Bob Seger Reissue News

Regardless, Chuck to thread. Even though I know he hates that phrase.

How about Mongrel next please Capitol?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00081U6IW/ref=pm_dp_ln_m_2/104-2836217-1475920?v=glance&s=music&vi=samples

I love "Ride!" by Dee Dee Sharp.

East Side Story/East Side Sound (Cameo 438) 1966
Sock It To Me, Santa/Florida Time (Cameo 444) 1966
Persecution Smith/Chain Smokin' (Cameo 465) 1966
Vagrant Winter/Very Few (Cameo 743) 1967
Heavy Music/Heavy Music, pt 2 (Cameo 494) 1967

"Persecution Smith," "Vagrant Winter," "Very Few" -- that's some of the best U.S. rock and roll of the mid-sixties. The stuff is in league with, say, Beefheart's Safe as Milk.

I still haven't dug out my "Vagrant Winter" 45 since that noize board thread, Tim! I will try to tonite.

"Pete Best was, as many of you will know, the original drummer with The Beatles, who was ousted to make way for Ringo Starr. Decca were quick to sign his new outfit but they lacked the talent to make it. Pete Best also recorded 45s and albums in the US for labels like Cameo, Mr. Maestro and Happening. One of his best, The Way I Feel About You, was a pretty grungy beat-punk effort.

Best also made some recordings with Joe Meek shortly after departing the Beatles, however none have subsequently seen the light of day."

THE BEST OF HIDEOUT RECORDS

1 Bob Seger & The Last Heard East Side Story
2 Underdogs Get Down On Your Knees
3 Pleasure Seekers Never Thought You'd Leave Me
4 Henchmen Please Tell Me
5 Mushrooms Burned
6 Bob Seger & The Last Heard Heavy Music
7 Underdogs Don't Pretend
8 Bottle Company Lives For No One
9 Bob Seger & The Last Heard Persecution Smith
10 Yorkshires I Go Crazy
11 Mushrooms Such A Lovely Child
12 Underdogs The Man In The Glass
13 4 Of Us You're Gonna Be Mine
14 Yorkshires Hey, Hey, Hey
15 Bob Seger & The Last Heard Chain Smokin'
16 Underdogs Friday At The Hideout
17 Underdogs Surprise, Surprise
18 Bob Seger System Lookin' Back
19 D. Dodger Ballad Of The Yellow Beret
20 Bob Seger & The Last Heard Vagrant Winter
21 Bob Seger & The Last Heard Florida Time
22 Bob Seger & The Last Heard East Side Sound
23 Bob Seger & The Last Heard Heavy Music, Part 2
24 Bob Seger & The Last Heard Sock It To Me, Santa

It's available from the address at the bottom of this page (or so I think. . .I got my copy a year or so ago):

http://www.psychotronic.info/ioam/hideout_records.htm

Back in '72 is great!! Noah is ... not so hot. Neither is Brand New Morning for that matter. I think he was still getting his head together. I actually found a nice Back in '72 for .50 at this university divinity school book sale where they had a small pile of like 50 records. And there was Back in '72 just waiting for me! It kinda made up for the fact that I paid through the nose for my Noah...

Yeah, re: Hideout, there's also this slightly more above-ground looking thing on Norton --

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005NKIC/qid%3D1115082877/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/103-4204839-3895845

the Underdogs were great! actually Tim, I thought of you the other day when I scouring the dollar bin, cuz I found a copy of the second ROMANTICS album, and it turns out they do a cover of "Friday at the Hideout" on it!! See, the Romantics were cool. I didn't buy it though, for some strange reason.

Um, I was here. I think people kinda already know what I think (same thing lots of others here might think): It's great that some of the stuff is resurfacing, but Seger will not be able to claim the Greatest Rock'n'Roll Album in the History of the Universe Award until all his early mid '60s to mid '70s punk rock singles are compiled in one place (and probably some tracks like "Lucifer" or "U.M.C." that may never have been actual singles per se'; I dunno, I'm too lazy to check now.)

Someone was telling me about a clip they'd seen of Seger doing Ramblin' Gamblin' Man on TV w/him switching between gtr and organ on the verses and choruses. I'd love to see that.

Bob Seger's "Night Moves": C or D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4723111324&rd=1

Would something like this qualify?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4726135862&rd=1

It seems to be a pretty obvious boot. Is there really a "Hall of Fame" records in Europe?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4725110613&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

screw CDs.

(xp)

The Hall of Fame comp that o.nate linked to looks great, but is missing a lot of tracks that i'd consider mandatory (lucifer, back in '72, u.m.c., ramblin gamblin man, rosalie, etc). A couple times on this board I've mentioned a vinyl bootleg best of seger's early years album i passed up at sam's jams in ferndale (which had a big pile of them) sometime in the early '80s, because i was to cheap to shell out 15 bucks or whatever. easily the dumbest missed record purchase of my life, and the last few times i checked, there was no evidence on the internet that such a record had ever even existed (assuming i didn't dream it in the first place, which is seeming more and more like a possibility, the older i get.) (i think it *may* have been on "seeds and stems records," also responsible for the legedary *michigan rocks* compilation, but maybe not.)

time to sell off those ? and the mysterians boots!!

xp

http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=2597702098

well hell, that *is* a super-cool cover! why did he ever grow a beard?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4726134005&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

I did, late last year, when my old turntable completely stopped working! But all I play on it is used vinyl I find, usually, so the needle doesn't stay "new" long. And that sounds perfectly fine to me! I'm not gonna replace it every couple months; I have better things to spend money on, and it wouldn't make a difference to me anyway. I've never been an audiophile at all. Audiophiles are nuts.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4719563460&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

That's true, but if you're talking about something like the Airwolf soundtrack, the chance of that coming back into print must be pretty close to nil, so it's a pretty safe investment for a collector.

http://www.airwolfthemes.com/awtworldrecord.html

xp

I don't recall it being anything special, but that was a long time ago.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4725497713&rd=1

Sorry! Last one! Commence Segering!

This is some serious bullshit. Outside of "UMC" and "Get Of Denver," how is any of this stuff what anybody would want on a good "early Seger" compilation?? (Not that I go to Meijer's much nowadays anyway.)

http://www.billboard.com/#/news/bob-seger-raids-vaults-for-early-seger-set-1004033025.story

The tracklist just seems totally random.

And wtf??: Highlights of the collection are four unreleased tracks, three of which -- "Star Tonight," "Wildfire" and "Days When the Rain Would Come" -- were written during the early '80s

I guess that's "early" compared to, like, the late '00s?

weird. the track-listing is just weird. and dumb. and a wasted opportunity.

because, you know, most know bob seger from his recent work like....uh....um....he did a chevy ad a few years back right?

face it -- the guy does not want his early singles reissued. we will see them over his dead body, i think.

i mean, don johnson throwaways? thanks, bob.

On the other hand, this is way beyond wishful thinking, but I can see how it might conceivably make some small sense from a business perspective -- Cut an exclusive deal with Meijer, pull a fast one on them by giving them all this useless crap that nobody wants, then save all the actual in-demand rarities for Walmart or Target or Cracker Barrel or somewhere...

If he wanted to reissue Ramblin' Gamblin' Man or Back in '72 on CD, he could do it easily. His last album sold really well. But he doesn't want to, presumably because of some rights issue(s).

My buddy put the song "Vagrant Winter" on a mix for me (he found the 45 somewhere in Chicago). It completely rules.
I have always wanted to hear "Heavy Music" but I'm beginning to think it will never happen.

that early stuff is floating around the interwebs. i managed to find it. if i can remember i can try to post it sometime.

I would think "Heavy Music" would be by far one of the easier of those tracks to find -- Smokin' OPs was only reissued on CD four years ago. (See top of this thread.)

plus, if you just want to HEAR it, it's on youtube.

i love most faux dylanisms, but bob's was top-notch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVG7hWLj-cg

I love the idea of a Meijer exclusive though. Meijer Thrifty Acres - Why Pay More? Meijer is a union grocery chain and a lot of people in Michigan won't shop at Wal-Mart b/c of their anti-union stance. So the fact that Seger hooked up with Meijer almost outweighs this supremely dodgy track selection.

that is true.

wow, re-recorded vocals, horns and other overdubs. what a sweetheart package!

there's a bootleg of seger singles called "'66-'67" that has the good stuff. also has "ballad of the yellow beret." and "santa's got a brand new bag."

I didn't really think it would never happen.

Meijer Thrifty Acres

aka Meijer's Shifty Fakirs when I lived in Michigan.

gonna skip this seger set in favor of the rationals reissue. "leaving here" is the equal of any early seger IMHO>

LOL @ bob rockin' that headband

i forgot about that rationals reissue. goddamn they were great.

What Rationals reissue?? (Way skeptical that their best comes anywhere near Seger's best, but I like what I've heard. Scott Morgan put out a cool single in the early '80s called "16 With A Bullet" too -- I reviewed it in the Voice and interviewed him for Creem when it came out, but naturally I don't have it anymore.)

haven't heard this yet. looks like there's filler -- 2 cds but nothing from their 1970 album? anyway their singles are great garage rock.

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sorry about that ^^ (mods feel free to delete)

http://therisingstorm.net/audio/thinkrational.jpg

their singles are great garage rock

Pretty generic, though, right? Which Seger's early singles almost never were. (At least, that's the impression I've always had about them. In fact, I guess in my mind I've always thought of the Rationals as, say, Detroit's answer to the Rascals or something. Blue-eyed-soul rock. Which is fine, but not exactly indispensible since Detroit already had Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels. I could be way off, though.) (Also just looked it up and discovered that the Rationals, Rascals, and Ryder all recorded their debut singles in 1965 -- So it's likely more like they were on similar wavelengths than anybody mimicking anything else.)

Agree with Mark's point about Meijer as a union shop, btw; now wonder whether that was an impetus for Seger's decision (in which case, it's admittedly an very cool move), or mere coincidence. ("Thrifty Fakirs" also sounds familiar, deep in my Michigan-smartass subconscious.)

a cover of Tim Hardin's "If I Were a Carpenter"

"If I Were Near Carpenter and Ellsworth," more like.

http://www.meijer.com/atstores/main.jsp?storeNumber=27

they are committed to familyness. i think we can all get behind that:

Familyness
We are a company that is committed to you; we care about you and your family by providing positive solutions to your everyday problems.

Whole lotta letter 'y's in that statement. Just saying.

how do you pronounce meijer anyway? meeeeeejer or major or my-er or may-her or meeeeeJar or my-whore?

just remember, ned, there's no WHY? in familyness.

It's "my-er". My in-laws are from Grand Rapids and are big Meijer boosters---they even have nicknames for the various Meijers near their house. We shopped there for a while when we lived in South Bend. It's just like Wal-Mart, big and crowded.

There is no WHY? in familyness. i am totally making that a t-shirt. I'm gonna sell it exclusively at Meijers.

today i saw this guy wearing a t-shirt that read:

gay? that's fine by me.

(and i couldn't figure out whether he was fine with ME or other people being gay or if when people yelled GAY! at him that he was fine by that. like, it wouldn't bother him. i'm still trying to figure it out...)

After fruitlessly search t'internet for a download, I found the '66-'67 boot from this store:

http://www.midnightrecords.com/psych2.html

i encourage everyone here and everyone that you know to sell cdr bootlegs of bob seger's early singles. then you might actually see an official release. of course, they remain on youtube (some, not all) and nobody seems to care, so, i dunno...

I ordered a copy on the strength of youtube, I'm a sucker for anything with that much vox top boost abuse in it.

Wow, that is one stunningly pointless compilation. From all of Back in '72 he selects an indifferent Allman Brothers cover instead of the title cut or "Rosalie" or even "Turn The Page"? And two tracks from Smokin' O.P.s, even though the '05 reissue is still (afaik) available in stores?? And adds George Lucas-style "extensive re-recordings" to "Long Song Comin'" - as well as new horns/vocals/whatever to a buncha '80s songs that were probably left unreleased for good reason, if they weren't up to the quality standards set by "Shakedown" and "Like A Rock"??? And finally calls it "Vol. 1", which implies that many more equally haphazard grab-bags are on the way???? That goes beyond mere indifference - it's as though he deliberately spent a lot of effort creating the most awesomely awful compilation imaginable.

I'll stick with my CDs and remastered-from-scratchy-vinyl CDrs, thanks. (And will cheerfully assemble a real nice proper collection from anybody who requests one.)

Will you now. (Please?)

I'd like that too! I haven't heard any of Seeger's early stuff, but this thread suggests that I need to.

Bob? That's fine by me.

Heck, count me in, too. It'd be nice to have all that stuff (some of which I don't have in any form whatsoever) in one place.

If you'll put something up it would be great---I love the 70s albums I have but I've only ever heard the earlier songs on youtube.

haven't heard this yet. looks like there's filler -- 2 cds but nothing from their 1970 album?

I think there's a second Rationals set in the pipeline, with the 70 album and some other stuff. Should be out next year.

I'd love to get in on that Seger stuff.

I wonder about that Think Rational comp, mostly because I have a previous Rationals comp also called Think Rational, which is mostly meh. Lots of muddy recordings of songs that probably sounded great live in the moment, but haven't held up.

Morgan's shows are still great, even though going out means convincing yourself to see a band called Powertrane, which, no surprise, plays some pretty Blues Hammer stuff. It's got a bunch of great local musicians in it though, and they have a hell of a lot of fun on stage (including Chris Taylor, the guitarist for Mazinga and The Avatars, who's unfortunately never going to make it out of Southeast Michigan).

He's also pretty huge in England and Scandinavia—well, relatively. But he can support touring with a twelve-member band in the UK, and he's got projects with the guys from the Hives that are OK.

I know that a Sonic's Rendezvous box (which Scott was also in) came out a couple years back, though I never had $50 at a time to get it. Oh, and if you get a chance to hear it, the Scott's Pirates stuff that he did in the '80s is pretty fun too—sort of in between Bob Seger and Marshal Crenshaw.

MVB I also would welcome a well curated early comp

I would as well.

hai, MVB! i too would like in on some of this hot early Seger action please. da man can't bust our music, man! word.

Wow, such popular demand! I've gotten a 79-minute assortment all assembled and ready to go. Anyone who wants one, just email and let me know whether you'd prefer a CD-R or files sent electronically. (And I'd appreciate any recommendations regarding the best, simplest way to achieve the latter, other than simply sending mp3s via email, which is my current default method. I'm fairly clueless about this stuff.)

Giorgio, amateurist, I haven't forgot about you guys! I just need to know whether you'd prefer a CD-R or emailed files...

Anybody else? Tripmaker? Tylerw?

you got my email right? let me know if you need more technical advice.

hi there. i guess emailed files would be best! also: you are fantastic. thanks!

need this so bad!

just sent an email! thanks, man! I usually use sendspace.com -- just drag the mp3s into a new folder, create an archive zip file of that folder and upload.

Appreciate the sendspace info, tylerw - by now, you'll be the first recipient (if I didn't screw it up somehow...)

Sleev, your CDR is in the mail; ditto xhuxk. Anybody know Bob Seger's address? - I'd like to send him one too! And tell him that I'd happily pay 15 bucks for a nice shiny remastered and lovingly-packaged version of same...

looool

thanking u most sincerely

man, i want one of these. are you gonna sendspace this mvb?

yeahhhhh -- this was waiting for me in my inbox this morning. Myonga Vön Bontee -- internet hero of the week! thanks, dude!

Thanks senor Bontee!

Anybody know Bob Seger's address?

Not me. But he lives in Orchard Lake, Michigan, and his middle-school-age kids are due to attend my alma mater West Bloomfield High School. Or at least that's where he was two years ago, when I interviewed him for Billboard. (I had to give his publicist my phone # in New York, and he called me. He didn't talk much, if at all, about the status of his oldest music, but it's possible I didn't prod him much.)

By the way, do people know about this book? It's not bad. Great photos, anyway. Not a ton of text, but what's there is often informative:

http://www.bobseger.fanfire.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Store.woa/wa/product?sourceCode=BSEWEB&sku=BSE47713

Yay, apparently I did it right: SENDSPACE FILES FOR ALL!! I'll try and get everyone taken care of tonight; if I overlook anyone, just give me a reminder in a day or two.

xpost - Pretty cool that Bob still lives in Michigan. Info-wise, the best website I know of is segerfile.com. The creator flat-out claims it's the best Seger site on the web, and it's hard to disagree.

So apparently a bunch of the songs (e.g. "Mongrel") are only 15 seconds long? Did something go wrong in my download? Are any of the rest of you who got this finding the same thing?

maybe those are the wma files? i was actually just coming on here to ask if anyone knew how to convert wmas to mp3s ... The mp3s sound great, btw! But I can't play wmas on my itunes ...

maybe that's it...I converted the wma's using some freeware but maybe it screwed things up.

yeah, it's def. the wma conversion. I need to try another program, I guess. (on mac)

i was actually just coming on here to ask if anyone knew how to convert wmas to mp3s ... The mp3s sound great, btw! But I can't play wmas on my itunes ...

― tylerw,
dunno the answer to your question, but i could ysi ramblin' gamblin' man and mongrel in mp3 if you like. offer open...

would dig Mongrel; am presently rocking to Ramblin' Gamblin' Man (the album); "Black Eyed Girl" is pretty heavy!

no problem. i'll wait a bit to see if anyone else wants and i'll plan on sending this afternoon

The version of iTunes for PC will automatically convert WMAs to MP3s or M4As when you drag the WMAs into the library. iTunes for Mac does not do this, sadly. I took Myonga's comp to my work and converted it there.

yeah would love to get the mp3s of that stuff ... or m4as, whatevs.

whew the "Love The One You're With" on this comp is smoking.

^^^ totally.

Hey, this is totally sweet! I'd also love the mp3s!

Meaning that I got the zip from sendspace, the songs that I can play are really great, and I can't play wmas.

Also, I was enjoying how, when heard from a distance, Bob Seger doesn't sound that far from Captain Beefheart.

If it's still possible, I'd like a CD-R of this, thanks.

how did he get away with "persecution smith"? on the one hand, it doesn't really seem like parody. on the other, it's one of the most shameless bob dylan imitations on record--everything from the melody to the arrangement to the lyrics to the singing style. although i noticed that seger does get it on "white soul" howl in there, very undylanesque.

^^^yeah, he readily admitted to its being a total Dylan rip, except it's about Mr. Smith instead of Mr. Jones...

OK, round two! I'd considered checking back to see if there were any issues with the Windows Media files. I'll convert the remaining wmas to mp3 and re-transmit (or send a CDR) upon request to anyone who still needs one

I'd prefer mp3s---I've tried to convert the wmas and failed.

It's weird how he goes from the ballad of the yellow beret to 2+2=?
Thanks very much for this, btw.

Euler, maybe cym, i yousent mp3's to your gmail add'y on Sunday i think it was

xpost I also found that striking, the array of points on the political spectrum I encountered listening through the set.

Yeah, he even says "go ahead and call me yellow" in 2+2. It's like an answer song to himself.

it's like following up "Night Moves" with an ode to abstinence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lWVqt8isUA

it's like following up "Night Moves" with an ode to abstinence.

― tylerw, Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:57 PM (22 minutes ago)

i lol'ed

outdoor_miner---thanks! I received Mongrel and it's awesome! The wma's are in the compilation of early singles that MVB sent; I think there are some songs from Seven in that batch that I don't have, and I'd love to hear them. Obv. you guys are doing the work and if I'm being too demanding then just ignore me.

In a perfect world, this would be about Myonga's CD-R (which I might decide to take to desert island, if I could only take one album, btw):

BOB SEGER’S GREATEST HITS IS THE DECADE’S BEST-SELLING CATALOG ALBUM

Nielsen SoundScan and Billboard Confirm Title’s Unparalleled Success, Approaching Nine Million in U.S. Sales Alone

Hollywood, California – December 16, 2009 - Bob Seger’s Greatest Hits is officially the decade’s best-selling catalog album in the U.S., it has been confirmed by Billboard and Nielsen’s music sales tracking system, SoundScan. Since its 1994 debut, Seger’s Greatest Hits has sold close to nine million copies and enjoyed an unbroken two-year streak on the Billboard Top 200 before moving to the upper reaches of Billboard’s Catalog Albums chart for 660 weeks.

Myonga, if you're still offering, I'd love a copy of your comp, mp3, CDR, whatever works for you. Thanks!

scored a 45 copy this morning of bob's *if i were a carpenter/jesse james* single on the detroit label, palladium. sounds great.

now i want a cdr! i forgot to ask for one. myonga if you could send me a physical copy i'd send you something cool back.

Scott, the satisfaction of filling a hole in someone's collection (and amazement that I own something that you lack, aside from Uncle Sam's original-nude-cover "Heaven or Hollywood") is its own reward! I wouldn't know where to begin asking for something in return.

Dad A, if you've got no preference, I'll send you the Sendspace link when i get home. (Probably preferable to relying on the post office at this time of year, it just now occurs to me...)

I wouldn't mind an honourable mention in the "2009's Best Reissues" thread! (Make my mother proud)

Ha, I actually considered voting for the CD-R at the top of my Pazz & Jop ballot. Probably would have, if it had an official name and fake label or whatever. (Maybe should have anyway, but I chickened out.)

But actually, it's a very late 2009 release, right? So if Myonga gives it a proper name (on Myonga Records??), maybe I'll pencil it in for the next year's ballot. (A shoo-in for the #1 spot!)

I encourage this idea!

i'll vote for it next year!

MYONGA VON AWESOME!

I hope the P&J still exists for 2010. Because I hope there are enough bona fide critics around here to put this thing on the chart then. Because I hope that that could get his label to wake up, pay attention and disseminate this properly.

Aw, you guyz...(blushes)

Seriously, tho, Scott & dad: I need your email and/or home addresses before Tuesday, otherwise you'll have to wait 'till the new year when I return from my home away from home (on the Michigan-Ontario border y'all).

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So Myonga, we still need an official title for your CD-R!

And in other Seger reissue news, my better half gave me that 1966-1967 CD boot (KWR-7033, "2005 Alternative Edge Productions," available afrom Midnight Records) for Xmas; I'd asked for it before Myonga made his collection, and Myonga's is definitely way more comprehensive, but I'm still glad to have both. At least 1966-1967 has a title! Plus a familiar badass alley photo of a teenage Bob on the CD cover (with totally incongruous late '70s photos of him on the other side.) And mainly, four tracks that didn't make Myonga's disc -- "Florida Time" (Beach Boys-wannabee surf-rock), "East Side Sound" (revving dragster rock instrumental version of "East Side Story"), "Very Few" (post-doo-wop), "Heavy Music (Part 2)" (15 seconds longer than the original version, and my ears say not quite as wild, a bpm or two slower and a decibel or two less loud, and Bob says "it's a brand new bag now" in the middle and adds another line or two here and there, and the deeper-and-deeper orgasmic break buildup sounds slightly less raunchy I guess -- what the story, again, of why he re-recorded it?) 12 songs total (compared to Myonga's 27, which obviously covers a much wider span of time), but here's one time I don't mind being a completist. (Oh yeah, sound quality -- you can definitely hear cracks and pops, so I get the idea it's all recorded directly from old 45s.)

Howbout we call it Never Mind the Bullets Here's Early Bob Seger :D

About those absent tracks: "East Side Sound" I don't find particularly interesting; "Florida Time" I excluded because I believe that Bob doesn't appear on it at all, aside from some backing vocals (maybe); "Heavy Music" is in fact my own edit which I should've retitled "Part 3", and which consists of Part 1, with Part 2's "N.S.U., S.R.C..." couplet grafted on top (somewhat sloppily). And yeah, in retrospect I wish I had included the Young Rascals-ish "Very Few", even though it's wildly atypical. I guess I'll just have to offer to email those absentees to whoever wants 'em (I totally empathize with completism!)

Also, did I send out a faulty copy of "UMC"? I was looking for it on my hard drive last week but could only find an incomplete version barely a minute long - the full thing's three minutes and change. If anyone didn't get the complete track, I'll re-send that one too...

I'm sorry to be a pain about it, but do you have anyway of sending out the WMA tracks as MP3s instead? I've tried to convert the WMAs to MP3s without success. If no that's cool; I understand that it's a hassle to do this.

Not a hassle at all, I've already done it. I'll send the sendspace link when I'm back from out of town after New Year's.

Never Mind the Bullets Here's Early Bob Seger

EXCELLENT title! Now let's just hope everybody remembers it, come 2010 Pazz & Jop time. (I'll do my best to keep it fresh in people's minds.)

And yeah, totally agree those 4 other cuts on 66-67 range from expendable to negligible. Not complaining about your selection at all!

How can I get a copy of this???

^^^am also interested

^^^

anybody have a tracklist handy? i have ramblin' gamblin man and mongrel - wondering what i'm missing

(xp)^^^

east side story
persecution smith
heavy music
chain smokin'
vagrant winter
remblin' gamblin' man
down home
tales of lucy blue
2+2=?
noah
innervenous eyes
lonely man
death row
highway child
mongrel
lucifer
leanin on my dream
lookin' back
love the one you're with
rosalie
back in 72
i've been workin'
get out of denver
cross of gold
UMC (upper middle class)
ballad of the yellow berets
sock it to me santa

I'll leave it to Myonga to send files but I can reup if necessary

whoops "ramblin'"

oh, i feel like a ninny for sleeping on this the first time around....file me please (someday)!

Me three (four, five...)

I'll join the queue...

If I can also add my name to the list, then yes please.

PLEASE

Haven't heard most of this stuff in over 20 years.

That mix sounds incredible. I hear Seger's original version of Rosalie on some XM channel the other day, it's great. Love Thin Lizzy's too.I'd love to get this

also PLEASE

Vagrant Winter COOKS

Haha, haven't checked this thread in awhile! You will all be taken care of within the next few days or so, promise (including those of you who've already sent emails in the past week). I'd get started right now but I'm going out socializing for once...

...hi everybody! Some of you have gotten 'em and some have not, but I'm not sure who has or hasn't, and the reason is that I've had browser problems which resulted in my inbox totally vanishing, grr. But it appears to be straightened out for the moment, so if you'd like to give it another try, I'm still sc0ttybl✧✧✧@r0g✧✧✧.✧0m (with o's instead of zeroes, of course.) As always, leave an email address for the Sendspace link or home address for a disc.

Wow, that's ugly! I'll try again:

scottybloom

Sent

Chrissakes!

"scottybloom at rogers dot com"!

Gotcha, Mordy, thanks xpost

Thanks a million, MVB. This stuff cooks.

Yeah, I've been loving this stuff ... is everything converted to mp3 now? I could never get those few wav files to play or convert ...

All of them were mp3.

why isn't this available on slsk?

What's the correct order for the tracks?

ILILM

A thousand thank-yous, Myonga!

Sent

mucas gracias!

http://i1040.photobucket.com/albums/b409/mvatmindlessdotcom/Untitled.jpg

myonga rules!!!

"persecution smith" is a ridiculous dylan ripoff, sure, but it's got this bubblegummy chorus that suggests he had a monkees LP on the changer, too. maybe even some archies. it's brilliant.

still absorbing the rest.

Yeah, it's pretty great. Also: DO YOU SEE how easily the lyrics can be repurposed for laughs to be about 2010 and cr*zy t**b*gg*rs.

Has anyone detected the bowling alley sounds said to be on the early tracks? I can't, but I'm kinda deaf.

"persecution smith" is a ridiculous dylan ripoff, sure, but it's got this bubblegummy chorus that suggests he had a monkees LP on the changer, too. maybe even some archies. it's brilliant.

(I think I mentioned this in another Seger thread but) real early on, he played the cafeteria at my dad's high school, and when someone asked him (pointedly, perhaps) to play some Dylan, his response was something like "I don't play Bob Dylan. I play Bob Seger."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u5x9pdInTU

http://www.freep.com/article/20100326/ENT04/100326021/1371/Seger-surprises-with-fall-tour-plans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2aBOTNGWMY

hey folks, I sent in the CDDB info for Myonga's CDR, so if you have the CDR version you should get the track titles now! One more step in "legitimizing" this, still hoping for P&J votes.

Thanks, sleeve! (Too bad that the first few I sent have a slightly different sequence...)

whoops! tell me what it is now and I will reconfigure, I need to burn a copy for a friend anyway so I'll do it with the correct order and reup it. I have a hunch it has to do with the placement of "Sock It To Me Santa"...

still hoping for P&J votes

Nearly a third of the way into the year, it's still on track to get 30 of mine.

The cdr MVB circulated utterly kills, not a bad track on it. Quite a shock for someone like me who assiciates this guy with "Like A Rock" etc. Frigging awesome!

is there still a dl link for the latest version of this avaliable? I got the earlier version, but that was the one with .wav files ... either way, it is awesome.

Mine was just the first download, not the CDR. Anyway, it kills.

tyler I converted the wmv tracks to mp3 and that's what I'm listening to. If nothing else I could up that.

not an emergency, but if you've got the time, that'd be awesome, Jon.

hey i never got the email with the link to the CD/mp3s!

The cdr MVB circulated utterly kills, not a bad track on it. Quite a shock for someone like me who assiciates this guy with "Like A Rock" etc. Frigging awesome!

Yeah, no bout adoubt it. Along with the Runaways soundtrack, it's the best hard rock 'record' I've listened to this year. If Seger had any sense he'd pay MVB a fee for artistic consulting,
give him a piece per unit sold and put it in stores. Rhino Handmade couldn't have done a better job. That's assuming Seger owns all the rights now.

Joining the chorus for Myonga's Bob Seger comp. Might get my P&J #1 as well!

damn people, give me a link!

Damn, I was SURE I'd sent you one months ago! When i get home I'll try again. (Or for the first time, as the case may be...)

Fuckin Ramblin Gamblin Man Maaaaaaaaan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMQmSvKQpUs

Metal Mike Saunders, last week:

if i may interrupt the 24/7 KE$HA unpaid fanboy promo-work for 5 seconds
this 1970 Seger regional hit 45
was one of the awesomest greatest soundingg 45s EVER
whatever CCR's greatest chartalmost-topper (they had many no.2's, never a no.1 single)
this motherfucker is JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER i mean holy fuckiing whoa WHAT A LEAD VOCAL
and killer guitar riff
1966-1970 bob seger we salute you!
and it's not even his greatest 45....

that would be (for my money, since it's a match for the orig Animals w/Eric Burdon's very greatest singles)
EAST SIDE STORY by Bob Seger and the Last Heard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JL_N-Dly-Q

Chuck, this isn't the first time you've blown my mind. Crazy, but I've never heard any early Seger like that before...wow. Awesome. Thank you!!

damn people, give me a link!

― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:53 (5 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^ could someone pls hook me up w/ this as well??

Would be grateful for a link as well.

So, I'm still not going to be alone in giving this 30 Pazz & Jop points this year, right?

me three.

xp

is p&j still a thang?

I should remember to check this thread every coupla months or whatever...anyways, I've re-upped the files again, give 'em a try!

uh...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/v9h0zm

Grazie!

:) thx!

yay!

Cheers - got Ramblin' Gamblin' Man on vinyl last month and it's in heavy rotation at the moment.

Those early tracks on your comp are pretty damn good

Yeah, great stuff on this comp. What is the preferred tracklisting? I just put it in chron order, wasn't sure (rough b/c I didn't want to put "Ballad of the Yellow Beret" first even though I think that is the earliest single). Next time around I'd be happy to u/l this, I've fully tagged it with release years, individual bands, etc. Thanks a lot for making it.

Thanks for the link! It's funny to think that these songs would be so surprising to people, but I guess if you didn't grow up in the Detroit area (where many of these were as ubiquitous on local radio as anything by, say, Foghat or Boston) then there's a good chance you haven't heard them yet.

i think i've found the perfect cover photograph for this (awesome) comp. stay tuned as i get my scanner working.

i am still tuned tylerw

oh right! will get that together. it's kind of an amazing photo.

Tyler- where's my cover photo?

And secondly, putting together my best of '10 list and this is one of the reissues. MVB Records the "official" label or are we crediting it differently?

Here's how I'm listing it when I give it 30 Pazz & Jop points (hope I'm not alone in that), though I'm open to other suggestions:

Bob Seger – Never Mind the Bullets Here's Early Bob Seger (Myonga CD-R)

nice piece in the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2010/dec/29/bob-seger-detroit-rock

Awesome -- I hope Michael Hann votes in Pazz & Jop! (I've never heard of him before -- does he post on ILX? If not, now I'm starting to wonder just how far and wide Myonga's Seger collection has been distributed in the past year.) I think he overstates the extent to which Seger was musically "conservative" (whatever that even means at this point), and maybe the extent to which punks rejected him any more than Petty or Springsteen (though I say that from a Detroit vantage point, of course, and Hann does go on to mention the Eddie & the Hot Rods and Thin Lizzy covers in the comments section.) I also had no idea that Face The Promise (for which I actually interviewed Seger for Billboard) sold enough to go platinum, either; but according to Wiki, at least, Hann's right.

I mean, "Old Time Rock N Roll" has a musically conservative message by definition, I guess, but "Looking Back" is expressly a song about how nostalgia's not a good thing.

OK, for completists' sake, I've uploaded a few more files, just to get those remaining Hideout recordings up there for whoever wants 'em. "Very Few" is a very uncharacteristic ballad but I like it OK. "Florida Time" features Seger on backing vocals only. "East Side Sound" is just "East Side Story"'s backing track with some indifferent lead guitar in place of vocals. And "Heavy Music Part III" is just something I made up myself for the hell of it, a stereo track consisting of Part 1 in one channel and Part 2 in the other.

And wrt the "album cover", here's my own attempt:

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/5495755/bullets3.JPG.html

I know, it's pretty sloppy, garish and not too imaginative. But I'm in love with that assortment of record labels.

Grrr...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/5495755/bullets3.JPG.html

That's actually fairly decent. Take it on a cd down to the local FedEx office story and have it printed out on photo paper in postcard size. It'll look great, I can pretty much guarantee it, particularly if you can redo the parts as .bmp composite. That will have greater fidelity and resolution.

that's nice, man.

as in keen... neato...

111st Place in Pazz & Jop from just five ballots (points-per-ballot average: 21), not bad!

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/albums/2010/TmV2ZXIgTWluZCB0aGUgQnVsbGV0cyBIZXJlJ3MgRWFybHkgQm9iIFNlZ2Vy/

Er -- 111th, I meant.

Never would've guessed Tal would be one of those voters.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jfniic
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3kmodn
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8o3sfl
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d9siyk

J, you would have guessed it if I'd written anywhere about it, but I haven't yet. I pitched it to a couple places this year, but apparently no one was interested in a compilation confirming that Bob Seger's early work is some of the greatest rock music ever committed to tape. Their loss. I'm glad that guy from The Guardian wrote something, but I'd still like to see an epic early-Seger piece that somehow gets Bob's attention and lets him give the reins over to Myonga to release this excellent, excellent album.

Hi guy, I saw the #111 placement of "Never Mind the Bullets Here's Early Bob Seger" which led me here via Google. Sounds like a greeat comp. Nothing off "Brand New Morning" though? Not even "Louise"?

Anyway, I thought you guys might get a kick out of this thing I put together last year, "101 Reasons This Is the Greatest Rock and Roll Photo Ever," at least partially inspired by Darnielle's old ilxor thread about "Ignition (remix)." Seger fans need to at least check out the photo: http://www.gloriousnoise.com/articles/2010/bob_seger_system_photo.php

*Hi guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hII1PpRemlQ

Finally was able to snag Myonga's comp off slsk (God that took long). THIS IS AMAZING!!

Nothing off "Brand New Morning" though? Not even "Louise"?

Would it be possible to get a link for this comp (or a copy of it--will trade, pay postage etc.). Thanks.

Here's the link:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/v9h0zm

Can't switch from NFL channel postagame until I see Rodgers 1 on 1 lol

Is there a tracklist somewhere that lists the sources for these tracks? I'm pretty unfamiliar with these songs and I'd like to see what original albums/singles they were from. I dled the sendspace file, but only some of the track tags are filled out.

Thanks Myonga.

Saw Seger live in '66! hahahahah Real Talk

Good lord. How was the show?

Not really "a show." Bar in Columbus, ripped. With the Last Heard. East Side Story was the jam, pre-Heavy Music. Did three sets as they were a "bar band" at the time. Lots of great covers, Ramblin, Gamblin Man was just a gleam in his eye at the time.

Wow!

xpost - Yeah, I was pretty lazy with the tags. Here's a fairly definitive breakdown:

"East Side Story", "Persecution Smith", "Heavy Music", "Chain Smokin'", "Sock It To Me Santa", "Vagrant Winter" - 1966-67 singles (Bob Seger & The Last Heard)

"Ballad of the Yellow Berets" - 1967 single credited to The Beach Bums

"Ramblin' Gamblin' Man", "Tales of Lucy Blue", "Down Home", "2+2=?" from Ramblin' Gamblin' Man LP (The Bob Seger System, 1969)

"Noah", "Innvervenus Eyes", "Lonely Man", "Death Row" from Noah LP (The Bob Seger System, 1969)

"Highway Child", "Mongrel", "Lucifer", "Leanin' On My Dream" from Mongrel LP (The Bob Seger System, 1970)

"Lookin' Back" - 1971 single

"Love The One You're With" from Smokin' O.P.'s LP, 1972

"Rosalie", "Back In '72", "I've Been Working" from Back In '72 LP, 1973

"Get Out of Denver", "Cross of Gold", "U.M.C." from Seven LP, 1974

Yeah, "wow" I'm fkin OLD. hahahaha I followed him through most of his arena arc too, til about 77 or so. Even that schmaltz was good too at first.

Now I got nothing bad to say about the guy but I don't listen to much that came after the stuff you've posted here.

He plays piano on Kid Rock's new LP. The sound of dismay.

Ever heard The Bob Seger Liberation Army? Purty good.

Thanks again.

Actually, it's The Seger Liberation Army.

http://ratb0y69.blogspot.com/2010/12/seger-liberation-army-down-home.html

If I remember tomorrow, I put all these in chron order with the correct band names and added Tyler's artwork from above, I will try and upload that too.

Thanks Myonga, I really appreciate that breakdown! I'm kind of anal when it comes to my tags and wanted to make sure I credited them to the correct artist. Again, really appreciate your work on all this. Growing up my mom was a huge Seger fan, but of course the Silver Bullets era mega-popular stuff, so I'm diving into this side of his work for the first time. Glad I gave it a go!

oh shit, i forgot i was going to scan this seger photo i've come into possession of. i'll do it i swear. cover art myonga has is nice, the pic will be a good supplement. not sure of the year, but it is early. and classic.

Looks like Myonga's work is getting out into the wider world.

I'm guessing ghostcapitol is on here but I don't know who it may be.

SHOW YOURSELF!
[that is a great blog btw]

GC got the link from me.

Ah looks like the tagging is all set then, well done.

For some reason, Never Mind The Bullets has risen to 93rd.

Okay just listened to this twice today and, holy fuck, what a revelation. Thank you so much for putting this together Myonga. I will definitely be keeping my eyes peeled for some of this stuff on vinyl. I know I've passed up a couple in the past, dismissing Seger as nothing I'd care for.

xp Yep, Frank. From the Pazz & Jop thread, yesterday:

When I looked at the album list a couple days ago, the Bob Seger bootleg was up to #93! But then I noticed how that happened: Placements (on both lists, I think) had been altered to acknowledge ties, but instead of say, two albums tied for #32 followed by an album at #34 (which would be the proper way to do it), they're now followed by an album at #33. And so on, increasingly, down the chart..
― xhuxk, Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:44 PM (2 days ago)

Yeah, I just figured that out too (was looking at the singles list and was wondering why several hundred were tied for 40th place, and then noticed what you noticed) (wouldn't be surprised if the Voice has fewer people on its technical staff than several years ago).

Have actually listened to Brand New Morning, which according to Wikip is a gem, and according to Seger (according to Wikip) is buried in his backyard, presumably so as to prevent it from ever seeing the light again. I think Seger's policy is correct and the gem person is wrong. "Louise" might have been passable if there'd been a band accompanying Seger and he'd worked on the vocals. But there are plenty of better tracks from other early albums that also didn't make it onto Never Mind The Bullets (my favorite of these being "Long Song Comin'" from Seven).

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5131/5395451345_18a307fe15.jpg
ok finally scanned this thing

I mean, "Old Time Rock N Roll" has a musically conservative message by definition, I guess, but "Looking Back" is expressly a song about how nostalgia's not a good thing.

What is wrong about looking back on the good things from the past? It's not like everything was better in the past, but some things were, and looking back on them is good, not least because the future can learn from it.

that pic is amazing.

Okay what's the story behind that photo.

i don't really know! a friend knows a photographer who used to take concert pics in the 70s, and he just had a stack full of these things. for some reason (even tho he didn't know about myonga's comp) my friend sent me this one. don't know where/when it was taken. but i've spent a lot of time looking at this photo. i think it means ... something.

haha look it's Boots Riley from The Coup in his time travel machine, jammin' with Bob.

also of note to this thread, I got a copy of Smokin' O.P.'s at the record show yesterday and during our afterparty put on "Heavy Music" as an invisible jukebox, the guests' closest guess was Ike Turner!

anyone have any guesses on the date of that photo? judging from the foxy lady in the foreground, it's gotta be early 70s right?

Seems about right judging by the muttonchops on the guy in the back with the crazed look on his face.

unfortunately Smokin OPs has like two good songs on it - the first one and the last one

yeah I figured that out, but hey it was cheap

that photo is great. a seemingly mundane 'moment', but you can't stop wondering what happened before and after...and the look on Bob's face, it's like he's staring into the abyss. Love it.

The chick knows what happenin'.

add the chick to the list of people who aren't so sure about the songs on Smokin OPs.

I can't help it, I keep thinking about the recording scene from the horrible MST3K movie Pod People

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv3FHMD4uNw&feature=BF&list=PLA28A2D1628618275&index=4

Hahaha.

I think it was just the wood-panelled studio that did it.

But it might explain Bob's expression.

She's plugging her ears 'cause she doesn't want to hear the shit that's gonna go down when the studio owner notices that Bob is carrying a drink! Fuggin' downriver punk.

Judging by her pants, I am going to guess 1973. It is a great photo and weirdly compelling.

"Smokin O.P's" blows. As does "Brand New Morning". and I say this as a massive Seger fan, but realistic enough to recognize when he faltered. And he faltered on those two LPs. Great call by Myonga to bypass 'Brand New Morning' completely on his comp

btw, I guess I just heard rumors that Bob is planning a 2011 concert tour? I totally assumed the previous one would be his last. That voice is real ragged. yet, something tells me I will drag my ass out there to a Chicago show...

Oh hell yes

jeez.. wld love see the guy. also, pic above needs to be polled somehow

sounds like the actual dates will not be announced until next week ... also, lol, apparently his current drummer is Don Brewer from Grand Funk Railroad -- even better!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/exclusive-bob-seger-tour-details-20110128

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/86564/bob-seger-tour-details-coming-up

Hope he comes out San Fran way!

Smoking OP's isn't very good but the Bo Diddley cover is plain great.
My boss just went crazy when I told him of Bob and Don Brewer playing together: he's like the biggest Seger/Grand Funk Italian fan ever.

"also, lol, apparently his current drummer is Don Brewer from Grand Funk Railroad -- even better!"

Jesus, that's a killer pairing. Maybe he'll let Brewer do a drum solo on TUNC

He's had Brewer backing him for years. When I saw him in 2007, Brewer was the drummer.

Plus, new album? That could actually be good. There were a bunch of solid songs on Face the Promise.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z120/j77gm/nevermind.jpg

So perfect! Well done.

wow! would buy for 30 dollars american on vinyl!

anyone know someone at numero group?

It is really good, Am, but I'd actually keep everything the same and put the 'Never Mind..' in a bright pink for better jarring effect. And then Myonga's 45/LP cover montage can be the full-cover inner sleeves

Nah. Works perfectly this way. The red and yellow faded into the background looks vintage like an old LP cardboard cover.

plus it matches the do not carry drinks sign.

I concur. (I've already updated the artwork in my iTunes playlist to include it.)

The great mysteries of this photo continue to reveal themselves:

* What, exactly, is the deal with her hair -- a reverse dye job? Pulled back and piled on top?

* Does the tiny Canadian flag means this was from a show there?

* Who owns the thumb on the left hand side?

* Why is glasses man pulling a face?

I keep thinking that's Rob Tyner behind him.

ahahah, that is perfect, amateurist. i've got one other photo of what i believe is the same night. gimme a sec and i'll scan it.

actually now that i look at it, it might not be the same night. unless bob did a wardrobe change before his set.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5177/5418966623_20e5973738_z.jpg
maybe a back cover photo?

Ooh, lots of black space for tracklisting. Also great because it looks like he's boxing his own noggin from side to side.

yeah, i did a crop that's closer up
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5419012577_d92d919653.jpg

back cover!

all we really need now is a cheap vinyl pressing plant THAT ASKS NO QUESTIONS.

seriously!!

Switch sides. The live shot is a better front cover. The other shot is great but too unfocused for the cover.

see for some reason i like the counterintuitive first shot being the cover but maybe i'm perverse.

yeah i like the first shot just cuz there's something HAPPENING there, you know? i don't know what's happening, but it is happening.

also the girl is cute

girls and babies and dogs. sell records. that's what william randolph hearst used to say.

Yeah the existing front cover is the way to go. I like the mystery there.

gatefold shot

http://www.gloriousnoise.com/images/bob-seger-system.jpg

yesssss. i guess this would have to be a double lp?

any of you blog-dwellers ever hear the pep perrine album on hideout? doesn't sell for a ton. curious though.

http://www.popsike.com/pix/20101203/130461758292.jpg

Amazing shots all. I would drop some serious change on this.

tyler, we need HD scans of these photos -- like 600 dpi.

also here's my tracklisting for a double LP. feel free to make alternative suggestions.

SIDE A (23:32)
the ballad of the yellow beret
east side story
sock it to me santa
florida time
persecution smith
chain smokin'
heavy music (part 1)
heavy music (part 2)
2 + 2 = ? (single version)

SIDE B (24:41)
ramblin' gamblin' man
tales of lucy blue
down home
noah
lucifer
highway child
mongrel
leanin' on my dream
lookin' back

SIDE C (23:06)
teachin' blues
midnight rider
bo diddley/who do you love
love the one you're with
back in '72
rosalie

SIDE D (22:49)
turn the page (studio version)
i've been working'
need ya
get out of denver
u.m.c. (upper middle class)
long song comin'

also yeah the studio shot HAS to be front the cover. the seger with the mic shot is the back cover with track listing on either side.

Hey fellas, while we're at it here's the inside sleeve art I made for my humble edit awhile back

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo346/HadrianVIII/small.jpg

(& I used the righteous mike pic from upthread for the front)

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo346/HadrianVIII/Front.jpg

OK, so I objected that the studio shot lacked focus. Let's give it some focus:

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/HideousLump/nevermind-bw.jpg

the natural one is like, perfection tho

I agree

love that we're all plotting out a hypothetical 2LP here

well, it actually needs to happen. Lord knows that 2009-2010 were all about these amazing 2LP comps of amazing African, Asian music what have you. let's all band together as the ILX community and create this thing. we should setup a PayPal address from some anonymous shit, and if everyone through in like 10 bucks, they'd get a copy of the 2LP

We just need ppl w/ skills, both design and ninja wise, to make something relatively easy like this happen

wish I could contribute, other than the $$. I am big IT guy but never design

basically, we need to find a way to evade Bob's lawyers...

i bet it can be done!

cheap pressing plant that asks no question? eksmfg.com

probably is that we need high-quality vinyl rips (like FLAC quality) otherwise the vinyl will sound like the shit MP3s that are circulating.

and by "probably" i meant "problem"

also the text on my cover art isn't perfectly centered. somebody want to re-do this and fix that? hey, anybody want to hook me up w/ a copy of photoshop for mac????

I have these as a WAV quality CDR thanks to Myonga, so that's not an issue (xp)

Thread is deindexed.

but were the WAVs made from MP3s??

anyone out there have a collection of original Seger 7"s?

I didn't think so but Myonga would know xp

pash modding like a champ and good citizen :)

Haha, not me, nope xxpost! CDs and CD-Rs only. I am but a link in the chain.

That album cover art is breathtaking indeed! I can't look at that picture of Hudson's without thinking "Stay alive with the MC5!"

but were the WAVs made from MP3s??

there are ways to tell if a WAV has mp3 in its lineage...

http://audiohub.org/get/fa/sa.htm

Oh yeah - all the files were originally mp3 or wma. The WAVs were originally mp3s that I tried to de-noise a bit (and usually wound up leaving mostly untouched)

I've done it before </nerd>

xp

aw damn so much for that 2LP idea xxp

man i feel bad i missed on the action. dl'ing now (thx myonga for sharing)

only own ramblin' gamblin' man which i love, i feel like this is gonna be epic.

the "album art" studio shot is just amazing.

man east side story is getting things off with a bang!

btw what's the protocol for sharing this on the internet? or is it kinda an ilx only thing?

i put it on my blog, been seeing it around elsewhere too.

cool.

persecution smith is amazing! it's the best dylan ripoff this side of "a public execution" off the nuggets box

vagrant winter! goddamn!

tyler where is your blog, i sent myonga an email but i got a delivery status notification failure

here you go
http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/
seger thing is one post down

http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files/2007-october/namaste.JPG

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9069/nancyseger.jpg

ahaha ... was hoping that seger pic would become an internet sensation. it begins here!

omg that is awesome

man he looks like james hetfield in that pic

yeah totally
http://hetfield.tarsierjungle.net/pageimages/pi_ga_closeup.jpg
is ... is seger hetfield's real daddy?

bob seger daddy issues would explain a lot of late period metallica lyrics

lol yeah. Bob Seger Daddy Issues might make a good band name, too.

"Turn The Page" = grounds for disinheritance

ballad of the yellow berets is a real piece of shit, glad this was at the end

On my copy, which Myonga sent me the Christmas before last, "Sock It to Me Santa" and "Ballad of the Yellow Berets" are tracks 6 and 7. The track order is otherwise the same as the one sleeve posted upthread.

I don't want to screw with Myonga's original tracklisting too badly, and endorse it over all others, but the version I made for myself has "Ballad of the Yellow Berets" and "Noah" out, with "UMC" coming before "Cross of Gold," and the whole thing ending with "20 Years From Now," which I love and prefer as a closer to this comp. But since this is—and correct me if I'm wrong—a more or less strict listing of Seger's singles in chronological order, that doesn't make much sense. And Myonga is the originator of this whole thing, so I defer judgment to his tracklisting. I also would love to see "Need Ya" in there, but it might have to be excised due to running time.

Feel free to mess with the tracklisting! I did so myself after sending the first few copies out (moved "Yellow Berets" to the end, just for m@tt!), and again after uploading it for the second or third time. And the version I play at home is different as well - I excised "Get Out Of Denver", which I've never really been crazy about.

i realize i sounded ungrateful by talking bad about yellow berets...that's the only song i don't like or love...overall this is fucking great, so thanks again sir :)

"Yellow Berets" fascinates me in a way...is this the first song to use the term "gay" as homosexual? First one I know of anyways...

Yeah. I really like it just as a flip side to the protest songs of the time...historically, at least to me, its pretty intriguing

if this were a CD comp it'd best be a hidden bonus track. you can't really do without it, but you don't want it front and center, you know what i mean? best to begin with 'east side story'.

incidentally "my" version of the CD comp is as follows

1. east side story
2. sock it to me santa
3. florida time
4. persecution smith
5. heavy music pt. 1
6. 2 + 2 = ?
7. ramblin' gamblin' man
8. ivory
9. noah
10. lucifer
11. highway child
12. teachin' blues
13. lookin' back
14. bo diddley/who do you love
15. midnight rider
16. so i wrote you a song
17. rosalie
18. turn the page
19. back in '72
20. 20 years from now
21. long song comin'
22. u.m.c. (upper middle class) -- i don't actually like this one much, but i didn't think i could fairly leave it out
23. get out of dener
[24. the ballad of the yellow beret]

btw that beautiful morning lp or whatever the acoustic one is called is HORRIBLE.

Just got this and dug it. Thanks, Myonga!

I found lossless (flac) versions of all of Seger's early albums. It's amazing how they remain out of print. The versions sound really good -- I can't tell if they were ripped from vinyl or not. I like 'em in this order:

1970 Mongrel
1973 Back In '72
1974 Seven
1968 Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
1975 Beautiful Loser
1972 Smokin' O.P.'s
1969 Noah
1971 Brand New Morning

Did you find them on a blog or via torrent? If on a blog, please share!

uh yeah, share please.

though brand new morning would suck in any format.

btw i think beautiful loser and smokin OPs are still in print.

Not blog nor torrent. I still use s...k.

smokin' o.p.'s is p easy to find on vinyl...so is ramblni' gamblin, hardly ever see mongrel which i want now

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEALED-Bob-Seger-System-Mongrel-LP-NICE-COPY-/220737471795?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3364fa8533#ht_587wt_1141

I love Mongrel, was excited to find a used copy of that, don't see it often.

early seger bootleg: http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/bob-seger-system-1970-a-110160.html

effin' awesome!!! ty tylerw

Seger says he's retiring, passing on the torch to the young'uns:

"I've been blessed. But it's time to go away and let the younger people take over, the Eminems and Kid Rocks of the world."

http://www.freep.com/article/20110323/ENT04/103240430/1318/SPORTS02/Will-Bob-Seger-retire-after-tour-He-contemplates-going-out-top?odyssey=mod|lateststories

I advise Bob to close his final show with a 45-minute long version of 2+2=??, followed by a scorching Ramblin Gamblin Man/Lucifer/Night Moves medley.

...in a caveman vest

wearing a necklace made of the shrunken skulls of berry gordy, ron asheton, rob tyner and sonic smith

Actually, Kid Rock is already older than Al Kaline was when he retired (if the age in that article is right.) And Eminem turns 40 next year, so he's Kaline's retirement age now. I still love how, outside of Sinatra, Seger's reference points in that article are all Detroit guys.

I just got this book in the Borders clearance:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EvsZ%2By2jL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

It's pretty neat. Lots of pix & stories from the early days. Makes you wish there were a set of shiny reissues to go with it.

note to self: go to Borders

I thought this would have been revived to post this, v. nice piece on the early stuff the Never Mind the Bullets:

http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/bob-seeger-bootleg-compilation/Content?oid=3770583

awesome piece. does he post here? probably under some name like flopsy topsy or something. i'd never know who he was.

T@l's a terrific guy and a good writer. Another former Stylus alum.

haaaa, that's awesome. tal had gotten in touch with me about the photo, and we were able to solve the mystery. hilarious that the pic is DURING bob's set! just takin' a break.

cranking this now. it really is great!

Great article, thanks for linking it, Mark! (And, obviously for WRITING it, if you're there, Talrose!)

I saw that Seger appeared in the most recent Rolling Stone, and had mad unrealistic hopes that either Bob or the writer would have been aware of Bullets and made mention of it, but no dice. Too bad - I would've bought five copies for my mother!

dudes can we still has this comp file i would like to hear

so now i know where kid koala got the riff for the opening track, 100% on his recent rock-n-roll based cut-n-paste mixtape the slew album.

[spoiler : tis a lift from the main riff from down home]

this a f*cking great compilation

still available?

i can zip up what i got a while back, and repost if thats not breaking any rules ?

[nb : its over 100Mb so YSI aint good. other options ? ]

this link still works...tags all cleaned up too: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/5450595340/never-mind-the-bullets-bob-seger-1966-1974-i

I was rocking Mongrel this weekend. People give me miles of shit when I say I like Seger. Fuckin tired of it.

meet different people

Met enough people tbh

srsly if seger let someone like light in the attic release this comp (or something similar), dude would have instant cred with a lot of people who have written him off.

Thanks to Myonga for putting this together. I DL'ed it awhile back and love the hell out of it. Get outta Denver, baby!

^^^ surely someone here has connections with LITA to push this excellent suggestion through ?

[i agree, if they can sort out a reissue by a bloke who pressed up a handful of copies of his debut lp then got abducted by aliens, then they should be able to get this one on the shelf]

however, from this thread and other places, it seems that the block on such a thing happening is bob himself who is in denial as to the excellence of his earlier material.

ok.
who here wrote the letter to mojo re bob getting some love from the magazine ?

lol i tweeted at light in the attic about this today, got this response: "That's awesome! Pretty sure those vaults are locked up damn tight..." wheels (not) in motion!

however, from this thread and other places, it seems that the block on such a thing happening is bob himself who is in denial as to the excellence of his earlier material.

― mark e, Monday, May 16, 2011 9:49 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark

i've also heard that he just has bad feelings from the many labels that ripped him off early in his career (no royalties and suchlike) and doesn't want to delve into the legal complications sorting out rights might entail. it may have nothing to do with his assessment of the early singles' quality. that said, this doesn't explain why mongrel and other such albums are out of print as well (even though he allowed CD reissues of these once upon a time).

But what legal issues would there be now? The biggest issue is that all his early Hideout singles were snapped up by Cameo-Parkway, and are now owned by Abkco. They let a few of the songs out on the Cameo box, and even licensed "Sock It To Me, Santa!" out to Little Steven for an Underground Garage X-mas album. Seger's first albums were on Capitol, whom he would return to in 75 and remain. He and Punch Andrews formed Palladium Records in '72, which released his next three albums. They were distributed by Reprise. I have heard WEA has been a stumbling block, but OTOH Capitol has officially reissued the first Palladium set (Smokin OP'S) and material from the last one (Seven) popped up on that Early Seger album.

I wonder how the folks at Capitol feel about this. One of their major artists--whose catalogue has been quite lucrative over the years--is sitting on 6 albums of material barely exploited in the digital realm. Given the proper attention, a reissue campaign of this stuff is about as close as you can get to a license to print money in these waning days of the industry.

And that's not counting the unreleased stuff. There was a piece on Seger's tour recently in Rolling Stone, and he mentioned that he'd been digging in his vault, finding numerous qualitiy unissued or incomplete tracks that he planned to tinker with (ala Springsteen's The Promise or the Stones new Exile... songs) and put on his upcoming album.

I wonder how the folks at Capitol feel about this. One of their major artists--whose catalogue has been quite lucrative over the years--is sitting on 6 albums of material barely exploited in the digital realm. Given the proper attention, a reissue campaign of this stuff is about as close as you can get to a license to print money in these waning days of the industry.

Capitols catalogue is currently owned by EMI isn't it ?
if so then there is a good chance that one of Cherry Reds reissue labels will have a chance to get those albums out as they seem to be scouring the Capitol/EMI archives for all sorts of decent stuff at the moment and releasing them via their multitude of sub-labels.
It seems that EMI have moved away from reissuing albums themselves, but give permission to others to do the hard work.
(isn't this the lucrative part of the current EMI business model ?)

i'm sure that if seger were so inclined he could get any legal roadblocks removed -- dude is pretty wealthy, i assume. so i don't know, maybe a groundswell of interest would lead him to think it wouldn't be a terrible idea. i mean, if mojo magazine suddenly calls out for their release he might pay attention?

I was thinking something more along the lines of the Beatles reissue series (which EMI--or I guess Apple--oversaw).

BTW, ICYDK Live Bullet & Nine Tonight are getting remastered, expanded & (in the case of the latter I assume) restored in August. Amazon's also hawking "Exclusive Remasters" of The Distance, Like A Rock & The Fire Inside.

I remember looking forward to Live Bullet and being disappointed when I finally had it in my mitts. Started good with "Nutbush" and then only above average rock with a couple more great moments and too much stuff like "Jody Girl" -- ick.

In some ways Live Bullet is most valuable as the only way you can get versions of the old stuff ("Lookin' Back" "Turn The Page") on legit cd. Seger comes off as super-charismatic on it.

If I had a back catalogue like the cd MVB sent out I would exploit the living hell out of it. That shit is incredible. "Like a Rock" and the risky business shit song suck. Yes I'm drunk.

the risky business shit song suck

Ha! It's Friday late afternoon-evening in the USA. Excellent!

I kind of want to hear the rest of Live Bullet because of how eerie "Turn The Page" always sounded: not much crowd noise, that perfectly-placed feedback, the road-weariness of Seger's voice exponentially transcending any cliches, and probably the least-pretentious use of a mellotron in popular music.

I haven't listened to it in years, but I seem to recall how distant the crowd sounded on all of Live Bullet. It's funny because during one of the songs Bob's banterin' about how there are a couple of tape machines in the back of the hall and if you cheer loud enough you just might hear yourself on an album, but when you actually hear the cheers they come off like a bunch of detail-less white noise compared to how clean the actual music was recorded. Maybe it's mixed weird or something?

I think a lot of engineers/artists wrestled with how much to mike the crowd on live albums. Live At Leeds had a single mike pointed at the audience, while Kiss' Alive likely had many more than that, and the crowd noise on Rush's All The World's A Stage nearly overwhelms the music. Bob had a relatively large group at that time, and miking the crowd might have meant the difference between 8- and 16-track, the latter of which would have cost a lot more.

Kiss Alive was goosed and rerecorded, wasn't it?

Eddie Kramer has said that the only live element on the record was the drums. But he's also said the only live element was Ace Frehley's guitar. Gene Simmons said some mistakes were fixed, but that the label didn't have the budget for them to substantially re-record large sections (which seems plausible, as Kiss hadn't sold much, and Casablanca was at death's door). Whatever was overdubbed, it seems the crowd noise was largely left alone (but still way huge in the mix).

man, that comp really took off, didn't it?

"back in 72" (the song) really rocks. been in my head all week.

So, I'm curious, last year a fan-made compilation of your early stuff, "Never Mind the Bullets, Here's Early Bob Seger" made it all the way to 111 on the Pazz and Jop poll that Village Voice does.
Wow.

And that was something that wasn't even released commercially, you know, beating out records by Tom Petty and stuff...
I didn't know that.

I was curious if you had any plans or ideas about maybe reissuing some of that early stuff. This was real early stuff, and I was wondering if you had any plans to put that out commercially.
Well, if you're talking the pre-Capitol stuff, I have no control over it. You remember the name Alan Klein? He owns that, and it's difficult to get with Mr. Klein :laughter:, so it's completely out of my hands. On the other hand, I have a lot of spare songs that I've done down through the years that I do want to see the light of day, and all the way back to the early '70s, and even some '60s, and like, for instance, I think on the Live Record, we put out one that I did at Pontiac's Silverdome, which was about eight months after "Live Bullet," and it was an Albert King song called "Feel Like Breakin Up Somebody's Home." And we used to do a lot of R & B back then, and there's another Albert King song that I can't find, "Don't Burn Down the Bridge, You Just might Wanna Come Back," and I have so much old stuff, and I do want it to see the light of day, someday.

http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/arts-a-entertainment/pop-noise/30989-bob-seger-interview-still-the-same-part-i

note that he doesn't say anything about the early capitol albums. i get the feeling he just wants them to go away. oh well.

*shakes fist* Alan Klein!

also that almost counts as Bob-props to Myonga, no? :D

Allen Klein: dead, and still pissing artists off.

can we dig him up just to shoot him in the face

this is kind of awesome, at least now he knows that we care.

I wish he had said "Omg this changes everything. I was going to record a new album but now I'm
going to dedicate my life to releasing all of my old material."

haha, "Wow" indeed.

& Allen Klein, so villainous! unknown to me bit from wiki re: him and jodorowsky!

Witnessing the commercial success of hard-core pornographic films, such as Deep Throat and The Devil In Miss Jones, which broke through to the mainstream, Klein saw similar potential in Pauline Réage's bestseller The Story Of O, but Jodorowsky walked out on the deal.

Ray Davies had a great line about Klein: "I never signed a piece of paper with Klein, but I'm sure he can pull one out of a drawer."

haha. it's funny, in that sam cooke bio from a few years back, klein comes across as this really passionate, devoted guy who has cooke's back at all times.

iirc, Christgau was pretty critical of Guralnick for essentially taking Klein's statements at face value. But Klein did get insane money for Cooke (and Bobby Darin) out of crooked record labels.

yeah i imagine klein was the lesser of two evils for dudes like cooke and darin. maybe guralnick got taken for a ride by klein, i don't know, but it was interesting to hear klein's side of the story for once.

a facebook friend of mine who's a veteran of the late 60s/early 70s detroit scene recently posted an "east side story" utube and commented that seger hates his old stuff and has never wanted it released. i find this credible, not only considering the source but seger's comments upthread feel evasive.

blaming allan klein is a convenient dodge. "the devil won't let me" not the first (or last time) a great musician fails to appreciate his own best work

I wonder if Seger even knows that Abkco finally reissued some of those songs?

a facebook friend of mine who's a veteran of the late 60s/early 70s detroit scene recently posted an "east side story" utube and commented that seger hates his old stuff and has never wanted it released. i find this credible, not only considering the source but seger's comments upthread feel evasive.

Except he still does "Heavy Music" in concert.

Also, if the Rolling fucking Stones can't even wrest control of their 60s catalog from Klein's cold, dead hands, I doubt Seger has much of a shot.

Except he still does "Heavy Music" in concert.

He didn't when I saw him in '07 - it was a straight Greatest Hits of the '70s and '80s show, with maybe three songs from Face the Promise thrown in.

i think klein has the pre-capitol singles, probably not those early LPs though no?

i think seger is dodging the question.

come on guys who needs bullshit like 'ramblin gamblin man' when we have 'like a rock'?

What not to do.

rock and roll never forgives.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/2df575b37804dc2a193737a338cb2dbe/tumblr_mgfuzk5fv81qg4f0do1_500.jpg

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/79-year-old-coma-bob-seger/

That's awesome.

Evie otm

http://grantland.com/features/bob-seger-detroit-week-career/

“Is ‘Night Moves,’ all things considered, your best song?” posits Costas, his usual sports-broadcaster cadence uneasily downshifted into a more casual, conversational tone reserved for serious rock talk.

“I don’t know, um,” replies Seger, age 46, his unnaturally dark hair and beard forming a quizzical question mark. “I don’t like to say this is better than that.”

No video here because this song isn’t online. Just imagine a very loud arena-rock song sung by a bearded Tina Turner.

“I don’t like to say this is better than that.”

Except, um, I don't want anyone to hear my early stuff.

his unnaturally dark hair and beard forming a quizzical question mark.

Pictures, please, I need to see this shapeshifting coiffure.

a quizzical question mark

http://kaipopunohuamst317.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/bob-seger-system-22.jpg

The Bob Seger System, live on Washington, DC TV in 1970:

"Ramblin' Gamblin' Man":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9PWRVXOvqc

"Lucifer":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpAP7MF-uxU

"Song for Rufus":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mny3k9oku6k

Now that's what I call A FIND!

Yeah, they popped up on my Facebook feed and my eyeballs basically melted.

Wahoooooooh

Absolutely mindblowing.

I posted this to fb, and my uncle commented that he saw the Bob Seger System in 1969...during an afternoon assembly at his high school.

How the fuck do you go back to class after witnessing something like that?

Somewhere Seger described being a poor kid going to high school with "rich kids"---they portrayed themselves that way, and they had cool cars etc.---and still doing that when he suddenly got his first local airplay/hits, becoming this novelty celebrity, and the in-crowd, who had left him in the dust, were suddenly scooping him up, to be their status symbol/good luck charm, their golden mascot, him instead of fuzzy dice, I guess---and he wanted it! Wanted the acceptance, anyway.

Think he was still mainly gigging, but some local airplay already.

I posted this to fb, and my uncle commented that he saw the Bob Seger System in 1969...during an afternoon assembly at his high school.

How the fuck do you go back to class after witnessing something like that?

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, February 2, 2015 10:38 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the answer is: you play hooky to smoke a cigarette in the parking lot across the street.

those videos are smokin btw.

Oh no, "those videos have been removed by the user"

god damn it Bob

well at least i can still watch that video for night moves starring joey from friends

i was smart and downloaded those videos before the inevitable take down.

arrrg fuck I wish I'd thought to download them.

Wonder if it was the tv station, or Allen Klein, or Seger himself. A friend of mine on Bob's suppression of his early shit said Bob probably doesn't want to hear "Man, you WERE so great 45 years ago!"