New Pornographers

I suppose that's his point: he can say Neko Case is worse than New Pornographers, because he has heard her to compare, unlike the other bands.

There's a reason I don't listen to them 65 yr old academics...

Both of which predate New Pornographers.

Also, I wish the sparingly deployed Neko Case would abandon her faux-country career.<----(???)

I wouldn't call her country either. And I also wish she would settle down into pop and write Mary Margaret O'Hara's long lost sequel to Miss America.

The New Pornographers C/D [answer: the former!]
new New Pornographers
Neko Case - Blacklisted

Now I love NP, but Neko Case is on another level entirely.

I mean, The Virginian was a cute little hello to country music, a nice voice having a good time with some okay songs, and then the scope and haunting beauty of FRL just blew me away.

But, this guy, who is this guy? He writes like the world should care what he personally likes. That's not criticking, that's keeping a diary.

I have no problem with people who would prefer more Neko Case. They're just wrong is all :)

And she keeps getting better. The Virginian was okay, I like it alright, still haven't bought it. Furnace Room Lullaby is mind-blowing however, Blacklisted tops that ever-so-slightly, and her Canadian Amp EP is another fine piece of work.

Fact: I could really do without Bejar's NP songs, even though they are quite good. To me, the appeal of the group is the Case/Newman collaboration.

And, yeah, maybe Carl Newman leans more towards later/poppier glam than Bowie -- in addition to the Sweet's "Action," I've heard them play Sparks's "Throw Her Away (And Get A New One)" as an encore. But it's hardly apples and oranges.

Which doesn't mean it isn't a weak argument: "Neko Case hardly appears on the NPs album, therefore she should stop performing her own material." Yeah, that's the traditional career path for the alt-country chanteuse: a few years of twang (y'know, just to get it out of her system), and then settle down into a serious career in glam-inflected power pop. Enough with the dawdling!

(Better? Worse?)

Didn't it come out last month?

Neko solo would blow them away, if only she wrote somewhat better songs. I still prefer her to them, though, 'cuz she sings lead on all the Neko Case stuff.

Carl looks more like Howdy Doody with each passing day.

Saw them in June, it was cool to hear Neko sing in so many of the songs. But I'm a sucker for her voice.

It just came on randomly and was surprised at how much it would fit in on Mass Romantic.

'mass romantic' is so fucking good.

Song or album? - in neither case would it be a revelatory insight, but I'm all for whimsicality.

i have no insights or whimsicality, i just pulled it out the other night and it was perfect.

any opinions on the new one that's out today, y'all?

new New Pornographers

thank u sir

i like the new disc a lot. i don't think there's a weak track, and as much as i love the new pornographers, that's an unusual feeling for me (even twin cinema had a weak patch IMO). teaming neko case/kathryn calder for vocal harmonies works wonders, in songs like if you can't see my mirrors; sweet talk; and my shepard. the interesting drum patterns and fills are back. the hooks are, too.

i guess i've said most of this before, and on the other thread. sorry for being a broken record about this record.

awesome review, Daniel. Twin Cinema was a record that i got on the day it came out, and i could listen to again and again, so i'm hoping this one is the same . . . i passed on the last one

Don't sleep on Challengers. It took me a full year to really warm to, but now it's indispensable.

really? i was turned off by the lukewarm response, but i really love Twin Cinema, so maybe i should go back to it

it's underrated. i mean, the songs do lay there more than you'd expect for this band's work, but they were following a different muse. the songs themselves were still very strong, and i liked the depth that was added when they slowed down the tempo and didn't try to cram enough hooks for five songs into one song.

having said all that, challengers is hardly my favorite new pornographers' disc.

Yeah, it's not my favorite either, but I'd be sad if it didn't exist.

my goal here is for the "New Pornographers" and "New New Pornographers" threads to sit atop the SNA page.

symmetry.

mission accomplished.

:-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8-1EPeYn3A&feature=player_embedded

does anyone else LOVE the first song on each NP album, and everything else is just kinda meh with a few exceptions?

New album 'Whiteout Conditions' in April. First single today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuxVvtDt6ss

Cautious anticipation commence.

thrilled that their album covers are terrible again

Carl Newman took over handling the band's twitter feed today, and he's spending time re-tweeting his own personal tweets and big-upping them.

Todd Fancey (guitar for NP) has a new record out today, "Love Mirage"

I like the album cover. Don't care for how they incorporated it into the YouTube vid.

Interesting timing on the Fancey album cover.

http://www.albumkings.com/packages/anahkiasen/illuminage/eae355e430f9ab09db94469e65430503.jpg

is bejar not on the new album? they're touring w/out him apparently

haven't heard either way but at this point they've toured without him way more than they've toured with him.

When this tour was announced, I read a few articles which said he was going to be on the tour. Maybe it was just assumption? He certainly doesn't look to be on the album cover.

Bejar is indeed not on this album apparently

decent single

haven't heard either way but at this point they've toured without him way more than they've toured with him.

― call all destroyer, Saturday, January 28, 2017 11:55 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Here's one of my favorite "It's A Small World After All" stories. I saw the NPs on one of the Dan-less shows at the House of Blues in Cleveland. (I want to say it was on the "Challengers" tour.) Late in the show, they picked a guy out of the audience who came up on stage and they had him sing "Myriad Harbor." The guy was super-nervous, but did a great job.

Flash forward to last summer, when I went to Chicago to see the Belly reunion tour. I'm standing up near the stage chatting with some other people there, and we all get to talking about other bands we like. I mention the NPs, and one of the guys talking with me starts telling a story about when he was at a show in Cleveland and they pulled him out of the audience . . . I literally finished his sentence: "To sing 'Myriad Harbor?'" I asked if it was pre-arranged and he said, "No, I think they picked me because I'm tall, black and have a Mohawk, so I stood out." He said Carl put his hand on his shoulder and just said, "Don't worry, you're gonna do fine."

haha, what a great story

love 'myriad harbor'

have they said no Bejar on this or do you have inside info, Simon?

Perpetua just tweeted about there being zero Bejar on this one, and also more Neko than ever.

I am no pre-emptively considering it the great NPs album of all time.

otm, more Neko than ever???? <3<3<3 glad i already have my ticket

Wiki also says no Bejar and all the songs are solo Newman comps.

Newman talks

STEREOGUM: Dan Bejar wasn’t involved in this record. Was he just busy with Destroyer?

NEWMAN: I was talking to him about what I wanted to do [with this record], and I think I told him, “I see it as being a bubblegum krautrock record.” Talking about the songs being 160BPM. He was talking to me and saying that all the songs he was writing were weird, quiet songs, and he was right in the middle of doing a Destroyer record. Which was something we’d narrowly skirted for our whole career. I’m always amazed that we managed to. Sometimes we avoided Destroyer, sometimes Destroyer avoided us, but eventually we hit at the same time. It wasn’t anything weird. We were just in Vancouver rehearsing and I’d go up and hang out with Dan. It’s not like anything’s really changed between us. It’s always the way it’s been. When we made Mass Romantic, we really didn’t know we were going to make another record. If nobody had paid attention, it’s possible we wouldn’t have, because it was hard to get that one done. When nobody’s asking for it…it’s hard to do something when you’re just doing it for yourself as a labor of love. The economics kicked in. If people wanna hear it, we’ll make it.

On the plus side, I hope this means we get a new Destroyer album later this year.

new album is so amazing. this plus Brill Bruisers has just brought much-needed Newman-y joy back to my life after the (relative) lull (imo) of Together.

is the new one out? i think i get a free album download w/ my concert tics

Seeing them tonight, excited to hear them. It's a bummer that Bejar won't be around. You really feel his absence on this new record (which I enjoy), especially since he wrote the best songs on Brill Bruisers.

I'm kicking myself for getting into this band just in time for Bejar to be gone. It's like XTC without Colin Moulding or Guided by Voices without Tobin Sprout.

did he ever tour with them?

bejar toured with them several times. they were a lot of fun last night tho.

I'm pretty sure he was with them the last time they played in my part of the country, hence the kicking of self.

I saw them with Bejar, some time around 2010. He stood with his back to the audience.

Even when he sang?

Yeah—I figured it was a shyness thing, but I'm not sure. If I remember right, he went off stage most of the time when he wasn't singing.

^^Saw the full band on the Challengers tour, and Bejar only came out for his songs, which were spread out in single shots throughout the set.

Wow. His place in the band is even more mysterious, then. Moulding and Sprout still played instruments in their bands when they weren't singing, i.e. almost always. I can't think of another band that works or worked like New Ps apparently did with Bejar.

it looked to me like bejar was getting some quality drinking done between his songs

Ha!

The new album has faded.

The one time I saw Bejar with the New Pornographers he was drinking so much he looked like he could barely stand up for his last couple of songs. He was still singing perfectly though.

Who is the Skunk Baxter of the New Pornographers?

wait wait wait https://t.co/UuNeMqhHmX pic.twitter.com/URlrZRQrxN

— Sarah Zhang (@sarahzhang) July 27, 2017

Haha. I'm guessing AC

his twitter feed is a heck of a smokescreen in that case

Maybe Fancey then?

New album, In the Morse Code of Brake Lights, out September 27.

First single:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqDO6DWldpw

Good title
Anyone heard the single yet?

friend of mine did the cover 8)

song is unfortunately pretty boring :/

enjoying their new direction

Is Dan Bejar involved? Their last one missed him.

I didn’t miss him at all on the last one. His schtick really gets on my nerves. Chacun a son etc etc

Last album was among their best ever.

Not super crazy about the new song but looking forward to hearing more.

enjoying their new direction

does anyone know who is playing bass in the Letter From An Occupant video? is that John Collins? doesn't look like him to me, but this was a long time ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBAUQaj6EJo

Yep, young John in a pre-beard era. When I saw them live a few years after this I thought “new John” was a different dude. I think he musta got more exercise as an Evaporator.

Big surprise in this vid for me: Blaine smiling and acting animated. Anytime I’ve seen them live he’s looked like he was updating his resume, not playing keys in a power-pop band.

yeah, I've been watching old New Pornos live footage on YouTube and Blaine has completely changed his demeanor onstage ... either because he's older, he's tired of it, he won't go thru the motions anymore ... who knows. pretty much the same for Todd Fancey, too. Carl should tell everyone in the band to at least pretend like you want to be there for these upcoming tours.

related: there is an incredible dearth of old New Pornos live footage on YouTube. i found a clip from '03 and some stuff from '07 and that's kind of it. (or i don't know where to look.)

There probably isn't a lot of fan footage from the last several years, as Neko bans cell phone recording/photography from both her own gigs and Newpies shows.

The Latin branch of PBS has a cool Challengers-era appearance they filmed in Mexico City for a show called Billboard Studio or something. Quite interesting, as it's sans-Neko and Bejar.

^^Not sure if it's on YT tho.

Thoughts on the new one?

One listen in and nothing really immediately clicked with me. Their albums tend to reveal themselves to me upon repeat listens, though.

It clicked.

It's good. Not top tier NPs, but good.

i miss bejar! but this record is really good

I like this more than their past few; it's a little peppier/zippier. They were sounding more & more "over-the-hill" with every release, to the point I kept mistaking each new LP for their swan song.

Bejar’s absence certainly contributes to what feels like a lack of variety.

I'm not usually big on strings in rock songs; but they sound so "grafted on" here that it almost works for me in a "That's interesting..." kinda way.

I like this more than their past few; it's a little peppier/zippier. They were sounding more & more "over-the-hill" with every release, to the point I kept mistaking each new LP for their swan song.

― #YABASIC (morrisp), Monday, September 30, 2019 11:27 AM (forty-five minutes ago)

You should re-listen, I think? This one is a little less peppier/zippier than their last two, which firmly allayed any (rightful, after Together) concerns about them being over the hill.

I actually am revisiting "Whiteout Conditions" as we speak...

Strings or keyboards? They got two keyboardists now.

They sound like strings, maybe they’re synths, I dunno

Ambition fails them when the keys or synths smother good songs ("Dreamlike and On the Rush") and mediocre ones ("Leather on the Seat") in hysterical swells.

I like it a lot on first listen, though I wish there were more guitars.

I wish there were more Bejars.

there is an incredible dearth of old New Pornos live footage on YouTube. i found a clip from '03 and some stuff from '07 and that's kind of it.

weirdly of this small number of videos, two of these were from the one and only time I saw them in Seattle which was kind of cool to watch again.

I was 33 and saw Animal Collective the night before where my wife and I felt very, very old. This show was full of greying music nerds with at least a few pregnant women and we felt much more at home

I really really loved Whiteout Conditions—easily their best this decade; I listen to it as much as their first four classic albums.

Unfortunately I’m super lukewarm on the new album. Takes a lot of elements of the last album and smooths them out. It’s just missing that intangible oomph.

I'm of the opposite opinion: liked WC well enough, quite like this one except for the last couple tracks. Their best since Twin Cinema, but my suspicion of power pop means I miss the subtleties of their albums after 2005 (and don't think Bejar works at all).

suspicion of power pop?

Whiteout Conditions and Morse Code definitely feel cut from the same cloth—no Bejar, guitars pushed back and keyboards emphasized, and more of a constant duet between Cass and Wilson. That shift in sound felt freeing on WC; there was a lightness to it. This time around it feels a little more mannered. Idk.

More songs are rising up on subsequent listens but it still takes a few tracks to really warm up. My favorite NP albums feel stacked with perfection right up front.

Ages ago I emailed talk show host Rob Simone to ask what this song was and the answer made no sense until some more recent googling tuned it up. Will always be associated with Area 51 etc.

https://youtu.be/09Ix2inAWaI

saw these guys live last week and the songs from the new album generally sounded excellent, especially 'backseat driver.'

They rolled through town Tuesday and i didn’t make it out. Kicking myself ngl

Doing a small tour late this year w/Bejar doing Mass Romantic and Twin Cinema on back-to-back nights.

https://www.thenewpornographers.com/#tour

AC Newman is kind of annoying on the burd app

really wish that tour was coming my way, i would be at twin cinema night for sure

Sounds dumb but I wish they were playing a smaller NY venue than Webster hall

is Kathryn Calder not on this tour? i am seeing blurry photos that have a woman on keys at stage left and it doesn't look like her. anyone know?

So the new single.

Tried getting a discussion going over here: new New Pornographers

Upon first listen I like the one song that is available as a single.

I will always adore the first four albums, but tbh the album I play the most these days is Whiteout Conditions.

Same, mostly, although every time I reset I shore up my appreciation for at least one more of the other albums.

In order of how frequently I still play them (maybe slightly more objective than ranking by “favorite”? At least it spares me agonizing over placing Electric Version so low)

Whiteout Conditions
Mass Romantic
Challengers
Electric Version
Twin Cinema
In the Morse Code of Brake Lights
Brill Bruisers
Together

I would put Twin Cinema higher and bump Brill Bruisers a place but yeah.

Twin Cinema's my favorite. I underrated WC.

Brill and Together are a tier unto themselves. The only reason I rate BB higher is “war on the east coast”

"War on the East Coast" is my fave NP song.

Agree that the new single is solid.

that and Backstairs are my fav 2

Together is their weakest and is still pretty good. The last three albums have been consistent and sometimes great, but they still blend in together in my head (though I voted for Brill Bruisers in the ILX Teens poll). I'm going to re-listen today to sort them out.

i prefer the jap movie

I hadn't listened to In the Morse Code of Brake Lights for two years, it turns out it was pretty strong. I haven't missed Bejar on the last two albums because I found his songs on Brill Bruisers were the weak links. Sequencers really gave them a shot of energy that they seemed to be losing on Challengers and Together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rPYlH1626M

I like

Sounds good so far.

Official tomorrow?

lol why on earth is this thread marked NSFW

Certain picture of Neko maybe?

Ooh this is a very vibey record. Most of the albums post-Twin Cinema have had more buried hooks than the first three, and take repeated listens (or distracted listening) to really sink in. This one's doing that too but in a fresh way.

lol why on earth is this thread marked NSFW

― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Thursday, March 30, 2023 11:16 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

naughty artist name

The name Old Pornographers was taken.

The Old Weird Cartographers.

Professor Clank and the Old Weird Cartographer Society

lol

“Pontus Pilate” could almost be a Radiohead tune circa amnesiac

This is slack -- the tempos, that is.

I have a kneejerk allergy to saxophones in rock music, and as much as I try to overcome that, I can already tell I’m just not going to come back to this album as much as I do their others.

The saxes are meh too. I prefer Goon Sax.

Believe we even have a thread about that
(xp)

New Pornographers Are Alright If You Like Saxophones

not normally one for horns in general when it comes to rock music – but i feel like it *really* works on the title track.

Really like the sax, it gives me a Psych Furs vibe, which is a very good thing.

Not as sleazy.

Going to see the New Pornographers tonight. Have been a fan since Twin Cinema. Very surprised that they’re playing an old theater right in my backyard in suburban CT. This place seems to mostly host tribute bands, but over the years one of my favorites shows up: X, Paul Westerberg, Conor Oberst, and now the New Pornos. Here are the top 20 songs I’m hoping to hear tonight:

1. Falling Down the Stairs of Your Smile
2. The Bleeding Heart Show
3. Sing Me Spanish Techno
4. The Slow Descent Into Alcoholism
5. Another Drug Deal of the Heart
6. Failsafe
7. All the Old Showstoppers
8. Challengers
9. Brill Bruisers
10. Born With a Sound

Only meant to list 10, but since I misstyped 20, I’ll continue:

11. Dancehall Domine
12. Myriad Harbour
13. Go Places
14. From Blown Speakers
15. Twin Cinema
16. Moves
17. High Ticket Attractions
18. We End Up Together
19. The Spirit of Giving
20. The Laws Have Changed

was discussing this in another online spot: they're going the wrong direction in terms of draw.

enjoy, though! still the best rock band of the past two decades.

Saw them last week, they were ... OK. But that happens to everyone.

lemme say that I am shooked! SHOOKED and STOONED, per Barry Wom, that there is another Ilxor living in Fairfield County! Mostly finance people into Dave Matthews, Dead & Co, Phish and so forth, so its nice to know there's another ILMnik lurking around.

In said county, I wanna support shit like this band doing a show at a venue 15 minutes from my house, because it is slim, geriatric pickings almost all of the time…you have to go to New Haven to see current acts, and I have very small children, so going to NYC is challenging… and in fact, that Nu Porns were booked at Wall St Theater at all indicates that they are more geriatric than not…when I saw this band in 2001, 2005 and 2015, they came out all guns blazing each time and would settle down for some subdued shit but were mostly there to throw down…even at Prospect Park Bandshell, in front of thousands of Slope-ites whom the band resembles, they TOE SHIT UP… but last night, it was gray and white hair, bald heads, seated in the venue…to me, seated audience = not enough energy. Josh and Alpine seem to be saying that the band is mostly listless no matter what, but it seems to me that even a late 40s/early 50s crowd on its feet can transmit sufficient energy back at the band…Carl (my wife, who doesn't follow music at all but admires Neko, called him "Ed Begley Jr.") and Neko barely kept up any of the sort of patter I remember them being quite good at…they did get going at the end, and so I wanna blame the crowd, who may rep for legacy indie rock but ultimately are uptight CT people too concerned with their own comfort. There is room at the back of the venue at the bar for people to stand and respond physically to the music, so that helped a bit. Do you remember what Carl said about Norwalk, Justineyukon?

Says it all, really, that me and my buddy from Sheffield, talked a bit, possibly too loudly, and were indignantly shushed by two sets of couples, one who exclaimed "WE'VE BEEN WAITING THREE YEARS FOR LIVE MUSIC!!!" My friend got his back up. pissed that american stick in the muds now come to rock shows and demand hushed, attentive respect…he doesn't know the band and this ruined the show for him, but they did "Mass Romantic," "Slow Descent," "bleeding Heart show" (a very very moving song")… I am happy the band came to my area, but do I have to be resigned that music designed to be kinetic will occasionally be subject to aging indie rock who want to sit down? Is this what National shows are like?

xpost: "aging indie rock fans"

Doesn't Neko live in New England?

My fave they played here was ... "July Jones"? I liked hearing that again. But yeah, I've seen them a bunch over the years, in increasingly big places (not huge, but bigger than where I used to see them), and they'd always put on a pretty good show. This one (one of two sold out shows in a maybe 1000 person venue) was relatively listless, or at least not particularly fun, compared to how I remembered them. That said, there were two rapt guys in front of us (I was in a balcony spot, so most people were sitting) that hung on every word. For comparison's sake, a couple of people I was with absolutely loved them, but one of them worships Neko. Another person I was with, a more casual fan though nonetheless one familiar with their whole catalog, thought the set was weighed down by the new stuff, not in an old fan likes older stuff sort of way, just that she thinks the new stuff is much more subdued.

I saw them on tour for their last album cycle and they were terrific. I have hard time believing their love show has fallen off that considerably, from just one cycle to the next. Granted, we had a whole pandemic in between so maybe some shit has happened.

They're playing Brooklyn Steel and tickets are pretty affordable - is Neko definitely with them the entire tour?

FWIW, I saw that Prospect Park show in 2015 - I thought it was okay, but by then I was kind of losing interest in them. I managed to see them in 2006 and Neko was part of the band - a nice surprise as IIRC she wasn't actually touring with them. I think it happened because she was living around Chicago at the time and didn't have a tour going on herself. That was an excellent show and it was probably the peak of my fandom - Twin Cinema had come out and it's probably still my favorite album of theirs.

First of all, I didn't say they were listless this time, I said their draw is shrinking. No worries, just wanted to clarify.

HOWEVER ... I do think they're generally a little bit listless, at least in recent years. I've seen them three times: First in 2003 and they were great, then in 2010 and they were listless (but also touring on what I think is their worst album, Together), and again in 2017, and they were great, but they were great because of the *songs* not because they gave a great performance. (There were other tangential circumstances that made me love them that time, too.)

The real fuel for the listlessness is just the lack of personality that comes through anymore ... if Carl and Neko were once great at banter, they really aren't these days. (Neko is definitely still better at it than Carl.) They mostly look like they're going through the motions, *especially* Blaine Thurier (who is no longer with the band, but was a vibe-killer when he was). Carl's affect looks more like a mix of "a little nervous + lots to do and trying not to mess up + going through the motions" ... I think he enjoys what he does, mostly, but he just doesn't really act like it.

I haven't seen them on this tour, but if they seem listless this time, I would suggest that it's because the setlists are heavy with songs from an album that's just OK. I'm not sure they have the show to carry dreary songs anymore.

Maybe the next album will be a Brill Bruisers-style return to form and I'll pounce on the chance to see them again, but otherwise, it might be time - for me, at least - to prioritize anniversary shows focused on the albums I really love. (I missed the Mass Romantic / Electric Version tour and it still bums me out.)

Yeah, I should stress, it wasn't a bad show, as such. Just ... fine. Rarely exultant.

I thought it was a pretty good concert, despite the subdued, elderly audience. They played 5 of the 10 songs I most wanted to hear. Seven songs from the new album was a bit much, though. Hearing Neko Case sing just about anything was worth the price of admission.

Veronica, sorry to hear the uptight Connecticuters dampened your enjoyment. What Carl said about Norwalk was something along the lines of “I think I am correct in the assumption that we have never played Norwalk before.” I doubt they’ll ever be back, but I’ll hold out hope that they’ll return someday with Dan Bejar in tow.

sad to hear the pit at new pornographers shows back in the day got pretty violent

welcome to the thread!

They haven't quite been the same since they dropped the growling and blast beats.

Just got out of the Vancouver show. You could tell, every time, when they were playing a song from the new album. Lack of dynamics, a turgid kinda vibe, it’s just not good. The Neko replacement, when she was singing in unison with Kathryn, sounded eerily lifelike — but of course none of the stage presence and just plain old charisma and star power of Neko.

First half of the show was kinda tentative and very heavy on the new stuff. They picked up a lot toward the end, leaning more on hits (including a surprise visit from “Sweet Talk, Sweet Talk”) and ofc ending with “The Bleeding Heart Show” which ejected us from the venue in the right mood.

I don’t think they played anything from Brill Bruisers or Morse Codeat all.

Bejar showed up and sang a few — “Myriad Harbour” and “A Testament To Youth In Verse” were great — I’m really inclined to dislike him but the song choices were spot on.

There’s a new touring member, whom we dubbed “Band Camp”, didn’t catch her name, playing saxophone & keys & flute. She looked like she was terrified of making a mistake.

Overall it was a careful and well constructed show, with flashes of glory — mostly concentrated in the songs from the first 4 albums. Not sad I went at all, but a very different thing than it was 20 years ago (obv to be expected).

Still the best power pop band ever, fite me about it.

no need to fite, you are correct

if you didn't, scroll up and see the convo from May about them. i think this is just the NPs experience now.

I saw them live in Baltimore in… 2001, I think? Still one of the best live shows I’ve ever seen. But not sure if I would go today, haven’t really kept up.