william basinski - is this the best ambient/drone stuff around or what?

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sorry for the ugly thread title, i just wanted to get people interested who haven't heard any of his stuff, as i hadn't a few weeks ago.

so - disintegration loops. holy fuck! and the other stuff i've heard (the river, a red score in tile) has been amazing too. what's the rest of his stuff like?

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hmm, I'm still not getting all the hoopla surrounding the Disintegration Loops, whcih I still don;t really know how to handle..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

yea, i posted something about this about a year ago and no one cared. guess music doesnt mean shit til p-fork chimes in.

dddddddd, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

i really like it. wish i could afford the US$70 for the whole set. for the moment, i'll have to make do with part 1.

Sean M (Sean M), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

the disintegration loops set? fe has the 4 cds for $42 total.

tricky disco, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

it's cute. i wouldn't trade my 39 cent copy of "steppenwolf at your birthday party" for his stuff, though.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

i saw him perform the "disintegration loops" live. he sat behind a laptop and queued up mp3s, blending them into one another.

pretty, but i prefer basic channel.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

(4x$13=$52)+$4.50=$56.50

Expensive loops.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

So how short are these loops? I was wondering. I really like the idea of this stuff but I don’t really have an idea what it sounds like.

Orange, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

There are some samples at Aquarius Records, Orange.

$42? Who or what is "FE"? $70's the amount that William quoted me in an email. (They sell for $20 each, shipping included on his website.)

Sean M (Sean M), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

"FE" is Forced Exposure, they're selling them for $13 each.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

excuse my lack of rudimentary multiplication skills!! hey, at least there's no tax if you buy from fe, also, they have a flat shipping price. regardless, it's worth it.

tricky disco, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

http://fe.org/artists/basinski.william.html

tricky disco, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Mm, nice.

Orange, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

btw, if you like his loop set, you should check out "melancholia." i have everything the guy has made public, and his loop series and melanchollia are the most outstanding of what he has to offer in the ambient/drone area.

dddddddd, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
I've heard 21 minutes of "The Disintegration Loops" Part IV, and my gut answer to the thread title is already "YES". On another thread, Mike Daddino compared the distortion and fuzziness to Gas, which I wholeheartedly agree with -- but Gas has never done anything as serene, as tranquil, or as ENDLESS as this.

I'm listening to mp3's, but I'd have to think that the loss of fidelity, particularly for the more distorted parts, is significant for music like this (even though these mp3's were recorded at a VBR). Do I need to find the CD's to experience this properly?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Incredible stuff. It's like #19 from SAW II on a never-ending loop. Or 777's "Fay Deau Deau". Ad infinitum. Man, this shit just goes on forever.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 02:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
Revive. After only having heard The Disintergration Loops" (which I loved dearly), decided to check out "Variations: A Movement in Chrome Primitive". Really beautiful stuff, it's the supreme non-activity music for me, and makes me totally worthless. I just completely zone out. Music created for lethargy.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 03:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

the thread title is arguably accurate. best stuff i've heard next to philip jeck's longer pieces, keith fullerton whitman, and rafael toral.

rssgnld, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Really beautiful stuff, it's the supreme non-activity music for me, and makes me totally worthless. I just completely zone out. Music created for lethargy.

this statement perfectly describes my relationship with good ambient music.

rssgfnl, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love it! Gas - Pop is still my favorite in this category though, and some of the stuff on kompakt's Pop Ambient comps is drop-whatever-you're-doing beautiful too.

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 20 January 2005 05:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

OTM about gas "pop"

i sleep to basinski and gas!

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 January 2005 05:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

i've been interested to hear this guy but my friend told me it was boring, can someone describe it to me?

zach farver, Thursday, 20 January 2005 05:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

I used them as the soundtrack to reading through the Infinity Gauntlet-War-Crusade trilogy this weekend. It was fun.

D.J. Anderson, Thursday, 20 January 2005 06:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Pop" is too much like the Kompakt Pop Ambient stuff to be primo ambient/drone material. "Koenigsforst" is the best for that -- stark, lonely, very lo-fi, and the cover looks like something a Black Metal band would do.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 20 January 2005 07:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

deathprod!

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

deathprod solo is definitely comparable to basinski, but not as magical sounding and not varied enough, MOSTD. supersilent have yet to put out a truly good record.

rssgl, Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
i'm not sure about this, here seems to be something fake about the whole enterprise. the end result is somewhat dull and the 9/11 links seem both extremely strained and too obvious.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Basinski's heart is in the right place, from the conversations I've had with him; despite the pseudo-intellectual marketing smokescreen that he gleefully buys into, he's quite humble about his work, which makes it more appealing even when the platitudes get a bit heavy.

That said, I don't think he's the best out there, but it depends on what you want out of your drones - I think Phill Niblock and Steve Reich (Four Organs in particular) have done more powerful/arresting work, but I do enjoy Basinski's stuff lots.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

fans schould check out Andrew Chalk. especially The River That Flows into the Sands

rizzx, Friday, 21 April 2006 09:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

From everything I've heard of WB, he's a one-trick pony. But I sure do luv that one trick. Listening to Shortwavemusic now, and it's great.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 04:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

i still haven't heard/acquired disintegration loops

river wolf, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 04:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also very good. I wonder if there's any truth the rumor that Madonna is a fan.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 05:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't be surprised, she's kind of a dilettante.

Is drone the opposite of Beethoven or what? I mean, it's the antithesis of structure, of arc. It's the anti-arc! Does that make sense? Sorry, I'm kind of a dilettante.

Rich Smörgasbord, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 06:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

Disintegration Loops = one of the greatest recordings of the century. Seriously. river wolf, make it the next thing you buy, man!

Manalishi, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 07:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

over-rated. Alva Novo's "Xerrox" does the sma ething better and in a more interesting way.

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 10:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

Wait, this is Billy Basinski aka Z-man?

Whoa, small world. He adopted/produced my first band in NYC. I've got to hear this, I bet it's incredible.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 10:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Maybe Masonna is a fan, and someone thought there was a typo.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

I also really love the "River" double CD, I think Raster-Noton put it out. But it's all good.

sleeve, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 22:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

which disintegration loops vol. is best? i'm about to give the first one a go

am0n, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

i wish he would record under "Z-Man"

circa1916, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 07:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

am0n, having only heard vols I & II I'd recommend the latter. Its "DLP3" is really haunting/captivating.

willem, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 07:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

i got all four. loving them. the second track on II is the shit, the comment upthread about SAW II #19 on repeat is apt

am0n, Monday, 28 May 2007 22:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

that would be loop 3. bliss.

willem, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 08:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

I suppose non-drone music is anthropomorphic, in that it has a beginning, a middle, and an end.

Rich Smörgasbord, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 09:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

who among us is enjoying El Camino Real?

Tape loop, recorded live, Los Angeles, July 2006.
First 300 copies came numbered and signed.

Want (and want to have been there)

jergïns, Sunday, 15 July 2007 00:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I could totally fall asleep listening to this.

ledge, Sunday, 15 July 2007 16:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

(I gave up on falling asleep to The Disintegration Loops 'cause they're a bit too melancholic.)

ledge, Sunday, 15 July 2007 16:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

word

am0n, Thursday, 26 July 2007 00:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

totally.

Drooone, Thursday, 26 July 2007 01:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

El Camino Real is some incredible stuff.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 14 September 2007 22:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

When did this come out? Info? Link?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 14 September 2007 22:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.mmlxii.com/home/home.html

May this year.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 14 September 2007 22:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

El Camino Real

jergïns, Friday, 14 September 2007 22:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Gotta hear it. Was slightly disappointed with Shortwavemusic.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 14 September 2007 22:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

To answer the thread title question: fuck yes! That's why I'm absolutely psyched for this, out on april 20th:

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 16 April 2009 18:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

And yes it is, indeed, fucking gorgeous. Is the love for Basinski really that marginal on ilm?

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 16 April 2009 23:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

No. I love the Disintegration Loops. There's a poll-thread devoted to those discs. If I remember that thread correctly, Ned is a big Basinski fan, too (but he hardly needs me to speak for him).

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 16 April 2009 23:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah i think that poll might be longer than this thread even!

i've loved most everything i've heard by him
disintegration loops
melancholia
silent night
el camino real

all A+

listen to it...put yourself in los angeles (winston), Thursday, 16 April 2009 23:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

He opened up for Antony last month. Great stuff.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 April 2009 23:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

I also really love the "River" double CD, I think Raster-Noton put it out. But it's all good.

― sleeve, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 22:56 (1 year ago)

sleeve, Friday, 17 April 2009 03:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ah, this guy.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, 25 April 2009 03:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Anyone got or heard the new one?

krakow, Saturday, 25 April 2009 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

i have 92982, its v good

Dr. Phil, Saturday, 25 April 2009 20:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

What's the new one, Krakow?

I haven't listened to Basinski in a while, but I really like what I have of him. I've only one Disintegration Loop (no. III) cos it would have been very pricey to buy them all at the time. Does anyone know where to get the others reasonably cheaply? are they still available? some sort of box would be perfect.
I also really like Movement in Chrome Primitive and The River. I have a vinyl-only release, A Red Score in Tile which is similar in style to the Chrome Primitive stuff. Then I have Melancholia, and a split with Richard Chartier, to which have In't really given enough time.

There were a few other Musex releases, such as Water Music I and II -- has anyone heard them?

Duke, Saturday, 25 April 2009 21:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

erm... should read thread properly. So the new one is 92982. He says a shorter version of track 3 was included as variation #8 on A movement in chrome primitive, so I can imagine I'll like this one

Duke, Saturday, 25 April 2009 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh God please keep this thread going; I completely adore The Disintegration Loops (to the point of buying everything of Basinski's still available - my favorite so far is the River, although the new one is pretty good too) and I'm such a sucker for anything even evoking a comparison.

anyway in the meantime, I've been enjoying this:

http://deletedscenesforgottendreams.blogspot.com/2009/03/st-kilda-st-kilda-ep.html

as a sort of Cliff's Notes to the Disintegration Loops. v v v v v v pretty. I was happy to buy it.

jamescobo, Sunday, 26 April 2009 11:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

It started with the Disintegration Loops set for me as well, and have also bought everything still available. My possible favorite is El Camino Real, but he really hasn't made a mediocre record. 'The Garden of Brokenness´ is gorgeous as well. Hard to single one out, his whole output has been fantastic.
The new one sounds great, but I´ve yet to take the time to fully dive into it. I won´t be dissapointed though, I know that for a fact.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 26 April 2009 11:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

I haven't listened to Basinski in a while, but I really like what I have of him. I've only one Disintegration Loop (no. III) cos it would have been very pricey to buy them all at the time. Does anyone know where to get the others reasonably cheaply?

eMusic.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 26 April 2009 11:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

How about in a physical (CD) format for less than $20 each?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 26 April 2009 14:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thanks to this thread, I had to pull out "Disintegration Loops" and have been, um, looping dlp5 for half of the afternoon. So much for my day. Thanks you guys (=it was a beautiful day).

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 26 April 2009 16:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

@ilxor try this guy on eBay http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/TWO-HEADEDDOG__W0QQ_sidZ273089502?_nkw=basinski&submit=Search

I've bought from him several times and he's totally spot on ("an excellent seller A++++++" etc.). Usually has a few Basinksi titles in stock for the best prices I can find and could probably get others if asked.

krakow, Monday, 27 April 2009 22:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Another new one out now from Basinski. Not heard it yet, will wait for it to filter through to the usual channels, but here's the link and Basinski's write-up:

http://www.mmlxii.com/music/music.html

Vivian & Ondine
Catalog#: 2062.0902

Price: $20.00
CD 45:10. Release date: December 2009

"...I got back to work and found yet another lunchbox of ancient tape-loops to go through for possible inclusion in the new piece. I came across the main theme and thought...well, this is gorgeous; let's see if we can use this to coax Viv to come out. I went through the rest of them and found another dozen or so that mixed well used randomly, just under the threshold.

"The next night I performed the piece at Issue with their 16 channel hemispherical speaker system set to move the sounds randomly around the room as if waves in a pool. We all had a really good time. It was mesmerizing."

This version was recorded with microphones and two Norelco tape decks live in my studio in Los Angeles in one take in September 2008.

krakow, Friday, 4 December 2009 14:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

^sounds like a lot of his other work but that's not a bad thing. another dreamy single track, this one 45 minutes

ra (ramon cora), Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

just got the first one and it's woooow

dyao, Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm excited to hear this!! I only have the four Disintegration Loops and I love all of them. I used to work at this all night cafe and around 4 the place would clear out and I would play these as I would mop and clean up. I miss jobs where I could play music late at night.

Jacob Sanders, Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

available on emusic, btw

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

holy shit that sounds like the best thing ever xp

dyao, Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

distingeration loops 1 is shifted heavily towards the right channel in the mix, right? really hard to listen to on headphones.

99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

i don't think so, no

♖♕♖ (am0n), Sunday, 7 February 2010 18:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

hmm it definitely seems right-shifted to me, even in the iTunes samples. (NB I would buy it from eMusic but they won't let me join because I'm currently living out-of-the-states)

99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Monday, 8 February 2010 00:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

i bought mine on Amazon Mp3 and it certainly sounds "right-shifted" to me

kshighway (ksh), Monday, 8 February 2010 00:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah I guess fixing it in post would be against the spirit of the enterprise. really wish I could just put it on on headphones and zone out though...

99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Monday, 8 February 2010 00:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

dyao technology

nsuomy (ramon cora), Monday, 8 February 2010 01:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

(mine's not right-shifted btw)

nsuomy (ramon cora), Monday, 8 February 2010 01:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

hee waaannnt it

99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Monday, 8 February 2010 01:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Achieved something akin to Distintegrating Loops here, using two reel to reel machines feeding back on one another. Rather than the tape itself degrading though it's the signal being obliterated by the analogue recording process. Something like this is what makes tape so exciting to work with, it seems like a natural process.

http://automating.bandcamp.com/track/soundoffsound

Department of Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification (S-), Monday, 8 February 2010 03:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Available for download for one week:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/deceptivecadence/2011/09/07/140265002/remembering-september-11-a-live-concert-webcast-from-the-temple-of-dendur

Wasn't sure about the added drums to start with, but it's growing on me.

toby, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 10:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah saw that linked on p'fork. will listen tonight when writing. drums?!

willem, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 10:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

download??

Stories from Hull City, Stories from Hull FC (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 10:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just to the right of "hear this concert".

toby, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 10:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow Toby, thanks so much for sharing! Going to make a listening event of this tonight!

Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 10:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Good stuff. I'm very interested in hearing this. Will zone out to it tonight.

AnotherDeadHero, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 11:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

thx toby i looked and looked and couldn't find the link.

Stories from Hull City, Stories from Hull FC (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 11:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

wonderful stuff, thanks

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

heard this a few times today and it's really pretty great.

toby, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was at the temple of dendur for this on sunday. writing a review now, it'll be up at frieze.com in a day or two

geeta, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

yay frieze.com!

Pizzataco Five (admrl), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Woah listening now, turns out my current employer sponsored this event! I knew there was a connection with Basinski and Sep 11th but didn't make the connection. You can hear them thanked at 5:23

Pizzataco Five (admrl), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

there were a lot of people I recognized in the audience - Antony of Antony and the Johnsons, Tony Conrad, etc. Antony is like a big teddy bear in person.

geeta, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Antony and William Basinski are long time friends. Very cool that TOny Conrad was there!

Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah. when Conrad showed up, they asked him for his ticket, but he didn't have one (even though it was free, it was a ticketed event), so the Met guards wouldn't let him in. i gave him my +1 and got him into the show. i recognized him right away because i'd just seen him play the night before, at the Kitchen!

geeta, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aw, nice.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's awesome, geeta.

Battlestar Gracián (crüt), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

the perfect music event??

Battlestar Gracián (crüt), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

dude has an awesome apartment

you got me again, beets!!! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wrangled the +1 by telling the press desk that Tony Conrad was my 'photographer'!

he would've been a great photographer for the article, we could've done something like this

geeta, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

recognized him right away because i'd just seen him play the night before, at the Kitchen!

I didn't go to basinski, but just as an aside, conrad's set at the kitchen was really fun! didn't have much info beforehand and was very happy to see that he was playing with eli keszler. love that guy!

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ryan McAdams, the guy who conducted this, was in the same rowboat as me at last year's performance of Xenakis' Persephassa on the lake in Central Park. We talked about music a bunch. Cool guy.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

A review in the NYT

Listening to this now. Very moving.

Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

"dlp 1.1" has a stately, martial mood that the drums work well with, i think. the whole concert is lovely tho.

Chapman Pincher Overdrive (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 12:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I made it to 1:38 before the description of the venue had me welling up. The Disintegration loops rivals on Sinking of the titanic to have me in a heap on the floor. Potentially leave this till im out of the office

straightola, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 14:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want an orchestration of the complete Disintegration Loops now, it really is very very well done.

Chapman Pincher Overdrive (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Listening to this now. It really is overwhelmingly beautiful. The drums, as mentioned before, are an at first surprising but a wonderful addition throughout. An orchestration of the full Loops would be beyond amazing.

Aside of the Disintegration Loops I've only heard 'A Red Score In Tile', 'Melencholia' and '92982'. Anything else outstanding that I'm missing? I hope so!

AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is amazing. I prefer this to the recorded version of dlp 1.1.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

@AnotherDeadHero, I cannot recommend 'The Garden of Brokennness' enough, which is just utterly fantastic. His most 'silent' piece, I think, with a lot of built-in silence surrounded by melancholy piano. 'Silent Night' also is really great. But 'Garden' is an essential piece in Basinski's post-DLP era I'd say.

This concert is amazing. I listened to it in the dark last night and it really hit home. The drums are a daring touch but it works out so well. The whole concert sounds great though.

Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oops, one 'n' too many in Brokenness there

Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes, I'm especially interested in tracking down a brass ensemble recording of Ingram Marshall's Fog Tropes II, the string quartet arrangement is beautiful but I can definitely imagine the original.

Chapman Pincher Overdrive (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would also check out "The River", which remains a personal all-time favorite piece of music for falling-asleep purposes. way more subtle than Disintegration Loops but still worth yr time.

punk rock hyrax (jamescobo), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

My desperate attempts to track down a reasonably priced copy of 'The River' have proven entirely fruitless. As has my search to find it lossless. Anyone have it in FLAC? My dreams would be forever in debt.

AnotherDeadHero, Thursday, 15 September 2011 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

boomkat have it as a flac. don't know about 'reasonably priced' though.

http://boomkat.com/downloads/87532-william-basinski-the-river

koogs, Thursday, 15 September 2011 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

going for about $20 on discogs:

http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=43599&ev=mb

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 15 September 2011 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

is 2 euros on raster noton site. not sure of format

https://shop.raster-noton.net/?release=the%20river (and don't know whether it's the remix, but for 2E i'm not sure i care)

koogs, Thursday, 15 September 2011 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I managed to get a copy of 'The River'. Normans Records were having a half price sale and I picked it up for £10. I also ordered 'Silent Night' and 'A Red Score in tile'. I've heard the latter before but the former I'm unfamiliar with.

I have to be honest though, I've only listened to 'The River' once (just disc 1 at that) and great as it was I found it mildly unsettling as sleeping music.

AnotherDeadHero, Thursday, 22 September 2011 11:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

just came here to see if anyone else had noticed how the mix of dlp1.1 shifts big to the right, it really is unlistenable on headphones. does anyone know how to fix it?

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Yes, dlp1.1 on my copy of Disintegration Loops 1 CD is also "right-shifted." Basically, only the faintest of sounds come out of my left monitor when playing this track.
Some places like itunes and amazon seemed to have right/left balanced mp3 samples, so not sure what happened to the CD pressing. Agreed that it is a miserable experience to listen to dlp1.1 on headphones... I can't do it.

mishymashy, Sunday, 8 April 2012 02:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think they've just re-released all these - they all turned up in last boomkat email.

wouldn't be hard to fix mp3s of this - could either amplify the quiet channel (although that may sound muffled) or just make them mono. not ideal but better than it currently is.

koogs, Sunday, 8 April 2012 08:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

The UK distributor certainly just got hold of copies of a lot of Basinski's own label titles once again - I don't know if this means an actual re-release or just a re-ship to the UK.

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 8 April 2012 09:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
3 months pass...

Wow.

William Basinski's Disintegration Loops is being released in its entirety by Temporary Residence as an enormous box set that weighs 12lb. The set contains nine LPs, plus five CDs, a DVD and a 144 page book. It includes all four volumes of The Disintegration Loops on CD and vinyl, plus two orchestral performances pressed to vinyl, the 63 minute film on DVD and a book featuring photos and liner notes by Basinski, Antony, David Tibet and others.

The Disintegration Loops box set will be released on 4 September in an edition of 2,000 copies.

http://bit.ly/MYP428

Barnaby, Hardly, Monday, 6 August 2012 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Now to find that $275

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 August 2012 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yep, and to add on the brutal shipping / mark up for a copy in the UK!

Barnaby, Hardly, Monday, 6 August 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

already picking out LPs to trade for this.

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 6 August 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Barnaby, Hardly, I hope that we don't get too fleeced on this side of the Atlantic! I think that Cargo still distributes Temporary Residence over here; I will try to find out if they're getting copies of this beast...

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Monday, 6 August 2012 20:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

2000 copies x $275 = $550,000

jeez

you're all going to hello (Z S), Monday, 6 August 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I imagine the cost of putting the package together was pretty hefty.

Trip Maker, Monday, 6 August 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

I would hardly think that this is any kind of money making exercise.

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Monday, 6 August 2012 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

why would you want to buy 2000 copies i think one would do just fine

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 6 August 2012 22:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah but imagine them all played at once just slightly outta sync

, Blogger (schlump), Monday, 6 August 2012 22:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I came here to post about this. Really really really trying to figure out a way to buy this. Between this and the Grateful Dead Spring 1990 box, I may need to liquidate a guitar or something. This is why I'm such a lousy guitar player, by the way - I'd always rather have records than gear.

Man, DP on wax. They better be serious about that 'never again to be released on vinyl' nonsense. But as this is both mine and my wife's all time favorite piece of music (errr, maybe after Monk's solo version of "Darn That Dream," for me), I feel it's my obligation as a lifelong music nerd to buy this thing.

I wonder how much they're paying for plasma these days...

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 6 August 2012 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

From the label, via Facebook...

"There's a lot of news floating around about William Basinski's "The Disintegration Loops" box set we are releasing. Some of it is true, some of it is not. It's all based on rumor and cobble-togethed bit of somewhat speculative/presumed information, as we have obviously not made a formal announcement. Please hang tight, we'll make a formal announcement within 24 hours, including a pre-order link. Thanks for your patience and support! This will be something special."

Barnaby, Hardly, I hope that we don't get too fleeced on this side of the Atlantic! I think that Cargo still distributes Temporary Residence over here; I will try to find out if they're getting copies of this beast...

― NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Monday, August 6, 2012

Yep! The Eluvium box was pretty well distributed over here. I dropped a mail to both Boomkat and Norman Records and they both said they'd be getting it in..

Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 00:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not to be contrarian, but I don't think vinyl is really the best way to experience these albums. Part of the beauty is the uninterrupted decay... The orchestral version are appealing (I saw the one at the Met last year, which was really incredible), but I sort of wish they were releasing those individually. I'm pretty alright with the CD copies I already have.

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 02:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah but imagine them all played at once just slightly outta sync

holy shit that would actually be amazing

ledge, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 08:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

check the comment (and username) on 1.1 here: http://youtu.be/qYOr8TlnqsY

"Drone usually isnt my thing, but the great artful meaning behind this series of pieces is honestly the most impact a sheer hour has had on my life. Seeing the smoke of the 9/11 crashes and thinking of how one could make something so beautiful and listen to it while something so tragic was happening makes your mind drift into so many places. Since it is the last song of music, it proves to you that even inanimate objects die and somehow live a life during their cement being."

-bitchassfagg0t 1 month ago

alpine static, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

there is no best way, there are only different ways.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm not sure about this, here seems to be something fake about the whole enterprise. the end result is somewhat dull and the 9/11 links seem both extremely strained and too obvious.
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:57 (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i sometimes wonder whether the whole story behind disintegration loops is a fiction

thomp, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I would hardly think that this is any kind of money making exercise.

i think that's exactly what it is. i loathe these elitist bullshit coffee table box sets.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

There's a recent live set up at Dime
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=415651
1 track 1/2 an hour long, haven't heard it yet.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Really enjoyed last night's QEH performance; we got the world premiere of the orchestration for DLP 2.1 (featuring someone on amplified clingfilm), then DLP 1.1. Both took a couple of minutes to settle into, but were pretty amazing after that.

Is there a plan to orchestrate the entire thing?

toby, Monday, 13 August 2012 05:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

bitchassfagg0t otm

contenderizer, Monday, 13 August 2012 05:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

agree about overpriced coffee table bullshit, but i look forward to downloading this and skipping it when it comes up on random

contenderizer, Monday, 13 August 2012 05:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Heads up, heads, he's playing in SF in a month as part of the Electronic Music Festival

Hotblack Desiatos #1 Hits 1942 (Spectrist), Monday, 13 August 2012 05:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Really enjoyed last night's QEH performance; we got the world premiere of the orchestration for DLP 2.1 (featuring someone on amplified clingfilm), then DLP 1.1. Both took a couple of minutes to settle into, but were pretty amazing after that.

Thought 2.1 was fantastic, 1.1 too focussed around the trombone for my liking (nothing against trombones it just seemed top heavy). But the double bass drone it finished on was absolutely electric.

On a tetchier note, can we ban from all 'high art' events (for want of a better term) all hipsters, young people, or anyone incapable of a) arriving on time; ii) sitting quietly for more than two minutes; and 3) going for any length of time without a drink or a smoke. There were people entering late all the way through the first piece and a good ten minutes into the second after the interval and it was really fucking annoying. I blame QEH a bit for not making it clear that the interval wouldn't be long enough to go out for a fag and visit the bar. The cinema style bag rustling was beyond the pale and the palpable discomfort when the conductor held the silence for a couple of minutes after the end of the second piece was ridiculous. Although it was kinda funny when someone started clapping literally half a beat after the end of the first, and then hurriedly stopped, when the conductors arms were still raised and the orchestra still at attention.

kmfdotm (ledge), Monday, 13 August 2012 08:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

People sat near me were pretty good, apart from someone who had the rustliest bag known to man & unleashed it twice. I'll forgive them the 1st occasion, but not the 2nd.

Wandering Boy Poet, Monday, 13 August 2012 12:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was pretty lucky with people around me (I'd lucked out on a ticket dead in the middle of the third row, which minimised distraction), but I did notice people entering late - particularly odd as they had signs up saying there would be no late admittance. They could definitely have done a better job informing people about an interval, or even just that there were going to be two pieces - I only knew that from the website, and I'd imagined there would be an interval.

In general I find shows like this suffer a little from being neither traditional classical shows (where silence, no late admission etc is pretty standard) nor obviously more relaxed, so people don't know quite how to behave (cf. the guy who sat in a dark theatre pissing around on twitter on his phone in front of us at a Steve Reich show in Chicago a couple of years ago). Obviously I would prefer them to shut up and sit still.

Thought 2.1 was fantastic, 1.1 too focussed around the trombone for my liking (nothing against trombones it just seemed top heavy). But the double bass drone it finished on was absolutely electric.

Agreed; have listened to the NPR recording of 1.1 enough to be expecting the trombones, though, so they didn't bother me (and I enjoyed watching them). That double bass drone was wonderful.

toby, Monday, 13 August 2012 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've never heard any of the live performances - how do they emulate the disintegration effect? do players just gradually drop out over time?

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Monday, 13 August 2012 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

sometimes i listen to this stuff all day long

surm, Monday, 13 August 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

On a tetchier note, can we ban from all 'high art' events (for want of a better term) all hipsters, young people, or anyone incapable of a) arriving on time; ii) sitting quietly for more than two minutes; and 3) going for any length of time without a drink or a smoke.

he performed 'vivian & ondine' at this little gallery space in LA a month ago and had to start over about two minutes in because he couldn't be heard over the sound of people outside talking/laughing/opening beer/etc

half-worm inchworm tapeworm (donna rouge), Monday, 13 August 2012 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've never heard any of the live performances - how do they emulate the disintegration effect? do players just gradually drop out over time?

roughly speaking, yes, although they all fade out individually.

toby, Monday, 13 August 2012 19:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah ok, that's what I expected. I assume the score has unique instructions for each player - "long decrescendo between measures 400-500", or whatever.

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

tangent, but people with billions of dollars have no idea how to have fun. if i was made of money, i'd hire an orchestra to play this, but instead of having them gradually fade out, i'd physically obscure the players. the stage would be composed of 16 or so modular units on wheels. over the course of the piece, a team of people would gradually dissemble the stage units and begin wheeling them off into an adjacent hall, turning them away from the audience, holding up long metal tubes in front of certain players. or better yet, at the same time, dissemble the audience and wheel them off at the same time, slowly.

but whatever rich people, buy your yacht, whatever

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh yeah, and also the hypothetical rich person would pay basinski and the orchestra handsomely for their performance and then perform it repeatedly for free, instead of for $50+ in a music hall.

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

if I was that rich, maybe I could buy a copy of this boxset

frogbs, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hoping this box set means people will just sell the cds so I can just pick up the ones I don't have for cheap. That or win the box set somehow.

formerly EDB (ed.b), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Re: the live disintegration, in 2.1 the actual disintegrating tape noise was simulated with percussion - snare brushing, rim tapping, and as already mentioned amplified clingfilm (or cellophane? It looked like clingfilm but I would have thought that would be too soft and quiet.)

kmfdotm (ledge), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

UK: http://www.normanrecords.com/records/135893-william-basinski--the-disintegration

― djh, Monday, August 13, 2012

Almost £300! You can have it shipped direct from the label to the UK for £175...

Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 10:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

You will get hit with VAT + customs duty + handling charge on parcel that size from the USA, almost without doubt. I would also fear for the safety of such a mammoth box coming all on its lonesome from the USA, however well they pack it. Tough choices...

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not that I'm saying that buying from Norman et al in the UK is an inherently 'better' choice, just that there may be more to consider than pure pricing.

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I hear you. But those additional charges won't get close to £125. I'm expecting then to be in the region of £50.

Also, the boxes still have to come from the US to get to Norman Records... Though they'll obviously be part of a larger, safer shipment.

I sold my unplayed Warp 20 boxset to fund this one, so you're mostly just reading me convincing myself that I've made the right decision to order direct...

Barnaby, Hardly, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 12:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Absolutely - the main thing is to enjoy it!

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 12:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

"I hear you. But those additional charges won't get close to £125. I'm expecting then to be in the region of £50."

Recently bought the Can box from US Amazon 'cos with that price even in the likely event I got hit with the extortionate fees & tax, it was still going to work out at pretty much the same price as UK Amazon.

Wandering Boy Poet, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

gr8 editing npr

"an old pile of old recordings"

"he keep the loops running"

am0n, Friday, 16 November 2012 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

was listed in boomkat newsletter today, £299, free postage.

http://boomkat.com/vinyl/561223-william-basinski-the-disintegration-loops-deluxe-box-set

koogs, Saturday, 17 November 2012 00:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

the frustrating thing, about being a record store that wanted to stock this, was that i placed a pre-order with a distributor. so it arrives and i'm trying to figure out what to price the damn thing at so that it's reasonably competitive, only to find that you can buy it direct from the label as a consumer for less than i paid for it wholesale. which is.. frustrating, wanting to be a retailed who carries something cool like this, but also being in a position where it's almost impossible to be competitive w/r/t pricing. meaning... i probably don't sell these things.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Saturday, 17 November 2012 00:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Just been listening to Radiolab's podcast (http://www.radiolab.org/2011/oct/04/) where they talk about the disintegration loops and interview WB himself. There's a little discussion about the relationship between the sounds on the tapes and the way in which the tape degrades; the decay parts of the chords decay first, the attack parts last. Do any of you have any idea why this might be?

neilasimpson, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 13:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i was just listening to that episode the other day! it's a great one. the only thing i could think of is that perhaps it has to do with the direction that the tape was looping. imagine a surface with a series of bumps. if you repeatedly ran your hand from right to left over the bumps, the bumps on the right might wear down faster than the ones on the left. maybe it's similar with the tape - with the attack on the left and the decay on the right.

dexpresso (Z S), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 13:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

in other personal listening relationship to william basinski news, i love disintegration loops, but i think i love melancholia and 92982 even more. what a guy!

dexpresso (Z S), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 13:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

new Basinski:

http://boomkat.com/cds/711685-william-basinski-nocturnes

koogs, Thursday, 16 May 2013 19:24 (11 months ago) Permalink

Ausgezeichnet.

the europan nikon is here (grauschleier), Friday, 17 May 2013 15:38 (11 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...
3 months pass...

Roughly a dozen Basinski albums just showed up on Spotify--more or less his entire discography *except* for Disintegration Loops. http://open.spotify.com/artist/6u5axd0rpDsWSmzhFfb2VB

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

good spot, thank you -- i feel like the (unexpanded) loops used to be on there but i don't know if i trust that

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 2 February 2014 21:03 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah thanks - I have an "orphaned artists" playlist for ones like Basinski where the only things on Spotify were by accident as part of some other comp or soundtrack (i.e La Monte Young, Zoviet France, etc) - now I can take Basinski off that list.

sleeve, Monday, 3 February 2014 16:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 3 March 2014 06:42 (1 month ago) Permalink

I think this tweet was the highlight of the Oscars for me.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 3 March 2014 06:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol

death and darkness and other night kinda shit (crüt), Monday, 3 March 2014 06:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

is he producing new music these days? seems like the only things i've seen him release the past few years are reissues and reworkings of older pieces.

Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 02:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

he's on bbc6 freak zone this week talking about stuff. probably these upcoming gigs.

http://www.factmag.com/2013/11/20/william-basinski-to-recreate-his-storied-arcadia-venue-in-east-london-recruits-charlemagne-palestine-and-rhys-chatham-for-shows/

koogs, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 09:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

(which start tonight)

koogs, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 09:24 (1 month ago) Permalink


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