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inspired by some recent nostalgia-fueled listening...

Poll Results

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1. "Serve the Servants" – 3:36 14
12. "All Apologies" – 3:51 14
5. "Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle" – 4:09 12
2. "Scentless Apprentice" (Cobain, Dave Grohl, Krist Novoselic) – 3:48 12
3. "Heart-Shaped Box" – 4:41 10
8. "Milk It" – 3:55 8
6. "Dumb" – 2:32 7
4. "Rape Me" – 2:50 7
9. "Pennyroyal Tea" – 3:37 7
10. "Radio Friendly Unit Shifter" – 4:51 7
7. "Very Ape" – 1:56 4
11. "tourette's" – 1:35 3


Dr. Johnson (askance johnson), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

"Pennyroyal Tea" today, but I love the thud of "Frances Farmer..."

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 13:45 (fifteen years ago) link

love "Serve The Servents" as an opener, don't feel like it gets enough respect

andrei armpitshavin (some dude), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 13:47 (fifteen years ago) link

This reminds me of my last visit to NY, I decided what I needed was "In Utero" the Wal-Mart version, which has "Waif me" and no "Gallons of Alcohol" etc.

And also, what I didn't know at the time, it has the 'radio remix' of PennyRoyal Tea.

Nice.

Oh, would vote "All Apologies" but it sort of reminds me that I liked this album much more than "Nevermind" when it came out, and now everyone thinks the same.

So, hmm... Track one. Just for the CRASSSHHHHH opening chord, and the song itself.

(xpost - this thread had no answers when I started)

Mark G, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link

impulse vote for scentless apprentice but could have easily voted for milk it, very ape, dumb, or radio friendly unit shifter instead

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link

HSB over Apologies and Pennyroyal

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link

(maybe cuz 2d and 3rd are better on Unplugged)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Radio Friendly Unit Shifter. This album more or less sux.

the drummer from the hilarious 1990's Britpop act Gay Dad (wanko ergo sum), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link

another vote for Serve The Servants. The first side is mostly boring - I never liked Pennyroyal or Rape Me or any of that junk. I think Tourettes was the first track I heard that I consciously knew was by Nirvana.

the next grozart, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link

In Utero is just as good as Nevermind, in it's own special way

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link

better than, i think

mark cl, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link

milk it

mark cl, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

but i like the opener a lot too

mark cl, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link

i voted very ape

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:28 (fifteen years ago) link

milk it. w/ heart shaped box, radio friendly unit shifter, very ape, frances farmer right behind it

6335, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:28 (fifteen years ago) link

"Pennyroyal Tea", wow, that song hits hard still with the howl in the chorus.

Euler, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:33 (fifteen years ago) link

it's weird how "Dumb" has gradually become such an overplayed radio staple over the years that i can't stand to hear it now

far beyond steendriven (some dude), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:36 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe it's because i don't listen to rock radio, but i'd rather hear dumb than all apologies or pennyroyal tea or the other quiet songs on this album

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I really like Heart Shaped Box and was surprised on the recent Vig vs Albini production thread at implications it was some terrible badly produced sell-out that nobody with ears could be happy with, or something. Is this just some save-an-Albini stanning or is it not cool to like the big lead single or do people really not like this song?

(PS I like Albini's work in general but I guess not so much on In Utero if the track I most dig the sound of was totally redone from his version)

a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:40 (fifteen years ago) link

dope record

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:41 (fifteen years ago) link

i was very disappointed to not find this on my ipod this morning

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:43 (fifteen years ago) link

i think 'heart-shaped box' is great, one of my favorite nirvana singles. but i like the other stuff on this album a lot more

mark cl, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link

i was very disappointed to not find this on my ipod this morning

Ha me too. Gotta dig through and find the cd.
Voted All Apologies. No apologies.

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I have never listened to this album

maybe this poll is a reason to?

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I voted for "Milk It," it was my favorite as a youth and it is still great now. Only songs that disapointed were "Serve the Servants" and "Frances Farmer."

Dr. Johnson (askance johnson), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link

this is tough...strictly peaking, my favourite song on here is All Apologies, but i'm not voting for it, bcz i only have one vote...think i'm voting Tourette's, but could vote for any of these songs...one of my favourite albums ever...

jagged-electronically mäandernden underbody (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

strictly speaking

jagged-electronically mäandernden underbody (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Frances Farmer has always been my choice on this album. Dylan played it on his radio show on madness recently, and told her story, which you kind of have to infer from the lyrics.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Frances Farmer

krakow, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

"Scentless Apprentice",easy
but jesus liazrd is better than this record

Zeno, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Serve the Servants

ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUBS WHATSOEVER, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

frances farmer!

d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 13 April 2009 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Tough poll. I think Rape Me might be the most intense, compelling Nirvana song, so I guess that's my choice. Dumb and Pennyroyal Tea are very close, tho.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 13 April 2009 23:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Went with Apologies in the end. It is the obvious choice, and just too damn good for whatever challops I thought I could rationalize.

SORCEROUSES..roll on stage! (Pillbox), Monday, 13 April 2009 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link

very ape.

goole, Monday, 13 April 2009 23:33 (fifteen years ago) link

pennyroyal tea.

phantompenguin, Monday, 13 April 2009 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link

great album. i'm seriously tired of "rape me", "dumb", "heart shaped box", "pennyroyal tea", and "all apologies" though, as great as some of those songs 'em are. narrowed it down to "serve the servants" and "milk it", chose the latter.

buttslam is a pretty good move (circa1916), Monday, 13 April 2009 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link

The opening line is such a great, all knowing kiss off from a guy that was labelled the 'voice of his generation'
' and was following up such a siesmic album in Nevermind. So that song then.

Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Scentless Apprentice is a killer, killer beat. I loved that one and Milk It. The popular tunes are good too, but I thought Nirvana was pretty good when they got spazzy.

earlnash, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 00:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Serve the Servants.

Generally acknowledged as the best Nirvana album now, isn't it?

chap, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 00:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know about that, but it at least has been pulled outside of the shadow of Nevermind and assessed based on its own merits at this point. Personally, I'd go with Unplugged.

SORCEROUSES..roll on stage! (Pillbox), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 00:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Had "Verse Chorus Verse" been on this...

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, "Verse Chorus Verse" is probably my fav Nirvana song.

Euler, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 01:12 (fifteen years ago) link

"Frances Farmer." I started a mix CD with it a few years ago, and half the people I gave it to were like "oh man, where'd you find that Nirvana song?!" Right in the middle of the damn album!

Douglas, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 03:04 (fifteen years ago) link

I never enjoy pulling this out (especially this one). And indeed hearing it again just now was not pleasant.

I guess I'll go with "Rape Me" because it's the only one that seems to radiate outward from Kurt scraping his soul towards something more transformative. Or at least that's why I tell myself to get through the thing.

Ugh.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 10:55 (fifteen years ago) link

"All Apologies". Great song from a generally overrated album, and the one song that would have fitted on the way superior "Nevermind" album.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 12:18 (fifteen years ago) link

"Radio Friendly Unit Shifter" has the long noisy ending and I wanted to go for that, but it accidentally took my vote for "Scentless Apprentice" which I guess is also fine because the groove in that song is massive.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link

voted scentless apprentice because it is my favourite Nirvana song and freaks me out still.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link

tourette's has some really hooky screaming

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link

best nirvana album imo

too hard poll

stimulus package (cozwn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link

frances farmer. best nirvana album by a country mile.

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Scentless Apprentice. Haven't listened to this album in ages though.

DavidM, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

damn not one song shut out, and my horse won!

69, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link

this was my favourite Nirvana album when i was 12 and liked Nirvana, but I can't remember half of these songs by looking at the titles :S

Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Three votes for "tourette's"!!

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

when the lowest ranked song has 3 votes, i think that says something.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link

It says 3 people need to lay off the challopsticks.

Passantino Complexion (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link

i dont get it.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Solid results.

krakow, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link

This reminds me of my last visit to NY, I decided what I needed was "In Utero" the Wal-Mart version, which has "Waif me" and no "Gallons of Alcohol" etc.

I just noticed this post, what version *does* have "Gallons of Alcohol" on it?

display names have been changed to protect the innocent (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link

where my very ape peeps at

goole, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link

surprised pennyroyal tea placed so low

the most naturally gifted poster of his generation (cozwn), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I can def get with these results but ^^ yeah

SORCEROUSES..roll on stage! (Pillbox), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Hey musicians, what is it called at the beginning of "very ape" when the perceived upbeat/downbeat does a flipflop? (and what other songs do that?)

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

i dunno! i didn't think there was a term for it.

goole, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

"I'm Free" by The Who does it.. I don't think there's a term for it.

billstevejim, Thursday, 16 April 2009 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

huge 20th anniversary splurge in MOJO that came out this week. yeah i know, but the main piece is by Jon Savage so that has to be worth a look.
just reading this makes me so fucking sad about what happened :(

"What Pat added more than anything was an injection of life and happiness to those last months of Nirvana. We’d talked about getting a second guitar player, we talked about Steve Turner, we talked about Buzz Osborne, but of course we didn’t want to break up Mudhoney or the Melvins. Kurt had been in Los Angeles and walked into the SST Superstore where Pat was working, and they hit it off. One of the first rehearsals, we were trying to figure out ‘The Man Who Sold The World’ and the three of us just couldn’t do it. Pat said, “Actually, it goes like this.” I thought, ‘There’s a musician in the band now!’ Having Pat changed things dramatically. Kurt and Courtney were on that side of town and Krist and I were on this side of town, and Pat definitely bridged us back together for awhile." - Dave Grohl.

piscesx, Saturday, 3 August 2013 00:21 (ten years ago) link

cool i'm off to my nearest newstand now maybe

recordin' mofo (rattled), Saturday, 3 August 2013 00:38 (ten years ago) link

God I hate All Apologies

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 4 August 2013 01:44 (ten years ago) link

yeah i think i've been sick of that song since the first month it got played on the radio

some dude, Sunday, 4 August 2013 01:53 (ten years ago) link

listening to "dumb" a lot lately. what a fucked up song.

boy_slayer, Sunday, 4 August 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link

I'm one of those in here who don't care much about Nirvana. That said, I think In Utero is better than Nevermind which always seemed a too frontloaded to me. I love the results in this poll, serve the servants and frances farmer are the highlights for me too.

Moka, Sunday, 4 August 2013 06:03 (ten years ago) link

Was Gallons of Alcohol not available in the US version? It's also one of my favorites in here.

Moka, Sunday, 4 August 2013 06:21 (ten years ago) link

I think a problem I have with this album, as good as it is, is that I wish there were more songs with the dynamics of Milk it.

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 4 August 2013 06:29 (ten years ago) link

it seems to be this halfway house of a Jesus Lizard/Touch and Go thing and more traditional singer songwriter elements, All Apologies or Heart Shaped Box. It's a bit jarring to me, either go the whole way with one or the other IMO

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 4 August 2013 06:33 (ten years ago) link

Grohl sounds great on this but in terms of arrangements he could be used in much more interesting ways

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 4 August 2013 06:35 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

listened to this a lot this weekend and while I always liked it, I've done a complete about face on this album. Used to think it was greatly overrated and a little too plain at times, but my opinion must have been colored by what else I was listening to at the time.

For me it doesn't get any better than "Scentless Apprentice" with Kurt's exerted yells and the noisy riff. "Milk It", I've always liked the live versions better but the main riff is monstrous.

Neanderthal, Monday, 10 March 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link

Some days this is my favourite Nirvana album, others it's Bleach. Always between those two.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 10 March 2014 22:29 (ten years ago) link

The noisiest bits of this album are the best. Hate "All Apologies," always have.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 10 March 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link

"Frances Farmer" is A+ though

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 10 March 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link

The noisiest bits of this album are the best.

'Dumb' invalidates this thesis.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 10 March 2014 23:13 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

you can't fire me cuz i quit

^ always imagined this is how most firings went down

j., Thursday, 19 March 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link

oh boy, that riff that kicks in briefly on Frances Farmer at 0:38. it's not an overused sound on the album, so when it appears it's all the sweeter.

charlie h, Friday, 20 March 2015 00:21 (nine years ago) link

scentless apprentice is the way I enjoyed them sounding

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 20 March 2015 00:25 (nine years ago) link

that was my favourite song when the album came out. i've gone off it a bit over the years.

charlie h, Friday, 20 March 2015 00:31 (nine years ago) link

oh boy, that riff that kicks in briefly on Frances Farmer at 0:38.

And the instrumental middle eight!

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 20 March 2015 01:04 (nine years ago) link

this record is pretty riffless for such a big rock album hit

j., Friday, 20 March 2015 01:15 (nine years ago) link

Anyone surprised that Tourette's earned 3 votes is missing out on how misanthropic, evil, and pummeling this band could be. That said, my pick is Frances Farmer for life.

Portugal minus Pedro Foster Cage (Spectrist), Friday, 20 March 2015 01:21 (nine years ago) link

love this album, especially "frances farmer." "milk it" is still the scariest nirvana performance.

"all apologies" has always sounded like a lennon homage to me, the tune reminds me a lot of "look at me" and "julia."

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 20 March 2015 03:40 (nine years ago) link

yeah these verses esp.

I am my own parasite
I don't need a host to live
We feed off of each other
We can share our endorphins

Doll steak!
Test meat!

...

I own my own pet virus
I get to pet and name her
Her milk is my shit
My shit it is her milk

i wonder if this was the earliest song i encountered where there was something uncanny to the lyrics that wasn't sung just as a pose or for the effect of weirdness or artiness, but had some kind of strange conviction to it.

j., Friday, 20 March 2015 03:47 (nine years ago) link

His lyrics are not often praised. Or is that a misconception on my part?

Hinklepicker, Friday, 20 March 2015 09:42 (nine years ago) link

the way kurt sings, i rarely know what he's actually saying so seeing the words to milk it written down like that is kind of mindblowing.

why dont u say something or like just die (dog latin), Friday, 20 March 2015 12:35 (nine years ago) link

the moment that's grown on me most in recent years is just the way serve the servants opens - just this huge, confrontational squall of sound.

why dont u say something or like just die (dog latin), Friday, 20 March 2015 12:37 (nine years ago) link

is missing out on how misanthropic, evil, and pummeling this band could be.

Yeah, they're often misunderstood as much more one dimensional than they really were. Doesn't help that their most famous album is also their most boring.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 20 March 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link

this one and unplugged are the only nirvana i ever feel like listening to

nevermind is super boring and the sound of that record is terrible imo

marcos, Friday, 20 March 2015 13:43 (nine years ago) link

milk it would've been my vote

marcos, Friday, 20 March 2015 13:43 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

‘There’s a musician in the band now!

j., Sunday, 19 February 2017 03:41 (seven years ago) link

this record is pretty riffless for such a big rock album hit

― j., Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:15 PM

what

flappy bird, Sunday, 19 February 2017 04:17 (seven years ago) link

like, try to sing the riffs to the songs, from memory

j., Sunday, 19 February 2017 05:04 (seven years ago) link

DUN-DUN-DUN-NUN DUN-NUN-NUN-NUN-NUN-DUN-DUN

flappy bird, Sunday, 19 February 2017 05:09 (seven years ago) link

yeah they're pretty much all like that

j., Sunday, 19 February 2017 05:12 (seven years ago) link

i started typing them all out
but i got bored
i can hum them all
the pretty songs are pretty
the heavy songs fucking stomp
i remember them all

flappy bird, Sunday, 19 February 2017 05:13 (seven years ago) link

you don't know what you're remembering

j., Sunday, 19 February 2017 05:18 (seven years ago) link

Tons of memorable riffs on this album.

chap, Sunday, 19 February 2017 15:13 (seven years ago) link

Ha, I could tell right away that flappy bird was talking about "Scentless Apprentice". That one and "All Apologies" are the ones I really think of as being based on memorable riffs in the classic sense.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 February 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link

Milk it's as memorable as riffs get imo.

chihuahuau, Sunday, 19 February 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link

almost the entire album is memorable riffs wtf

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 19 February 2017 16:06 (seven years ago) link

The only songs that aren't riffy are Dumb and Pennyroyal Tea.

chap, Sunday, 19 February 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link

I think you guys are right, actually. Even the noisier songs like "Very Ape" and "Radio Friendly Unit Shifter" have solid riffs.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 February 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link

sund4r

j., Sunday, 19 February 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link

songs like "serve the Servants" aren't riffy but "Milk It", "Scentless Apprentice" and "Heart Shaped Box" have memorable riffs, even if they're simple and whatnot.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 19 February 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link

Serve the Servants has a really catchy riff!

chap, Sunday, 19 February 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link

I remember it more for its chorus (though the song is one of my favs on the album)

Neanderthal, Sunday, 19 February 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link

Dow-nah-now-nah-now-now dow-nah-now-nah-now-now dan-DOW! dan-DOW!

chap, Sunday, 19 February 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link

but yeah the idea that there's not riffs on this album is kinda o_O

Neanderthal, Sunday, 19 February 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link

every song on this has a memorable riff wtf

pointless rock guitar (Michael B), Sunday, 19 February 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link

I remember posting itt years ago saying this was an overrated album but i completely reversed course on that a few years ago. it was my go to for a while, esp when the reissue came out

Neanderthal, Sunday, 19 February 2017 17:35 (seven years ago) link

It will always be my fave by my fave band

Odysseus, Sunday, 19 February 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link

I know j. likes this album as much as I do. I think that maybe his point is that the hooks that come most immediately to mind for a lot of these songs like "Serve the Servants" and "Frances Farmer" are something other than an iconic heavy guitar riff. Tbf, though, this is probably true of a lot of classic heavy rock records. Not every Deep Purple song was "Smoke on the Water".

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 February 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link

like who in the world could listen to Very Ape and say that's not a good riff?

alpine static, Sunday, 19 February 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link

The only songs that aren't riffy are Dumb and Pennyroyal Tea.

― chap, Sunday, February 19, 2017 4:08 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Basically, yeah. With 'Dumb' I think of the cello part first.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Sunday, 19 February 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link

The Prodigy obviously thought 'Very Ape' was a good riff - they sampled it for 'Voodoo People'

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Sunday, 19 February 2017 18:23 (seven years ago) link

yes my point was about the character of the guitar parts more than their presence. i associate 'riffs' with a certain combination of sinuousness, chunkiness, and independence from the other parts (though obviously in a very riffy song where the guitar determines the rhythm section +/- rhythm guitar, the riff would only be independent in virtue of being 'in charge' of the overall effect the song presents). in general cobain's parts have kind of a sawtoothy invertedness to them, they're turned in on themselves, maybe overall a lack of vertical displacement in them that is emphasized by the way he tends to repeat them monotonously to form larger structures (often the repeat shows up because the riff just ascends ascends ascends straightforwardly, then starts over, that kind of thing). but novoselic also doubles those parts a lot, carrying them through under verses and such even after cobain has dropped out or moved on to noodling or noise-generation or a little complementary arpeggiating, so that the effect is sort of that it's never fully cobain who's playing the 'riff', it's a unison effort that picks up this or that texture or volume in passing. the same applies to the additional guitar parts he laid down, which are often variants on the original/core part that's already being shared with novoselic. so it's like there's one melodic idea that's been distributed out to the different players (multitracked players) with their different characters (more emphasis on rhythm-guitar-esque aspects, more emphasis on lead aspects, more noise, more drive, etc.) that makes the whole thing much fuller-bodied, more textured, but the motion of the idea is very counter-riffy in many respects because it never 'goes anywhere' (to the extent that it moves it often seems mainly on/off, up/down) and is repeated ad nauseam.

i had probably been listening to the live records of the period at the time i posted above, i.e., when they had pat smear playing, and i think those just accentuate the underlying effect, because no one really does much different than on the studio album, and smear and cobain tend to each cover pre-existent parts from the studio album, so each one is simultaneously a bit more independent-sounding but thereby more appreciably a copy/variant of the core idea.

i think of it as a testament to the band's group writing combined with the peculiarity of cobain's melodic sense. take a part in isolation and it often seems dumb and aggressively unmusical, but in concert they have an opposite effect.

j., Sunday, 19 February 2017 23:19 (seven years ago) link

their man who sold the world cover seems instructive in that regard because apart from the lead, they're left to more conventional rock-writing/arranging business when playing under the verses, in which you can still hear their tendencies as bass/rhythm players, and the long ascending bit which seems a bit nirvana-y in its way of solving the problem of getting somewhere - but really the lead that opens the song seems most nirvana-ish, except what it shows you is that a nirvana song would be just that, repeated over and over, played by everyone in the band w/ variations as described above.

j., Monday, 20 February 2017 00:19 (seven years ago) link

I feel liek "I Hate Myself and Want to Die" could have fit on this album

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 February 2017 00:32 (seven years ago) link

xp compare to everlong, which is, like, a perfect song, but utterly modern-rock conventional, with at least two identifiable motifs (the da-da-dadadada and the soaring bit that complements the vocal line, the former of which keys you immediately to expect it once you know the song, so that the first few notes are enough to awaken the anticipation for it) that get elaborated through a dramatic dynamic rather than one where all the parts are meted out simultaneously. i suppose what i have in mind then is that to some extent a classic type of rock riff has a context in which there's more dramatic motivic development (even if within the confines of rock song structures, harmonies, etc.), and nirvana songs typically forego a lot of the structuring techniques that would highlight their components as 'riffs' instead of as just the cores of the songs that are repeated with variation. which is what i meant about singing/remembering - a more 'riffy' part that you could sing or play by itself would call to mind much of the shape and motion of the song it came from, but nirvana parts feel more like they don't or can't lead you back to the whole song in that way, because what the whole song is, is not a development of that material, but a repetition of it. sing or play one of those by itself and what you would find instead is an image of the record with a lot just vanished.

j., Monday, 20 February 2017 00:35 (seven years ago) link

another way to put that might be that certain kinds of classic guitar riffs have a strongly gestural quality to them - what can be enigmatic and attractive about them is often how they twist around and seem to 'say something' whose meaning recedes as they're repeated (only to come back again). cobain's parts have a more fretful/obsessive character that when repeated makes their effect seem less like a gesture and more like a whole person is turned uneasily inward - so there's not a communicative, outward motion in the moving musical parts so much as there's a sustained, relatively thwarted agitation that you could register as if 'from outside' (or from within it, depending on how the music leads you to identify with it). the analogous motion is more like worrying at a fray or picking at a sore than it is gesturing to someone.

j., Monday, 20 February 2017 01:01 (seven years ago) link

that would also fit with the way their 'pretty' songs approximate mantras

j., Monday, 20 February 2017 01:33 (seven years ago) link

i always loved the (probably apocryphal) story that thurston moore told in the liner notes to the 2004 boxset. he was hanging out with dave and maybe krist right after they finished in utero, and they played a cassette of the rough mixes for him. the album opened with "moist vagina," and of course thruston totally flipped and thought it was like, the punkest thing ever. lol. great fucking song though. i like the sequencing fine on in utero, i think adding any more noise or heavy songs would throw it all out of whack.

flappy bird, Monday, 20 February 2017 01:49 (seven years ago) link

Idk I wouldve loved to see Hate Myself and VCV/Sappy in the tracklisting

That said, there's a weird sort of structure to the album pacing, where the band offers two rawer tracks before coming out with a big 'pop/rock' moment (usu. ballads, though not in the case of Heart Shaped Box, which is not demonstrably more 'pop' than say, Servants or Rape Me except for the S Litt production). So you have Servants and Scentless Apprentice, followed by HSB. Then you have Rape Me and F Farmer, followed by Dumb, and so on.

I guess what I'm saying is there probably is room for maybe MV/Hate Myself, followed by VCV, but I do run into flappy's problem about where that sequence would fit exactly

jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link

^^The B-Sides/Outtakes would have made for a killer follow-up stopgap EP, as was the style at the time.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link

Also: Kurt would have been 50 today.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link

I really can't imagine Cobain at 50.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 21:08 (seven years ago) link

Re the Litt production, my understanding was that he rerecorded the vocals and mixed, but the instrumentation is from the Albini session. And there was that German vinyl pressing which has the Albini versions, or am I making that up? I seem to remember they weren't even terribly different.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 20 February 2017 21:15 (seven years ago) link

Litt remixed/polished up a couple of tracks but that was about it.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 21:20 (seven years ago) link

I definitely think the Albini versions of HSB and All Apologies have surfaced somewhere

jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 20 February 2017 21:22 (seven years ago) link

What happened to Scott Litt, anyway? I remember he did that Green Day album, but seems like he's been more low profile as a producer since he finished working with R.E.M.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 21:24 (seven years ago) link

xp the albini versions are on the 20th anniversary disc 1, after the b-sides

j., Monday, 20 February 2017 21:51 (seven years ago) link

ten months pass...

their worst show ever according to everyone but kurt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWDU8OE_mBU

much of this not widely circulated until semi-recently... I've only ever listened to the unbelievably fucked up version of School at the beginning of the set. god he is such a mess. and then they start jamming... it rules. they're so bad

flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:10 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

"Scentless Apprentice" for me, still.

having great drumming from Grohl really amplifies it too, like the shift in the drumming pattern after the ascending single note riff.

plus that single note riff seems like it's wanting to be a violin on electric guitar.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Saturday, 28 January 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link

I'm only on a Nirvana kick lately as last week, at an outdoor beer festival, a stoner band randomly covered "I Hate Myself and Want to Die". pleasant surprise that.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Saturday, 28 January 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link

"Scentless Apprentice" is my favourite Nirvana song

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 28 January 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link

the live version on Muddy Banks of the Wishkah is pretty incredible too

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Saturday, 28 January 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link

"Milk It" also deserves plenty of praise. god that riff.

also you could like, do a 60s dance to the chorus

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Saturday, 28 January 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link

The #1 is an odd choice

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 January 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link

i do love it though. but it definitely isn't the peak of the album.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Saturday, 28 January 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link

such a great opening line tho

oscar bravo, Saturday, 28 January 2023 20:50 (one year ago) link

yup. I'd put it as my #3 i think

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Saturday, 28 January 2023 20:51 (one year ago) link

Very Ape is maybe my favourite song of theirs but it doesn't seem to get much love

Tanya Tagaq's is the only version of Rape Me I need and I tend to skip it on this

your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:02 (one year ago) link

that hypothetical next nirvana album with all the strings and shit - would it have been more stuff like all apologies or unplugged? would it have been more americana? baroque pop? chamber grunge? it's hard to imagine something radically different from what we have but who knows

your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:11 (one year ago) link

Always shocked when Cobain stifles a giggle at the final chorus of "Milk It", like a cartoon scribbled in the margins of a suicide note.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 29 January 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link

That giggle is one of my fav bits in any of their songs

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 29 January 2023 17:54 (one year ago) link

hmmmmTEHH MEEEEEE

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 29 January 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link

Anyway ask me 10 years ago I'd have said Pennyroyal Tea was my favourite on In Utero and now it's my least favourite (still very good). I don't think it's because I've worn it out either I just prefer the 11 others now (or 12 others - Gallons still retains its novelty somehow)

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 29 January 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link

I’d loftily dismissed Nirvana as a populist Pixies ripoff and tried to ignore them, but then this record came out and I was slapped across the face by how great they truly were. “Milk It” was the track that did it. Very few songs match its electricity.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 29 January 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link

xp Where does it say they wanted to do an album with strings?

I think the only evidence of the direction of the next album were "You Know You're Right" and "Do Re Mi," which sounds to me like some of it would have been their poppiest stuff.

billstevejim, Sunday, 29 January 2023 20:13 (one year ago) link

The first lyric of this LP was paraphrased, nicely, as the first line of SPIN Magazine’s review of Green Day’s Nimrod.

And it’s a fantastic way to start In Utero.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 29 January 2023 20:43 (one year ago) link

XP Courtney Love (or maybe Grohl) said Kurt was really into Automatic For The People and wanted to move in that direction.

The author was Jesse something

https://www.spin.com/2017/04/green-day-nimrod-review/

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 29 January 2023 20:49 (one year ago) link

They'd have been better leaving that remark for (the very good but noticeably more adult-sounding) Warning

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 29 January 2023 20:52 (one year ago) link

I don’t think Serve the Servants is an odd pick at all. Has one of the most iconic first lines of an album ever and lets you know that the entirety of the album In Utero is ahead of you.

But for real the ramshackle charm of it is undeniable, an amazing first statement post Nervermind, I probably voted for it.

circa1916, Monday, 30 January 2023 01:08 (one year ago) link

This album sounded better than anything blasting out of shit ‘94 Ford Explorer speakers, cassette ripped from CD. Like it was precision designed for it. Wore. It. Out.

circa1916, Monday, 30 January 2023 01:16 (one year ago) link

this is the first album i really remember going and buying on release day and coming home and playing it over and over and calling my friend Mark to talk about the songs

alpine static, Monday, 30 January 2023 07:51 (one year ago) link

yeah my brother and I played it on a dubbed cassette in a player I hacked into his 79 Corolla, it sounds like insanely hot Australian summer to me which is pretty hilarious

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 30 January 2023 10:07 (one year ago) link

Cobain gushed in his last Rolling Stone interview how R.E.M.'s Automatic.... had inspired him to record a string-laden Nirvana album.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 January 2023 10:38 (one year ago) link

I like the idea of them releasing an album that tells the Counting Crows where to stick it but it being 1996 so only going about 2x or 3x Platinum or something.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 30 January 2023 11:00 (one year ago) link

Always wondered how Grohl and Novoselic got co-writing credit on just “Scentless Apprentice”.

Anyway, “Dumb” is probably the best on the record. I love how the band used the cello on this album, Nevermind, and Unplugged

beamish13, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:21 (one year ago) link

I like the thought of their “man who sold the world” cover becoming a branching off point into a softer moody cello laden AftP influenced album

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link

same. also imagining Rasputina becoming enormous as the opening band on the next tour.

got it in the blood, the kid's a pelican (Doctor Casino), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:14 (one year ago) link

Anyway, “Dumb” is probably the best on the record. I love how the band used the cello on this album, Nevermind, and Unplugged

The de-cello'd Albini remix of Dumb is, well...

The song is great but but this specific Kurt quote about the song

"I’ve met a lot of dumb people. They have a shitty job, they may be totally lonely, they don’t have a girlfriend, they don’t have much of a social life, and yet, for some reason, they're happy."

became the basis of a long running in-joke between me and an old friend that Kurt wouldn't have liked us as socially anxious autistic people and I've never been able to hear the song the same way since (sorry Kurt I know you meant well).

you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:29 (one year ago) link

Always wondered how Grohl and Novoselic got co-writing credit on just “Scentless Apprentice”.

It's the only song on the album not originated by Kurt: https://www.stereogum.com/2029102/dave-grohl-demo-krist-novoselic-rey-washam-scentless-apprentice/music/

Vernon Locke, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 01:39 (one year ago) link

xpost I think Kurt envied those people, certainly didn't dislike them.

Mark G, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 07:50 (one year ago) link

I like them as songs but I was never crazy about the singles choices for this album, I just think it would have been quite the left turn had the first or second single been “Milk It”, or “Scentless..”

Or to put it another way - Teen Spirit, Come As You Are, Lithium etc are together broadly representative of Nevermind. Heart-Shaped Box and All Apologies don’t really hint at what is essentially noise-rock in several of the album tracks.

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 08:43 (one year ago) link

xpost no not at all, me and said friend used to jokingly make stuff up in one context and milk it (pun intended) all dry.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link

In Utero might be the hardest, loudest, punkest album to top the Billboard chart unless I subtract "punkest," which would allow Metallica and Def Leppard and Zep to join in the fun.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 15:26 (one year ago) link

^^^

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 16:33 (one year ago) link

I was about to say that it must have more feedback than any other #1 album, but then I remembered that Electric Ladyland and the Woodstock soundtrack both hit #1.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 16:37 (one year ago) link

xposts to Master, yeah, I remember as a teen trying to get into rock music and hearing "All Apologies" and telling my friend excitedly and he was like "lol none of the rest of teh album is like that"

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link

“You Know You’re Right” suggests a heavier (and better) direction they were heading in in comparison to some of the hypotheses upthread

zacata, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link

“all apologies” may not be as noisy but it’s maybe the most brutal and intense on the album emotionally.. a different kind of heavy..

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 20:42 (one year ago) link

It's a great one

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 20:54 (one year ago) link

Also, it is pretty noisy too.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 08:18 (one year ago) link

esp the whole climax post-buried which is like a contaminated noise that is barely able to stand up.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 08:20 (one year ago) link

In Utero might be the hardest, loudest, punkest album to top the Billboard chart unless I subtract "punkest," which would allow Metallica and Def Leppard and Zep to join in the fun.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, January 31, 2023 3:26 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

it has the most crushing drumming as well, with the possible exceptions of Led Zeppelin IV

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 10:14 (one year ago) link

Led Zep IV only a No. 2 album on Billboard tho (but it did top Cash Box and Record World). To the US what DSOTM is to the UK.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 13:48 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kpqo0eaxZ4

This is pretty well done. Really enjoy the Scentless Apprentice, Milk It, and Radio Friendly Unit Shifter.

peace, man, Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link

OMG, Scentless Apprentice is the sound of the most palm sweaty boss battle of all time. It's stressing me out.

Cow_Art, Sunday, 16 April 2023 02:45 (one year ago) link

_In Utero_ might be the hardest, loudest, punkest album to top the Billboard chart unless I subtract "punkest," which would allow Metallica and Def Leppard and Zep to join in the fun.


I mean, I love this album, but, like, Pantera and Slipknot exist

young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 16 April 2023 03:39 (one year ago) link

yah add them to the list, though they peaked after IU

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 April 2023 12:52 (one year ago) link

Slipknot

lol

a (waterface), Monday, 17 April 2023 12:20 (one year ago) link

This version of scentless apprentice is one of the craziest things I've ever heard

silverfish, Monday, 17 April 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link

NO SAVES ONLY ONE HEART LEFT FINAL BOSS AAAAAAARGH

Cow_Art, Monday, 17 April 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link

i hope i can remember to make scentless apprentice my #1 song of 2023, if i vote in the poll next year

it's a new day in the international landscape (z_tbd), Monday, 17 April 2023 17:30 (one year ago) link

it rocks so fucking hard. the vox are perfect

it's a new day in the international landscape (z_tbd), Monday, 17 April 2023 17:30 (one year ago) link


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