Claire, I'm from the streets, so it's second nature for me to kick knowledge about the rap game, which, incidentally, is alot like the crack game. No, honestly, I've always been attracted to the genre's anti-authoritarian bent. Also, the sheer number of big booty freaks currently waiting for a brother such as myself to get his mack on old school. All of which is to say that we should all put the interests of the children first.
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Talib Kweli Some hip-hop is clearly destined to pass the test of time. by Nathan Rabin
― and what, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.therandommuse.com/photos/uncategorized/flava.jpg
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link
his back'n'forth on the simpsons movie was pathetic
― da croupier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Seriously.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link
sorry, the show not the movie.
Let's face it: It's much too late for The Simpsons to go out on top. But I like to think the show has gotten to the same comfy place that De La Soul occupies these days: They'll never reclaim the genius of their early, revolutionary work, but they're in a good groove, and they're still making relevant contributions to a pop-culture landscape littered with their acolytes and wannabes.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Can someone plz direct me to the pop-culture landscape littered with De La Soul acolytes and wannabes?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img9.mediabistro.net/blogs-mbtoolbox-original-nathan3-thumb.jpg Malice and Pusha T's deep, rich, resonant voices and authoritative delivery could probably make "Ice Ice Baby" sound gangsta.
― and what, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link
"I must concede that I don't want The Simpsons to end, partly for selfish reasons. When the last Simpsons airs, I'll feel like a big part of my childhood and adolescence has died with it. I'm not really ready to make that leap..."
― da croupier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe he just means rappers who still put skits on their albums.
I'm inclined to give Rabin a break just because he probably wrote some classic Onion articles. And if he wrote this, then he can at least be funny about his own Simpsons fanboyism:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39346
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Do the AV club writers have anything to do with the funny stuff? I had no reason to believe they did.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link
I dunno, I always just assumed that the AV Club was just an excuse for the people who write the Onion proper to write semi-serious pop culture crit, but I have no idea for sure since the Onion joke articles don't have bylines.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think its any more likely than Tom Breihan writing political OpEds for the Voice. I also have a hard time believing an actual comedy writer would say "I think you've set your standards way too high. You stopped watching regularly because the show wasn't 'consistently funny all the way through' any more? Good Lord, what show is consistently funny all the way through these days? Even Flight Of The Conchords, a show I love, is fairly inconsistent. Some shows are gut-bustingly hilarious. Others are moderately amusing. And Conchords just started out."
― da croupier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link
in rabin's non-defense he was also responsible for
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28251
― and what, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/God-Gives-Shout-Out-Jump-C.jpg
plus I've seen a lot of rock crit freelancers in AV club (Matos wrote something, right?) and I know they aren't doing Herbert T. Kornfeld shit on the sly.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
crazy Village Voice/The Onion comparison aside, you're probably right, just never really thought about it before.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
This is the impression I was under, too. There was an ad for an AV Club editor in the Chicago edition recently and it repeatedly emphasized that the job entailed absolutely no satirical writing.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
"God's the ultimate playa, so naturally He's going to have some haters," rapper Ice Cube said. "But these haters need to realize that if you mess with the man upstairs, you will get your ass smote. True dat."
― and what, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i have no problem believing that rabin does herbert kornfield
― and what, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
not enough Coup references
― da croupier, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link
1. Devin The Dude, Waiting To Inhale (10)
2. Lily Allen, Alright, Still (10)
3. Little Brother, The Getback (10)
4. R. Kelly, Double Up (10)
5. Ghostface Killah, The Big Doe Rehab (10)
6. Fountains Of Wayne, Traffic And Weather (10)
7. Brother Ali, The Undisputed Truth (10)
8. Amy Winehouse, Back To Black (10)
9. Talib Kweli, Eardrum (10)
10. T-Pain, Epiphany (10) tpain
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Common, Finding Forever
Median, Median's Relief
Evidence, Weatherman LP
Chrisette Michele, I Am
Big City, The City Never Sleeps
― and what, Saturday, 15 December 2007 22:03 (sixteen years ago) link
t pain is a little out of left field, altho i guess its just a continuation of his r kelly thing
― deej, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link
never noticed this -- awesome
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Thursday, 11 December 2008 08:37 (fifteen years ago) link
ha he voted for t-pain, that's pretty awesome
― you brought me home to this funky house (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 11 December 2008 08:41 (fifteen years ago) link
2008 saw the emergence of a brash new strain of hipster hop, as an exciting new crop of buppie rappers with indie-rock attitude and old-school swagger made a mark on a stagnant scene. It was a banner year for acts like The Knux, Kidz In The Hall, and especially The Cool Kids, a breakout duo that walked a fine line between charmingly brash and outright obnoxious. The Bake Sale is the most irresistible blast of muscular hip-hop minimalism this side of Clipse's Hell Hath No Fury, though the Chicago duo was less concerned with documenting the drug game than bringing back the spirit of '88. (Rabin)
^i even like cool kids to an extent but this is crazy pills
― you brought me home to this funky house (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 11 December 2008 08:43 (fifteen years ago) link
http://djdocrok.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/oh-snap.jpg
― deej da 5'9 (deej), Friday, 27 February 2009 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I see my friend's Wikipedia edit still stands:
July 2009 saw the release of Rabin's Scribner memoir "The Big Rewind: A Memoir Brought To You By Pop Culture"[4], a project that found its genesis partly in the enjoyment Rabin took in tending to and caring for his own Wikipedia entry.[5] The book uses pop culture as a springboard to discuss its author's tragi-comic adolescence as a guest of a mental hospital, a foster family whose patience and generosity he jokes "knew only strict, unyielding boundaries" and the Jewish Children's Bureau group home system as well as his career with The Onion and disastrous stint on "Movie Club With John Ridley". The book ends with a chapter about Rabin's unsuccessful audition to fill in for Roger Ebert as a guest critic on At The Movies. Scribner will also be publishing a book version of "My Year of Flops" in 2010. [6]
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link
wtf this is terrible news
― Then, it dawned on me: "I HAVE BEEN PLAYED!" (omar little), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
So apparently Nathan Rabin put out a call on Twitter for people to host readings by him in their homes. And a friend of mine volunteered. And so now Nathan Rabin is supposedly reading at her house. (I'm invited, but it's this Saturday and I've already got plans.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
GHOST TWITTER
― NAME (Lamp), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"Nathan Rabin is Reading at My House" doesn't really have the same ring to it
― whelping at his sandpapery best (DJP), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The Ghost of Nathan Rabin is Haunting My House (My House!)
― NAME (Lamp), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
im not making a joke btw im voicing a persistent complaint of mine
The Onion A/V Club is so wild. Like I'm sure even people like Ann Powers and Rob Harvilla and Maura Johnston and probably anyone this side of SF/J couldn't possibly get as many eyes on their writing as the A/V Club stuff gets. Like the big "important" Fennessey/Nitsuh/Keleffah articles we pass around here dont have a fraction of the comments/eyes they have on some of the most basic listicle ish
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
the question is, do bay area gangster rapper dudes know about the onion a/v club...
― who is john nult? (dayo), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
their music writing is inessential but the interviews are great
― adult music person (Jordan), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
the question is, are dayo's lazy zings funny to anyone but him
― timbo slice (D-40), Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
& the answer is no
yeah i was gonna say they put out a pretty good amount of music content but the overwhelming majority (and where most of the hits come from) is more general pop culture stuff, and it's seemed like album reviews have taken up a smaller and smaller amount of real estate on the front page over the last couple years. xpost
― some dude, Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
im not at all surprised they have such a huge readership, absent allmusic guide they were p much the only critical writing i used to see around
― timbo slice (D-40), Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The A/V Club's comments section is the absolute dregs
― Number None, Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
^^ yes (i mean, first! (i mean, canceraids!))
i like to imagine Nathan Rabin someday finding this thread, coinciding with Ethan's return to ILM
― some dude, Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Like the big "important" Fennessey/Nitsuh/Keleffah articles we pass around here dont have a fraction of the comments/eyes they have on some of the most basic listicle ish
I detected a distinct AV Club influence in Pitchfork's unedited LCD Soundsystem data dump this week.
― da croupier, Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Though I'd assume people are coming for the comment-box afterparty in the AV Club rather than the blather above it
― da croupier, Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
AV Club articles are getting to be like the SEMINARS at a gathering of the juggalos nowadays
― da croupier, Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
the aesthetic range on offer in their CURRENT REVIEWS section is p "..."
i had no idea that the a/v club was a big thing... weird.
― NAME (Lamp), Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
there does need to be some kind of juggalo-like term for people whose defining trait is knowing every line of dialogue ever spoken by Milhouse Van Houten (xpost)
― dayo technology (some dude), Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha OTM.
― jaymc, Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:16 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
that's otm
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 31 March 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Rabin's interview with Ghostface was one of the most hilarious disastsers I have ever seen. iirc it went mostly like this
Onion AV Club: so what are some of your favorite old soul artistsGhost: [silence]
― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 31 March 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
THRILLHO
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 31 March 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahaha
― dayo technology (some dude), Thursday, 31 March 2011 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
AVC: What do you think is the biggest problem with hip-hop today?
GK: A lack of originality, that's it. Everybody's coming out the same.
AVC: Do you think that's changing? Is there anyone coming along right now that you're excited about?
GK: No, fuck hip-hop. I ain't feeling that shit right now. I don't even listen to hip-hop. I just do this shit because I gotta feed my family.
AVC: What do you listen to?
GK: I listen to shit. I listen to old music, man.
AVC: Like soul music?
GK: Yeah, soul music.
AVC: Who are some of your favorite soul artists?
GK: [No answer.]
― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 31 March 2011 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Ugh, Nathan Rabin.
Pretty sure that dude edits his own Wikipedia page.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
You know, I think what the AV Club has been good at catering to is an audience of middlebrow pop-culture fans whose sensibility coalesced in the 1990s (around the period when the Onion itself seemed mega-smart and amazing) -- they've really stuck with that audience and sensibility, so I'm never surprised by the size of the readership. I don't mean it as an insult when I say it has that precise thirtysomething mildly-geeky thing down, like married guys in big-city suburbs in their offices IMing each other about Pixar movies and the Flaming Lips. The same audience as the Independent Film Channel, which currently runs loads of 90s sketch comedy, Portlandia, and the Onion's news show. (I say "guys" because there's something very 90s college guy about it.) It's like if Richard Roeper / Ben Mankeiwicz types, Stiller/Garafalo types, Nick Hornby, and a few Pitchfork types all rolled together into one thing, sensibility-wise, and attracted America's soon-to-be equivalent of 50 Quid Man.
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Thursday, 31 March 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
oh those poor dears, they'll live and die never knowing about the avalanches
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah IFC's been very shrewd about buying up basically every TV show that had anything to do with Judd Apatow from 1992 to 2002 and rerunning those around the clock
― dayo technology (some dude), Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh just about everything rabin does is awful, hip-hop or no
he's going thru every simpsons episode, writes three humorless paragraphs of summary offering no insight
he's going thru every now! that's what i call music (american) cd and it's shit, not as bad as the new "this was pop" (i think) feature tho
not sure why he has the biggest profile of the avc writers
― zachlyon, Saturday, 2 April 2011 09:10 (thirteen years ago) link
he is the textbook definition of "monkeycheese"
― Slag, Saturday, 2 April 2011 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link
My Year of Flops rules pretty much across the board.
Yes the comment section is abysmal, but which comment section isn't? If I had a blog or newspaper or something, very first thing I would do is shut off comments. Who cares what some anonymous fuck thinks about an article.
(love ilx tho, but this is a message board, totally different)
― filthy dylan, Saturday, 2 April 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh and the music reviews are definitely bad, but I sort of prefer them tacitly admitting "hey we're kind of boring and probably going to be way into the next National album" instead of Pitchfork pretending like they're ahead of the curve or something when really they are just psyched on the new National album. I do like the film reviews which seem to be pretty generic and fair and usually helpful.
― filthy dylan, Saturday, 2 April 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
AV Club's music arm has always felt like an afterthought compared to the film/TV stuff. The writing's average at best and their tastes make NPR look cutting-edge.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Saturday, 2 April 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
just reading his piece on julia phillips http://www.avclub.com/articles/silly-lil-show-biz-book-club-3-is-julia-phillips-h,9397/. he strikes me as having some seriously unpleasant issues with women.
― i'm not a lawyer, but i play one on a messageboard (stevie), Monday, 1 August 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
That last Nabisco post is so OTM.
― jaymc, Monday, 1 August 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
definitely. i'm impressed that they've managed to make it work, financially. but it feels hermetic in a not-very-healthy way.
― i'm not a lawyer, but i play one on a messageboard (stevie), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 07:12 (twelve years ago) link
That last Nabisco post is so OTM.― jaymc, Monday, August 1, 2011 7:09 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― jaymc, Monday, August 1, 2011 7:09 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I know. I kind of what to start a thread of like "100 things in every Onion A/V Club commenter's home"
1. Muppets box set
― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
2. Hipster Puppies book
― Dave Zuul (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
(sorry)
3. Nathan Rabin - The Big Rewind: A Memoir Brought To You By Pop Culture
Just kidding. Nobody bought this.
― Number None, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
err, I did (kindle edition, even) and I recognize myself way too much in Nabisco's description :-(
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 5 August 2011 08:17 (twelve years ago) link
I wouldn't frowny-face about that -- I'm guessing a lot of why the description rings true is that I'm basically describing friends of mine after college!
― ንፁህ አበበ (nabisco), Friday, 5 August 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
am i being super contrarian to think that its really not a big deal that dude wants to write about his experiences w/ 90s rap & that this is a little of an overreaction?
http://100hundredthousandmillion.tumblr.com/post/24214720622/boy-the-earth-used-to-talk-to
i know this is somewhat ironic considering how i arrived @ this board by arguing w/ a personal list ned made, but the fact is you'd only want to read nathan rabin's rap thoughts if you're already in the cult of nathan rabin's writing, anyway.
i also have a problem w/ the way race is used here, as if there aren't plenty of black ppl who are like "hip hop died in 1999" as well. whiteness comes into play more imo in trying to make objective, state-of-the-art claims that argue about the accuracy of your vision of history over others, less so in the simple fact of speaking to your tastes
not that rabin's piece doesn't have some wince-worthy lines about being white or w/e but, idk, maybe im getting old but i feel more like a live & let live sort of thing -- like, i feel like we already 'won' the battle & mainstream & street oriented rap is considered worthy of coverage, to the extent that rabin felt the need to come at this from a pretty clearly personal angle
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, 2 June 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
no shots at rabin, but between MCA dying and Ween breaking up, I'm really enormously burnt on reading white dudes' experiences with everything right now.
― rock the swagon and g.o.a.t. it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 2 June 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah..."lol white ppl" is Tumblr's favorite "I get to opt out of unpacking what I disagree with" trope these days. which is kinda cool with me insofar as you really can't have too much of white ppl being made more aware of how their privilege informs their thoughts/opinions/tastes, but less cool with me in how I think it gets used a lot, i.e., by other white ppl looking to score playground points
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 2 June 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
^^^yeah very true
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, 2 June 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, when I read that my first thought was that that general worldview isn't unique to white 30-something dudes (although many of the specifics of Rabin's are), but I agree with most of the rest of what the author of that post has to say.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 2 June 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
the picture and first graf are classic tho
― rock the swagon and g.o.a.t. it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 2 June 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
it still amazes me that a thread titled "[semi-prominent music critic who doesn't post on ilx and is very much alive] RIP 1968-2007" has not produced the slightest bit of controversy, confusion or response from outside ilx in 5 years
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Saturday, 2 June 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
other than the handful of confused initial responses itt, i mean
fwiw im obv much more sympathetic to alex's worldview when it comes to rap shit, i guess nathan just struck me as being completely predictable & maybe i should be more upset that his worldview is so 'normalized' but i feel like his perspective isn't really thought of as 'cool' so it doesn't have the weight it may have at one time. i mean, he even has to frame it as, 'so, i guess i'm completely missing the boat on everything that began after a decade ago, but....'
i guess it also seems like there are more pressing issues around rap discourse right now that strike me, although i'd have to think a bit about how to articulate what they are more specifically.
- definitely something about how daily blogging/filtering of massive amounts of content & rapid deadlines has made it hard to spend time really speaking to the shape of rap & spending time w/ music
- i know a lot of rap industry types are mad at 'hipster press' whereas ive been mad with both 'hipster press' & 'rap press' but find that hipster press has at least not abandoned criticism that is a little more nuanced than 'we are against this'/'we are in favor of this.' the rap press's uncritical 2chainz boosting vs. completely unconsidered lil b hating, for example. there's so much to talk about & unpack in this conversation b/c things are so much more complicated than the dichotomy suggests, tho -- cool chasing is something that happens on both sides.
- something about the authenticity chase, b/c for critics & readers, white & black, hip, otherwise, it really is about chasing authenticity of coverage -- people want to know that what they're reading about is 'real hip hop,' and that means for many white writers, for example, following noz's arguments & just basing your ability to drive conversation on a tremendous knowledge base. i feel like at some level, this must have a distorting effect; basically, imo, there aren't enough voices in the conversation, and a few random critics at the top end up driving discussions, because ppl look to those who speak authoritatively and many people are afraid to speak authoritatively about their experiences with rap, preferring it be left 'to the pros'
idk i need to work on articulating these ideas better
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
There might be a lot more value— more entertainment value, but also more actual enriching-the-critical discourse value— to a multipart series in which Nathan Rabin forces himself to strap up and listen to all the lauded post-’90s rap records he can’t get into
i think this is probably the thing i disagree with the most lol. i would rather not read nathan rabin do this. i mean, a lot of this is rhetorical since he hasn't written anything yet. & maybe i don't want to read anything he writes, or maybe he'll have something interesting to say about nice & smooth. i dunno! but, i feel like knowing his writing, an attempt to write about post-90s rap he can't get into would probably not be very good or interesting
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
idk it turned out pretty well when we did it with l0u1s jagg3r
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
lol touche
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
i do find the premise of the rabin thing to be self serving in a really egotistical way
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
I just realized I've been conflating Rabin and Patrin for years even though I've met the latter on multiple occasions.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
well, dude's made his life writing about this stuff & has a bigger readership than you or i, why would i begrudge him writing something about what he cares about? i mean, im all in favor of making fun of it esp if it includes painfully un-self-aware clunkers like "Though I was and remain painfully white," ("We're so lame!" /homer voice) but the idea itself is only self serving if you dont realize that he's 'earned it,' to the extent that he's built a big audience that apparently cares what he thinks about rap music.
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
xp to jordan
yeah i get that -- it's no different than a memoir in that respect -- still kinda puts me off tho
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:17 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
$10 says rabin wrote the entire thing as an excuse to use the headline "hip-hop and you do stop"
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
i mean the thing abt the internet is that his piece isn't really taking up oxygen that could go somewhere else. if you can write & attract an audience, you can write & attract an audience. I mean, sure, the onion av club is paying him, but i think that w/ the onion av club, the audience & the writer at this point are in a fairly balanced symbiotic relationship -- no one on ilx could just get hired by the av club one day & present a project like this. he's got a loyal readership
now, if everyone starts linking to it all over or calling it the defining hip hop writing of a generation, thats something else
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
I've got my first piece of biographical writing ever coming out this month and I'm thinking of pulling the plug on it entirely just because the world doesnt need any more "white dude has life changed by rap" essays
― rock the swagon and g.o.a.t. it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
^^^^this is stupid!!
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i guess i can't get past my own biases in terms of viewing this thru the prism "he's got the audience, he earned it!" -- objectively that's right, but my eyes are still doing backflips in my head right now
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
i guess i'm put off by the fact that he's so willingly preaching to the choir -- i guess this is his wheelhouse subject but idk it's just feels very unchallenging from both the writer's and audience's perspective -- maybe that's bullshit tho
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
an attempt to write about post-90s rap he can't get into would probably not be very good or interesting
I stopped reading it after a while, but he had a series a while back where he intentionally tried to get into country, and there was some interest in seeing a total neophyte discover and appreciate a new genre. Obv that isn't the same thing since there is rap he likes, and iirc the AVclub also did a series where he (i think) listened to all the Now That's What I Call Music comps and that was often condescending and stupid.
― rob, Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
― rock the swagon and g.o.a.t. it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, June 2, 2012 3:29 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, June 2, 2012 3:30 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
to clarify, whether the writing is good or bad or illuminates the subject for readers is what matters. if you find you're talking to a white reading audience then it might be a bad idea, like, 'as a white guy, this is what i got out of it...' but if you're trying to shed new light on an artist through personal experience that's completely valid & valuable
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
whiney does have a point though that MCA's death kind of opened the floodgates for that stuff. i mean obviously beasties deserve their place in history and you can't take anything away from them but a huge % of remembrances about them are basically "they opened my eyes to a whole genre of music [that i have not explored much further beyond them]"
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
thankfully i've missed everyone talking about how ween changed their lives
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
its also pretty appallingly written
― Sisig Steve (stevie), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Genre exploration often seems to be defined by the dumbest motherfuckers out there. How many people have had their view of metal permanently shaped by Chuck fucking Klosterman, after all? Also, Rabin's attempt to explore country was if possible even worse than the intro to this hip-hop thing. He got fixated on novelty acts and one-hit wonders, skipped over some towering figures in the genre, and the last few entries were about as phoned-in as it was possible to be without just being a bunch of Wikipedia block-quotes and YouTube embeds. (And there were a shit-ton of YouTube embeds.)
― 誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:37 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I still think we should talk about this. The Onion A/V Club has probably the biggest audience for "music writing" outside of SFJ and their pieces never really "rank" in our circles
― rock the swagon and g.o.a.t. it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
I’m guessing the AV Club’s editors wouldn’t green-light a series “exploring” how rock’s best years are behind it,
Hahahahahaha oh boy
― Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
doesn't AV Club publish way less music content than they used to? album reviews used to be as frequent as movie reviews, now they seem much more sporadic and perhaps even less varied. maybe even fewer musician interviews and music-themed features, although not as big a difference as w/ reviews.
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Saturday, 2 June 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
Yes now they are about writing 2,000 word essays about every single episode of BJ & The Bear.
― Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Saturday, 2 June 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
i couldn't get past the first paragraph of this so i don't have much to say (lol i do but i shouldn't), i'm just bothered that p much every hip hop article/review on AVC is written by rabin, he's basically their de facto hip hop writer, but he apparently doesn't like it anymore. and i've had way too many conversations w white doods talking about how hip hop used to be so 'important' and 'political' as opposed to what it is now, and why the hell did this need to be written? AVC is popular cause their writers never write anything remotely challenging to their base.
(let's also not lose sight of the important fact that his writing is dreadful, because it is)
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 3 June 2012 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
i like rabin fine when he's doing something kind of fluffy that rewards his tendency towards levity like 'my year of flops' or whatever, but yeah on music he's basically ilm indie rap strawman incarnate
actually has he been enthusiastic about any rap in particular the last couple years? seems like most people w/ his disposition have shaken off the "no good new hip hop anymore" thing and embraced the new bloggy shit or at very least are satisfied that el-p or mos def or whoever is still making music, in a way rabin might be unique in not giving a shit
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Sunday, 3 June 2012 01:10 (eleven years ago) link
AVC is popular cause their writers never write anything remotely challenging to their base.
This is kind of silly. I see the site more along the lines of, I dunno, a debate club of otherwise likeminded people than as some flame-throwing perch. It's kind of the apotheosis (or an apotheosis) of geek culture and stuff, minus (to my sensibilities) the snobbery attendant to so many other collections of armchair and semi-pro experts (like Ilxor, bless us all!). In a lot of ways it reminds me a lot of early internet, when content was driven by enthusiasm rather than conflict.
Anyway, AVClub is and has always been far more comprehensive in scope than your average website, and if it tends to play it safe I think it does so in the pursuit of thoroughness. I don't know how much it rates as a music site, but its coverage of film, comics, television and the like is really strong, and on the personal front, some of their first-persony things are actually quite good (like the recent stroll through REM history, or the occasional debate over cultural blindspots).
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i mean it's a big site that puts out a ridiculous tonnage of content, it contains multitudes and there are as many things they do well as there are things we can gripe about.
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Sunday, 3 June 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
but that 'scope' though. it's telling to me that they have so many writers covering so many different things but the actual range of opinions/personalities is so little that their hip hop writer is a guy that doesn't listen to hip hop.
and don't get me wrong, i check the site every day and i used to be a big fan, but now i just stick to the news feed (o'neal is the best writer they have) and the occasional inventory. the film/music reviews are so small they barely skim the surface of the material and mostly serve to explain the grade. the TV coverage has the opposite problem, and for some reason single 23 minute episodes warrant vanderwerff screeds 3 or 4x the length of the film/music stuff. that's just weird. having that huge a scope is a problem when the writing staff is being stretched out to cover every little piece of pop culture. it lowers the standard for everything.
i have to compare it to stylus, which was so surprisingly good with its film coverage. i imagine if they expanded into television and books and comics and then put up four additional articles a day, their standards would've lowered too.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 3 June 2012 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
My answer arrived in the form of the Depression-era cockney bootblack who tags along after me during my daily morning constitutional. "Mister, mister! When are you going to favor your readers with your impressions on the lesser, later films of Mister Paul Mazursky? That would be ever so delightful, Mr. Rabin, sir!" he inquired eagerly, his face covered in soot, his grubby little hands blacker than a landlord's soul.
"Soon enough, young man, soon enough," I confided gently with a twinkle in my eye. Admiring the young man's pluck, I flipped him a shiny Indian head nickel, then delivered a swift kick to the keister for annoying me during my pre-dawn ramble. I hereby dedicate this essay about 1991's Scenes From a Mall to that scruffy fictional street urchin. Here's looking at you, kid. Now get back to work.
this guy is SO TERRIBLE
― a bag of andy capp's hot fries (stevie), Monday, 27 August 2012 10:56 (eleven years ago) link
His piece on Joe Eszterhas's Mel Gibson screed was great.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 August 2012 12:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/AePrTHU.png
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:31 (nine years ago) link
it's not a 'humble brag' exactly... what is it...?
― a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link
a brag
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link
right up there with
http://i.imgur.com/6KIEVMi.png
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:47 (nine years ago) link
on the shoulders of giants
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
Are these headlines excerpted from a website where hacks make unremarkable confessions?
― a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
Because I could totally get in on that.
― a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
"I once received death threats from Shed Seven."
How's that?
"I Invented Sex"This goes out to the beautiful girls. Which one of y'all goin' home wit trigga?By Trey Songz
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
"Garry Shandling blocked me on Twitter the night Steve Jobs died."
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link
"I Petted a Bodega Cat Today"By Forksclovetofu
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
― socki (s1ocki)
lol i remember this
― balls, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 02:44 (nine years ago) link
still blocked fyi
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 02:51 (nine years ago) link
i get that celeb RT's are this weird new form of autographs but shandling wasn't really doing that, it was just another weird manifestation of insecurity and ego, as if larry sanders was a watered down version of him. fwiw i think he also blocked tom scharpling for rolling his eyes at him rt'ing some gas station attendant in alberta complimenting him for his performance in what planet are you from or whatever. don't try to stand in between that man and him loving ppl loving him.
― balls, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 03:10 (nine years ago) link
http://i4.tinypic.com/2uxu5gz.jpg
a treasure trove
― it's not a fedora, it's a trill bae (m bison), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 05:03 (nine years ago) link
"moddafokka"
― a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 08:26 (nine years ago) link
jpeg is also proof if proof be need be that racists will never understand the purpose of apostrophes
― a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 08:35 (nine years ago) link
Bush sounds?
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 08:56 (nine years ago) link
― balls, Monday, July 21, 2014 11:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in my case i clowned him for RTing someone manually RTing him
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 13:50 (nine years ago) link
haha good lord
― balls, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link
hahaha NATHAN RABIN of all the people in the world coined that phrase?
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link
I am at a loss trying to come up with rap songs that feature bush sounds
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link
thats_the_racist_joke.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
did Rabin really tweet that? It seems kind of out of character
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
:55 into this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjPQAE7vABg#t=52
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link