Coil s/d c/d etc

Search: Most everything else, but I happen to like early/mid 90's coil best: Love's Secret Domain, Stolen & Contaminated Songs, Black Light Distict, Worship the Glitch, Unnatural History 3.

Classic, obviously.

Destroy: Tainted Love (lasts for 3 hours and goths like it)

"where are you? no one has seen you in years" is a great line, and should be used more often...people who fall off the radar have been a romantic staple of pop for years of course, but this captures it well

Are they available as a domestic release in the U.S.?

can't believe i missed this for so long...coil are def one of my favorite bands, although i rarely think of them as such. love the early stuff, get iffy on the wax traxian phase, love love LOVE the last four-five years. if 1999/2000 hadn't been such overwhelming years for albums, both vols of musick to play in the dark would have been high placers in my top 10s.

Search: the twisted sound collages, the idiosyncratic approach to house, the chilly ambience.

Destroy: the crypto-sexual conspiracy theorizing, the gothic growling, the big gated eighties drum sounds.

Coil's disco steps and Ministry's distorted barre chords weaned a lot of listeners from industrial dance's cold and wizened teet. All the A students started sneaking out of the Wax Trax School of Spooky Chain Rattling.
Some fled to a more cheerful dance floor, while others turned to Am Rep and/or Earache for more guitar-based ugliness.

That being said, there are still plenty of clubs which function as industrio-gothic Greenfield Villages, and I'm sure they're very meaningful to their black-clad regulars.

this inspired me to check out the recent stuff & jesus christ it's good. i can't stop playing "batwings" (off musick... vol 2). it's going to take an age to listen to all the mp3s i've just downloaded (sometimes slsk just give you too much), but i'm loving it all so far.

It all makes sense when you see the video -- best cameo ever in that too, BTW.

Al was bending the brim of his cowboy hat, and Coil were putting on their boogie shoes, so second-string tin pounders like Meat Beat Manifesto and MC 900 Foot Jesus were left with the thankless task of recording hip hop records for white guys in black clothes.

You could have finished your routine by doing the robot with Kraftwerk. Those androids were burning up every dancefloor, cardboard or otherwise. It's no good trying to explain musical genres to dancing robots. They'll just stare blankly at you as they continue to shake their mechanical booties.

also i heard a track off "plastic spider thing" and it's fantastic, much to my surprise. i might have to check the rest of the album out.

yes, it is a bit oh dear. i'm sure i'll have gone off coil again in a few days, don't worry.

(I just said Oh Dear because I've had two days worth of gossip about Coil from two different people in the past week. Oh dear on all levels, really.)

Yeah, the four EPs were collected as 'Moon's Milk', which I recommend if you've got time to focus on them, as they move pretty slowly. I like to listen to them while I go to sleep, although there are extremely nutty and frightening tracks at the end and start of the two CDs, so if you're not asleep by them it's pretty fucked.

Other than that I only have 'ove's Secret Domain' which is awesome. I'm always loking for more Coil.

Has anyone heard that track they made featuring a guy's phone message whose boyfriend was a huge Coil fan and topped himself by jumping off a cliff? What's it called?

Also what's with them throwing half their releases off cliffs and things?

So, like, I've been entirely steeping myself in COIL these days, trying to catch up. I picked up the re-mastered Horse Rotorvator (though I had the Some Bizarre edition -- which the band has since renounced). I also picked up the Unnatural History II disc in order to finally hear the aborted tracks from Hellraiser (I really wanted them to be scarier, truthfully, but there's a lot of other great stuff on the disc). The stuff I was really looking for but couldn't seem to find, however, was Love's Secret Domain and Musick to Play in the Dark Vol.1. I'd looked all around the likely shops in NYC, but came up empty, and their official site (Threshold House) has closed the shop for now. Failing everything else, I went to eBay, and won a used copy of L's.S.D (at no great savings to me), figuring I'd never find it anywhere else. It hasn't arrived yet.

So, today, on a lark, I pop into Tower Records on Broadway looking for nothing in particular. Once upon a time (in the days of vinyl), if you were looking for a record and Tower didn't have it, there was a good chance that said record simply didn't exist. But, that was then. In the ensuing years, Tower has fallen into a decline that recalls the fall of the Roman Empire. They're a lost cause teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. But sure enough -- push me down the anal staircase! Their in the import section are more COIL releases than I've ever spotted in any locale...including Musick to Play in the Dark Vol.1 (which I instantly snapped up) and....rotorvate my damn horse...Love's Secret Domain...WRAPPED, PRISTINE AND FACTORY SEALED...unlike the used version I'm waiting to arrive in the mail, which -- for all I know -- may have been used as a coaster. I suck.

I really dig the first vol. of Unnatural History, some really strange sounds on there.

Only got it today, so haven't had a chance to listen to it (it's tough with a little person in the house....I've ripped it to my iPod, so shall listen intently to it soon enough).

I'm well into Musick to Play in the Dark 1, though I'm not wild about "The Dreamer is Still Asleep". Love's Secret Domain isn't what I expected at all, but I'm quite enjoying it. I love the title track and the two "Teenage Lightning" tracks. Been downloading some of their other stuff (and oof is there a lot of it). I agree with whomever said it above that much of it is just far too abstract (notably the stuff fom the COIL-ANS box), but none of it is dull, at the very least.

Secondly, the General Store at the Threshold House site is back open...czech it out! http://www.thresholdhouse.com/

http://www.brainwashed.com/common/images/covers/loci15_traycard.jpg

When I was a teenager and heard their version of Tainted Love it cracked me up completely. I thought it was the funniest thing. But my friend was able to take it seriously and said that the video led him to believe they were tying it into AIDS. I guess I was supposed to feel guilty at that point but even if I heard it today I think it would still have me chuckling. The sheer difference between the Soft Cell hoppy boppy pop song vs. the Coil slow trudge through molasses is something I still find funny.

http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/main.html

Look in the "music" section under videos.

REVIVE!

Franky, I'll disagree with Callum on their live work. I really like that period of their act. "Ostia" doesn't hold a candle to the original, but "Warning from the Sun", "I Don't Want to Be the One", and "Are You Shivering?" are classics.

However, that particular show most certainly does not reflect on their entire catalogue. The 2003 ATP show, 2004 in Paris, and 2001 in Moscow are all enthralling and totally different (but all have marimba, interestingly).

Search: Pretty much everything, if you are adventurous.
Destroy: Nothing, but approach Constant Shallowness Leads to Evil with EXTREME caution. Also, beginners should avoid anything that started with a run of less than 500 copies until sufficiently experienced... (And even that has exceptions.)

Destroy: Angelic Converstaion

this is SO wrong. i've only seen the film once, but the soundtrack is amazing, especially the judy dench bits.

'dark river' from love's secret domain is my favorite coil track
― Amon (eman)

^^^ this

can we talk about our favourite coil side projects? been listening to the black light district album alot recently, as well as the time machines album and worship the glitch.

black light district is incredible. the highlight for me is the track "red skeletons", gotta be one of the creepiest pieces of electronic music ever made

Has anyone heard Sleazy's new stuff?

(non-TG that is)

yes. the album is pretty great in parts. i saw him do it live a few weeks ago. it was so so and was accompanied by some very controversial film footage.

"being articulate, self-effacing, polite and so on - with some fantastic tunes under his belt - should not mean he can foist explicit footage married to lame notions of mystical altruism upon everyone without getting a pasting. it is irrelevant whether or not he made the footage himself or obtained it. even if i believe those "men" were "over 18", the context in which something passed off as a "charitable act" was presented - ie audiovisual lounge exotica vs An Evening with Les Dawson - was enough to make my stomach churn."

"i don't want to equate him with Gary Glitter by any stretch... and i'm not making any allegations over "legality"... and i love some of his productions dearly... but the context was disturbing me, along with the "knowing" sniggers from the audience. i maintain that if these "over 18"s were female, from any country in the world, Thailand or otherwise, there could well have been a national outrage following even minor exposure from a review in a shitty local rag like the List."

the hushed reverence and complicity of the audience present was the most interesting thing about the evening. the number of people taking photos of the screen was very strange, even those with SLRs who appeared to be press.

this was all a little too "comfortable" given the nature of the content, and the context under which it was presented. such is the man's influence and musical legacy that none dare challenge him aloud over the frankly ridiculous and misguided expressions of "hope" expressed during the first video. his demeanour was equally too disarming and magnanimous for any serious attempt to challenge him.

now i like some TG and Coil tracks enormously. sicker and more objectionable people have made better music, too. Sleazy is not shy about his "interests", for which i would commend him. i am also completely confident he has the intelligence to realise what is and what isn't acceptable in terms of legality and performance, especially in this country. he is clearly a consummate professional in many fields.

the overriding feeling i was left with, as noted above, was that i cannot for the life of me believe that anyone, anywhere, in any country would have easily accepted the same footage and sentiments transposed to a situation where a man of his age - or indeed a woman - would receive such an "easy ride" screening imagery of very young members of the opposite sex in public, under the banner of "art", dressed up in a partially "charitable" terms.

this all reminds me of William Bennett's recent talk at the CCA where he seemed to take an easy option by equally praising "non-Western" notions of "not having to answer questions once they are posed", rather being interested in "standing in the space that positing the question would create".

http://www.flickr.com/photos/biotron/3263652364/

the value of being shocking for the sake of being shocking is quite tired but occasionally valid, imho. it takes on a fairly different tone when some sort of loudhailer apology is superimposed upon proceedings.

can we search late period coil? i'm thinking post Love's Secret Domain. this is their best shit imo. of what i've heard search:

Black Light District - A Thousand Lights In A Darkened Room: deep electronic music, "red skeletons" is a lurching sickly dub beast and a total career highlight; balance's voice appearing on "green water" after 40 minutes or so of weirdness is revelatory

Time Machines: completely stunning old skool analog ambience; one of the best drone albums ever made imo

...And The Ambulance Died In His Arms: a live recording from the group's final performance. this was my introduction to coil, john balance's affable inter-song banter seemed totally incongruous to the darkness of the music. love the narrative in "A Slip In The Marylebone Road"

Musick To Play In The Dark 1 & 2: some of the greatest music ever created by man, need i say more

anyway, out of a fairly dense catalogue what else should i be paying attention to?

I remember eying Time Machines for a long time but never got it. I heard that the acoustics on that one are off the wall.

this is their best shit imo.

they were incredibly prolific in their late period but i don't think they were necessarily better. 'musick to play in the dark 1' is an absolute masterpiece although i think volume 2 is quite weak. of the later recordings, apart from those you mention, the solstice singles, compiled on cd as 'moons milk in four seasons' and the 'ape of naples' and the 'new backwards' (recorded way back but only latterly made available) are highly recommended. 'going up' from the 'ape of naples' reduces me to a quivering mess every time.

the 'foxtrot' benefit comp. contains, imo, one of the finest and most prophetic coil tracks and is key and essential.

for me, 'horse rotorvator' remains their finest moment. i think 'ostia' is one of the top 5 greatest recordings of all time. i have recently spent a lot of time re-listening to 'nightmare culture', their collaboration with boyd rice and am blown away all over again by it.

on reflection, everything they ever recorded is worth at least a cursory investigation and i continue to discover new riches. for me, the greatest 'band' that ever existed. my beatles.

the above post posted in a john balance state of intoxication.

r1o you should check out Live 3 and Live 4 if you haven't yet, they have some amazing moments on them. Also search the versions of "A.Y.O.R." and "Cold Cell" that were on those Russian-only compilations, they are soooo good and not available elsewhere.

Just got my preordered http://www.thedarkageoflove.com/ CD in the mail today!

thanks for the this immortal coil heads up.

there is also an exclusive alternative version of "a cold cell" called "a cold cell in bangkok" on this -

http://www.dominorecordco.com/uk/albums/09-09-08/optimo--sleepwalk/

yeah that's a good mix. interesting that you find Musick To Play In The Dark 2 to be weak compared to the first one, as for me there's not much in it. either one could be my favourite of the two depending on which one is currently playing.

there may be a bit more filler on 2 but i figured they were from the same recording sessions which might explain a slight discrepancy in quality. but "tiny golden books" is a monster, and "batwings" is my favourite john balance performance. and "ether"! one of the best Coil songs full stop. amazing record.

i'll definitely check out those two live records, i still regularly listen to ...And The Ambulance Died In His Arms. and the live videos on youtube are stunning.

fuck i can't really think of any other bands capable of releasing two of its best albums during its twilight years. they were pretty special.

can anyone recommend the album made with thighpaulsandra's mum on vocals? sounds intrsting

interesting that you find Musick To Play In The Dark 2 to be weak compared to the first one, as for me there's not much in it.

perhaps i was a tad harsh. i was DEFINITELY a tad drunk when i posted that. musick...1 just blew me away so much that 2 couldn't really live up to it to my ears. by anyone else's standards it is a mighty fine album but i just never really bonded with it. i completely agree that "tiny golden books" and "batwings" are fabulous though.

I love the Optimo Sleepwalk album.

And Time Machines is probably my most played Coil record, works really well at a range of different volumes. I've sometimes found that if it's on quietly in the background it seems to distort my perception even more than loud or on headphones. I'd appreciate if anyone knowledgeable could point me in the direction of anything similar that they've done.

There's been talk of a 2 CD version of Time Machines forever, but nothing's been confirmed yet. Nothing comparable in their discography, though.

Unless you're happy with the also-simple-tones-but-not-similar-at-all concept stuff on ANS - http://www.brainwashed.com/common/htdocs/discog/coilans.php?site=coil08

CoilANS is nice. I also remember liking Constant Shallowness Leads To Evil, but haven't heard it in a while.
My favorite Coil works remain Musick To Play In The Dark, both volumes, followed by Ape Of Naples, esp. for the final track.

I bought ANS thinking it would be similar and although I like it, it doesn't do it for me the way Time Machines does. It's probably due a re-listen though.

Maybe this is because I'm a fan, but er...

S: Scatology, Horse Rotorvator, Gold is the Metal, Unnatural History I-II-III, Love's Secret Domain, Stolen & Contaminated Songs, The Angelic Conversation, Born Again Pagans, Worship The Glitch, A Thousand Lights in a Darkened Room, Time Machines, Moon's Milk in Four Phases (+ bonus disc), Foxtrot (compilation, various artists), Astral Disaster (vinyl & CD versions), Musick to Play in the Dark I-II, The Remote Viewer (2 disc edition), Live 1-2-3-4, Selvaggina Go Back into the Woods, ANS box set, Black Antlers (original & remastered editions), And the Ambulance Died in his Arms, The Ape of Naples, Backwards (tape version), The New Backwards, Plastic Spider Thing, Songs of the Week, various tracks & remixes (Bill Laswell (Kala), Depeche Mode - Rush (unreleased Coil remix), Nine Inch Nails remixes on the two (different) Further Down The Spiral CDs and Broken/Fixed, etc - just about anything you can find = classic)

D because I'm not into the harsher screaming & noise: Transparent, Queens of the Circulating Library, Constant Shallowness Leads to Evil

And start saving $$$ for COLOUR SOUND OBLIVION, the (10?) DVD live box set that's coming up! (any year now!)

nice list but i was hoping we could talk specifically about post LSD coil. where can i hear the depeche mode remix?

http://www.imeem.com/defector/music/W18MIxkK/depeche-mode-rush-black-sun-mix/

Is pretty much all of the coil stuff from the 90s out of print? Every time I see used CDs by them lately they're $30 and up.

Ow baby!

http://thresholdhouse.greedbag.com/release/~colour-sound-oblivion-coils-offi/

Colour Sound Oblivion will consist of at least 12 dvds of all the Incarnations of Coil Live, with simultaneous Projection channels, plus at least 2 discs of alternate versions Projections with "karaoke" backing tracks and audio loops, which you can use to remake Coil Live in your own image. A minimum of 14 dvds, possibly more - the final total depends on the last bits of compiling being done by the end of the year.

Guess who is one of the 200 crazy Coil fans who preordered this :-)

bad link maybe? getting a 404.

not that I could afford this.

Ah. The linkifier has removed the slash at the end.

Try this link.

Dear StanM.
Yr the best.
-f

:-)

If you ever need someone to play coil karaoke with you just send me a message.

That Karaoke thing is the only worrying part, indeed.

I'm pretty sure yr supposed to sacrifice chickens into the mic and invite a demon to possess your body before beginning your growling. That and drugs.

COLOUR SOUND OBLIVION regular preorder to be initiated any minute now (more details are there as well)

http://www.thresholdhouse.com/arrivals.html

LOL

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Holy crap.

http://greedbag.com/mailout/~thresholdhousenews008/

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Suggestions:
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Search greedbag.com for mailout
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Ah. Needs that last / , like this link here

Sample video clips

http://badatsports.com/2010/off-topic-elijah-burgher/

tmi

interested to see that new vid for ostia tho...

that's awesome and I am going to listen to those songs tomorrow evening

I think these guys know all the secrets.

the word 'shaman' isn't used lightly, when it is used for members of Coil

Jhonn's gone, Peter's gone...but Danny Hyde's still around and um. To quote a friend on FB, "Danny Hyde used to be in COIL. Now he self-releases terrible music. But there is one saving grace: the MS Paint "artwork" for his releases is so terrible that it achieves outsider art brilliance."

The first album wasn't terrible, but everything is specifically constructed for people who like Coil - except there's no spark.

If you are wondering why artists generally don't and shouldn't personally reply to critics, the criticism Ned quoted has been personally replied to by the artist on the coil mailing list. Not a good idea. Handbags at dawn @ the coil mailing list again.

Aural Rage? Yikes.

Brainwashed is running a massive Coil Love's Secret Domain retrospective this week, including interviews with the surviving members who worked on LSD and about 10 different think-pieces on the album... worth a look for any fan I'd think

http://brainwashed.com

Ilxor, thanks for the heads-up!

I've sometimes found that if it's on quietly in the background it seems to distort my perception even more than loud or on headphones.

^^^ this. It truly is spooky how, err, visceral this album is, even at low volumes. Magick!!

Also, today I'm thinking "Batwings (A Liminal Hymn)" is my all time favorite song.

Love love love Coil so much.

Still can't get my head around it that they're both gone.

http://soundcloud.com/stlkr/coil-sara-dales-sensual

previously unreleased soundtrack by COIL commisioned for Basilisk Communications VHS Sara Dale's Sensual Massage. unearthed few years ago on COIL mailing list, this version is mixed into one track for better flow of music. enjoy this gem. and remember to say please and thank you for the things you never had.

Thank you for this, new Coil is always a great thing.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7790736/Nine_Inch_Nails_-_Uncoiled_%28MP3-Fixed%29

Just picked up Live One recently and it is so wonderful. They were really channeling something special on these nights, eh? Even more so than usual. "The Universe is a Haunted House" is incredible. £40 well spent. I can see this becoming one of my favourite CDs.

just last night, I was walking around outside in the dark while listening to "The Universe is a Haunted House". The perfect way to listen to that song.

holy shit musick to play in the dark 2 is pretty much* as good as the first one

*but maybe not quite. still amazing

it's a tough call, but the album with "Broccoli" wins, so Vol. 1 by a hair. Tiny Golden Books and Batwings are two of the best things ever, though (along with their Vol. 1 counterparts Red Birds and The Dreamer Is Still Asleep).

i love both but vol. 1 has more mindblowingly essential coil songs on it.

yeah the two albums match up really closely in song-style. on reflection and having heard both albums straight through tonight, 1 is clearly superior, but for the first 3 tracks of Vol 2 you can be forgiven for thinking it might be quite close

Vol 1 has 4 absolutely incredible, all-time-great tracks on it and is seared into my mind. the other two songs are merely 'superb'. one of the best albums of the last 20 years

I've been slow in catching this news, not even sure when it was originally posted...
http://brainwashed.com/bark/projects-coil.html

That is awesome news.

at long last

Very.

Would buy a box of the equinox/solstice singles, I guess they are just reissuing them separately though?

looks like it

yeah I somehow missed this news as well, mmmm outtakes

So, wait, I'm confused. Did these come out already? Or is there an upcoming release date listed on the site that I missed somehow?

i'd long been wondering if coil's music would ever be available again after they both died. delighted to hear it will be.

This has been announced on the mailing list in January 2013 but there's been no news since.

BTW, Time Machines 2 is rumored to be nearly ready at http://thresholdhouse.com/

I am surprised by this announcement as, to my knowledge, there have been a lot of disputes between surviving members of the inner Coil family about which label to work with and how best to carry the legacy forward into the present

Hence the lack of news since the initial announcement?

yeah, I'm wondering if the announcement is itself an attempt to assert some pre-emptive market claim / dominance thing

there have been some kinda suspicious cashgrab bootlegs emanating from other quarters, much to everybody's chagrin (not brainwashed, I hasten to add- jon wouldn't do that) and the whole trouble with it being posthumous is that it's hard to interpret what geff and sleazy would have wanted

I won't say more but this whole thing is painful

xpost

Well, yes, Brainwashed has the correspondence to prove that Sleazy wanted them to reissue material, but the executor of the will is someone else, officially. No idea if they're talking to each other or if there's an understanding/deal (e.g. reissuing previously released material by Brainwashed, issuing previously unreleased material by Thresholdhouse?)

I'm wondering if the announcement is itself an attempt to assert some pre-emptive market claim / dominance thing

it sure reads this way now that I take another look at it...

i hope there are vinyl reissues at some point too as all my coil records are fairly worn out and i don't really want them on cd. if they're not, it's something i'd love to do but it is no doubt a minefield not worth crossing to look into it.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/psychic-tv-coil-throbbing-gristle-rare-brass-cock-album-/251386186427?pt=UK_Music_Music_Memorabilia_LE&hash=item3a87c8cabb

Not my auction I should add.

Starting bid: £666.00

Indeed. And the base looks like its had some serious action.

"in used but good condition"

Time Machines II can be preordered on Threshold House, btw.

I'd like to know how much content there is on that USB before I pay £45 for it

http://coldspring.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/catablog/fullsize/csr193cd_600.jpg
CSR193CD (January 2013)

Coil / Nine Inch Nails | Recoiled

“Recoiled” is a rambunctious alchemy, of magikal Coil sensibilities and hi-tech home circa 90’s mixing technique, all fused in the cave-like early studios of Danny Hyde / Peter Christopherson. These were the unrestrained PRE- BIG studio- mix downs, of four songs which long time Coil admirer / collaborator Trent Reznor requested Coil to remix. Reznor sent over the original multi-tracks and DATs to Hyde / Christopherson, who independently mixed versions and then met to synch both creations, molding them into these master versions. ”Recoiled” includes a fuller, more opulent version of the track ‘Closer’, which eventually made it onto the opening credits to the movie “SE7EN”. These 5 lengthy compositions are pre-Ableton / laptop generation type priest song creations, with the use of baby alarms and numerous wires to create bespoke effects. These legendary tracks were always rumoured to exist and, only the due diligence of a dedicated NIN forum who hunted them down, are released/unleashed for your listening pleasure. 4 of the tracks were released on the download-only “Uncoiled”. A bonus, previously unheard track from the same sessions closes the album. Jhonn Balance is also manifest on this gilded constellation. Beautifully remastered for CD / vinyl. CD in digipak.

Barcode: 5060174956799

was just about to post that.

Um, what are priest songs?

yes, yes, "Breaking The Law" and "Painkiller", but what do they mean in that press text?

Who's running the Threshold House shop (at http://threshold.greedbag.com/) nowadays? Is it legit? I have to admit I'm pretty confused by the rights situation, especially after the Brainwashed announcement...

https://twitter.com/state51/status/420564589512638465/photo/1 -> TheArea51Conspiracy seem to be running/managing this shop, but legit/legal/deal/agreements re: who is going to rerelease what? No idea.

Weird. I would have expected somebody with at least a peripheral connection to Sleazy/Balance/Thighpaulsandra/somebody, but a tweet from the people who just run the Greedbag back-end?

I'd love for the Brainwashed reissues to become a reality, but I've long since learned to be skeptical about anything Coil-related, and those almost seem too good to be true... :(

Mainly I just want the opportunity to legally, ethically give someone money for Horse Rotorvator, really

Stevø, Pay Us What You Owe Us!

I missed the Brainwashed announcement, what did it say?

Brainwashed announcement: http://www.brainwashed.com/bark/projects-coil.html

xpost Speaking of whom : http://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/530094c1c131f351afa2a3a8

whoa @ that Discogs thing

can we get him to post here?

stevo pearce some bizzare ripoff royalties rights bootleg cursed rolex viagra cialis

cool web sight

http://somebizzare.com/

oh my god that is the ugliest website I've seen in ages, jesus christ my eyes

Whatever happened to Some Bizarre and Stevo?

http://www.timeless-shop.com/catid/john-balance-74.html

http://www.timeless-shop.com/catid/peter-christopherson-73.html

never saw this before, from the Six Organs Of Admittance website:

https://youtu.be/HAtMumJ3qfM

(interview from 2001)

Robin Rimbaud tweeted yesterday that Ian Johnstone, Balance's former partner, has passed away.

wow

Did anybody notice that there's a mess of Coil back catalogue and live recordings uploaded to Archive.org via Brainwashed (I think), tons of it, FLAC files, DVDs the lot and all for free at the moment, it's quite something.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Coil%22%20AND%20mediatype%3A%28audio%29

Nice, thx for the tip

excellent, thanks

Moon's Milk bonus disc in FLAC = classic

Holy crap

I have way too many of those on cd - not that I'm complaining though

xmas in July! I'm gonna try to dl as many of these as I can before this disappears. thanks!

I'm going to need a new hard drive! Over the past few hours, I've downloaded about 75% of the non-live stuff here, including albums I already have because I don't have FLACs of a lot of them. Can anyone tell me which (non-official) live albums here are good, in terms of quality of recording, etc? I'm not saying I don't have the patience or the obsession to sit here and dl them all and sort through them later, I'm just saying I don't have the time to do it right now.

I had forgotten how fucking amazing Black Antlers is. I remember speaking to Andrew L!les once and telling him Ape of Naples was my favorite Coil album, and him telling me he thought it was their worst. HA! I guess I just really love this period.

These must be posted in accordance with sleazy or balance's prior wishes, no? Some of them have been up since February

This was the article that alerted me to it.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/how_to_destroy_angels_for_free_coil

for completists: I don't think I've seen these in that archive:

Transparent (1984, reissued in 1997)
Gold is the Metal (1987 compilation, reissued in 1996)
Love's Secret Domain (2001 remaster)
Stolen and Contaminated Songs (1992)
How to Destroy Angels remixes & re-recordings(1992)
The Angelic Conversation (1994)
Philm 1 EP (1995)
Moon's Milk Summer Solstice EP (1998)
Time Machines (1998)
20' to 2000 - ELpH Zwölf (2000)
The New Backwards (2008)
Time Machines 2 (2014)

Also, get both versions of Astral Disaster: different versions of some tracks on vinyl and CD. Black Antlers vinyl has a bonus track too.

what a great way to spend 4th of July

Replace audio with movies in MaresNest's link for a couple of live videos (and converted dvds like ANS or Colour Sound Oblivion)

Also, there appear to be more Coil recordings on the site than are present at that link. I found the Summer and Winter Solstice EPs, Time Machines, and ELpH Zwolf by using the search bar

I guess this isn't happening anymore?

http://www.brainwashed.com/bark/projects-coil.html

still really enjoying some of these odds & ends, the rarities collections and the soundtracks and that 1999 Zwolf live show...

I guess this isn't happening anymore?

http://www.brainwashed.com/bark/projects-coil.html

― StanM

That page was recently updated + first 8 of the (30-odd planned) reissues here: http://www.forcedexposure.com/Labels/THRESHOLD.ARCHIVES.UK.html

The recent issue of Backwards seems to have passed here without comment. Unlike these new releases it seems to have been an unauthorized release by former auxiliary Coil member Danny Hyde.

there have been a few unauthorised vinyl reissues recently. this 4 x lp box being the most recent - http://www.discogs.com/Coil-Unnatural-History/release/7038853

I feel like I'm a pretty big Coil fan but I am unfamiliar with most of these singles that are getting reissued with bonus stuff. Which ones are worth getting?

well I'd say "all of then", but imo the essentials are:

Panic
Hellraiser
Wrong Eye/Scope

and maybe The Snow

then them

the anal staircase > hellraiser > the wheel > panic > the snow > wrong eye. but, even wrong eye rules.

i wonder what the masses of extra material on these releases is? something about it all doesn''t quite seem right.

Yeah, it seems strange - demos and such. Of course I know The Anal Staircase (which I love) and Panic (which I've never been fond of), but I agree something seems dubious about all this extra stuff.

My favorite era is the later / Black Antlers / Ape of Naples stuff, but I pretty much love most eras of Coil unreservedly.

So....who's gonna take one for the team and buy a few of these and report back?

I already did, expect an update soon :)

Excellent! I have the Threshold Archives page on Forced Exposure page bookmarked.

Who is in charge of the estate now, a relation? Brainwashed?

hey look finally some information:

http://www.factmag.com/2015/10/14/coils-reissues-through-threshold-archives/

Update, October 14: Former Coil associate Jon Whitney has confirmed that he is organising the releases.

The Archive also stresses upfront the impossibility of an “authorized” Coil release due to the deaths of both members (John Balance died in 2004, marking the end of the project), concluding that “without Balance and Sleaz, there is no official Coil release nor will there ever be again. Nothing that bears the word ‘Coil’ is authorized, official, or sanctioned by Coil as Coil has ceased to exist.” Despite that, the detail and dedication of these releases is worth the attention of any fan.

not sure what I think abt that

I believe there have been more updates to the link Stan posted as the revive, this does look legit:

http://www.brainwashed.com/bark/projects-coil.html

If Jon's involved I'm good with it -- he'd been doing all this work to try and get things organized. Maybe the subtext here is simply that there is no final way to dot i's and cross t's. I'm really wondering now if there simply wasn't any legal provision for the estates.

I'm ordering all of them, I can't not, I'm a completist :-)

i know little of coil, but i do have 'scatology' on vinyl (due to foetus production basically).

is that not regarded as part of their classic era catalogue as i rarely see it mentioned ?

Panic (which I've never been fond of),

panic is all about its wondrous b-side

and, scatology is definitely classic.

Picked up the Backwards reissue at the local shop (where I was frankly surprised to see it). So nice to have a proper release of the New Orleans versions of "A Cold Cell" and "Fire Of the Mind," and the second half of this thing (the half that sounds the most like The New Backwards) is pretty great. But I've always preferred strange / mysterious / beautiful Coil to angry / dark / evil Coil, and some of these are a little too abrasive for me; it may indeed be the bridge between LSD and MTPinD, and I can definitely hear that, but the more NIN-sounding stuff on here (which I realize is like saying "Oasis-sounding Beatles stuff") is decidedly not my favorite Coil material. Interested to hear other opinions.

i totally agree. the abrasive tracks on backwards are probably my least favourite things they ever did. indeed, their hook up with trent reznor didn't seem to bring out the best in them as i never really loved their NIN remixes either.

Weird uncanny beautiful coil is the coil I like. Faves are Musick... Dark, the Equinox/Solstice EPs, and the very last albums. I know there's stuff in that vein I'm missing (some of which I doubtless already downloaded from the archive dot org dump and haven't got to yet!)

^^^ agreed

This is why I watch any 2000s-era live Coil on YT : their use of sound and space and Jhonn B's voice in combination were untouchable in their final years.

tracklists now available:

http://www.discogs.com/label/910477-Threshold-Archives

oh, bloody hell! i'm going to have to buy my first cds in years and get 6 of these. i will also need to buy a cd player. before i splurge, does anyone know if they plan to do them on vinyl?

Just got all 8 CDs and the Cold Spring version of Backwards in the mail from Forced Exposure yesterday. A little disappointed with the extremely minimal packaging—they're just in sleeves, with no notes or even a tracklisting to speak of—but obviously the music is great. Love the "Pre-Original Chaostrophy," gorgeous.

obviously the music is the most important thing but it feels a little at odds with the whole coil ethos for these to be so spartan.

That is disappointing. All of them are like that? I guess they're pretty inexpensive, though I am sure you are like me in that you'd have gladly paid a few bucks extra for a nice booklet, maybe with some liner notes and period pics. The "no tracklisting" thing seems especially weird to me.

Sound samples: https://boomkat.com/labels/137507

OK this cover of "Meet Murder My Angel" is amazing, chalk one up for the 'Wrong Eye' CD

CDs are in cardboard sleeves with no inserts or any track info... the sleeves are glossy, color, and nicely printed. More thoughts later.

...aaaand they appear to no longer be available, jfc. The FE link above is empty.

hope Whitney just sold out of the first run and presses more ASAP

Gone from Discog,s too. They were all up there for $12 apiece

Again, I snooze and lose.

:(

gone from boomkat too.

lots of discussion on the Discogs page for Threshold Archives

amazon.com states it will have these for sale at $11.98 each on 13 November, accepting pre-orders. I ordered one today. Let's see.

http://www.discogs.com/reviews?page=1&label=Threshold+Archives

also the (very very) early version of "Tiny Wings" on the Panic disc is completely goddamn incredible

the extra untitled tracks on The Wheel disc are also really great, essential even

Shame to hear a few negative comments on the presentation and packaging, bearing in mind this quote from the archive page:

Thighpaulsandra has stated to me in an email from September 2015:
"If your releases are not perceived as ultimately desirable objects they will just be regarded on a par with all the bootlegs. I think the packaging and presentation needs to be of a standard that G&S would have approved of. I tried to ensure the books met their standards. I hope your CDs will do the same."
I hope so too...

despite reservations, i'm very much looking forward to my copies arriving (it was way cheaper to buy from forced exposure and ship to the uk than buy in the uk). i cannot wait to hear sleazy's take on "tainted love".

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171978391505

as per one of the Discogs reviews:

what a goddamn mess

these albums deserve a more long term commitment from a label that can keep them in print and available for years to come, this whole limited edition-sold out-jacked up secondary market cycle is shitty and exploitive and cynical. No diss to any individual consuemrs, it's great that people still love and listen to this music, but this short-term thinking, I dunno, I think this is a real disservice to Geff and Sleazy's legacy.

as for that ebay person: "pay your respects to the vultures", indeed

it's pathetic. as someone who runs a label, it really isn't rocket science to do this properly and with respect and love to coil's legacy and high standards.

Cosign on all of this. It's absurd that we are living in a time of labels like LITA, Numero, Dust To Digital and Soul Jazz (not to mention a time in which every idea Stephen fucking Stills ever had is available as a super deluxe 180 gram vinyl box set) and yet we can't get a decent Coil reissue campaign going. It boggles the mind that beautiful, deluxe retrospective LPs of everything from Native American private press music to the fucking Unwound discography can be had with a mouseclick, but Love's Secret Domain remains a "rare" release.

Anyone have any info on why these were "withdrawn," anyway? I still have all of them in my Amazon cart, and the release date there has not changed. Am I foolishly dreaming an impossible dream here?

unfortunately Jon Whitney has not made any new public statements as of yet, so everything is pure speculation and mystery at this point

lots of talk on the public FB Coil page as well...

Not about the withdrawal, but about the situation in general: my understanding is that there was a lot of bickering and infighting between rival parties and that there was a large enough group of them (surviving band members, ex-boyfriends, and superfans who saw themselves as archivists) that no clear majority with moral authority / followthrough emerged, and so the result is bitterness and mutual hostility and shady bootlegs and short term thinking. I saw some offers that were made to a consortium of those involved that could have solved this in a responsible way, and I heard about offers from reissue labels that wanted to do a one time, high priced box thing, and I think it all just collapsed because no one could agree about who had the right to do what, what figure was the right figure, what option was best. So this is where their legacy stands right now.

I have also seen some shocking posts from Chris and Cosey on Twitter alleging that Thighpaulsandra is selling off bits of Geff and Sleazy's archive on eBay (including priceless things such as the first letter Geff wrote to Sleazy as a teen) and if that is true it is really despicable- that should be archived properly by a library / museum. That is queer history. That is occult history. That is not some trinket with which to make a quick buck. Shame.

Someone made these inserts with more info - http://www.barringtonarts.com/Coil_CD_Inserts.rar

Meanwhile, I received an envelope from FE containing the invoice. The actual CDs are probably with customs now, I guess :-(

as I understand it, it is Danny Hyde who is selling off a lot of Coil archival material

the tune was space beyond otm

Meanwhile, I received an envelope from FE containing the invoice.

snap. am now expecting a hefty customs charge. :-(

I heard about offers from reissue labels that wanted to do a one time, high priced box thing

whatever happens next, i sincerely hope it's not this. there are lots of people out there hungry for coil vinyl, many of them too young to have ever purchased coil records before and it would be great to see their music available to those who don't have the funds to buy an elitist box set.

I agree, a more long term commitment to keeping individual albums in print will let people of all kinds discover the catalog, and it will let people who are more likely to want album x or y find out about them

a bourgeois collector object is likely to be bought by the very people who probably already own the albums on other formats anyway (such as myself- I have the albums on vinyl and on CD already), so it doesn't get the band any new fans and it might squelch efforts to bring the albums to the wider, newer audience they deserve

another archive.org find:

https://archive.org/details/CoilColourSoundOblivionDvd1516

this is like a lost this heat track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdkLJDJHFc

indeed it does. the highlight of the devastate to liberate comp.

update: http://brainwashed.com/bark/projects-coil.html

Thank you to everyone who has supported the launch of Threshold Archives. It is something to be proud of. It has made a lot of people very happy to have the beginnings of the project Peter began finally come to light after so many years. The first phase accomplished its goals: to establish it as a viable entity, to be affordable, available, to preserve the legacy, and work as a model to compensate contributors and survivors when bootleg practices and exploiters run rampant worldwide.

In order to continue, however, it is necessary to step away and let someone else take responsibility. The new custodian of Threshold Archives has the infrastructure to meet the requirements, manage accounting and royalties, and establish a trust dedicated to reaching agreements with various stakeholders fairly and ethically.

Brainwashed will only serve in a wholly unpaid advisory capacity from here on. The project is temporarily on hold while the details are being worked out. All apologies to those who have missed the first run but please be patient and try to resist temptation to pay scalpers and opportunists on the auction sites and trading sites.

Thank you again.

Good to know, but if this was Whitney's intention all along then he should have said so from the off.

The first phase accomplished its goals: to establish it as a viable entity, to be affordable, available

err

people were still managing to pick up complete sets of 8 as of yesterday, fwiw

as I see it he's saying that he doesn't want to deal with the repress and keeping them in print, so somebody else is gonna do it, like a real label. this is for the best imo.

agree that it probably could have been handled better and w/more communication (specifically, it would be nice to know if the Amazon pre-orders for Nov. 13th are still valid). But I can't imagine it'll take very long for these new releases to show up in some new form. I'd bet money it'll happen before the repress of England's Hidden Reverse ;)

no one is making anyone buy these from scalpers; and if you're looking for most of this stuff you can probably find it now illegally, so go for it; but jon should get a commendation for making an attempt to do this legitimately, and for setting it up for the future. i'm sorry if everyone didn't get in on the first cut of the pie but there will be another pie.

wow. sold the horse rotorvator masters three years back. fucking nightmare. I have a bunch of master tapes in the basement that eat up a lot of space and probably should be in better climate but better that they degrade under my watch than fall into indifferent hands

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coil-Horse-Rotorvator-Original-genuine-Ampex-multitrack-with-track-sheets-/251698767791?rmvSB=true

that is fucked up, I just can't fathom the thought process there

wait what? who sold those masters? and to whom?

I wonder who'll continue the Threshold Archives releases - I'm guessing it's Stevo :-)

I think it was Thighpaulsandra who sold all the stuff - here's the total listing of completed auctions of priceless stuff which will sit on shelves and someday vanish:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/thomas-053/m.html?_nkw&_armrs=1&_ipg&_from&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2046732.m1684

BUT I should say I don't actually know who thomas-53 is, it's just what I'm hearing online

well...

These tapes are genuine COIL, originally from Geff & Sleazy's personal archive.
A certificate of provenance, signed by Thighpaulsandra, will be included with these items.

I guess the seller could have bought it from him, but it seems unlikely.

I was under the impression it was Danny Hyde, but I could be wrong...

let's not, like, throw TPS under the bus just yet

seems positively hitlerian

he probably needed a new synth

Received the 8 CDs from Forced Exposure, not sure what to think yet. Very first impression? Nothing that's so unmissable that it blows the originally released versions out of the water? Maybe I'll change my mind after a couple of listens, don't know yet.

the very first track on The Angelic Conversation is "How To Destroy Angels" btw, not "Ascension/Enochian Calling/Angelic Stations" as it says on discogs

whaaat

are those different tracks on the orig CD? I'm very unfamiliar with that one

note also that the Anal Staircase CD accidentally has the regular LP mix instead of the 'Relentless" mix

sigh

xp: the original CD has Judi Dench reading sonnets by Shakespeare, this one is Dameless and has totally different track lengths
+ yep, The Anal Staircase is the LP mix but slightly longer (about 10 seconds)

right but have the three tracks you cited been *replaced* by HTDA, or were they simply retitled/reindexed versions of HTDA originally? i.e., have the CD's contents changed other than taking the recitation out?

(I am still waiting on my copy of this, I got it after the other seven)

I just compared them visually in some sound editing program and I stand corrected. They were originally made up from the same samples as HTDA and this one new long track does indeed look more like the first three tracks from the original TAC record with some bits in between. The track length (16:37, just like HTDA) and the sonic similarities were confusing. Apologies.

no, that's great, thanks for the detailed answer

So, since Amazon still has these up for pre-order for a 11/13 release date, I threw the dice and ordered three of them today. I expect to have the order canceled at some point, but who knows? Maybe Amazon got some of these before the "recall" or whatever it was and can actually ship them to arrive on time. I'm choosing to be cautiously optimistic. Maybe I should order all of them?

worth a try imo

got my Angelic Conversation disc yesterday (from Boomkat), so much more enjoyable w/o the spoken word parts

at some point I'm gonna try and write up some impressions, there are some real gems scattered about on these discs

really? I like the spoken word parts on that.

well sure, I don't dislike that version, but it's a totally different experience without them, like listening to an ambient record. lots of details that I had missed previously.

http://www.timeless-shop.com/prod/peter-christopherson-60th-anniversary-edition-2184,73.html

https://vimeo.com/145122049

A book of Sleazy photography

RIP Jhonn, ten long years without your voice.

Amazon order canceled. I expected that, I guess.

I still haven't got any Coil, should I wait a bit to see if any definitive reissues come out? I nearly bought Scatology a few times 8 years ago but I wasn't sure if it was the version approved by the band.

XP: 11 years. Not meaning to be a dick at all and pedants are evil scum... I was just reading the new edition of England's Hidden Reverse two days ago so it's fresh in my mind.

Robert: You know there are plenty of more recent Coil albums that are quite easy to get hold of I think. Remote Viewer isn't that highly rated but I think it's great late period Coil with Mike York's amazing Breton Pipes. Very psychedelic and drone-y. You can get an official DL of it from the Threshold House site for like four quid I think. It might not be the best but still a steal at that price.

And you can get a WAV DL of Love's Secret Domain from the same source! For a tenner! Moon's Milk for seven quid... I had no idea! I'm glad I looked now.

xps ELEVEN years

sorry Doran, I got delayed but the post was typed I promise ;)

I just got a copy of the Remote Viewer 2CD in the mail today, very psyched to listen as I don't think I've ever heard the 2nd disc

also, is that an advance copy of the book or is SAP actually mailing them out?!?

Ah, sorry, bit of an accidental humblebrag there, but I share a publisher with David Keenan so I got to see the new PDF ahead of time as I was recording a segment on Coil for BBC 6Music's Freakier Zone tomorrow night just yesterday, so wanted to do a bit of last minute cramming before the show. It's a shame I don't share the author's pugilistic abilities and enjoy the same high regard among the readers of The WIRE as well but you can't have it all. What I can say, judging by the electronic edition I've read, is it's going to be a fine tome - I won't say anything else as I think they're still sweating over what's going in that final proof that goes to print - but the reprint is long overdue, I'm sure you'll agree.

yep, definitely

Omfg cannot wait. Will there be an ebook as well as a print one?

No idea but I'll ask Strange Attractor's Arch Drude and report back next week.

Oh hey SPEAKING of Mr. Doran here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06phdz9

Starts around 13 minutes in.

And even MORE great news, given the mention of the EHR revision:

http://strangeattractor.co.uk/shoppe/englands-hidden-reverse/

Revised & expanded edition
456 pages, hardback/paperback, 216mm x 156mm
Fully illustrated in colour.

* Full colour throughout
* Two new chapters and a significant number of new images
* Cover by Mark Titchner

* Available December 2015 in three editions:

A standard, unlimited paperback edition will be available from all good booksellers priced £20.

* Special Edition
A5, Hardback on colour boards, 456pp
This includes FURFUR, a separate 120-page A5 zine with all new, exclusive interviews and imagery from more provocateurs of the EHR universe: including Alex Binnie, Antal Nemeth, Chris Carter, Colin Potter, Cosey Fanni Tutti, Drew McDowall, Gavin Semple, Ivan Pavlov, Jill Westwood, Jordi Valls, Matthew Levi Stevens, Paul Hurst and Christine Glover of Produktion, Robin Rimbaud and more TBC.

Furfur cover design by Elijah Burgher
Limited to 1000 copies

£40+ p&p ( £5 UK /£10 EU /£25 ROW )
* we apologise for the expensive ROW postage, but this is the best rate we can find

it would be even greater news if there was a cheaper upgrade option for those of us who have the first edition. ;-)

xp thanks!

Stir: well, there is the paperback as mentioned.

Amazon order canceled. I expected that, I guess.

― Wimmels, Friday, November 13, 2015 3:06 PM

Hmmm, mine (in the US, for 6 of the discs) has not. Still no shipping date, though.

i know, but i want to read the a separate 120-page A5 zine with all new, exclusive interviews and imagery from more provocateurs. i thought about it for about 30 seconds and then hit the paypal button anyway.

xp

Anybody see this?

www.amazon.com/Twilight-Language-Compendium-World-Coil/dp/0990970086/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447700399&sr=8-5&keywords=england%27s+hidden+reverse

I went through the exact same thing as stirmonster.

yeah, me too. + also thanks, Wimmels! (also on Amazon.co.uk for UK shipping etc)

what's the current state of play re: thighpaulsandra is the devil* btw

*best tunes, etc

just listened to mr. doran's 7 music coil show. most excellent listening and impeccable track choices! i couldn't agree more about the non inclusion of "restless day" on "scatology".

however, the perennial pedant in me has to point out that lady diana and prince charles got married in 1981 not 1984. i know this, not because i'm a royalist but as in my head their wedding is always associated with the release of flux of pink indian's "neu smell" ep which was released in the summer of '81.

Yeah I caught that myself. Slips, we all have 'em.

indeed we do!

Damn it!

In slightly less vexing news, EHR looks set to get an e-book edition at some point, so Kindle owners can celebrate.

Rumors about a possible next batch of release here, maybe a hoax, maybe not

http://www.discogs.com/reviews?page=1&label=Threshold+Archives

from that Discogs thread, no idea how legit this info is obvs:

bullmoose.com had all 10 listed and were taking pre-orders, but sent out an email today saying the label has cancelled
them...which I figured, but it was worth a shot....makes me wonder if those listed will actually be the next batch released...time will tell
this is what they had listed

Airborne Bells
CD
769791761223

Born Again Pagans
CD
769791761520

Nasa-Arab
CD
769791761421

Astral Disaster
2CD
769791763326

The New Orleans Backwards
2CD
769791763029

The Sound of Music
CD
769791761322

Untitled
CD
769791762022

Heartworms
CD
769791761629

The Restitution of Decayed Intelligence
CD
769791762329

I Don't Want to Be the One
CD
769791761926

This whole thing is getting ridiculous

If this is supposed to be funny, I'm not laughing

http://thequietus.com/articles/19485-danny-hyde-coil-backwards-interview

more bootlegs. i was in amsterdam at the weekend and spotted bootleg pressings of astral disaster, horse rotorvator, queens of circulating library and a double vinyl selvaggina, go back in the woods.

cough

https://archive.org/details/@love_exposure7?and[0]=coil

(those reissues, etc.)

o damn

Time Machines is getting a reissue

https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/music?mc_cid=366d28a32c&mc_eid=ea4c199572

not to mention this recently issued beauty which is currently in the mail headed to my house:

https://img.discogs.com/vxZM8as9hb230WJiVz-lk5pddT8=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-10774292-1504285204-6019.jpeg.jpg

https://www.discogs.com/Coil-A-Cold-Cell-In-Bangkok/release/10774292

(shout out to stirmonster)

I've ordered the Time Machines CD but not that 4 minute vinyl thing :(

BTW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKql4sX49s8

Wild to think that Dais Records are unleashing this on the world

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1706649906_10.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpTEc2XcAAhvkd.jpg:large

I'd like to buy the Time Machines record but I'm hoping that somewhere in the UK has it for sale. Postage from the US is a bit steep

but not that 4 minute vinyl thing

but, it's a lovely looking record. :-)

i'm fully aware it is a ridiculously short amount of music but i had had so many people ask me to do it that i succumbed. there is also the bonus that it looks like it will raise enough money to pay for sponsporing 20 vulnerable thai children for a year.

ok ok, it does look lovely and I did think about it :-)

Got the Time Machines remaster CD today, can't say I can hear that much or even any difference after a quick listen/compare (tried to look at the waveforms and the first track is about the same, second and third are a little bit quieter, third is a little louder and 10 seconds longer -> silence at the end) - but at the moment, I can't tell what they did. Maybe it's my ears, don't know

Mention of "vulnerable Thai children" made me think of this uncomfortable subject, which doesn't seem to have been aired much. I'm well aware that it opens a can of worms, but I think it should be at least acknowledged.

Last year Andrew McKenzie of the Hafler Trio wrote a blog post in which he made vague allegations of an unsavoury sort against Balance and Christopherson:

https://simply-superior.blogspot.com/2016/11/youre-dead-but-so-what.html

McKenzie seems like a serious and credible witness to me, but who knows?

it should be acknowledged, though i don't think anyone knows anything for sure and i certainly don't trust the word of mr. mackenzie who i once had the misfortune to book for a performance and who i found to be a deeply unpleasant, extremely narcissistic, untrustworthy individual.

but, even though it is just speculation, it is one of the reasons why i thought an organisation that helps thai children should be the recipient of all monies this record generates.

Stirmonster otm. I would never call Mackenzie "serious and credible" a witness. A short glance on his blog will show you this is not the case. Touch and Staalplaat need to be destroyed, he specifically asks people to take those labels down because of some personal vendetta, and his demeanor is querulant a lot of the time. He does not have substantial evidence to back up his claim.

I don't feel any need to defend Sleazy or Jhon, at all, but Mackenzie is scraping the barrel here, shrouded in "trust me, I knew these guys once" type indictments.

starting out your blog post with screenshots of 4chan is not the way to look very credible, imo

eh i've heard this same stuff for years and years. i believe it.

I've heard it too, but it never went any further than "it's been said for years and years" which is kind of the problem. Hafler as well: it's all "trust me, I know" instead of actually saying what he knows or saw or whatever.

he said he knew Sleazy would go to Thailand to have sex with young children.

how is that not "actually saying what he knows" ?

I think there's a noncommittal vagueness to repeatedly implying something and saying "I have been vocal about _this_" while alluding to Saville, etc. and posting 4chan screenshots, and not explicitly saying what you mean

there's an implication but not an accusation, and it all reads very much like gossip

actually "saying what he knows" would be "I know he went to Thailand and later moved there to have sex with..." and then an actual accusation

I mean if you just put Saville on there he could mean virtually anything

https://www.strandedrecords.com/products/coil-another-brown-world-baby-food-lp

Just picked this up, it’s fantastic

http://thequietus.com/articles/24398-dais-coil-reissues : Worship The Glitch & A Thousand Lights In A Darkened Room

wow, I wonder how they pulled that off?

bums me out so much that their catalog seems to be in legal limbo.

Coil member Drew McDowell supervised the remaster, maybe that helped?

https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/coil/products/elph-vs-coil-worship-the-glitch-cd-lp
https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/coil/products/coil-black-light-district-cd-lp

The Ape Of Naples, the final studio album, is available.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, December 2, 2005 12:14 PM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and it's the best thing they ever did! amazing.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:29 AM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it is amazing but it'll be a wee while before i could say it is the greatest thing they ever did.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:14 PM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's been a wee while, and StanM was right, it is (still) the best thing they ever did

I think that's actually me saying it's the best thing they ever did (which feels like a bit of an overstatement now, although it is definitely up there).

Ah, you're right, it was you! Sorry, misread that.

I'm still gonna have to go with MTPITD but Ape may have higher high points, granted

vol 1 or 2?

Both :)

If I had to choose, the one with "Broccoli"

MTPITD 1 FTW

For overall life impact / most revisited, forever Horse rotorvator.

I might go with MTPID2 just for Batwings.

Moving Batwings from vol. 2 to vol. 1 makes vol. 1 a perfect album and vol. 2 pretty inessential imo

the two Dais Records albums are out btw

Moving Batwings from vol. 2 to vol. 1 makes vol. 1 a perfect album and vol. 2 pretty inessential imo

OK listening to vol 1 + batwings today and I am inclined to agree.

I was prompted to listen to some Coil today by going back to a bunch of Vladimir Ivokovic mixes. This one in particular might be of interest to people on this thread:

https://www.mixesdb.com/w/2018-03-01_-_Vladimir_Ivkovic_-_Phonica_Mix_Series_46

The Xen track on here is incredible, but can't find any further info about it on Discogs, not even the Les Disques De La Mort label page. Know anything about it?

Anyway, great mix, thanks!

Drew McDowall doesn't seem to have his own thread on here but I chatted with the good man recently about some of his new favorites.

https://daily.bandcamp.com/2018/09/24/big-ups-drew-mcdowall/

The Xen track on here is incredible, but can't find any further info about it on Discogs, not even the Les Disques De La Mort label page. Know anything about it?

No, I did try poking around a bit, but couldn't find anything apart from it being in a few other mixes. Guessing it's still forthcoming? I agree it's awesome.

If you liked this mix then definitely check out others by Ivkovic, there are a load of great ones.

Being able to buy Coil CDs in HMV in a non descript Northern town (Warrington) is an odd thing but I picked up a copy of Worship the Glitch in there last Sunday. It feels right. I want them to seep into other people's lives and their waking lives the way they have mine. Feels right to be able to walk to my flat just minutes walk from the Mersey river, past the weird sports bar where the owner first played me early Tangerine Dream to listen to it. Feels like the sort of thing that'd make Geff and Sleazy happy.

aw, thanks for that post. I miss them.

happy solstice:

http://live-coil-archive.com/

A hell of a thing. Will be deep diving a bit more into that soon.

Ah this is great. Thanks !

Just in time for winter! Perfect.

A cursory look reveals no actual audio, though, just information, reviews and photos - or am I missing it?

Either way, this is great. Thank you!

the download links are at the bottom of every gig page

You know which release is among their most perfect material and slightly lacking exposure for new fans ? The Remote Viewer. The one with five tracks. It may have displaced The Ape, Horse and MtpitD1 as my definite favorite.

Also, random anecdote: one night once, I thought I saw a ghost by my open window as I was listening very attentively to A White Rainbow. Whatever optical illusion was at work made me talk to it, to see if I'd get any answer.

check out this one too, I always think it fits well with The Remote Viewer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_Milk_(In_Four_Phases)_Bonus_Disc

You know which release is among their most perfect material and slightly lacking exposure for new fans ? The Remote Viewer. The one with five tracks. It may have displaced The Ape, Horse and MtpitD1 as my definite favorite.

― Nabozo, Sunday, December 30, 2018 8:05 AM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Black Antlers fits the bill here too, I think

BTW, don't ignore the 'LCA Studio Coil Projects' section of the archive -- four collections of unreleased demos, with (according to them) no duplication with the bonus tracks from the reissues three years back.

thanks for pointing that out!

yep, that's the real meat here (at least, so far)

wowwww @ the full length version of 'Boy In A Suitcase' - still digging into these studio sessions, some incredible stuff here

uh

https://www.side-line.com/150-minutes-of-previously-unreleased-coil-recordings-on-swanyard-3lp-vinyl-and-2cd-set/

Spastiche (5:42)
Heaven’s 98 Horror mst (11:52)
Siminon Master Backwards (Swanyard demo) (6:28)
Jhon’s House Tune from GM Guide – Protection (5:36)
Spastiche (basic) (6:46)
AYOR Master (It’s in my Blood) (6:40)
Original Amber Rain (demo) (4:51)
Wur CLK Wir 1993 (2:05)
Crumb Tune (master) (6:00)
The March of Time (extra version) (8:56)
Spastiche – The Night’s alive (master) (5:34)
Kusnir Jazz (2:39)
Heavens Blade (John Balance vox demo) (7:25)
Wur CLK Wir 1998 mst vox (18:35)
The Test early mst (2:17)
AYOR (extra version) (4:29)
Elves (master) (6:35)
Heaven’s Blade (Inst) 1993 (8:24)
Melotron Song (amber rain demo) (2:51)
March of more Time (master) 1993 (6:27)
Crumb Tune (4:20)
Simon (extra long) (6:10)
Egyptian Basses 1993 (7:18)

Wow. I hope this isn't too limited, as I can't afford this at the moment!

looks like a regular release:

https://stormingthebase.bandcamp.com/merch/coil-swanyard-2cd-digipak

That will do.

Meantime, Thighpaulsandra is apparently continuing the Live series:

https://www.thighpaulsandra.co.uk/store/p193/COIL_LIVE_FIVE_%28Pre-order%29.html

Anyway I do think it's interesting how Hyde and McDowall are essentially reclaiming the mid 90's legacy in different ways. (The latter strictly via specific reissues, granted.)

Also, Hyde allegedly has *another* archival release coming, an expanded version of The Gay Man's Guide To Safer Sex tracks:

https://www.discogs.com/Coil-The-Gay-Mans-Guide-To-Safer-Sex-2/release/13504410

Per a note appended:

Hello everyone, just to reassure you, this is an official release, licensed from Danny Hyde, released with his blessing, with HQ files + a CD version for those who like it like that. We can't wait for this to come out, when we get a release date we'll let you know. Thanks ! Ed @ Musique Pour La Danse

Said label's site:

https://shop.mentalgroove.ch/

I'm not sure whether a new Coil release being "licensed from Danny Hyde" necessarily makes it official at this point. Who knows where the rights lie.

https://archive.org/details/JhonnToKlaus

Thought it was discussed upthread but no, at this point nothing is official that gets newly released or reissued. It’s all essentially a bootleg one way or another because there’s no central estate.

Exactly so, which is why I was surprised that you quoted that discogs note without comment.

*shrug* I just read it as authorized by Danny Hyde. Maybe he’s trying to leave Cold Spring behind.

In any event, that Gay Man's Guide release is now up for preorder:

https://shop.mentalgroove.ch/album/the-gay-mans-guide-to-safer-sex-2-ost

Man there really is a new flood on, here's another live 'authorized bootleg' via Soleilmoon:

https://www.soleilmoon.com/shop/coil-porto/

“Porto” is the only authorized bootleg live recording of a Coil live performance.
Coil performed on 21 June 2003 at the Casa da Música Festival in Porto, Portugal. Present on stage that night were Peter Christopherson, Ossian Brown and Thighpaulsandra. Jhonn Balance was not part of the lineup, possibly due to his drug and alcohol addictions. Because of his absence the music on this recording is entirely instrumental. The show was also notable for being Ossian’s last appearance with Coil.
This edition is manufactured and released in Portugal, and is distributed in North America by Soleilmoon. Royalties will be paid to the remaining artists involved in the concert.
Tracklist
1. Blue Rats (18:14)
2. Triple Sun (12:56)
3. Radio Westin (13:32)
4. Drip Drop (10:04)
5. The First Five Minutes After Death (11:24)

interesting, as far as I can recall that show has always been MP3-sourced (even the CDRs), wonder if this is an improvement

Another 8 Threshold Archive CDs

https://www.soleilmoon.com/shop/threshold-archives-series-2/

I can see Restitution of decayed intelligence, blue, and I think moons milk? No track listings though.

The CDs are pretty cheap but postage to the UK is more expensive than the discs so I’m going to hold off ordering for now

thanks for the heads up there, I really appreciate it

(guessing from L-R and top-bottom that these are Moon's Milk, Blue, Worship The Glitch, Protection, Foxtrot, Astral Disaster, Porto, and Restitution)

I had protection on repeat earlier this week before I heard about this, no idea what the cover art looked like, so if there is a whole calf related stuff I’m stoked

But stoked for everything really

*calf = cd of

whole calf seems highly coil-appropriate

yeah Protection is the grey cubist thing on the top right - that's the 10" but there's also a CD with different material

I thought the one 3rd from left on bottom was Porto but that's a separate release as Ned noted the other day, not sure what this one is

All kinda crazy clearing decks happening here.

3rd from the left on the bottom looks like the bonus disc from moons milk iirc

They were all individual paintings but it looks similar

https://www.discogs.com/Coil-Moons-Milk-In-Four-Phases-Bonus-Disc/release/190129

cool, that's some of my favorite work

thx for the info! (since the mailing list went to facebook i'm out of touch sometimes)

Don't understand why these aren't being sold separately, seems like a strange choice to bundle them like this

last time it was a hassle to track them all down, this is much easier (and cheaper)

maybe they made more this time? let's hope.

are the Threshold Archive series discs on the archive.org site? I know all the official stuff is there but haven't checked in a while

maybe they made more this time?

Given the bundles offered, seems like. Anyway placed my order for that and Porto this morning.

This all still seems a bit odd. Should they be getting profit from this? Educate me if I'm wrong. I thought the website said royalties went to surviving members. I'd love more Coil out there but this is just more bootlegs, right?

I mean, they say as much on the Soleilmoon listing:

These are NOT QUALITY CONTROLLED Coil products. They should not be regarded as such. Coil was Geff Rushton (John Balance) and Peter Christopherson (Sleazy). Without the two of them, there is no Coil and thus no official Coil product. Threshold Archives was begun by Peter Christopherson to empty the archives of unreleased material and make music easily affordable for fans. Do not spend large amounts for these items. While Peter collaborated on the tracklists, the artwork was never finalized, and Coil was much more than simply the music contained in the product. In Peter’s words, he expressed his desire for a “case solid enough to stand up on its own” for the set so there may or may not be a construction kit forthcoming. Peter’s share of the proceeds will once again be donated to the SET Foundation and as before, payments will be issued to other contributors and survivors.

Peter’s share of the proceeds will once again be donated to the SET Foundation and as before, payments will be issued to other contributors and survivors.

given that the discs are six bucks each, this seems reasonable, particularly when taken in the context of the "Product Description" as a whole.

xp!

love living 2 hours from Portland/Soleilmoon, the discs arrived today.

full tracklists are up now on Discogs, looks like some great extras (Journey To Avebury!):

https://www.discogs.com/label/910477-Threshold-Archives

oh and also catalog numbers 17-18 and 21-22 are missing, so there are probably some still to come, possibly doubles as noted in the Discogs comments

Nice -- looks like mine will arrive early next week, just got the initial delivery confirmation.

holy moly this 60-minute version of Mayhem Accelerator is certainly something to behold

And the new Threshold Archives and Porto now in hand. Oh frabjous day, etc.

"Heavens Blade (John Balance Vox Demo)" from Swanyard is superb, I'm skipping around on first listen but wow this is just great

it's nice that all of these recent archive releases are very tightly focused on specific eras/phases of the band

Yeah for a situation where it seems there's no coordination it generally worked out pretty well.

And yet another "official re-release" on the way:

https://www.oldeuropacafe.com/catalog/category/black-antlers-re-edition-.html

So strange to re-read this thread after all these years. The "little one" I mention in my posts is now a 15-year-old about to finish her freshman year of high school. Time flies.

Coil live 6th April 2003 – All Tomorrow’s Parties – Camber Sands, UK

Found in a box of old DV tapes, here's a video that Sleazy gave me permission to film from the side of the stage during their performance at ATP. Edit/sync by Mika Hallbäck Vuorenpää. https://t.co/XOb08UPVkA pic.twitter.com/63EjnxpaID

— Surgeon (@Tony_Surgeon) June 6, 2019

Thanks!

cool, two days after "...And The Ambulance Died In His Arms"

in other news, Swanyard has some high points but a LOT of track duplication. Disappointing overall, and probably should have been a single CD, but hey why not release everything even if it's multiple versions (some tracks are repeated three times).

"No really, THIS one is the variant!"

Oh cool, I was at that ATP performance. I mostly remember Balance repeatedly asking them to turn the volume up.

I was at that ATP and saw that performance.
I had no idea who Coil were at the time and couldn't decide if I was meant to find it funny or not.

I had somehow missed that there are two competing versions of the Black Light District reissue, the Infinite Fog version has a bonus track but the Dais version supposedly has better sound.

Thighpaulsandra has made another live show available, Copenhagen 2002 -- supposedly digital only, free download:

https://www.thighpaulsandra.co.uk/store/p199/COIL_LIVE_-_Copenhagen_2002.html

reissue of stolen and contaminated songs might have solved the problem of which coil record to get on lp for me - horse rotovator is just way too expensive

reissue of stolen and contaminated songs might have solved the problem of which coil record to get on lp for me - horse rotovator is just way too expensive

please allow me to say that one more time

stolen and contaminated songs is up there with their best. superior to LSD imo. my cd had disc rot so super happy to have it on vinyl now.

As usual with these reissues the most pressing question for me is who, if anyone, authorized it and who stands to benefit financially.

i presume danny hyde is authorising it though of course it is debateable whether he is morally able to do that. there is nobody / nothing to stop him though.

my cd had disc rot so super happy to have it on vinyl now.

me too, although I was able to rip it without issues. and yeah, it's a great one.

current commute CD is Queens Of The Circulating Library, it's been at least 15 years since I listened to it.

same here. must dig it out.

Another new release:

https://www.oldeuropacafe.com/catalog/category/prison-of-measured-time.html

i think we are now fully into completely ripping the piss territory.

yeah Hyde could just be making "new" tracks himself at this point

this is like outtakes from Swanyard, sad lol

tbf the Coil remix of Scorn he mentions was pretty great

The fact he refers to this music as "content" is already enough to turn stomachs.

Finally getting around to hearing Stolen & Contaminated Songs and it's great (and much better than the tumbleweeds blowing through this thread would suggest). The "Love's Secret Domain" demo uses the same vocal take (at least I am 95% sure it does), and there are few vocals elsewhere (though the answering machine message on "Who'll Fall" is chilling - does anyone know whose voice that is?). I've never been 100% clear about the division of labor in Coil, though I assume it's similar to a lot of sorta He's-the-DJ-I'm-The-Rapper type duos (ie Pet Shop Boys), and that Sleazy handles the lion's share of the production work. I'm sure there are people who know how it breaks down and who does what, but this is actually the first time I've thought about it.

One other observation after one listen: I think people forget how funny Coil can be. For example, see "Wrim Wram Wrom," whose tantalizingly inscrutable title appears to be inspired not by some esoteric Gnostic evocation but by the phonetic rendering of the synth sounds used on the track! That's my take, anyway.

Yes, it is wonderful. The answering machine message on "Who'll Fall" was from a good friend of theirs but I don't think they ever revealed exactly who it was.

Sleazy was responsible for the vast majority of the production work; in the earlier days i think probably 100%. Around the LSD era Balance was perhaps a bit more involved with the production work. And yes, Coil had so much humour, something that I feel passes some of their more po faced fans by completely.

looks like they took horse rotorvator off spotify

seems dais is reissuing musick to play in the dark vol. 1

https://www.facebook.com/daisrecords/photos/a.231357123577167/3235353896510793/?type=3&app=fbl

Makes sense since McDowell was still in the band then.

nice, I would like to own a legit (well, as legit as it can get) copy of this on vinyl

presale starts tomorrow 7am pacific 10am eastern

Presales on the label's website, do you think? I don't use the zuckronimicon.

yep I think that works

https://www.daisrecords.com/

Do they have a European partner to pre-order from to avoid stupid customs and postage costs?

live now - https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/coil

Oh cool they're doing CDs too. Thanks.

Also Norman Records

got the black vinyl and the circle t-shirt, stoked

The "moon" vinyl (200 copies) was sold out at 8:08

managed to get the "eclipse" version though (400 copies)

Been wanting this on vinyl for years. Very happy

wish i had known about Norman Records.

i often say i have worn out a record but in the case of this it is actually true. original copies go for crazy money but mine has been played so much it must be totally worthless now. excited to hear it without scratches.

With WAVs from Bleep as well.

yeah thanks for pointing out the norman option, kraudive!

there's also this https://coilofficial.bandcamp.com/music

"Official"

Indeed.

indeed. (haha, "other messages have been posted since you last looked") I still get caught by these remaster-rereleases if/when they sound better than the originals, mostly, but it's gotta stop *some* time.

Second pressing just announced - better hurry!

https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/frontpage/products/coil-musick-to-play-in-the-dark

And the reissues keep on coming:

https://coldspring.bandcamp.com/album/a-guide-for-beginners-the-voice-of-silver-a-guide-for-finishers-a-hair-of-gold-csr288cd

I actually really like these compilations (I got them back in the day), they give a good overview of the band's output for those (like me) who find a whole album's worth of Coil a bit much.

dammit - well ok then, it does seem to sound a bit better too :(

Had I missed any news about this? Thighpaulsandra is putting out a Coil book drawing on their 'art and archives':

https://www.timeless-shop.com/product/the-universe-is-a-haunted-house-coil-through-their-art-archives/

That seems exciting, if pricy

Also looks like Hyde has ANOTHER thing up:

https://infinitefog.bandcamp.com/album/sara-dales-sensual-massage

IFP presents a long-awaited complete version of “Sara Dale's Sensual Massage” OST with 8 exclusive and unheard tracks.
Sara Dale's Sensual Massage was a delightful erotic video with a mystic soundtrack by Coil. Quite unusual for the band dreamy ambient, almost spa-relaxed soft harmonies, bland tribal rhythms, chimes, and birdsong but still with dark mysterious and inimitable Coil musick's charm.
However, the second part of the album explores more rhythmic structures that remind 'Gay Man's Guide...' soundtrack.

Besides the OST recordings, the edition includes bonus tracks from the "Basilisk prod.'s" era: “Theme From Blue”, and grandiose "The Hills Are Alive" so badly wanted on vinyl.

Per the notes on the Discogs page:

Complete version of Coil's OST for the erotic video “Sara Dale's Sensual Massage” including 8 previously unreleased tracks and bonus tracks from the Themes For Derek Jarman's Blue era.
This material was previously partially released on Coil - The Sound Of Musick.

And if you ever wanted to see the thing itself:

https://archive.org/details/SaraDaleSensualMassage_Film

"Your order (Musick to Play in the Dark Vinyl Double LP) has been dispatched"

got mine, wearing the T-shirt as I type this, it sounds great. flawless vinyl.

Exactly 10 years to the day since Peter Christopherson's death btw.

thanks for that, I guess I know what I'm listening to today

10 years. Oh my! Forever missed.

My MTPITD is en route and when it arrives I will try to sell my original pressings of 1 & 2. i'll be very sad to see them go but the times demand it. Eff you Covid!

the pressing is a vast improvement over that World Serpent nonsense, FYI

good to hear.

This sounds wonderful on my new vinyl. Not sure I remember those deep drones on Broccoli before. There is a quality in Coil I don't hear in other bands and I think it's probably witchcraft. I may have had a drink.

No, it's witchcraft. ;)

anyone got a link to the original liner notes, which seem to have disappeared from the internet?

The art book just arrived and it's 1. massive + heavy 2. high quality 3. lots and lots and lots of content, some of which felt very personal (Sleazy replying to a fan letter from Geoff requesting to see a video of Sleazy getting pierced etc = I presume this would have been their very first meeting?)

I put it under our tree for myself :)

sleeve have you actually found it in the US yet? i don't love ordering from soleilmoon

I got mine directly from the link above through DEPAC

thanks, w/ shipping works out to the soleilmoon price, perfect.

so much creepy shit to navigate with the coil reissues--cold spring is obviously run by shitty people, and infinite fog reissued tony wakeford's dorky post punk band above the ruins.

it all sucks but they didn't have wills so here we are

new MTPITD pressings sound great, at least

i'm still waiting on mine but i think the dais version of time machines sounds fucking awesome

sleeve: what liner notes were you looking for 2 weeks ago? MTPITD doesn't have any? (my original CD has the track titles + A Chalice Recording / Graal CD002 on the back (the word Red in red, twice), then a multicolored ring on the inner artwork with john balance, thighpaulsandra, peter christopherson, drew mcdowall around it, and that's it for notes)

lyrics here http://www.brainwashed.com/common/htdocs/discog/graal002.php?site=coil08

Anyone else still waiting on their Dais order of MTPITD? I managed to snag a first edition but no sign of it yet

raises hand
Considering trans atlantic shipping and covid19, I'm waiting patiently..

xps StanM it's extremely frustrating, but they did write liner notes talking about the MTPITD songs specifically, and they used to be online. They were not included in the actual release.

Can you remember what website they were on? maybe check archive.org?

90% sure they used to be on the damn Brainwashed site! SO frustrating, I remember they described "Red Birds" as "99% Thighpaulsandra" for example. Just a paragraph or two about each song.

check pp. 207-209 of this pdf:

http://www.barringtonarts.com/GoldenAge_Bloodsports.pdf

from wiki:

"Jhonn Balance originally wished to create a cohesive set of liner notes for Musick to Play in the Dark, which ended up only being published on Coil's website at the time.[4]"

"In them, he outlined the meanings of songs: "Are You Shivering?" refers to MDMA trips he took part in with friends, where they "would ask if each other were shivering, as pure doses can make the teeth chatter and the eyesight vibrate", "Broccoli" is "about greens and ancestor worship", and "Strange Birds", built around a found quote, refers to a period when Jhonn "regressed to BIRD MIND and only squawked and chirruped for three worrying days".[4] He stated that Coil had begun creating "lunar consciousness musick", and were "letting in things we shut out before"; "The feminine. The tidal. The cyclical."[4]"

Yeah that's how I found it :) Note 4.

anagram that's it, thanks!

really wish those had been included w/ the reissue

print it off and slip it inside the, er, sleeve :)

drip some of your own blood onto it for your own personalized Coil reissue

ooooh, nice - thanks for the link and info

what the

https://imgur.com/a/Hg9oC7K

https://imgur.com/a/Hg9oC7K

definitely one for the "famous people you wouldn't expect to see together" thread

wiki says she did a TV commercial for the Bristol & West Building Society that he worked on, presumably that's the connection.

I'd guess he would have had interactions with the artists Hipgnosis worked with too? Don't know if there's any pics of him with UFO or the Scorpions or whoever though.
Never realised his dad had a knighthood btw! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derman_Christopherson

LSD!

https://infinitefog.bandcamp.com/album/loves-secret-domain-30th-anniversary-edition

was wondering when that was gonna happen

Just purchased. Thanks! Doesn't ship till May so that'll be a nice surprise after I've forgotten about it. My fourth favorite Coil after HR, MTPIND1, and AoN, but still a perfect record

Hmm, so I've heard that the Infinite Fog version there is not necessarily a 'real' reissue. (But what is real?)

In any event, Wax Trax have announced their own specific reissue for June:

https://www.facebook.com/WaxTraxRecords.Chicago/posts/2015838131886611

that makes... much more sense

Rather.

Check out this all-Coil two hour mix. I don't know if it's an introduction for newbies or a best of or what but I know what I like.

https://www.nts.live/shows/in-focus/episodes/in-focus-coil-31st-october-2020

My understanding is that MTPITD and Ape Of Naples are the fans' favourite albums but what would be the top tracks if there was a poll? I'm guessing Tainted Love would be up there.

I think Broccoli would be my fave.

the book is really quite amazing, but it's a bit frustrating that all the magazine articles reproduced are almost all at least partially obscured, I'm guessing to avoid copyright issues