Best song on Kate Bush's Hounds Of Love

Hello Earth.

The title track, with "And Dream of Sleep" second.

no B-sides?

i have a hard time disaggregating the ninth wave into individual tracks. i guess i'll go "jig of life," although what i really mean is "jig of life"/"hello earth."

(almost need separate polls for side A and side B, they seem like different albums to me.)

B-Sides... were not on Hounds of Love.
It is a hard call to make, really. Big Sky or Hello Earth?

i like the Big Sky mention. i love that song, and it encapsulates so many memories for me, but it doesn't get due cred in my experience./

almost impossible to choose, comes down to either cloudbusting, mother stands for comfort, or running up that hill....so I choose cloudbusting.

This seems to be tougher than the Dreaming poll. I can't decide on my favorite Ninth Wave track but at the same time Cloudbusting is simply perfect. 10 days might not be long enough to work this out.

"Watching You Without Me". Would have voted for the entire "Ninth Wave" had it been possible.

this one was easier for me that the poll for the dreaming.

word. title track in a heartbeat

craziness!

Hello Earth, then the title track, then And Dream of Sheep, then Running Up That Hill, then...

cloudbusting, but it's been ages since i've listened to this

Hello Earth
Cloudbusting
Jig Of Life
And Dream Of Sheep
Hounds Of Love
Under Ice
Waking The Witch
The Big Sky
Running Up That Hill
Mother Stands For Comfort
Watching You Without Me
The Morning Fog

i guess

It's gotta be the Jig!

Under Ice.

And *COUNT* the drug references!

ugh under ice is so hot

i will not participate in this thread

bump for bimble

Yeah, cheers for leaving out the bonus tracks, Surmounter, I was going to recommend doing that.

wow, i love this entire album, but am totally surprised by the fact that most people haven't chosen 'running up that hill.' i thought that would be the obvious winner!

not around here - i think ILM really likes The Ninth Wave.

running up that hill should not be underrated tho.

great album but the hits are the best!

"Running Up That Hill" (with "Cloudbusting" napping at its heels).

"The Big Sky" is sadly neglected!

This is so hard to pick. Could be Cloudbusting.

I said I'd vote for "Hello Earth" and that's what I'm a gonna do!

word!

The Ninth Wave is the shit!

oh don't ruin it

but am totally surprised by the fact that most people haven't chosen 'running up that hill.' i thought that would be the obvious winner!

I'm pretty sure it is when we get to see what all the lurkers have voted for.

hmmmm

Running up That Hill is the most dull song on the entire album for me. Whenever I listen to Hounds, I start at track 3.

i really hate you

i don't hate you but that is unfortunate. those first three songs are pretty magical.

hounds of love in particular - or the end of Big Sky? nothin gets me movin like that.

you don't hate anyone, you are sir mounter

i was going to say i don't hate anyone but then i thought of a couple of ppl

I mean, I like the first side too, but the songs sound a bit too much like each other. Plus those drum machine beats are kind of annoying.

RONG

I feel a bit prejudiced, because some songs have just aged more over time than others. If you'd asked me in 1985 or even in the 90's I would have said something different than today.

For me "The Morning Fog" is the one that has endured the most. Go figure.

i can do without the jig of life

I can now, but for a billion years that was my fave song on this album. So you're making a bold statement, there.

certainly far from the worst on this album

wow.

jig of life = exclusion and The Morning Fog = best are 2 ideas that i just can't wrap my mind around.

Obv, the most classically amazing song is fucking Hello Earth, and the song the album could do without is The Morning Fog.

i'm sorry bimble. but jig of life, i must agree, is more than can be hoped for.

The Morning Fog is the perfect song to finish the album with; especially after Hello Earth.

its true its a good contrast tool

i don't dislike jig of life. i just could take it or leave it. too medieval times for me--i do like the guy talking at the end, that is funny

hilarious

Cutty what about "I put this moment.... here. I put this moment..... here. I put thos moment..... OVER HERE!!!!"

that's right before the guy start talking isn't it? love it

I love me some medieval shit. I mean that's kinda why Bertie works doesn't it?

ya

"waking the witch" deserves respect here too. it's ridiculous, but also great.

oh def

a highlight, even

really, this title track is so wonderful.

i have a hard time disaggregating the ninth wave into individual tracks

SRSLY

Surmounter, I'm note sure if "The Morning Fog" is the best track on Hounds, but it's almost certainly among the finest coming-down tracks of all time.

After careful deliberation, I'm voting "The Big Sky" - the scream on the fade puts it over the top by a hair.

but it's almost certainly among the finest coming-down tracks of all time.

yes i know exactly what u mean!

"Hounds of Love" is my favourite song she's done by a huge, huge margin. That's not to say that the rest isn't great, just that this song does something amazing for me.

it has that waterfall effect for me, the drums just cascade over...

greatest work of the 20th century

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Truly disappointed. This should have ended with a tie between every song. And Mother Stands For Comfort definitely deserves better.

So happy for Cloudbusting, thought I was the only one...

My guess is half the people who voted for Running Up That Hill haven't heard the rest of the album and/or it's the only song of hers they're familiar with.

Way too many votes for the first side here.

mhmm

PURGE LURKERS

geir predicted it

wish i'd voted Waking The Witch now. can yeh not see that little light up there?

Jesus, this thread is impossible to find if you try the words Kate Bush on the search engine. Or if you try anything like "Hounds Of Love" just forget it. A ZILLION posts on ILE about Dubya will get in the way. Just type "Hounds" that is the way. Only the word "Hounds".

Anyway I wasn't planning to go all mental about this album in particular, but today I heard a few random passages in my head from the Ninth Wave side of the album and it gave me pause. So tonight I am listening to the entire album all over again from start to finish because of that and this thread. I think the songs I heard snippets of in my head earlier today were "Watching You Without Me" and "Mother Stands For Comfort", yes those were the two. And normally this doesn't happen to me at all. I honestly don't give any thought to this album anymore, not in many years. But I cherish a thread like this to show me the way to experience it one more time, almost like it was new.

amen.

The Oct 23 Beats in Space uses "Running Up That Hill" or some remix thereof and does a killer job of it. I may pee myself. Oh ... there ... it happened. Oh.

nice to see such a high placing for 'hello earth'

fun fact about the source of the choral piece she used for that song:

- A different recording of "Zinzkaro", the Georgian folk song performed on the film's soundtrack by the Vocal Ensemble Gordela, was used by Kate Bush in the song "Hello Earth" on her 1985 album Hounds of Love.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu_the_Vampyre

(I always thought she'd written it, but when it turned up again on "Tale 3 - Lento arabesco" from Goran Bregovic's 'Songs and Tales from Weddings and Funerals' it occurred to me it was a traditional, and then Herzog used the Vocal Ensemble Gordela version during the plague sequence of 'Nosferatu')

http://vinyluniverse.gemm.com/item/GORDELA/GEORGIAN--FOLK--SONGS/GML1415517606/
http://www.discogs.com/release/1072318

hmmm

pressing of 500 copies on Melodiya

Apparently the remix of Running Up That Hill that floored me was the Ashley Beedle re-edit. You can stream it here:

http://discofromouterspace.blogspot.com/2007/09/kate-bush-running-up-that-hill-beedle.html

or (shh!) download it here:

http://www.pinglewood.com/2007/September/Raising_Hell.html

http://d332.com/posh/2007/02/20/ten-degrees-of-separation-the-global-search-for-vok-ansambl-gordela-ensemble-gordella-ensemble-gordelas-tshintsharo-zinskaro-zinzkaro-cin-skaro-from-kate-bushs-richard-hickox-singers-version-of-werner/

"Thanks to Werner Herzog" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4GKEnScx54

Hamlet Gonashvili - "Cincyaro" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCevhoumT0E

Holy hell, no way, man. That is...I don't have any words for that. The Nosferatu clip alone is...holy jesus of atheism if that isn't the most amazing thing I've seen/heard in my life. I struggle with why I have not yet seen that film. Surely I know who Werner Herzog is and would have seen it in his section at the store, but the only Nosferatu I've seen is the one from the 1920's or whatever. I shall make a trip the video shop on Saturday for sure.

I read the whole story you linked, too, even though I don't normally have the patience to read that kind of thing. Very rewarding ending.

In other news, I recently ordered the This Woman's Work box set. I've never owned it in all these years! I feel like a virgin, I do!

Also, Surmounter to thread PRONTO!

Ok I'd have never seen this coming but Mother Stands For Comfort is my favorite Kate Bush song

weird! about that research, milton. cool. i'd love to explore more stuff along those lines, that piece is absolutely beautiful.
the clip of the movie is way creepy.

I'd better buy that Gordela LP soon.

I did buy the Hamlet Gonashvili CD 'Hamlet', it's on Amazon. The version of 'Tsintskaro' is beautiful. About a third of the songs actually use the same traditional chord sequence that Kate borrowed for 'Hello Earth' -- it keeps coming back, with different vocal lines spun over it, threading the album together. The continuity also reminds me a lot of early plainchant -- but unlike many recordings of Perotin or Chant Cistercien, it's closer to song form and the performance is closer to living folk music as opposed to 'early music' performed with historical reverence (not that I don't love the 2 CDs I linked)

if you like that kind of choral music & you like Herzog, this is in my top 3 favorites of his: http://www.amazon.com/Gesualdo-Death-Voices-Pasquale-DOnofrio/dp/B00005UQ8L

'Watching you without me' was always my favourite. Not too popular on here.

It was two different albums too. God, how dull am I?

that song is brilliant, love the lyrics about the ghost

tonight's sleep playlist:
Under Ice
Mother Stands For Comfort
The Fog

i'm buying Hamlet now. so

excited

i'm sitting in my office with the window wide open. gorgeous gray day, cool, with a breeze. suddenly i hear a chorus of men's voices. i go to the window, trying to make them out in the wind, and listen for a few minutes. finally, i realize, Hamlet's been playing very softly in iTunes.

this album

yes?

lol i kept telling chris to make it past running up that hill

actually isn't that the problem for both of you?

I think that song accounts for 90% of my Kate Bush listening, at least.

it was the 1st song i heard on my own, like apart from my mom. but dude you need to listen to the title track.

uh, or CLOUDBUSTING

tiarnan you need to listen to cloudbusting now.

I can't I'm listening to Royal Trux and nothing is gonna tear me away!

ok i'll listen to it :D

you know what you should do, is burn me a copy of Tusk and mail it to me. that'd be fun for you!

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/ani060.gif

there's something so irresistibly blatant about that comment!

ramzi, whaaa? i've always loved this album! i just hadn't heard any other kate bush albums!

whew!

ur like my yoyo
that glows in the dark

now cloudbusting was definitely the first song that blew my mind

the strings in the 2nd verse are perfect

i wake up to the sound
of engines

wait, you haven't heard Tusk?

I keep telling him!

oh god people on the Kate Bush thread that haven't heard TUSK. Oh my god please go to your own corner and get the CD fast.

Surmounter, I don't know what to do with a "best song off Hounds of Love" thread. Sorry. But waking up to the fucking sound of engines is a damn good place to start!

Wish I had my radio...

Dammit ramz, send me your goddamn address then and we'll sort this out once and for all!!!

i will! :D

: P

ooh you're a meanie! Ramz! Conversing over email with people who aren't me! The nerve! hahahah

WISH I HAD MY RADIO

I don't have any words to describe the second side of this LP.

Side Two.

What a fucking perfect record.

even the songs that got no votes are totally awesome!

Ha, so true.

I listened to Morning Fog this sunny cold morning. Perfect.

I'm a Kate Bush newbie, but I've been totally obsessed with this album recently, so so great. Had I voted I'd probably go for "Cloudbusting" or "Running Up That Hill" because I am a newbie, but holy shit the coda of "Cloudbusting", the vocals, so majestic. The 12" mix of "Running Up That Hill" on the remastered album is fabulous too. I also love "Jig of Life" and "The Morning Fog". One off the way comment: Sinead's "Troy" makes more sense to me having heard this album; it has a bit more context, instead of being this "holy shit where did something this awesome come from?" song that it's been for me for 20 years.

Didn't we have a thread about which album was best for newbies? I thought we did, but I can't find it. Anyway, I recently lent my friend my CD of The Dreaming because he wanted to try her music out (he picked it from my stacks, not me). Well of course, he didn't like it (I tried to warn him as to the uh...odd nature of that fantastic album), so I sent him home with Hounds instead. We'll see how that works out.

Supposedly The Church are covering the song "Hounds of Love" on an EP coming out soon called "The Coffee Hounds EP". Well it was supposed to be out in February anyway...

Ha! The first Kate I heard was also "The Dreaming," which I borrowed from a friend because of the "recommended if you like Peter Gabriel" comparisons. I returned it with the comment "I don't really get this, but I have a feeling that in a year or two I'm going to love it." Which was exactly true.

Well I seem to remember meeting a boy one night when I was a teenager who only knew The Dreaming. We ended up doing some pretty freaky drugs and looking at the stars, and then I never saw him again. But he was totally crazy about The Dreaming. Go figure.

I have The Dreaming too and I'll give it a listen. A while back I got a bunch of Kate Bush (thanks, lala!) but haven't gotten around to listening to most of it. But Hounds of Love continues to blow me away so I guess it will soon be time to venture further into her oeuvre (but not yet, I am luxuriating in Hounds of Love for the indefinite future).

The Dreaming is ALMOST as good imho.

albums where the experimental side eclipses even the marvellous pop side #1

Well, my friend said that when he heard "Hello Earth", that did it for him. So we've got another convert folks!

don't think i voted 'Hello Earth' in this but would do now

Pinnacle of recorded music.

do you (or anyone for that matter) have any other recordings of the Georgian folk song it uses?

i have that Hamlet CD people told me to get -- Hamlet Gonashvili -- which has the song

it's very pretty

She said come on, let me live girl

where on your palm is my little line

SHE SAID COME ON LET ME LIVE, GIRL

i've been watching her old interviews all day, i like the one with desmond morris and the one on the kids show best although the cooking show one is great too. ah, youtube.

No album can beat the opening two tracks on this

Everytime I hear "Running Up That Hill" I snap into "omg best song evar!" mode

do you (or anyone for that matter) have any other recordings of the Georgian folk song it uses?

upthread here: Best song on Kate Bush's Hounds Of Love

still haven't bought the original recording on melodiya, but if 'Hello Earth' is your favorite track, you definitely want to buy yourself a copy of that Hamlet CD. I've listened to it a lot the last year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2005/oct/11/popandrock

thanks for that link jl.

One of those rare albums in which pretty much every track is a contender. As such, I'm surprised that the poll results are so lopsided. I voted for the title track, as that bridge-to-chorus never fails to give me the blissful spine-chills.

i don't think i voted in this. "hello earth" might be my favorite, but it's also demanding listening, so when it comes on itunes random play, i sometimes skip past it.

it was used so wonderfully in that one miami vice episode.

i love demanding listening btw, i just need to make sure i can commit the time/attention to be able to hang with it. which is hard when i'm in the middle of running errands or whatever.

right

miami vice??

*CONTROVERSIAL*
never forever and the dreaming are better than this

miami vice:

"i get outta my car" and the whole song breaks open

full episode is on hulu:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/14849/miami-vice-bushido

I was a latecomer to this album and Kate Bush in general, but I wish I could time-travel back and burn a copy of this albu, for all for the many girl/friends I had in high-school and college who thought Tori Amos invented this shit (though some of them seemed to think that Tori invented music itself, and an attempt to convince them otherwise, however reasonable, would likely have resulted in denial and/or rage).

*sorry for the typing mess.

yawn.

yawn kant tori read

Were you bored by my post, Tim, or are you just sleepy? Please insert zing here ____________________.

I can't really be bothered getting into the argument now, but in brief, the whole "Woah Kate Bush is the OG Tori Amos" line is:

a) wrong;
b) boring, lazy, overstated criticism along the lines of "Steely Dan is what punk was born to fight against" or "rap is nothing but bling and sexism" (albeit not as sweeping as those two examples); and
c) leaving aside whether it's fair on Tori Amos, a massive distortion of what makes Kate Bush interesting, by implicitly reducing her to whatever falls within the stylistic venn diagram created by the two artists, which is not much: they're actually very different as songwriters, as arrangers and as singers.

Fair enough. If it's a cliche to make the comparison, I wasn't aware of that, and I'm not really prepared for nuanced critical debate on the issue anyway, as I've never sat down and listened to them side by side. I have been listening to a lot of Kate Bush recently, and have been struck by the vocal resemblance, so I'll stand by that at least.

:)

I probably overreact when i see the comparison because it's made so often and in such sweeping terms from people who basically want an easy stick to beat one or both artists with - I'm sure a search of the ILM archives will yield any number of examples, many of which i've responded to in more detail.

What most annoys me about it is that it implies that there is only space for one of these artists, when the same claim would not be made about actually-more-similar groups and artists etc. It's as if "genre" is a prop reserved exclusively for male rock.

(plus Tori sounds more like Stevie Nicks crossed with Joni Mitchell)

Lex summed it up pretty concisely previously:

"They play the piano and their vocal ranges overlap and that is all they share. Their entire aesthetic foundations are completely different - they sing about wildly different subjects in wildly different ways. Tori has not professed any debt to Kate Bush - what she has said is that she was never aware of Kate Bush until very late because Kate Bush never really broke America to a great extent."

...

"Their vocal differences are more numerous and more important {than their vocal similarites}... Tori can rasp in a way Kate doesn't, and always sounds libidinous while Kate sounds asexual. Also, their vocals work in completely different ways - when Kate does kooky affectations, it's deliberate and controlled, almost like performance art; Tori, on the other hand, makes her mispronunciations and mannerisms sound natural by-products of her emotion.

asexual otm

one of the most obvious differences to me s the instrumentation. i guess i see more similarity when it comes to early kate, but later kate employed a variety of instruments/synths that tori never seemed to.

Alright, but we know that The Church have just covered Kate Bush's song Hounds of Love right?

I can't keep up with this thread. I'm too drunk just now.

The who the what now?

I stuck this on earlier, and what really jumped out was Kate's sibilant 'ess'es, especially on the title track. I've never noticed it before, but she's quite hissy (also breathier than I'd thought). Is it maybe a treatment on the vocal, or even the limitation of mp3 as a format?

it's kate dude

she's always been a grand enunciator. her t's, c's and k's are pretty mean too

I'm cool with it

whatever man you said kate was a limitation of mp3 as a format

No I didn't. Don't be a dick.

XD

It's in the trees
it's coming

^^^^THIS

"Hounds of Love" and "Hello Earth" are probably my favorites? Love the whole album to death, though.

Night of the Demon is a classic film and worth watching, she sampled those lines for a reason

i need to do that

strongest 1-2 opening-songs punch ever, in the history of albums and opening songs and punches

<3 u kate

my life in the bush of kate

how dare u

I was just showed the video of This Woman's Work to the new girl I'm seeing and she talked the whole time???

Bad sign

god poor show for my 2 faves Under Ice and Dream Of Sheep.

wait aren't you the dude whose ex asked you if you still listen to kate?

Yes I am, none of the women I know are crazy about Kate Bush. I don't understand.

Running up That Hill is the most dull song on the entire album for me. Whenever I listen to Hounds, I start at track 3.

― butchy, Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:22 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark

i really hate you

― cutty, Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:23 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark

"Mother Stands for Comfort" should've got votes.

V. surprised to see this as ILX's No. 1 of the 80s. Not upset, by any means (Hounds Of Love is great), but surprised.

it's my #1 of all time, so not surprising

And Dream of Sheep is so pretty

The title track wuz robbed.

No.4 of the eighties, unless someone's done a follow-up poll really quick

i just know that something good is going to happen fyi.

every song should have got 100 votes

Just looked out the window and realised its a HoL day.
If I had to pick one track it would be Hello Earth, because it has to be one of the most moving pieces of music ever made.
Am also fond of the bit where she'll "pause for a jet" in The Big Sky, or the relentless trudge of strings in Cloudbusting, or those sntaches of voices like waking from a dream, or being ill as a child: "Look who's here to see you."
Incidentally, a friend of ours knocked up one of those Wilhelm Reich cloudbusting gizmos in our back garden. The conversation went like this.
"So Charles, is it supposed to make it rain, or prevent rain?"
"Well, er, it's supposed to promote balance..."
"So sometimes it'll make it rain, and sometimes it won't"
"Er, yes"

Mother STands for Comfort deserved all 7 votes that went to Jig of Life

like, how do u feel when you've finished recording this album?

god i can't imagine.
must be amazing.
the satisfaction, relief, probably kind of like really good sex except a billion times better??!?

i just know that something good is going to happen fyi.

― ian, Saturday, December 5, 2009 5:05 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

hello lady

i just know that something good is going to happen tbh.

Guys do you know how fucked up "Waking the Witch" can be if you unknowingly got dosed with some fucking weird drug at a party?

Let me steal this moment from you now.

Pretty distressing that Spotify has many shitty cover versions of "Running Up That Hill", but not the original.

I don't really even hate Placebo that much, but theirs is pretty much the shittiest too.

I love this piece on 'Hello Earth' - there's something almost religious about that track

If this thread will permit me a little indulgence, I've thinking about the song "Hounds of Love" and thinking of my nine-year-old daughter who will soon be chased by those hounds, and it reminded me of a favorite poem of mine, "Donegal (for Ellie)" by Robin Robertson. He is thinking of the hounds as well.

Ardent on the beach at Rossnowlagh
on the last day of summer,
you ran through the shallows
throwing off shoes, and shirt and towel
like the seasons, the city's years,
all caught in my arms
as I ploughed on behind you, guardian still
of dry clothes, of this little heart
not quite thirteen,
breasting the waves
and calling back to me
to join you, swimming in the Atlantic
on the last day of summer.
I saw a man in the shallows
with his hands full of clothes, full of
all the years,
and his daughter going
where he knew he could not follow.

The Chromatics' cover of "Running Up That Hill" is an excellent, cool treatment of the song.

that poem is beautiful - it brought the same tear to my as kate does

"The Morning Fog" is so beautiful and life-affirming
a perfect end to side 2

seconded

This album is really downright weird. I have no idea what made me love it at 18. Mrs. McBB said it just brings to mind Tori Amos but I've never cottoned to subsequent Kate wannabes.

lol @ the idea of reducing Hounds Of Love to the sentiment of "just bringing to mind tori amos"

do you typically not harbor love for weird music?

Well Mrs. McBB has decidedly mainstream tastes, so...

I do love 'weird music', I fell for Danielle Dax in college as well, it's just compared to the alternative staples I was listening to at the time, Kate stands far apart.

fuck mrs. mcboing-boing

It was this album that made me love KB. Just seeing that video for Cloudbusting with Donald Sutherland, and thinking "I must have this"

i recently found the 'alternative hounds of love' single for a buck and while i think it's really cool that kb can just riff off the subject and make entirely new lyrics, the original is soo much better

eh?

alternative hounds of love is the song with different lyrics/hook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnpNYAdvrAs

fuck mrs. mcboing-boing

Uncalled for.

but i mean she does "bring to mind" tori amos when you first listen to her!

its only after a few listens that u don't hear anyone else but kate bush, you know? i've listened to the first three on here over and over so many times. they're... in a league of their own. "the big sky" needed a few more votes. love the rest too obviously.

to be completely, totally honest, kate bush did not bring to mind tori amos when i first heard her.

she sounded like a wild banchee doing songs out of an ethereal place in her wacked out 80s mind. not tori amos.

i was listening to aerial the other day and my roommate asked if i was listening to tori amos u_u

yea i'm not saying it's a silly reaction. just doesn't happen to me.

in particular, a lot of the tracks on this record sound nothing like tori to me: running up that hill, big sky, cloudbusting, jig of life, under ice, waking the witch

don't hear it

we're totally on the same page: the very first time i heard kate bush i heard the work of genius. i've heard tori amos countless times and have never ever been drawn into her music

lol @ the notion that people outside ILM have to have this hyperdetailed, aspie-level perception of similarities between musical artists or else they're LOLable

i don't think anybody really said that in the span of this conversation. i think all that was suggested is that Hounds of Love and Aerial are 2 albums that are pretty different than "tori amos."

but i guess not to a lot of people LOL

:D

They *are* very different, I agree; but "brings to mind Tori Amos" isn't equal to "reducing" the album to "is a direct Tori fascimile" and isn't that ludicrous a statement considering the obvious signifiers involved, really.

...especially coming from soneone who might not be as invested in analyzing & discussing music as some of the people here.

i don't know what the last part of your statement means, really

but the original statement was actually "just brings to mind Tori Amos"

the "just" means a lot there, and it's pretty LOLable

That the statement "just brings to mind Tori Amos" coming from someone who isn't invested in analyzing music so much isn't ludicrous as a casual remark. But w/e.

no, it's not ludicrous. and i didn't say it was. i just said it made me laugh.

the "just" means a lot there, and it's pretty LOLable

ok. fine. to be completely honest, to hear this album and think "just brings to mind tori amos" does seem kind of ludicrous. purely on a sonic level. the insturmentation, the style. i can understand hearing a parallel, but for that to be your only reaction (which is what "just" suggests) is odd to me. not insulting, not annoying, just odd.

i'm not a kate snob, and i don't retaliate against tori analogies with the venom a lot of other people do. i just find it bizarre.

did you know that "just" is the most used word in the written english language?

Probably, and that even makes her statement LESS definitive than you're perceiving it to be. :)

not really. the "just" in that statement is pretty clearly used to mean "only."

i think it's rather silly for you to assume that i'm one of those people who looks down on those who so much as mention tori in the context of a kate bush conversation. never have been. i just find this particular observation off the mark.

lol surm, I see what you did there

lol i don't even know what i did, i just know it's 5pm and i'm arguing with ppl on the internet

look, this is one of her 2 masterpieces - i think it's fairly understandable and innocuous for someone to perceive the statement "eh just reminds me of tori amos" as sort of loopy. (yes i took my liberties with the "eh" but whatever). that's about it.

Well I gotta jet, but I do sincerely hope the unquestionable brilliance of this album isn't further toyed with by the unwashed masses.

ahhhahahahahahahahahahahaha you really are missing the point aren't u

it's like u decided to get annoyed at me for taking a stance that i'm not even taking.

"Cloudbusting" is still such a great song.

Props to Turangalila for repping for Mrs. McBB, who indeed couldn't care less what you lot LOL at. She's a good sport with all the nonsense I make her listen to, and even quite likes some of it, INCLUDING KATE BUSH. Only on ILM would such an innocuous remark cause such a stir...

i don't expect her to care about what i find funny. if she did, i would be worried about you, and your wife. i was making a very simple point, not to be lumped in with the protests of Kate/Tori analogy haters everywhere. Turangalila, in a characteristic move, decided to get uppity about something that was more forgettable than he painted it to be. I do not claim that this album is too brilliant for reproach, and I do not think it's above comparisons made from a distance. I was merely expressing an opinion, one no more or less valuable than your wife's. After all, i am a firm believer in the perspective of the non-expert in any given arena (in this case, Mrs McBB, an avid mainstream-ist), and sometimes find such perspectives even more valuable than those entrenched in the field.

After all, i am a firm believer in the perspective of the non-expert in any given arena (in this case, Mrs McBB, an avid mainstream-ist), and sometimes find such perspectives even more valuable than those entrenched in the field.

This is a very good point. Given how little I've listened to pop over the last 20 years it's useful to hear folks with a different perspective comment on some of the things I listen to - it sometimes makes me reconsider my opinions.

sorry for all the words T. <3 u now and forever

i love what happened here

wow you guys can really be dicks about kate bush

also if you don't the average person would think kate bush was kinda like tori amos, as opposed to being more like, say, ac/dc or levert or georgia satellites or ma$e or miles davis or mahler or the strokes or boards of canada, well, yr wrong....they are gonna think...woah gothy witchy type chick who can sing crazy

true, true.

nothing wrong with that. i've just never really heard it.

kate is 1000000x better obv but that's what i thought when i first heard her cuz i guess tori was just more of a big artist when i was in HS and college and you didn't hear much kate bush in the u.s.

lol u young

or wait, am I old?

;_;

kate is 1000000x better obv

noooooo not obv

YES

NO

lol u young

or wait, am I old?

;_;

― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:42 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wait? i thought we were around the same age...her first album wiki sez was 92, i graduated in 93

I graduated in 91 but was all up in Kate Bush's grill from when Hounds of Love came out in 86.

Hi! Can we talk about how good some of the B-sides are?

Under the Ivy is one of my favorite KT songs.

i've never heard it :/

Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaUgi1AzC0

Sorry about the shitty video though.

i love "be kind to my mistakes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaB8eUDkiX4

Love them both.

it's a 'the dreaming'-era b-side but i love her version of 'lord of the reedy river'

sorry for all the words T. <3 u now and forever

― janice (surm), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 13:23 (3 hours ago) Permalink

My apologies, too. There is certainly no hostility between us. I get a little carried away in responding sometimes.

haha! AND I DON'T

will listen to these b-sides as soon as my coworker turns off phil collins radio

I graduated in 91 but was all up in Kate Bush's grill from when Hounds of Love came out in 86.

― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:27 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

probably just the difference between growing up in way southern minnesota and the relatively "cosmopolitan" hastings...

oooooooooo i just know that something good is gonna happen

COSMOPOLITAN HASTNFGS

"the South Beach of Central Minnesota"

under the ivy is beautiful

Burning Bridge is another fave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbw3X2LeaIw

this came out 25 years ago, yesterday

http://www.desicomments.com/graphics/belatedbirthday/13.gif

never fully appreciated the greatness of those lyrics about burying the YoYo in Cloudbusting until i read about the use of radium (radioactive) glow in the dark paint that used to be put on watch faces and novelty items.

i always forget how great this album is, like i know i like it a lot but i forget how gorgeous it sounds.

http://agrammar.tumblr.com/post/74942897102/hounds-of-love-with-scads-of-gifs-and-scads-of-gushing

It's a beautiful video. Great piece too.

I saw this just now while looking for director credits: http://www.katebushnews.com/index.php/2011/07/rip-gow-hunter-1960-2011/

Then Play Long reaches out to Hounds of Love: http://nobilliards.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/kate-bush-hounds-of-love.html

So I listened to this 12" version of "The Big Sky" for the first time in forever, and realized that midway through it has those same voices that show up in "Waking The Witch."

Which also made me think that Side One has always felt like a string of more conventional pop songs, while Side Two is this novella...but if this longer version of "The Big Sky" were on the album, it would make Side One just as much of a story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gemzegd0YZQ

better poll would've been what's the second best song lol

I've always preferred 'Cloudbusting' to 'Running Up That Hill', fwiw.

been really enjoying 'The Big Sky' lately. it works really well as a surprise drop in a DJ set

cloudbusting is the best song here. One of the finest uses of a minimal drum beat in a pop song ever and the train SFX ending is perfect

Are these the only 12" mixes she put out? Cause they're all damn good.

Cloudbusting (The Organon Mix) 6:33
The Big Sky (Meteorological Mix) 7:45
Experiment IV (12" Mix) 6:37

The 12" Extended Mix of Running Up That Hill is mainly louder drums and some dubby echo effects on the vocals. Probably of some use for 'club play' but loses atmosphere by bringing elements into sharper focus IMO. Actually the Instrumental on the other side works better and does retain some parts of the vocal.

Some of the Red Shoes singles had "12-inch" remixes, I think?

this is one of the finest kate bush remixes/covers i've heard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQxEVhyvA0I

(Under the Ice)

The 12" of "Hounds of Love" (the song) is close to being an entirely different song iirc?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R86V64GLq4

Right, that's from the "Hounds Of Love" 12", I forgot about that one. It's on the "This Woman's Work" bonus discs.

The "Running Up That Hill" 12" has a 5:45 extended version.

"The Big Sky" 7" has a 4:34 "Special Single Mix". Are any of the other 7" versions more than just an edit?

Oh, and it looks like those two I mentioned are on this CD single: https://www.discogs.com/Kate-Bush-The-Red-Shoes/release/1412937

It'd be neat if she did a tour where the set was just a 70-90 minute version of Running Up That Hill

Has there ever been a thread for extended
Mixes of 80s songs? There’s tons of dope extended mixes online of everything from kim carnes to the cars. Like the extended version of Drive is beautiful

this fuckin album

indeed :)

love this too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQxEVhyvA0I

with the under the ice samples

^ I love this track, too. I've seen The Field live a bunch of times and he always plays it; particularly great with a live drummer. There's something super uplifting about dancing to these samples of Kate's voice.

absolutely :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWaj8wU_qRg

https://thequietus.com/articles/26096-kate-bush-under-the-ivy-official-music-video

Pulled this up for a listen today and found that Spotify has a “2018 Remaster” version. Through headphones, the strings are much more distinct and the drums are intense.

how the hell did Big Sky only get two votes here?

we never understood it

Some surprises here, looking back;

And Dream Of Sheep 2
The Big Sky 2
Under Ice 2
Mother Stands For Comfort 0

Not so strange, those are mostly subtle mood pieces on an album with a lot of tracks and several better-known songs. If someone told me their favourite song on the record was "Mother Stands For Comfort", I'd respond, "Oh, you don't like Kate Bush?"

sad no love for waking the witch that's when shit really gets going

So i guess i don't like Kate Bush :(
Xpost

maybe I love Kate Bush AND Eberhard Weber

If someone told me their favourite song on the record was "Mother Stands For Comfort", I'd respond, "Oh, you don't like Kate Bush?"

i know, ILM is a safe space, it welcomes people saying daft shit in an authoritative register

but ffs

Love the radio-type sounds on that song.

the fairlight? yeah particularly the very final flourish that ends the song (and cuts out rather than fades)

Where, I ask, were all these supporters of "Mother Stands For Comfort" in 2007, when your vote counted?

I just think of it as the epitome of a breather/change-of-pace track. Also, for Bush/Weber fans, "Houdini" is a way more impressive song.

"Mother" is maybe my third-favourite song on the album, but that won't earn it any credit if that's true for everyone. Mods, please implement first-past-the-post voting

there aren't any bad songs on that album, but Mother is definitely one of the more subtle ones... what chance does it have stuck between the Big Sky and Cloudbusting?

it's a better song than the Morning Fog.

love "waking the witch" and "watching you without me"

A more controversial opinion is that this is the weakest of her first five records (though the best tracks on this are better than those on Lionheart.

this new reissue is ugly and preposterous, what on earth. I guess the prices are really for the artwork, but the artwork is...not good?

https://music.katebush.com/buy/hounds-of-love-lost-at-sea/

Re the conversation about "Mother Stands For Comfort" above, it would only be like top 6 for me, but I used to include it on a lot of mixtapes paired with The Blue Nile's "Automobile Noise" as a kind of mini-suite of found-sound synth balladry.

$300 for a vinyl reissue with no new songs or anything, that is pretty obnoxious... is it for charity or something?

it's not clear at all. apparently she had a limited artwork like this as part of a War Child charity, and this is another go at that, but I don't think these go to War Child. Plus...it's not the full album! Most of these configurations are for like...1/2 the album

more info on this page: https://www.katebush.com/hounds-of-love/

LED light. like PF's Pulse. c'mon Kate.

The Baskerville Edition is the first in the series of illustrated editions of the albums.

so she has a whole series planned

maybe this is to make the elevated prices of the colored vinyl reissues seem reasonable

it's all tacky af

No outtakes or 12 inch mixes (“The Big Sky” Meteorological Mix is outstanding)? Fuck this.

big agree there, beamish. stop neglecting remixes and long edits!

(lotta other 80s acts guilty of this schitt, too)

it's missing some stuff from the period, but this version is pretty hard to beat: https://www.discogs.com/release/7727012-Kate-Bush-Hounds-Of-Love

(and ya, this new reissue is gimmicky af)