STROKES v SPOON

Strokes.

same

voted Spewn

feel like its an interesting comparison cause they are extremely similar bands sitting on either side of the hipster/indie divide

Facts and figures to help in your decision making: The first Strokes album is better than the entire Spoon discography. The second Strokes album is roughly as good as the entire Spoon discography. The entire Spoon discography is better than the Strokes' third album. Spoon was the backing band on the first Sally Crewe album, which is a pretty good album. Spoon is a terrible band name.

strokes bro is a much better songwriter than spoon dude is prob the thing that puts them over the top imo, like spoons phrasing particularly is often very awkward

both are very over produced bands but strokes musicianship shines through more where spoon particularly their recent work sounds more like a beat than a band which is unfortunate imho cause they are excellent musicians

c.) none of the above

both these bands are terrible and boring but i suppose that is not the fun answer this thread is looking for

wld prob rate their albums like

1 is this it
2 kill the moonlight
3 room on fire
4 idk who care lol

both these bands are terrible and boring but i suppose that is not the fun answer this thread is looking for

― marcos, Friday, December 12, 2014 1:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i mean they are both good if you want to listen to something very carefully crafted thats not particularly exceptionally stylish or inventive, they r good tho

most noteworthy thing abt either is prob the strokes influence on fashion

strokes made some good music for approx 2 years the spoon have made good music for almost 20 years

def something to weigh in yr calculations

Strokes never resonated for me and I don't know why.

tho spoons early work doesnt do much for me

(when i listened to it a long time ago)

I wouldn't say Spoon hasn't been particularly inventive...

Spoon being somewhat inventive (Kill the Moonlight): fun
Spoon being pretty straightforward (Girls Can't Tell): kinda boring

ya spoons minimalism is def their most avant aspect

spoon started with 3 really great lively sharp rock albums and then a lot of repetitive coasting

strokes same but 1

this is gonna be tough.

spoon have been more consistently interesting but the strokes' best songs shine really, really brightly.

Spoon by a country mile.

both singers employ affected rock guy voices

i was gonna start a new york dolls vs aerosmith poll, this just reminded me.

lol

Spoon's early work is the only thing that resonates with me, so they have that in their favor. Also, I truly believe the Strokes have the worst-recorded snare drum in all of popular music, so away with them!

it's not funny, i hate starting threads, this is a big deal for me

Singing through a telephone vs. singing with an affected speech impediment

The variety of spin-offs the Strokes engendered only makes for a stronger case for Spoon.

have the worst-recorded snare drum in all of popular music

you're forgetting something: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FQJpgPekoJE/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAg/Ej4PeuAKm5M/photo.jpg

every (midwestern) city has like 9 spooner bands

That's an easy one to forget.

theres that one band who had a hit a few years back that sounds exactly like the strokes theyre called like colorful balloon or something

I suppose with a duo you get less side projects which is a plus here.

Facts and figures to help in your decision making: The first Strokes album is better than the entire Spoon discography. The second Strokes album is roughly as good as the entire Spoon discography. The entire Spoon discography is better than the Strokes' third album.

this about sums it up, except the second Strokes album might even be better than the entire Spoon discography.

The first Strokes album is better than the entire Spoon discography.

I don't even remotely know the entire Spoon discography, and I'm not much on The Strokes either, yet I am entirely sure this is true.

^^^
yes

the Strokes have the worst-recorded snare drum in all of popular music

This really only applies to the first album, really, but it's still not superb on anything else.

the song 'metal detektor' is better than the whole strokes discography

^^^ SOMEONE had to say it

& I don't even hate Is This It?, I just think this thread is giving short shrift to Spoon's immense body of quality indie rock snoozers

snoozecore poll. CAN >>> both

i've never heard the strokes

Spoon's best album is their first, The Strokes' best album is their latest.

first two strokes albums are classic

i don't "get" spoon, their songs aren't catchy or anything

haven't heard the last two strokes albums :(

foh, j!

really?

Spoon wins this easily for me. The Strokes never seemed to accomplish much of anything beyond reinvigorate a Johnny Thunders aesthetic.

is anyone going to be able to top johnny fever in the challops-race

lol prob not

tho i have also not heard the strokes most recent effort

That's not a nuisance challop btw, I honestly feel that way (I'd guess 95% of the talk about Telephono on ilm is from me).

i cldnt even tell u with 100% certainty how many albums the strokes have but im going with 4

the Spoon singer should sing with the Strokes drummer drumming, I think I would like that more than anything either of these two crews of messy haired ne'er-do-wells have brought into the world thus far

Regarding all the "snoozecore" type comments- it's funny that ilx's default position for mainstream indie is negative and for radio pop it's default position is positive and I am cynically suspicious that both of those are just the result of contrarianism.

(xp ^^^ challops)

racoon tanuki has been found!

voted strokes
though i really like the older girls can tell spoon stuff that was off-brand archers of loaf type stuff

these bands shd merge

the third song on the fifth strokes record is better than the fourth song on the second spoon record

THERE I SAID IT

nonononononono I admit it's a "cynical suspicion"

t Evan I only called it snoozecore because I was afraid of getting ridiculed if I expressed my true feelings *blushes deeply*

realistically though, "Dragostea din tei" mops the floor with all USA male vocal pop music of the 21st century

i like Is This It, half of the follow-up and "YOLO" but spoon would have that beat if they broke up before Is This It came out

heh, nah I'm not saying it's to that degree. Just people are more likely to make fun of "indie" when it has mainstream appeal

xps

telephono stuff sounds kinda great now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rEGx9Aou_0

appear more likely*

there's basically a two year window where i could understand preferring the strokes to spoon, and that's just due to my challop that Kill The Moonlight is their most inessential album

tried to listen to series of sneaks but just switched over to kill the moonlight which is what happens when i try to listen to spoon, love this album

Is This It is like the best rock record of the 2000s (the decade, not the century).

But probably also the century.

But at least of 2001.

I think I have negative associations form when it came out cause I tried and could not get into it.

the best rock album of the 2000s pound for pound is royal trux pound for pound

Is This It is a solid album of tight guitar hooks over pulsebeats with a dude groaning vaguely about his sex life over it. spoon has like five of those.

xpost Only because the rest of Trux's discography was released in the '90s. If they had waited, their entire output could've been the best rock album of the 2000s.

i might rank every hot snakes album over is this it, julian casablancas' Iggy Pop Eating Peanut Butter voice has not grown more poignant with time

There are probably better rock records from the 2000s but I haven't heard them so I don't think they count.

meanwhile britt is like the paul rudd of indie rock

stokes first album is fine, idgaf about them after that. big spoon fan tho, folks professing to love spoon's more avant/minimal qualities really need to listen to transference.

every hot snakes album is better than is this it

julian casablancas' Iggy Pop Eating Peanut Butter voice has not grown more poignant with time

― da croupier, Friday, December 12, 2014 2:49 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

like rudd, britt first caught some people's attention in the mid-'90s, profile kept gradually raising through reliable, amiable work and HAS HE EVEN AGED AT ALL

Love Spoon but their best record isn't even an album, it's that single they put out where both songs are dis tracks about their former A&R guy ("The Agony of Lafitte"/"Lafitte Don't Fail Me Now"). A Series of Sneaks, Kill The Moonlight, Gimme Fiction and this latest one are all time.

I like all three of the first Strokes records a lot better than most here, and even like the third better than the second, which I know puts me in challops territory.

If I had to choose, probably Spoon, although a Strokes best-of might beat them.

Oh the Laffitte single's really great.

LaFitte is great. Love Ways is another EP that poses a serious challenge to their proper albums.

Even though it almost sounds like I'm stumping for the Strokes ITT, I have a lot more affection for Spoon. They feel like a warmer bunch to me. Guys you could go bowling with. You know the Strokes don't bowl.

i voted spoon bc they have more good albums, ultimately, but the first strokes album is better than most spoon albums except ga ga ga ga ga & kill the moonlight

I really liked the Julian Casablancas song in the movie Somewhere, "I'll try anything once". Just sleepy vocals and electric piano.

You know the Strokes don't bowl.

yeah this is almost definitely true

i think this thread could be improved with some images

http://wallpaperscraft.com/image/2584/2560x1440.jpg
http://www.therooster.com/sites/default/files/The_Strokes_7.jpg

the casablancas song on the daft punk album ended up being one of my faves off that

The Strokes did that single with Regina Spektor that ruled and that I always forget about.

http://jonesandb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/spoon-band.jpg
http://www.mxdwn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/spoon2.jpg
http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2013/03/spoon.jpg

i.e. all these guys are dorks

dork game v strong altho spoon's tongue in cheek awareness of it gives them the edge imo

I hate their fucking names. What the hell kind of a name is 'Nikolai Fraiture'? Worse than that, guys with stupid names like that always get pussy!

― dave q, Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:00 PM (13 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think "Kill The Moonlight" is my favorite album from any of these two and "The Agony of Laffitte" is the best song in any of these catalogs.

I didn't care about Ga ga ga back in the day and my enthusiasm for them never recovered after that. On the other hand, I never cared about The Strokes. Also, I had never realized "Room on fire" was held in such high esteem. I thought it was a total New Jersey, or at least that's how I perceived it back then.

oh come on, i'm sure the strokes bowl. perhaps only at the chic-est bowling lane/nightclubs in NYC, but they bowl.

lol first thing that comes up for "julian casablancas bowling"

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/09/listen-to-julian-casablancas-and-dev-hynes-talk-ab.html

http://tellusastory.tumblr.com/post/5491606633

Spoon seemed like genuine goofballs live. I appreciate that.

That ball's going straight into the gutter.

I didn't care about Ga ga ga back in the day and my enthusiasm for them never recovered after that. On the other hand, I never cared about The Strokes. Also, I had never realized "Room on fire" was held in such high esteem. I thought it was a total New Jersey, or at least that's how I perceived it back then.

ROF is really good. It would've been a different band's best album. It only really suffered in comparison to its predecessor. The third album (which I can't even remember the name of) didn't do anything at all for me.

first impressions of earth

it is super long and full of the hottest, stinkiest trash

"If First Impressions of Earth were truly my first impression of earth, I'd leave the planet never to return." - some witty reviewer out there, ca. 2006

on the last one where was a fun song with "what kind of asshole drives a Lotus?" in the chorus

I love that line.

But at least of 2001.

― Mr. Bojangus (Old Lunch), Friday, December 12, 2014

or at least for a few months during the year 2001.

spoon, easily, over the stokes.

I would've had a hard time choosing between Is This It and Girls Can Tell back in '01.

"Last Night" vs. "Take The Fifth"? No idea, man.

Girls Can Tell was a bit indistinct. I always wondering what the big fuss was about that record in particular.

wondered*

Neither.

c.) none of the above

― Mailkhimp (Johnny Fever), Friday, December 12, 2014 6:58 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I see JF got there before me! Good man! :D

i mean in a perfect world we would just remember that come home with me by cam'ron came out around the time of the strokes debut and kill the moonlight and be like "wow damn why were we even caring about a rock revival man, smh, let's just put 'losing weight' and 'welcome to NYC' on repeat"

Spoon, so easily. I can't imagine ever listening to the Strokes apart from 3 or 4 songs, Spoon have got 3 or 4 albums I listen to regularly.

I could never understand why The Strokes were getting singled out for praise in the early 00's when there was so much more interesting music being made by others at the time. Not even giving their albums a listen in hindsight made me warm to them, or indeed give me any indication of what the whole fuss was about.

i mean in a perfect world we would just remember that come home with me by cam'ron came out around the time of the strokes debut and kill the moonlight and be like "wow damn why were we even caring about a rock revival man, smh, let's just put 'losing weight' and 'welcome to NYC' on repeat"

this is why i never heard the strokes, i wasn't listening to much rock music or indie rock when they broke and once they were seen as having fizzled i never felt like going back to check out their 15-minutes moment

whereas spoon kept making good records and getting even better acclaim so eventually when i felt like i could do it on my own time i did check them out

I could never understand why The Strokes were getting singled out for praise in the early 00's when there was so much more interesting music being made by others at the time.

Well, yeah. I love the album, but 'interesting' isn't a word I'd use to describe it. It's fun and it's stupid and it rocks.

My Strokes appreciation is probably aided greatly by the fact that I first heard (and quickly bought) the album in a record store. If I'd waited for the hype, I probably wouldn't have given them a chance.

i mean in a perfect world we would just remember that come home with me by cam'ron came out around the time of the strokes debut and kill the moonlight and be like "wow damn why were we even caring about a rock revival man, smh, let's just put 'losing weight' and 'welcome to NYC' on repeat"

― just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Friday, December 12, 2014 4:48 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...interesting choice

haha

strokes are boring spoon is chill there's a difference

lafitte > strokes anything

best rock album of 2000s is Rated R

released the same day as pound for pound!

all downhill from June 2000

Y'know, I was going to vote for the Strokes under the opinion that as tedious as their music was, I spent a lot of 2001/2 wrestling with how physically attractive I found them.

But now I look at photos of them, and I just think... jeez, what kind of heavy drugs was I taking in that period to make that band look even remotely sexy?

(Don't answer that.)

More like Overrated R, amirite?

(Pound for Pound is way cool tho)

BEST ROCK ALBUM OF THE 2000s

i've never knowingly heard anything by either of these bands. should i bother?

no

i did see and enjoy the movie "mysterymen". julian casablancas was the main bad guy in that movie, right?

Facts and figures to help in your decision making: The first Strokes album is better than the entire Spoon discography. The second Strokes album is roughly as good as the entire Spoon discography. The entire Spoon discography is better than the Strokes' third album. Spoon was the backing band on the first Sally Crewe album, which is a pretty good album. Spoon is a terrible band name.

otm except ROF > debut.

I heard a commercial or something the other day where "Reptilia" was the background music and was like, damn that was a good song.

I will rep for at least half the tracks on First Impressions of Earth, esp. You Only Live Once, Razorblade, Vision of Division and Heart In A Cage.

Under Control is the best song on ROF, fuiud.

How can this not be Spoon? This is not even a contest.

p sure i have told this story on this message bord before but its funny so one time i was playing basketball at chelsea piers, it was an off time like mid afternoon so it was just me and a friend shooting around when the court next to us stared filling up with chelsea piers employees shooting around, me and my friend were all whats up u guy gonna play or what can we get in, they were just kinda non comital and weird about it like nah were just shooting, then like ten minutes later julian casablancas shows up and plays a 3 on 3 game with the staff, lol dude hires out his pick up basketball

was he any good?

he was alright, pretty slow but very tall, they played a pretty mellow game made it kinda hard to tell, the staff was maybe taking it easy on him

was he wearing a headband?

is this thread an homage to the placebo vs pixies thread?

i think maybe xp really shdve taken a picture

CASABLANCAS v OBAMA at hoops

I had a major cross on Britt Daniel until I saw him in the Chipotle line at Pitchfork Festival '08 wearing high tops and jorts.

CASABLANCAS v OBAMA

on the Supreme Court docket iirc

stokes

"last nite" is the only strokes song I like. I like their sound on a few others and how their guitars go ching ching ching. I think I like about 5-6 Spoon songs, so Spoon.

CASABLANCAS v OBAMA at hoops

― mookieproof, Sunday, December 14, 2014 3:42 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

obama, not even close

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

first two strokes albums are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any spoon album

hilariously clearly spoon

this is quite easily Spoon. the Strokes peaked really early and was never able to better their second album. Spoons run from Kill the Moonlight to Transference is pretty remarkable.

"Is This It?" vs. "I Get Wet" poll seems slightly more worthwhile

Please don't mistake this as me stanning for The Strokes by any means, but all the talk about them peaking early and people saying they haven't listened to the later albums need to hear Comedown Machine asap. It's the "Rhapsody in Blue" to Is This It?'s "Chopsticks".

comedown machine is my favorite strokes album at this point

Spoon up through Kill The Moonlight are super-catchy fun indie-pop; everything after is boring as hell and sounds the same, like they're the indie Foo Fighters.

Strokes first album makes me want to shove a needle into my eardrum now - so monochromatic and lazy. I can only barely remember the second and never heard anything after.

Spoon wins by several laps, but at least the Strokes aren't Interpol.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

100 votes

important quesh

both bands are narcs, probably

everything fucked about ILM in one simple poll

take it you're a big [whatever one didn't win] fan

xxp nah, strokes are rich kids, spoon are homeowners

had a feeling the silent spoonjority wld carry this

I would rather spoon than have a stroke.

everything fucked about ILM in one simple poll

― A cat having an apron (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:22 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

actually, more surprised that the strokes didn't win, given the ILX trend towards "down-with-the-corny-indie-fuxx"

both bands are (or at least once were) pretty cool/good at what they do (or did) imo

then again it's also fun to h8 corny indie fuxx, conundrum

(xp irl lols at that)

everything fucked about ILM in one simple poll

― A cat having an apron (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

take it you're a big [whatever one didn't win] fan

― tl;dr, gukbar, morbis detrius (wins), Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No, I think he's upset that someone polled two bands with white guys playing guitars or something.

nah just inexplicable support for Spoon

i polled them because theyre so similar *sniff*

Inexplicable support for the most acclaimed band of the 00s?

http://www.ebbemunk.dk/alice/48mirror.jpg

Strokes had a great debut and diminishing returns. Spoon has been consistent and far more interesting.

I think the only Strokes related album I like other than Is This It? is that Little Joy album, although it's too low key to be truly memorable.

Individual albums polled against each other might have given the Strokes the win, but we were polling bands in here and Spoon is really the better band. + not obnoxious like the strokes.

what interested me about this poll tbh was really the moral dimension, feel like theres something so perfect abt the very similar cultures of these two bands and how it relates to their very similar music, the contrast, the narcissism of small differences going, like the strokes are douchey and relevant (at one point), the spoon are boring but good guys

+ not obnoxious like the strokes.

― Moka, Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:39 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

feel like its an interesting comparison cause they are extremely similar bands sitting on either side of the hipster/indie divide

― lag∞n, Friday, December 12, 2014 1:51 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh yeah, Comedown Machine is probably their best album. Had no faith they would manage to do anything worthwhile with a more tight production but it works.

I always thought the divide would come from a band like Vampire Weekend. Seems to me like the oppositte band a Strokes fan would enjoy.

Spoon's entire premise seems to be being middlegrounded.

vampy weeknd def fits in there somewhere but these two bands their music is so similar felt like it was the perfect template

the main difference between the two bands for me how Spoon creates alterations in standard rock rhythms without compromising accessibility. The Strokes p much play 16th notes 24/7.

for Noodle Vague and to back Scik Mouthy: http://www.metacritic.com/feature/best-music-of-the-decade

Our top overall artist of the decade: Spoon

Before we get to the top albums of the past ten years, let's take a look at the best artists of the decade. First, we decided to highlight the top overall artists of the past 10 years by picking the artists who met the following three criteria: (a) released at least 3 albums from 2000-09; (b) at least two of those albums must be "great" (with a Metascore of 81 or higher); and (c) the average (mean) Metascore for all of their releases from the decade must also be 81 or higher.

The top 35 artists meeting all three criteria are displayed below (sorted by number of great albums, then by Metascore average), and the band topping the list was a surprise to us as well, albeit a pleasant one. The Austin, Texas indie-rock band Spoon may not be the most prolific band of the decade, but they were the most consistently great. From 2001's stellar Girls Can Tell to 2007's, well, stellar Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga, the Britt Daniel-led group received accolades from the music press and music fans for their impeccable songwriting and addictive songs.

haha perfect

Spoon never put across an image as successfully as The Strokes c.Is This It but I have found them consistently sonically rewarding+they probably paved the way for a lot of the bands being discussed in Hip™ for Basics

and like, Kill The Moonlight is just such a... good-sounding album!
I don't know how to explain it, I put it on when I have a headache & the headache magically goes away. because the sounds are so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5FH3o6icWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbXcthY4124

imo these are two of the best strokes songs ever

one good thing about this poll is i made me go back through the strokes stuff on spotify and man did I underrated Comedown Machine! feel like maybe we all just weren't in a place to care about a new strokes album at the time. guitar work on that is bonkers, hammond is running so many efx to made his guitar sound like the synths on "take on me" by a-ha

actually angles is better/weirder than i remember it too

great strokes album could be made out of combining first impressions and angles

make a spotify playlist imho

listening to comedown machine now, the vocals are very different

bah, refuted by science *shakes fist*

i never checked out comedown machine until last week thanks to that ghastly "take on me" rip they'd released, but some of it was surprisingly pretty. also surprisingly/ironically similar to phoenix. would have thought they'd be too self-conscious to jock the steez of their steez-jockers

great strokes album could be made out of combining first impressions and angles

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, December 19, 2014 12:13 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

make a spotify playlist imho

― lag∞n, Friday, December 19, 2014 12:14 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do it!

wow first impressions is worse than it was in my memory

horribly brickwalled, too

You Only Live Once, Juicebox, Heart in a Cage, Razorblade, Ask Me Anything, Electricityscape, Fear of Sleep, 15 Minutes and Ize of the World are the keepers on First Impressions. Throw in Juicebox's B-Side Hawaii and that's a solid album.

I really liked Angles when it came out but looking at the track listing now I only really remember the first two songs.

Agree that Comedown Machine is pretty underrated. I really didn't think they had a song like Call It Fate Call It Karma in them.

hoo boy do i hate "15 minutes"

Always found his Shane MacGowan really entertaining.