED talk and I was dying inside

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:43 (11 months ago) Permalink

WONDER

Spectrum, Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:44 (11 months ago) Permalink

only happens in that intersection of science and art

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:46 (11 months ago) Permalink

i don't know if anyone noticed but there's a little subliminal thing in the above image of him saying hi.

fake penthouse letters mcgee, Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:48 (11 months ago) Permalink

The NPR/TED radio hour is some amazing synergy, guys.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 19 September 2013 18:49 (11 months ago) Permalink

synergism

HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 19:26 (11 months ago) Permalink

It would be so awesome if he then lifted up his other hand and on the palm was written "YOU DIPSHIT"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 20 September 2013 00:36 (11 months ago) Permalink

fake penthouse letters mcgee, Friday, 20 September 2013 00:57 (11 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

this man is a hero:

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Friday, 11 October 2013 13:24 (11 months ago) Permalink

i don't lol often but i have been rolling.

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 October 2013 21:37 (11 months ago) Permalink

WE'RE GONNA KILL 'EM ALL!!!

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Friday, 11 October 2013 21:50 (11 months ago) Permalink

Look on the other speakers' faces during the q&a is priceless

goth drama is universal (latebloomer), Sunday, 13 October 2013 22:37 (11 months ago) Permalink

:D

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2013 22:57 (11 months ago) Permalink

clover that thing has sharp knives watch out

HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 13 October 2013 23:31 (11 months ago) Permalink

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2013 23:32 (11 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/30/we-need-to-talk-about-ted

Let me tell you a story. I was at a presentation that a friend, an astrophysicist, gave to a potential donor. I thought the presentation was lucid and compelling (and I'm a professor of visual arts here at UC San Diego so at the end of the day, I know really nothing about astrophysics). After the talk the sponsor said to him, "you know what, I'm gonna pass because I just don't feel inspired ...you should be more like Malcolm Gladwell."

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 3 January 2014 06:13 (8 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

https://chronicle.com/article/The-New-Academic-Celebrity/145845/

j., Tuesday, 15 April 2014 16:34 (5 months ago) Permalink

:-/

ryan, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 16:40 (5 months ago) Permalink

isn;t the whole point of this dumb shit to post the links on the internet?

i need to see a Spike Lee Ted Talk to research a piece i'm writing and its nowhere on the internet

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 16:18 (4 months ago) Permalink

oh, that's TEDx, or cargo cult fake TED

a strange man (mh), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 16:19 (4 months ago) Permalink


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