LONG DUK DONG

voted racist, funny.

now do a poll for the Mickey Rooney character in Breakfast at Tiffany's.

Mickey Rooney character in Breakfast at Tiffany's

The first time I ever saw that I nearly fell off the couch. It's just . . . I don't even know.

it's kinda like that bit where Chappelle talks about something being so blatantly racist, you don't even get mad, it's like it didn't even happen, like it was in a movie...that.

Actually, it is sort of like that.

Same with LDD tbh.

Hey Howard, there's your Chinaman.
Thanks Fred.

racist, not funny, but the racism isn't why it's "not funny"

Gedde Watanabe is kind of a hero for owning the stereotyping done here, though. Hughes was probably like "sorry, this role is offensive, but the pay is good" and Watanabe pulled it off like a champ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCEHqCoHWUk

Skip to around 5:25 for one of the more insanely racist moments of modern cinema.

http://dudelol.com/DO-NOT-HOTLINK-IMAGES/Supplies-gif.gif

racist not funny

Gedde Watanabe is kind of a hero for owning the stereotyping done here, though. Hughes was probably like "sorry, this role is offensive, but the pay is good" and Watanabe pulled it off like a champ.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, January 9, 2012 5:11 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark

doesn't make it more acceptable

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2008/mar/in_character/donger_and_me.jpg

^^^Adrien Tomine's take

Linked from this NPR thing.
I haven't ever seen this movie btw

"Sixteen Candles" is an unambiguously terrible movie and, if I'd seen it first, I never would have seen "The Breakfast Club" or "Pretty In Pink"

>:O

x-post - lol - that's awesome

rob schneider plays a chinese man in 'i now pronounce you chuck and larry'? welp.

that comic is so fucking great

^^^

kinda surprised to see so many people rep for sixteen candles unambiguously without mentioning "oh hey, there's also this really racist character in there, just thought you should know" and then I watch it and get to this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyJBz7Z2EWE

and yeah, gedde you stupid fucking asshole

Did you only recently see it?

yep

it's pretty embarrassing, feels like something out of a 1940s film.

^^ It's sort of amazing when you realize when it was actually made.

well yeah - tbh I find this character to be much more offensive than breakfast at tiffany's simply cuz it was made in the 80s.

john hughes' films don't have any other specious racial stereotyping iirc, unless there's something i'm forgetting. at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era.

the political subtext of Hughes' filmography is pretty suspect imho, it is very WHITES ONLY

Skip to around 5:25 for one of the more insanely racist moments of modern cinema.

Indeed. Reminds me of the Portlandia "Coffee Land" sketch.

john hughes' films don't have any other specious racial stereotyping iirc, unless there's something i'm forgetting. at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era.

There's a pretty racist scene in Vacation (which he wrote, but didn't direct) when the Griswolds drive through a Black neighborhood in St. Louis.

I'm a pretty big john hughes fan tbh! I love ferris bueller & home alone & weird science, need to cross the breakfast club off the to watch list.

xp yeah hughes' films are very much the quiddities and agonies of suburban white america

in Hughes' movies, all non-white, urban dwelling people are ethnic criminals FYI

xp

at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era

how about the scene where Anthony Michael Hall "talks black" in Weird Science

wtf hughes did home alone

the 'police academy' films are chock full of this kind of shit too

btw I watched sixteen candles and metropolitan within like a few weeks of each other and metropolitan clearly ripped sixteen candles off in the female lead department didn't it?

or they're caricatures that want to anally rape you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfipl5BYBqo

hollywood is vv white btw

I was watching Uncle Buck over Christmas and thinking "this is pretty aggressively heteronormative" but... John Candy. I just love the guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu-p_OQChKQ&feature=related

it's kind of amazing how many scripts i've read which have these kinds of scenes and how many of them got made.

look out! black people!

xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaJhLyDhsgc

i don't mind offensive humor but the stuff is 99% coming from the minds of rich white dudes, which is why shit like the al qaeda joke in 'crank' is kind of unforgivable to me.

Not to mention the "primitive cultures" line/cutaway in that scene.

xp

ppl will probably be smdh over this in 20 years too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL_0ech5F5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_CUV0Er7EE

ppl will probably be smdh over this in 20 years too

that is an ... odd character yes.

the rolling-up-the-window thing is totally funny tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E8-NklZobg

i don't mind offensive humor but the stuff is 99% coming from the minds of rich white dudes

― omar little, Monday, January 9, 2012 4:39 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my friend just gave me his brother in law's (white american dude who works in finance) movie script and 90% of it was this kind of racist bullshit

but it was the kind of bullshit that could easily get made

easily made bullshit

amazed how many scripts include stuff like CUT TO: SCARY BLACK GUY or DOG REACTION SHOT or misogynist bullshit passed off as gospel truth.

if this were a thread about racism in non-comedies i'd just be going on about the fuckedupness of assault on precinct 13

wait, what is wrong with DOG REACTION SHOT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T55ArHjeR1c

racist as hell, mostly cringe-worthy & regrettable, but I can't help but lol @ the post-bacchanal exchange b/w the donger & grandpa.

Dong, where is my automobile?

Character is much more richly developed in Dong Is Missing.

Is Borat any different from Long Duk Dong?

not really, but i'm the only person that's going to agree w/ you on that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsywLclz8A8

john hughes did papa johns

Revenge of the Nerds is PACKED with this stuff, PLUS it ends with a comic rape scene!

At the weekend, ITV broadcast Disney's One of Our Dinosaurs is Missing, complete w/ Sir Peter Ustinov as wiley/ludicrous oriental:

http://www.sirpeterustinov.com/dinopubigcopy.jpg

John Hughes, of course, wrote for National Lampoon magazine in the 70s, and that's incredibly racist a lot of the time

http://i43.tower.com/images/mm107558347/mastermind-zero-mostel-vhs-cover-art.jpg

Zero Mostel, ladies and gentlemen

http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Dr.Lao.JPG

Tony Randall, ladies and gentlemen

oh damn

16 Candles also has the following exchange between MR and her best friend:

And you do it on a cloud

without getting pregnant

or herpes.

I don't need the cloud.

Just a pink Trans Am

and the guy, right?

A black one.

A black guy? (Sounds completely horrified)

A black Trans Am.

A pink guy.

That whole convo was always pretty o_O to me.

"if this were a thread about racism in non-comedies i'd just be going on about the fuckedupness of assault on precinct 13"

The original or the remake?

The last time this was brought up on ILX, I think someone posted a link to an article by an Asian-American writer with a detailed decription of how the image Long Duk Dong affected the way he was treated as teenager (similar to the Adrian Tomine comic). I remember the writer mentioning that before LDD, the stereotypical image of Asian guys was Bruce Lee, but at least Lee was a badass kung fu guy, so Long Duk Dong replacing him was actually a turn for the worse. Can anyone locate that article, I thought it was a good reading on this subject?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88591800

Oh yeah, that's it, I guess I misremembered that it was written by Martin Wong instead of him being interviewed for it.

The original or the remake?

didn't know there was a remake. original came to mind after people were talking about john hughes' terror @ inner-city black people. precinct 13 seems like it comes from the mind of someone who's never been in a city and thinks that black people are all sociopathic sadists who will kill your innocent white daughter as she eats her ice cream cone.

oh for fuck's sake i just remembered it was my blackface/golliwog friend that made me watch it

I think you should refer to him as that, to his face.

introduce him to people that way

"Hi, this is my friend, Mr. Blackface Golliwog."

"..."

"Well its not offensive in England."

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sxjPDDtsXdc/Ti_-g1K8EUI/AAAAAAAAESE/WyzwbzSFRYk/s1600/marlon-brando-the-teahouse-of-the-august-moon.jpg

precinct 13 seems like it comes from the mind of someone who's never been in a city and thinks that black people are all sociopathic sadists who will kill your innocent white daughter as she eats her ice cream cone.

?? All the bad guys in the movie are pretty much a mix of white, Latino and black -- and the one who shoots the little girl is as white as white can be, noted weirdo Frank Doubleday:

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsD/4803-939.gif

And the hero of the movie looks like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jCtQBPsvASY/Sfps1jvRuVI/AAAAAAAAAg8/Y9bWaPP71dE/s400/16581-939.gif

I don't think the film's racial politics are anywhere near how you're describing them here. Granted it's been a long time since I've seen it, but that doesn't jibe with my memory of it.

I was wondering that too, I thought maybe he was talking about the remake, which I've never seen. I don't remember the original being as problematic as most of the other films itt, but like you I haven't seen it in over a decade.

Here's how to do it right:

http://www.mastermindboardgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mastermind-board-game-original-cover-art.jpg

My grandparents used to have that game!

I was a teenager in the 80's and I didn't much like Hughes movies. I know that sets me out of the norm but they all seemed so tedious to me.

I like Tomine's take on the character. If the humor had been at all subversive or insightful, it might have been slightly more palatable. Instead, we have a lucky generic Asian who gets to learn from suburban white ppl how to hang out in trees or whatever.

And nail Joan Cusack. Don't forget that.

not really, but i'm the only person that's going to agree w/ you on that

no I totally agree that Borat is racist bullshit

sad misreading of Precinct 13 upthread wtf

What race is Borat denigrating, exactly?

Whatever the entirity of eastern Europe is?

lucky generic Asian

uh this is a really big stretch

Believe Kazakhs weren't too thrilled - although it was really Eastern Europeans he was targeting, he didn't bother to find out anything about Kazakhstan (xp)

the "strange/backwards eastern european" comedy character runs way back (Chico Marx, Yakov Smirnoff, etc), it's an old ethnic stereotype and it's not like Borat did anything that inventive with it, he just upped the gross-out factor. that people though Borat was THE GREATEST COMEDY EVER for some reason was just sad.

I went to high school with someone who was legitimately named D** D****. In retrospect, given that his whole family were the first and only Vietnamese people anyone in Whitehall had ever met (and probably the only ones some people WOULD ever meet), I wonder whether they were more affected by stereotypes like LDD or whether everyone else was just so flummoxed by having a whole family of non-adopted Asian people as neighbors that it never came up.

Chico Marx?!??!?!?!?

Hey whassa matta f' you!!!!!

uh this is a really big stretch

Is it? I don't remember them mentioning what country he was from. The name is a joke and not particularly indicative of any specific Asian country.

I though part of the joke about Borat is that he's Kazak but his vocabulary is sprinkled with idioms common to Russian Jews.

I know someone with the last name of Duong but you pronounce it with a t or a v consonant sound instead xp

MW - have you seen that clip I posted upthread? the whole character is an absurdist, cartoon parody on the level of jar jar binks.

I mean, calling that character a 'generic Asian' implies that there are people who act like that in real life, and that you can find them in Asian communities - which is just patently untrue.

And then there's Ali G...

Leonard "Chico" Marx (March 22, 1887 – October 11, 1961) was an American comedian and film star as part of the Marx Brothers. His persona in the act was that of a dim-witted albeit crafty con artist, seemingly of rural Italian origin, who wore shabby clothes, and sported a curly-haired wig and Tyrolean hat

great example there of the pervasiveness of racism eastern Europeans

Ravelli (Chico): "How did you get to be Roscoe W. Chandler?"
Chandler: "How did you get to be Italian?"
Ravelli: "Never mind — whose confession is this?"

Chico's ethnicity was always indeterminate, which was part of the joke. My larger point was that the stereotype of a strange European immigrant is really common in comedy, and acting like the character is not based on an essentially racist premise is just wrong. see also: Cozen Larry, Latka, etc. we went over this on the main Borat thread.

Borat is a lot more complex than a simple caricature like Long Duk Dong. Although Borat is constructed from elements of stereotype and caricature, there's an ambiguity about exactly who he represents. More importantly, he's not the butt of the jokes - the "normal" people he interacts with are. Also, the audience is always in on the joke that Borat is a constructed character - so there's an element of distance from the stereotypes. A lot of the humor is watching people react in a stereotypical way to something we know is a ruse.

'generic Asian'

I meant non-specified in terms of country.

There's plenty of anti-Italian humor in 30's films, btw. 'Top Hat' for example.

Although Borat is constructed from elements of stereotype and caricature, there's an ambiguity about exactly who he represents.

uh no he is depicted very specifically as being from an actual country where actual people of an actual ethnicity live - Kazakhstan

More importantly, he's not the butt of the jokes - the "normal" people he interacts with are.

really. all those jokes about horrible wife's "wizard sleeve" and his joyously anti-semitic community and his broken diction, he's not the butt of that material? gtfo

uh they make it pretty clear that he's from China xp

Also, the audience is always in on the joke that Borat is a constructed character

lol what movies do you watch where you're NOT sure the characters are constructs

Oh boy a Borat argument in 2012!

just because it's a construct doesn't mean the construct isn't fundamentally racist

xp

I far prefer Borat in short TV segements, btw. I'm partly convinced the movie came about because SBC figured everyone in Britain knew who he was and it didn't make sense to go the US unless they got a lot of footage.

Money

uh they make it pretty clear that he's from China xp

Fair enough. I haven't seen the movie since it came out.

What makes me uncomfortable about both characters isn't that kind of racist stereotype that says 'X ppl are like this' it's the condescending view that an attempt at versimilitude of any kind is pointless and the audience neither knows nor is curious about a credible Chinese or Kazak character as long as they're funny in a 'quirky' way.

Revenge of the Nerds is PACKED with this stuff, PLUS it ends with a comic rape scene!

Revenge also had the Asian stereotype character but doesn't go as far as Sixteen Candles does. but yeah re-watching it I do find it funny how the nerds are supposed to be the good guys even though they are as unethical as the jocks, and maybe even worse (videotaping naked girls without their knowledge, and of course that whole sex scene that's like the most implausible thing on film)

ROTN was explicitly created to be as offensive as possible - all the gratuitous nudity, racist stereotypes, homophobia etc were deliberate

(not defending it btw, just noting that the screenwriters would not dispute the film is racist, sexist, etc)

that people though Borat was THE GREATEST COMEDY EVER for some reason was just sad.

I found a lot of stuff very questionable about the movie and hate the way it was explained by the people who loved the it - like, when he's doing the "manners training" and he brings the hooker, a lot of the glowing reviews said "watch as Borat exposes a group of Southern people to a black woman and see how horrified they are, aren't they terrible racists" when it's like, you bring in a white woman dressed like that and you'll get the exact same reaction, shut the fuck up, it's clear that the movie wasn't about exposing anything. Bruno is the same way, I hate when people say things like "look how Sacha Baron Cohen is exposing America's homophobia!" when you could almost argue that it's worse to NOT be offended by his behavior.

the only point of those movies is to be funny, and to be honest I laughed a lot at both

ROTN was explicitly created to be as offensive as possible - all the gratuitous nudity, racist stereotypes, homophobia etc were deliberate

yeah, the 80's were a weird time of political incorrectness; I realize a lot of this stuff still exists, but the sex/rape scene probably wouldn't fly today, nor would half the stuff on Sledge Hammer

like I saw the awful movie "40 Days and 40 Nights" which also ends on a rape scene (woman on man though) and found it shocking that it was allowed to be in the movie

how would you have felt if it was a man on woman one?

horny

(j/k)

oh man, 40 Days and 40 Nights...

iirc he's basically hallucinating at the end due to going that long without sex

you mean, what if a woman tied herself to the bed and a man broke into the house and raped her? in that case I'd probably be watching a Gaspar Noe film which means I'd be pissed off already

iirc he's basically hallucinating at the end due to going that long without sex

that's true but when he wakes up, he's being raped
what makes it even worse is that his current girlfriend blames him for it too, as though he had a lapse in judgement and winds up apologizing for it

if the roles were reversed here the movie simply wouldn't exist

ROTN was explicitly created to be as offensive as possible - all the gratuitous nudity, racist stereotypes, homophobia etc were deliberate

― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:16 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

ah, the vice magazine approach

yeah it was an incredibly dumb and offensive movie

heh glad I can cross it off my to-watch list - it's often big upped in nerd communities as being a movie 'about us'

it's not really about nerds.

the song they do at the "talent show" is funny tho

I mean just... waht. they dress the asian guy up as a native american for no apparent reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mRG2oAQhso

Revenge of the Nerds is a documentary

I mean just... waht. they dress the asian guy up as a native american for no apparent reason.

I dunno, the scene in Cannibal the Musical where all the native americans are played by Asians is pretty funny, especially since the movie was low budget and didn't involve any actual actors so they did have the excuse of "we didn't know any"

*strikes comedy gong*

I was going to say that the Asian stereotype in ROTN wasn't nearly as bad as Sixteen Candles and then I remembered "Hair pie?" so uh never mind

lol I thought Dayo was still talking about 40 Days 40 Nights. It was very confusing.

"Who are all these nerds strongly identifying with Josh Hartnett?!"

NERRRRDDD
http://www.peoplequiz.com/images/bios/Josh_Hartnett.jpg-7481.jpg

"uh they make it pretty clear that he's from China xp"

there's an interview with gedde where he explains the donger's accent is korean.

also, ferris bueller and breakfast club feel more racist than sixteen candles, in tone anyway.

gedde was almost 30 yrs old when sixteen candles was released~

it's true, asians do look 'young' *minces proudly*

what was so racist about the breakfast club

breakfast club was racist against goth chicks

and nerds

Breakfast Club is probably the least racist of Hughes' peak period work imho

evidently the name is based on nature?

Some ducks grow phalluses as long as their entire body. In the fall, the genitalia will disappear, only to reappear next spring.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/science/01duck.html?pagewanted=all

It's funny that the rape scene in ROTN has been brought up, but 16 Candles has one too -- Jake Ryan passes off his drunk girlfriend to Anthony Michael Hall to have his way with.

I am horrified by how much I liked this movie when I was younger, because there is so much wrong with it.

Hall does not actually rape her tho iirc

Yeah its strange to watch those and think "wow, you probably couldn't pass that off in a movie today" but there are some shows like Family Guy and 2 Broke Girls that are arguably even worse

I tried to watch 2 Broke Girls last night; I made it 5 minutes

I ended up changing the channel to a Family Guy marathon

x-posts - Well, they sleep together and she has no memory of it (whereas I'm p sure he was supposedly sober) so going by most definitions that would definitely count although I never really thought of it as such but I haven't seen this is a very long time either.

while ROTN implies that it's okay to rape someone as long as you're good at it

how can one be good at rape?

Not getting caught?

by giving her good sex, i guess

._.

that is certainly...one way of looking at it

omg

well, truthfully I don't think the writers or producers thought it as rape, I mean she willingly did it with the guy in the gorilla suit, whoever that guy may be

Well, they sleep together and she has no memory of it (whereas I'm p sure he was supposedly sober) so going by most definitions that would definitely count although I never really thought of it as such but I haven't seen this is a very long time either.

entirely possible I'm forgetting something, mostly I just remember Hall trying to get her in the car etc

the ROTN situation was rape, but not in the violent attacking manner normally associated with the word; dude deceived her into thinking he was her (much larger) boyfriend and revealed himself afterward and she was like "zomg it's you! you are awesome at sex, let's date"

yeah I never understood that scene, either she's one of the least perceptive people in the history of the world or she knew all along, that tramp

oh way xp upthread about the precinct 13 thing, yeah, it's been a long time since i've seen it (i had the same thought then, too though) so i only remembered "inner city", but imo this doesn't actually free it from racist connotation -- "inner city" codes as black and the fear of one may as well be a fear of the other in a modern context (not sure if the 70s was that much different tho). it is possible to have a black protagonist and white bad guys and still perpetuate stereotypes that go along with/parallel racist paranoia.

Yeah its strange to watch those and think "wow, you probably couldn't pass that off in a movie today" but there are some shows like Family Guy and 2 Broke Girls that are arguably even worse

― frogbs, Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:09 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

observe and report

40 yo virgin, except carrell gets puked on before he has a chance

entirely possible I'm forgetting something, mostly I just remember Hall trying to get her in the car etc

― locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, you are but I think I was too because iirc in the morning he asks her if they did it so maybe he was drunk too? Anyway she says she thinks so and then he asks if he was any good to which she responds the same. I think.

Well, they sleep together and she has no memory of it (whereas I'm p sure he was supposedly sober) so going by most definitions that would definitely count although I never really thought of it as such but I haven't seen this is a very long time either.

They have sex, but she had by that point gotten him drunk too, so he doesn't remember it. (Irony!) He asks her something like "Was I good?" and she says "I think so."

haha xp

It's like Eyes Wide Shut, but with a gorilla suit.

lol, yeah

It's all coming back to me now. "Now we're both on the pill!"

x-post

40 yo virgin, except carrell gets puked on before he has a chance

i hated those scenes, completely ruined the movie - "oh no, he's only a virgin due to a series of untimely comic mishaps"

you're also allowed to dislike it because of the whole rape thing fyi

Yeah, you are but I think I was too because iirc in the morning he asks her if they did it so maybe he was drunk too? Anyway she says she thinks so and then he asks if he was any good to which she responds the same. I think.

I think I remember that's how it went down. The thing that gets me is Jake basically said "Lol have fun doing whatever you want to my passed out girlfriend!" which in the movie was supposed to be okay because she was a bitch.

well yeah the setup itself is insanely mysognystic. but it's okay cuz Jake is so DREAMY

Yeah, he totally did which is completely fucked up but something I never really noticed the 3000 times I watched this when I was younger. Messed up.

TBF Michael Schoeffling was incredibly handsome.

Which is, of course, not to say it was OK just that it's a shame that he only ever made like 3 movies.

Mr. Wang from Caddyshack: a relatively benign racist caricature?

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5035/mrwangr.jpg

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/6002/boatdude.jpg

^ compared to this dude, at least.

I watched stupid Vision Quest just for him and the Madonna song, I didn't really notice the fucked up things his character did in 16 candles until much later. xp

does Wang even get any lines in Caddyshack?

x-post -

I just saw that on IMDB! I watched Vision Quest for Matthew Modine (<3 <3) and the awesome training montages. I don't even remember MS being in it!

But MS is definitely the reason I have seen Mermaids more than any one person ever should although I think maybe Mermaids was actually an OK movie? Again that's another that I haven't seen in at least 10 years so I could be wrong.

you're also allowed to dislike it because of the whole rape thing fyi

uhhhh

He had a mohawk, it was awesome. xxp

I remember loving Mermaids, but I haven't seen it since it came out and don't even really remember the plot?

Here you go, ladies:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LikzyndVj-g/S2RthhcDK0I/AAAAAAABV-E/1tcNFHK0jBs/s400/eeeee.jpg

Guys do we really want to encourage frogbs to expound more on the relative "correctness" or rape scens in movies?

does Wang even get any lines in Caddyshack?

p sure its implied that he knows no english. he makes up for it w/ toothy grins & the perpetual auto-shutter of his Nikon.

x-post - Basically Winona Ryder loves him and lusts after him the whole movie until finally they do it in a bell tower while her sister (a very young C. Ricci) nearly drowns and then Cher calls her a whore but then they all dance around the kitchen to a good song and I think it works out OK. Or something like that.

x-posts - damn!

re: breakfast club vs. sixteen candles
total assimilationist bullshit in breakfast club with the ally sheedy makeover. also anthony michael hall ends up doing all their homework.
vs.
the donger triumphs while maintaining his essential donger-ness. anthony michael hall elopes with the prom queen.

can someone remind me what the rape scene in 40 Year Old Virgin was, or at least admit that they got two separate movies mixed up

no rape scene, but the whole thing about trying to find a girl drunk enough to fuck and then driving home with drunk leslie mann with intent to fuck is as rapey as it gets

really- as rapey as it gets?

yeah tbh when you kind of chastised me for not calling that out I assumed I had missed a big chunk of the movie

xp isn't that that Jack Nicholson/Helen Hunt joint?

pretty sure I can think of some rapier scenarios

also the suggestion that Carrell's character would have even gone through with it is a bit suspect imho

if we wanna talk rapey/mysogyny movies featuring Jack Nicholson, look no further than Art Garfunkel's star turn opposite him in Carnal Knowledge

rapier wit

how is "targeting mega-drunk girls for sex" not mega-date rape

and the movie portrays it like normal acceptable male behavior which is only deterred because of a comical amount of vomit. even if carrell's character wouldn't have gone through with it (which i believe) it still normalizes date rape through the other three characters that were pushing him to do it. i can believe that apatow and co were following the status quo of not knowing that date rape doesn't always involve roofies, but that doesn't make it any better

Flower Drum Song was praised for being super progressive in the 60's (mainly because of an almost all Asian cast) but it feels so awkward and weird watching it now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvLUKmprbSU

zachylon you are a) criticizing a movie for an event which does not happen and b) totally ignoring the fact that the movie makes the three other men pushing the "tackle drunk bitches" angle look like fools, liars, and fuckups

simply because a movie depicts a date-rape scenario /= endorsement of date rape

every single one of those three other guys gets a scene where they confess they are afraid of women, inexperienced with them, psychotic in their relationships with them, etc.

whereas 40 Days and 40 Nights implies that it's kind of the guy's fault if he gets raped

i am criticizing it for an event which DOES happen, which is "treat targeting drunk girls at bars as acceptable behavior"

at no point in the film, that i can remember anyway, does anyone actually mention that that goal in itself is fucked up

this is the same argument people were using to defend observe and report: seth rogen's character is a big doofus, therefore the rape scene = funny and insightful. ALL male apatow characters are ridiculous manchildren, that does not mean his films are exempt from this line of criticism

at no point in the film, that i can remember anyway, does anyone actually mention that that goal in itself is fucked up

uh the MAIN CHARACTER

seriously do you even watch movies

Observe and Report is a good movie, Rogen's character is way beyond doofus (he's a fucking psycho!) and I can't believe anyone thinks a movie depicting something = an endorsement of said action in this day and age

you're talking about these characters as if the majority of audiences watching them left the theater thinking "man, what sad, unfortunate cases!" rather than "FUNNY GUYS ARE SO FUNNY WISH MY FRIENDS WERE LIKE THEM"

man frogbs, let me guess, you were the kid in high school that would always be like, "but what about if a woman rapes a man??!? it can happen!"

what if I left thinking, "FUNNY GUYS ARE SO FUNNY, thank god they are fictional characters because I would hate to know them irl"?

long duk dong

when does carrell say it's fucked up? did i forget? or are you just referring to the fact that he got puked on instead? i don't think we were supposed to read that as him suddenly having a moral change of heart. it was "i got puked on and i don't want to have sex anymore."

are you serious

jon, i enjoyed 40 yo virgin and found the characters funny, but it is possible to do that and also accept that it had a fucked up scene

really did not expect this to be so controversial, i'm just going to stop posting about things forever because jesus

thx

man frogbs, let me guess, you were the kid in high school that would always be like, "but what about if a woman rapes a man??!? it can happen!"

Uhhh, where am I implying this? I'm saying the same thing that I say in other threads, that if the roles were reversed and the result winds up being something totally fucked up, then the idea is probably not a good one in the first place

Observe and report was not actually that good. I have never seen 40 yo v in it's entirety but - wait - is this covo really still happening?

man frogbs, let me guess, you were the kid in high school that would always be like, "but what about if a woman rapes a man??!? it can happen!"

What did you guys think about the woman-on-man rape in Get Him to the Greek, not to mention the anal violation by Russell Brand's character? (Hill's character's friends actually laugh when he tells them "I was just raped".)

a rape in cinema thread

Also 16 Candles is all kinds of fucked up. Before the jock passes off his gf to AMH's character, doesn't he actually say something like "--- is upstairs passed out right now. I could have my way with her six different ways if I wanted."

Oh, yeah, I guess we deviated from the original point. I hated Borat too?

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What did you guys think about the woman-on-man rape in Get Him to the Greek, not to mention the anal violation by Russell Brand's character? (Hill's character's friends actually laugh when he tells them "I was just raped".)

its one thing if they're passing it off as a joke (it's a comedy after all), but when it's actually a major plot point it kind of begs you to take it seriously which is why that one stood out so much to me

frogbs, I was just zinging you because you kept bringing up this scene in that shitty Josh Hartnett movie when we'd all moved on to talking about Steve Carrell

ultimate moral of the story in 40yov is that steve carrell's friends were all idiots with regards to women+sex and that he really shouldn't have been listening them ever (even if it worked out in the end), right?

re the borat/hangover as perceived in twenty years time thing - i can't remember sixteen candles, is the tone of it such that this character is supposed to be an offensive caricature (cf borat and the senor chang in the hangover) or does he just happen to be one?

to be honest I wouldn't even look that deeply into 40yov, pretty much all of Apatow's movies go completely off the rails just to fit in a few more jokes, there's not really a consistent message anywhere

ultimate moral of the story in 40yov is that steve carrell's friends were all idiots with regards to women+sex and that he really shouldn't have been listening them ever (even if it worked out in the end), right?

Yes

doesn't apatow have a pretty consistent disney princess-marrying-prince fantasy for manchildren message?
hughes is more this weird suburban nostalgia that gets more reaganesque on each iteration.

I think the dinner scene in 16, linked above, is as much about the embarassing parents as it is fresh-off-the-boat jokes.

Also 16 Candles is all kinds of fucked up. Before the jock passes off his gf to AMH's character, doesn't he actually say something like "--- is upstairs passed out right now. I could have my way with her six different ways if I wanted."

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:18 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah

I think the dinner scene in 16, linked above, is as much about the embarassing parents as it is fresh-off-the-boat jokes.

― 40 yoevoo (Eazy), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

well yeah and the idea of the uncle only hosting the dude for free labor - still doesn't make the actual character any more acceptable though.

ffs he's using inverted silverware as chopsticks, haha, very funny.

a movie is either well made or badly made, etc etc

dayo have you watched flower drum song lately

the uncle gets his comeuppance when the donger destroys his automobile.
compare with japanese howard cosell in better off dead, who loses to hero john cusack.

nope gr80 (looks like another doozy)

its basically an entire cast of long duk dongs but instead of being funny you're supposed to marvel at how normal they are and how they have hopes and dreams and trials and tribulations just like white ppl

couldn't have been more cringeworthy than joy luck club starring andrew mccarthy.

There should be a "worst Andrew McCarthy movie" poll, bc they're all pretty bad.

my dad tells Chinese laundry/Japanese pilot/etc jokes, the same ones, every time I see him. his grandson, my son, is Asian, but next time I see dad I will still get to hear plenty of vintage WWII jokes about those goofy Asians, I'm quite sure. just in case you were wondering "why's underrated a so fucked up?" there is another piece of the puzzle for yall

my dad tells irishman jokes fwiw but this may be not the same as that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL43kndiLxI

I feel like that scene is a pretty good summation of everything wrong with 'comedy' movies in the '80s.

before reading the thread: saw this movie for the first and only time about six years ago, and was absolutely gobsmacked at how gross and racist the character was, to the point that I can't remember anything else at all about it. except maybe someone wakes up in a car outside a house party somewhere near the end? anyway, racist and not funny, if you didn't infer that already.

brando
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTpICKGgZXI

burgess meredith, james mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnbq_tUQ2DA

having read the thread I vaguely remember being grossed out by rapiness too, was that the car thing I was thinking of? anyway, horrible horrible movie and any country that gets up in arms about b&w archival editions of Tintin Au Congo with contextualising introductions but allowed this on video shelves should be cast out of the EU IMO

some of the Chow stuff in Hangover made me a bit squeamish, but Leong is a great clown so

How does a movie like The Party fit into this issue, it occurs to me? I mean I love that film, but I did always wonder about Seller's character in it.

anybody catch that Last Comic Standing from a few years ago (the year Iliza Schlesinger won) in the preliminaries, where that one dude did 'sketch comedy' where he pretended to be a Japanese fighter pilot getting taken down by an American?

that was like the worst thingin the history of man

The Party is another one where I saw it as a grown-up after everyone in the world had been going "lol this movie is a classic everyone can enjoy over and over again" for years and my reaction was "wtf this shit is disgusting"

how fuckn old are u

Ugh, I think The Party is my Dad's favourite movie.

i've never seen it but looks fucking awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOGx3P5THJs

claudine longet at her best

longet duk dong

Sellers does some of his alltime best bits in The Party.

from that trailer it looks like he could have played a goofy dude of his own ethnicity and it would have been just as fucking awesome

i have to see this movie

LOL I dont remember that "you meshuggah!" "I'm not your sugar!" joke.

Also yeah OTM on the fact he could have just played himself. which is why I mentioned this film - its like, what was the point of being indian? was being a goofball meant to be excused by being a naive "ethnic"?

well he couldn't have played himself because then the movie would be about a super weird asshole

"who would invite HIM to a party?" smdh oh boy i bet this fuckin punjab sure fucks this party up good

what's next, black people golfing?

i see yr The Party and raise you Curry and Chips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd_Vjq5MEeQ

Somehow also related: the German dub of "Harold and Kumar" has Kumar speaking with an absurd Apu from the Simpsons accent throughout, done by a German actor -- the dudes who dub his father and brother do not have the comedy accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQTAg7lN9A

i cant tell that that is an apu accent in german so i have to take your word for it

I promise you that that is a very poor comedy Indian accent. (Someone else who speaks German back me up here, please.)

i don't speak german but i can hear it in places. which i guess means it's pretty strong.

For comparison, here is the German Apu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7jwF7fQBwI

lol I'm guessing the makers of H&K approve of that anyway

what was the point of being indian?

Re: "The Party", I because the comedy Indian doctor was a character he'd already played in "The Millionairess" which in turn had led to the the hit single (with Sophia Loren), "Goodness Gracious Me".

I guess it's also kinda dodgy that the German trailer for Harold & Kumar advertises John Cho as "the Asian from American Pie"... Especially since Cho has exactly one line in AP, and it has nothing to do with being Asian. (He's one of the two guys discussing the meaning of "MILF".)

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think the character in the party is different from the one in the Millionairess? spike milligan, of course, was born in India, which may have rubbed off on sellars in some way...

I wonder if the German trailer for Pulp Fiction had "the black guy from Jurassic Park as Jules"?

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How do you say MILF in German?

Merkel

MIMF?

(Mutter ich möchte ficken)

think the character in the party is different from the one in the Millionairess?

Yes, definitely, but, probably more because of the record, I imagine it was a comic character he became associated with, one of his "voices"

I think the US promotion did the same thing: "the asian guy from american pie" & "the indian guy from _____ [something else?]"?

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yeah, tbf i think it was a pretty knowing reference

I always find it crazy that John Cho never headlined a movie outside of Harold and Kumar!

what are the movies with Asian leads that he's missing out on?

yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying, even movies like "21" that should have Asian leads were white-washed, which is dumb because the fact that the dudes were Asian was a part of the "real" story

I guess I don't really know too many Asian-American actors but Cho always seemed to be a lot better than the roles he got (well, H+K is classic in its own way)

good news though, from checking IMDB it seems he'll be reprising his role as "Milf Guy #2" in American Reunion

He's Mr. Sulu now, he doesn't need your mercy cameos.

lol did you guys not see the titles from that german clip?

KUMAR, der Indar aus "Party Animals." und HAROLD der Asiate aus "American Pie"

do the translation y'all, Germany still refining the racism game

thats how it was adveristed in the US, too
i'm not sure how pointing out a guy's race is "refining the racism game", bad taste for sure but kinda like a 1/10 on that scale

I think lingering on Apatow films might be dodging some of the other offenders that are worse. Did I ever mention on ilx that I was tired and just wanted to stay in my hotel room on a trip a few weeks back and "Hall Pass" seemed like an OK movie to order? I forgot to check the directors and thought it'd just be dumb, but... it was the Farrelly brothers.

Party Animals=Van Wilder

i think he's referring specifically to the translation of "Asiate"

um, pointing out a guy's race is pretty much the racism game for sure

The plot of the first Harold and Kumar movie, outside of their quest for sliders, was an examination of what it means to be Asian-American! It was all about the expectations Kumar's dad had for him to live up to as kind of a cultural signpost, Harold being the guy who gets shit on at work because he's a conscientious worker, the interaction with the Asian student club that they run into at the school...

racist, not funny, but the racism isn't why it's "not funny"

― reconstituted pork offal slurry (get bent), Monday, January 9, 2012 4:46 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^ otm

They did consciously cast them as specifically Indian and Chinese, though, and their charcaters are written true to certain stereotypical notions so it may be less the distributors as the whole enterprise that has a whiff of racism about it not that Kumar's whole scene imagining living with his bag of weed and NPH didn't kind of redeem that for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6NIikVmDQ

um, pointing out a guy's race is pretty much the racism game for sure

believe it or not there are reasons to point out a guy's race that do not revolve around "race hate"

the joke there wasn't that they were being racist, the joke was that neither of the leads had a recognizable starring role and that at the time more people would know who you were talking about if you said "The Indian guy from Van Wilder" instead of "Kal Penn"

Was looking for more overseas comedy and found this instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMghvnqDhT8&feature=related

Sajak sounds as surprised as anybody in that clip.

pretty sure that's fake

Well, yeah, because Kal Penn had played a pretty bad stereotype in that film! The premise was pretty much "here are these dudes who have either been undercast due to race (Harold) or cast as a bad stereotype (Kumar) in a film where they are, in fact, a Korean-American and Indian-American and deal with what those roles often mean."

I agree there are reasons to point out race that aren't racist, but the premise of the film pretty much made their ethnic backgrounds a real thing, not a crazy stereotype. The ad campaign is racist, but kind of ironically?

So back to my horrible Farrely brothers point: this movie I watched because I was lazy had an honest-to-god moment where Owen Wilson's character is saved from a hot tub he fell asleep in by two naked dudes who run out of a sauna, and there is a "lol black guy has a huge penis, Irish man has a tiny one" joke

lol that's ridiculous everyone knows irish guys have problematically enormous members wtf

I <3 threads were we can get frogbs' incredibly nuanced take on racism. Dude should write a newsletter. Wait.

I agree there are reasons to point out race that aren't racist, but the premise of the film pretty much made their ethnic backgrounds a real thing, not a crazy stereotype. The ad campaign is racist, but kind of ironically?

right. I do kinda feel like H+K dealt with race in a way that was a lot smarter than most similar movies (like all the ones mentioned above).

its basically an entire cast of long duk dongs but instead of being funny you're supposed to marvel at how normal they are and how they have hopes and dreams and trials and tribulations just like white ppl

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long duks dong imo

did I mention since it's the Farrelly brothers I assume they had comedic penis prosthetics or animation or something? And that said penises were on camera way too long?

farrelly bros seem kind of too tasteful for that. maybe it was wachowski bros?

look, criticise the present day Farrellys all you want but their initial three film run rivals any in the 90s.

farrellys definitely on the progressive axis of grossout humor (versus say weirdly conservative christian producers of american pie)

Kevin Smith having Randall's face get splattered with a gallon of diarrhea was pretty progressive too

I don't think I'd sit through any Farrelly film from the 90s as an adult! Maybe Kingpin, but they only directed and did not write that one.

Kingpin is amazing

yeah <3 kingpin. i was unaware they had not written it. i guess that makes sense

Bill Murray's character in that movie was so incredible. Only Nic Cage himself could have done it better

no he couldn't

they didn't write it? kingpin seems sentimental enough to be them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX-Z5L-cJhA&feature=related

Anyone who hates Kingpin hates life.

have to rep for dumb and dumber tho

i've noticed people kind of repping for Kingpin as the "underrated" one in the early Farrelly's canon but Dumb and Dumber is a modern classic

yeah but everyone thinks that, while Kingpin still feels kinda underground

kingpin snuck under the radar a little and is more adult in humour, maybe, but agree

ilx y'all on a serious racism binge at the moment

?
kingpin's way less racist than some other bill murray movies about sad, broken people.

*barfs up racism*

racist, not funny, but the racism isn't why it's "not funny"

― reconstituted pork offal slurry (get bent), Monday, January 9, 2012 9:46 PM (2 days ago)

^^ this

also "the party" is such worthless druggy slogging crap that the racism is just one of its many awful parts

<3 kingpin <3

lemme save potential the party viewers some time - peter sellers in bad makeup, someone sings a song, flower children and hanger ons fall in a pool while a painted elephant runs around FOREVER

sounds fucking rad

Hall Pass was so boring. Their new movies are all so fucking boring.

The Dumb and Dumber sequel is gonna be so terrible :(

never forgave kingpin the hoars feet

The Dumb and Dumber sequel is gonna be so terrible :(

Another one? The prequel was so awful too.

yeah, the Farrelys, Daniels and Carrey are doing it though

Yeah just read up on it via wiki. Not too promising to see the scriptwriters are also churning out latter day Adam Sandler scripts.

Scratch that. Directing latter day Sandler films.

Like many itt, I'm shamefully weirded by my blithe, teenage enjoyment of the Donger and his devotion to his new-style American girlfriend. I remember being called on the glaring racism a few years later when professing my Hughes-love to a more politically astute college acquaintance and struggling to justify it as "ironic" or some such bullshit. For an era so devoted to subversive faux-naiveté, the 80s were awful goddam naive.

Bill Murray's character in that movie was so incredible. Only Nic Cage himself could have done it better

Nothing Bill Murray has ever done could ever be done better by anyone, ever.

not to mitigate anyone's shame, but the donger's 80s naive exceptionalism is still better than, say, star trek voyager's 00s condescending tokenism. i guess what i'm saying is to think about rebalancing your shame portfolio. i don't know if anyone ever enjoyed star trek voyager, though.

2 Broke Girls And 1 Racist Motherfucking Executive Producer

Really loving the "I can't be racist, I'm gay!" argument being posited here.

next up: the jive talkers in "airplane!"

nakh posted this in the rolling china thread

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/11/british-chinese-racism/print

on point imo.

hooooly shit

I feel like I'm spoiled by my group of friends and immediate family because when anything resembling any of that comes out of a coworker or acquaintance's mouth I almost blurt out "WHAT THE FUCK"

Ha, I just added The Party to my Ziplist. The discussion made me intrigued to watch it again. I think I was 10 the last time I saw it and I did think it was funny. I've also been going through a weird phase of thinking that my Dad might have occasionally got something right.

going to watch the breakfast club right now for the first time

their high school is so nice

Iiiii KNOOOOW! I've always been fascinated by high schools that have more than one story, for one thing. Two floors!!

what! mine had several.

so is the whole movie just twelve angry teens?

yes but tbf there is also a janitor

Pretty much. Its all set in almost-real-time, too.

My high school's library kind of looked like the one in this film, with the mezzanine bit.

my high school was one story, spread out, lots of open space, basically every school in my city was like that. on a certain level I felt like I wasn't getting the 'hs experience' cause my school didn't look like a large multistory brick building etc. etc.

some people I know went to high schools that had multiple buildings

You mean multiple campuses? Mulitple bldgs doesnt seem that unusual. Ours was like that - mind you most of those were crappy temporary huts not far removed from shipping containers (very shitty old school, library aside)

there was like a science building

We only had one floor, no pool, no courtyard, no fancy entrance, no auditorium, and nobody hung around outside except in the parking lot. I feel cheated.

we had 6 buildings. 3 of them, 60s or 70s pre-fabs, were 3 stories. total shithole tho.

I'm guessing bender comes from a broken family

my high school: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_High_School_(Des_Moines,_Iowa)

tbf I spent half my time at a magnet school for AP classes and some vocational-type ones

SPOILER

"shut up bitch! go fix me a turkey pot pie" iirc

xp

we had block scheduling too, tho the 'split the year in two' type

Facebook friends have confirmed it: my high school had two storeys + a basement. (This sums it up: large multistory brick building. Looks a bit like a factory or something.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merivale_High_School

The magnet school I went to was a factory! They finally did a lot of renovations in the last few years that make it look a little less so, but it was originally a Ford factory, then a small aircraft factory before later becoming the technical high school in the 60s.

horseshoe otm

My school was all one building, and it covered K-12.

OMG that sounds disastrous.

mine was all one building to, but 5-12. four floors, a roof (where recess was) and a basement.

Haha, the high school was a two-story wing about 100' long. The grade school (K-6) was your fairly typical one-story brick school building. The junior high wing was basically a hallway connecting the two, with classrooms along one side.

My school was all one building, and it covered K-12.

My school was like that, except it was two large buildings next to each other on a big plot of land. The year I graduated they added a third across the street.

To help maybe with the perspective here, my graduating class was 42.

Mine was one of the largest - in terms of physical space, not number of students - in the country (I've heard it's in the top 5). It was built for 6000 students, though that had dipped to around 3000 when I was there. 6 gyms, 2 pools, 4 cafeterias, a field house, an auditorium, and two additional theaters.

damn! you win

Man that sounds like one of the recentish high schools they built out in Naperville that resembles a college campus more than a high school.

Also, our chief rival was the school where The Breakfast Club was filmed (sort of; there was a New Trier East and West, and West was closed/vacant for years, which is where TBC was filmed).

It's ETHS, which I'm guessing has been surpassed in size since the 80s.

Ha, yeah, thats still huge though. I live about a mile and a half directly south of there.

i just started GISing for photos of my high school and found this totally breakfast-club style picture i would like to share with the thread:
http://i.imgur.com/A5C1A.jpg

Oh, cool. Yeah, I assumed some new schools had come up since then that were the size of malls or something.

xp

going to school in a mall would be dope

ha that exists somewhere in canada, let me find the link

okay I failed at finding it but I know it's in some huge vancouver suburb as part of this train-station/mall complex

haha that's like all of my fav-o-rite things

just finished TBC and I don't think I 'get it' maybe I should have watched it 10 years earlier. probably a catcher in the rye type sitch

dont you

forget about me.

I probably would have liked this movie more if the nerd had done something cool in the end like get laid. oh well I guess nerds always lose, even in john guhhes movies

16 candles & nat'l lampoon's vacation are pretty nerd victorious I thought.

ferris bueller's is the best JH movie by a country mile.

i went to high school with his nieces but this was during the era of "flubber" so it wasn't very cool

It really is a bit of an 80s "had to be there" thing, I think. At least I think so? younger ppl I know never seem to get into it.

I always envied that schools in other countries had cafeterias! We just had a "tuckshop" - a shed out of which they sold crap like meat pies, samdwiches and drinks, and you had to sit out in the concrete playground rain, hail, snow or (40+degC) shine.

...I went home for lunch every day instead.

it took 40 minutes to get home, I took my lunch every day. Four times a year I got to buy a pie from the tuckshop as a treat.

I was lucky, I lived next door to my highschool, otherwise I'dve had to take lunch as well I imagine.

tell me more of these meat pies.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2q8658l.jpg

My senior high school (in Finland the classes that Americans call "junior high" are part of elementary school) had 4 stories and a basement, but it's an old school dating back to the 19th century:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Visit-suomi-2009-05-by-RalfR-054.jpg

As a building, it was a pretty cool place to go to, at least compared to the grey, "modern" concrete school I went to before that:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/5/9574225_1b951278fa.jpg

my h.s. was gargantuan

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/5355571.jpg

not pictured: football field, environmental preserve, backup power station

probably some of the fields are cut out also

Holy shit, that's huge!

What's the thing on the left if it's not a football field?

I'll put in a guess for rugby?

What thing on the left exactly?

The thing that looks like a football field although without grandstands or goalposts and is surrounded by a track.

okay, wait, I opened that up in a new tab and the yellow thing is a small grandstand

That was used for track (obviously), soccer practices/games, and possibly football practice. But the actual football games were played on a separate field in the next block, with grandstands on both sides.

(and apparently, D-40 and I went to the same high school!)

deej is that lane tech?

aerial photo of my high school:

http://i.imgur.com/MKIxE.png

my high school in Kazakhstan

http://editorial.designtaxi.com/news-biggesttent1207/2.jpg

Last time I saw mine it looked a bit like this, not exactly though:

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_495/12712618068FuvB8.jpg

My HS was tiny. Here's a Google Maps pic of my school, w/features labeled. This held about 500 students total (my graduating class was 120). Note, no football field, despite us having a surprisingly competitive team.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4792/oldperryhs.jpg

And here is the crazy K-12 campus they built three years after I graduated, when they were flush with property taxes from the nearby nuclear power plant, taxes that had been abated for the previous 15 years. For reference, the school shown above is at the lower right in this picture.

Also, LOL street names:

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/1372/newperryhs.jpg

my high school is now a middle school (and has an Olympic-sized pool, lol)

do they keep the middle school in the Olympic-sized pool?

lol

there's an entire athletic wing with the pool and a bazillion basketball courts, next to the 300 seat auditorium

most of the classrooms are in a square with an open courtyard (I think there were 3 floors? someone else remind me) with the industrial/agricultural arts wing in a separate building off to the side past the cafeteria

deej is that lane tech?

I won't out deej's high school unless he wants to, but nope its not lane tech.

god, midwestern schools

i know right? so provincial

Mine was a typical California suburban build-as-cheaply-as-possible type. I think we had about 2100 students.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

DO NOT HOTLINK

Maybe I'll try later at home.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2009/05/01/1225706/270616-meat-pie.jpg

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/greenoahu/movies/long-duck-dong-1.gif

inspired by this thread, Adrian Tomine is putting up the original art from his comic for auction: http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7054&lotIdNo=58001

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well that's p interesting

cool, good to know

nice to see that in 2012, 42 members of socially progressive message board ILX find a racist, flagrantly offensive and stereotypical asian character written by a white guy from a rich chicago suburb to be 'funny'

just gonna ignore the bottom half of the results, too

46 of you really need to eat shit, every day, for the rest of your lives

does today count? good thing i already did eat that.

next, Pacino's Scarface

socially progressive message board ILX

dayo, you might want to take a look at the last 6 hours of the Occupy thread. (Nah.)

gr8080 what high school did you go to? (BESIDES B2 you original biospherean sillypants)

also the "is this racist?" thread. (nah.) xp

not sure if i'm more amazed that ilxors find LDD "not racist" or that they find him "funny"

abbott i went to CDO, which hasn't ever appeared in a teen movie but did show up in an issue of FOUND magazine as an illustration a student did, adorned with a mushroom cloud rising out of the center of campus

You know I never did find that funny at all!

46 of you really need to eat shit, every day, for the rest of your lives

things white people say

http://i.imgur.com/ey8hf.jpg

hulkin out frog

xx-post uh no one in the thread found that stereotype funny! Where did you get that?

― mh, Friday, January 27, 2012 2:54 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there, now can we stop this stupid charade people

Was wondering when you were going to see this.

I said in the thread not in the poll

douche

Also, that hulking out frog is both adorable and disgusting. I am so conflicted!

btw I meant to type touche, but you can just pronounce douche like that instead

sure you did

I said in the thread not in the poll

douche

you have to like, consider the subtext man

things white people say

things the fathers of Asian children say, you worthless piece of shit.

i guess you're really the victim here then

wow you need to settle down

At least we got to see everyone's huge fucking midwestern high schools. That was a nice point in this thread.

man I know suggest bans only count once but it feels so good to do it again

It's interesting, dayo. I had actually composed a huge response to you talking about frogs on some other thread this weekend, but my shitty new cellphone wouldn't post it. I tried like three or four times, to no avail. My whole thought was a solid paragraph long, but the gist was "okay, he's an ass, but I honestly think he's trying to engage in discourse with us."

I no longer believe this!

^^^ That was what I thought last week too when I called people out on jumping all over his posts. I no longer believe it either, sadly.

my very first sb!

my first in a long time, and I don't even SB ppl who call me a fucking bitch.

I might SB you if you keep ignoring my fb friends request! >:O (kidding, obv)

Im curious as to the HS posted here:

― I Love Pedantry (D-40), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:14 AM

I don't know people's names, send a message! xp

Also, that hulking out frog is both adorable and disgusting. I am so conflicted!

― ENBB, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:18 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

enbb, frogbs apologist

My whole thought was a solid paragraph long, but the gist was "okay, he's an ass, but I honestly think he's trying to engage in discourse with us."

I appreciate that but I think only a select few were actually trying to engage on a level that wasn't name-calling

I guess you're really the victim here then.

tbf the response I'm seeing to a couple people name calling is typically to be cryptically sarcastic and then treat ilx like you don't care what anyone thinks for another day or so

i'm not going to pretend like i don't care, rather a little shocked at the kind of logical fallacies that normally smart posters succumb to when talking about an issue that's even a little controversial

Could you explain this fallacy?

I think what you're not getting is that we don't have to have group consensus or bully someone into being right or wrong

like, the people who find this shit funny aren't really posting to the thread, but they obviously are on ilx for some reason or another

So if you're perpetually getting said "hey, no one speaking hereis buying your arguments and we do find this offensive" then explaining to someone why it isn't offensive, when they obviously have the right to be offended, isn't going to go anywhere

to be fair, the only way I get along is by not posting on threads that are heated where I have a strong opinion, because it doesn't help me OR the discussion most of the time. and if I feel genuinely underqualified, as white midwestern dude who has asian friends but no huge personal stake, I'm going to let it go

for instance, dayo and aero are pretty cool dudes imo and they have a personal stake here, so even if I did find this shit funny, I'd be seriously asking myself why, or at least not be outright saying "HEY PEOPLE FIND THIS FUNNY" because I respect them

ok I've done my community service for the week, where's my free coffee

you're entitled to steal coffee from a 7-11 now

Well the thing I was trying to hammer home over and over is that I do believe it's offensive and in bad taste, and that's part of what makes it funny TO SOME PEOPLE. In the case of this character, I found the fact that somebody would think that he's typical of anything to be funnier than the character itself, but also, that yes, I laughed at a few of his lines (and would have even if the character was a space alien), and that yes I didn't really feel good about it, but using that to make sweeping generalizations on MY character is stupid. I have a personal stake in a lot of race issues too but IMO that only loosely applies here and I think I tend to give people a lot more credit. I get the "I have Asian kids, you shouldn't laugh at Asian stereotypes" argument, but when it turns into "you're a shitty person for laughing at this who obviously has some deep seeded racist beliefs" when I grew up with a ton of Asian people, none of whom were anything like this character, then yeah I'm going to get all uppity about it. If you asked me "could you go back in time and destroy this film", yeah, I would.

his idea that people are shitty for laughing at it is just, like, his opinion, man. don't get all butthurt for one person drawing a hard line in the sand

stop saying "deep seeded" you shitstain

That and the use of phase instead of faze are going to be the slow silent death of me.

yeah I'm going to get all uppity about it

you guys need to recognize a true master

frogbs honestly may be the best troll we've ever had

ha
xp

I just can't...

I think we may be too dumb to be properly trolled. At least I am.

comparing asians to space aliens nagl for your argument

frogbs honestly may be the best troll we've ever had

no question at all

nice to see that in 2012, 42 members of socially progressive message board ILX find a racist, flagrantly offensive and stereotypical asian character written by a white guy from a rich chicago suburb to be 'funny'

just gonna ignore the bottom half of the results, too

― dayo, Monday, January 30, 2012 6:19 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whats wrong with chicago >:(

If Ferris Bueller is supposed to represent the idealized Chicago, where the neatest thing for a kid playing hooky is to go to a snooty restaurant and then a museum, then sing in a white pride parade, then that's what's wrong with Chicago.

pretty much the white suburban chicago dream right there

I don't get it at all. My mom would kill me if I made fun of an Asian! Plus he is kind of cute. As far as Ferris Bueller I knew people like that in high school, you are supposed to listen to new wave music, get mad at your dad and then kill yourself. Feel bad about being rich!

when i played hooky in the chicago burbs i hung around belmont and clark went to 'the alley' and seedy record shops.

I never played hooky but sometimes we went downtown without telling mom and dad. Get twenty bucks from dad, drive downtown and eat at Melrose.

when i played hooky in the chicago burbs i hung around belmont and clark went to 'the alley' and seedy record shops.

― omar little, Saturday, February 4, 2012 1:56 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol you mean that dank one (that no longer exists) just east of the belmont el right? RIP

when i played hooky in the chicago burbs i hung around belmont and clark...

...at the Punkin' Donuts!

you know it! there used to be a shitty used cd store on clark just south of belmont iirc. this was in 1995 or w/e so it's been a long time. damn i miss that dirty ould town.

that shitty used CD store was there as recently as 2004 or '05 i think. i'm not sure if it's still there now

Disc-G0-R0und? I think it's gone. And it was indeed shitty.

time was when you actually enetered "the alley" through an alley.

I have a lot of sympathy for comedians like Ken Jeong who get shit for playing clowns because, wtf, it's really fun to play a clown and why should they not be allowed to just because of their race. Like only white comedians should be allowed to play lunatics? The problem is when the joke is "lol asian" rather than "lol lunatic" and while I think the line is blurred in something like the hangover, John Hughes adding gongs to every long duk dong scene makes it considerably less blurry in sixteen candles.

The cultural influence of Sixteen Candles is obviously toxic, but one wouldn't have to change much to just make the guy an eager foreign student on a drunken rampage (and as an MBA student I've witnessed some), which one can find the humor and truth in without stripping the character of dignity entirely (and tbh, few characters in sixteen candles have any dignity - surprised the word "bohunk" hasn't come up yet). There's elements of Wantanabe's performance I love that aren't that different than something like McLovin in Superbad, and it's sad that for a variety of reasons that were either out of his hands or he was naive about, they're couched in stuff that's really ugly.

TS: the racist kid in Sixteen Candles who says the mom should burn the sheets after Dong leaves vs. the racist kid in The Last Dragon who calls his older brother a "chocolate covered yellow peril."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxw4uZAezaI

worst chinese accent ever (probably because that girl is obviously a native english speaker)

can we get a gawker post on this?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/superbowl-special-my-nominee-for-most-revolting-ad/252593

what a race to the bottom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJichBWnUbU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFsqkI5gg84

amodei can eat a fucking dick

what other kind of dick is there

guys if we let china invest in our economy then they're going to grind us under their bootheel, just like Japan was able to do after their large american investments of the 80s

wait, japan's economy is crap, never mind

what other kind of dick is there

long duk dong

what other kind of dick is there

a cruel slap in the face to ILX's virgins and chaste persons

holy shit

http://www.debbiespenditnow.com/

http://i.imgur.com/ztiDk.png

it is kind of cool how stuff moves around on that site as you scroll down

too bad abt the race-hate

lol the website design is pretty great

it's pretty cool that stabenow is so well-regarded in china thanks to selling out the american economy, they've actually commissioned a series of hand fans with her face emblazoned upon them.

that is an incredibly well-crafted racist website

the little hand fan that falls down the page as you scroll is magical