flying lotus: c/d, s/d

controversial!

reeeeally liked the "a milli" remix

are you for real?

yes

skool me vahid

Nothin wrong with Tea Leaf Dancers.

he's the great-nephew of Alice Coltrane

i'm really torn. i've listened to one of his mixes and it was pretty special. but his album kinda bored me.

I want to like him, but ditto on being bored by his album.

I like some of the indiviual components of his tracks, and even the overall feel of some, but yeah ditto.
the mix i heard started off great, and then went nowhere fast.

Nothin wrong with Tea Leaf Dancers.

yeah that's the one I've heard, the Reset EP. I dig it but not like "whoa I need to hear everything by this guy"

sweet photo ran with his New Yorker profile

http://www.newyorker.com/images/2008/12/01/p233/081201_r17997_p233.jpg

those white circles at the bottom are all his medicinal marijuana prescriptions o_0

holy

100% Fake 'live' show though. His transitions are already done and he just mimes and twists some eq/effects knobs.

and he has a King Ghidorah toy. that's what's up.

i actually like just about everything he's done that i've heard except the 1983 LP and the Jose James track.

Search: his "A Milli" remix
Destroy: his "Love Lockdown" one

if this is what you're referring to jordan this is dope imo

Can someone link to some of these mixes? I only know the album and the uh remix EPs.

http://www.newmixes.com/flying_lotus-essential_mix-sat-11-29-2008.html

what's so controversial about him

That's quite a (long) tracklist.

k, so i'm currently listening to Los Angeles, which i hadn't heard before, and it's pretty good. GNG BNG is amazing. what i'd heard before that i didn't like was 1983

Apparently that some people don't think he's amazing is controversial.

you should listen to Samiyam's reset ep moonship

flying lotus he has a lot of good tracks but sometimes gets a little samey
gng bng is great
xp

Also he apparently thinks that vaccines cause autism.

1983 has some good tracks, I really dug unexpected delight. I was looking real forward to the long lost album w/ daedelus and his wife but I really don't like a lot of daedelus' new shit

they cause scientology

controversial = long discussion on "wonky" thread about how great / not great he is. also he got essential mix of the year, but if you read the comments box on BBC it was very contentious.

i basically started the thread because i thought the conversation on the "wonky" thread could be extended without really derailing that thread too badly.

yeah vahid that's it

i always thought it was odd that he used the whole un-edited version but scratched the word "faggot"

his stuff makes more sense now that i see his massive weed cache

^^ red herring

los angeles was one of my favorite albums from last year and i think that essential mix is ace, too. i had no idea it got voted as the best.

i like this guy's music because it is unsettled/free and joyous (not in some kind of religious way; it sounds like he's having a great time), but it also sounds totally laser-focused.

nsfw

search:

Los Angeles was the best record of 2008 in my opinion.

But I'm sort of a Flying Lotus junkie. I listen to his complete output pretty thoroughly and frequently... but I'm from LA and he's the first local act I'd gotten way excited about in a really long time. Anyway, I have 4 different mixes of his and they are titled as follows:
The Black Fist
Live on Future Roots Radio 1/30/09
Essential Mix on Radio 1
BBC Radio 1 Sept '07

and they are all great.

Don't believe the 1983 disappointment in this thread, that's a really solid album. Grab the following in addition to the above mixes:
1983
Reset EP
Los Angeles
Los Angeles 1x3 EP

Finally, and this can both help or hinder my efforts of persuasion here, but I recently had a nice little streak of using acid once a month for the last 3 months. Every time I just put on a ton of Flying Lotus and it really, really delivered.

1983 kind of sounds like bad downtempo Mr. Oizo. His style wasn't refined enough by that point.

LOVE 'Parisian Goldfish'

album takes a while but when it kicks in it kicks it!

This album really makes me kinda wish that smoking pot didn't have such negative mental health repercussions for me. :-(

Auntie's Lock would go FASTASTIC in one of my nu-gaze-tronica sets

fastastic?

SLOWTASTIC

LA x 3 EP > Los Angeles. Floating on massive bass-driven clouds over gray and turbulent shipping lanes. "Endless White" sounds like Marsen Jules circa "Lazy Sunday Funerals", except better.

i'd been avoiding this dude for some reason, and i haven't heard a whole record (just some random youtube shit and a couple of cuts from the upcoming album), but i'm sold now. seems like he's good at both the post-dilla drum programming thing and the nu-synth thing. his remix of 'reckoner' is great too.

those couple tracks he's done with daedelus' wife are great

but yeah dude's really solid

He mimes his live shows. It's pretty ridiculous. All premixed and he just works the filters and delays, then poses like jesus. I thought the Chemical Bros. and Oakenfold were the bottom of the miming and posing possee but FlyLo is right up there with the worst of them. Either make your entire set live on stage or don't pose when you twist the delay nob.

it's kinda weird to expect these producers to do something that's related to what they do but not at all the same. reminds me of that mitch hedberg thing on comedians & acting, like "if i had worked my ass off to become a really good cook, and you said, 'alright, you're a cook...can you farm?'"

i guess the obvious answer is "don't play live", but it must be tough when you're not making shit off your records and getting offered well-paying gigs.

ive really come around on 'los angeles' too & looking fwd to the new lp

yeah i went from skeptic to total lotus stan in the last few weeks

The real record has leaked already (there was a milquetoast chillout album passed out as the real deal a few days ago). Sounds more busy and saturated than the last one so far, more jazz influence as well. Its hard to take in a single dose tho.

very excited about the new one. RobertaFlack is already one of my favorite tracks all time

I'm seeing him live next week, should be interesting

I think he's incredible live. Best thing I've seen at the SXSW fest in Austin in perhaps 8 years of going (whether that says more about his live show or my being easily impressed, I'm not sure).

Anyway... I'm no superfan (yet anyway), but highest recommendations to the live show.

The live set is good because it's prerecorded except for the delay/filters. He's a poser and a fake on stage. If you want to see a guy posing behind his laptop and twisting a couple knobs with greatly exaggerated movements, go for it.

Cool, can we also please talk about how Ashley Simpson is OMG SOOOO FAKE because she lip-synced on SNL?

Sure, it's a valid comparison.

I'm cool with that sort of thing if he has something visual going on and the live venue has a good sound system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWvlA5RLuf8 -VS- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RrLAgi_mBY

damn, those knobs be hot.

if you've ever assigned knobs to functions in Abelton Live, you know exactly what's going on in that clip. If you haven't, you think he's actually doing something.

serious question, what is a dude like this supposed to do live? make beats from scratch on the fly?

So "assign[ing] knobs to functions in Abelton Live" =/= "actually doing something"?

i think "faker" is a bit ridiculous as language for this, but what do you like a fly-lo artist to do in this context? live mpc playing? different mixes on the fly?

heh xposting there obv

"performance"

this dude shld ask ppl in the audience if they are having a good time at the show

he shld use his real name when referring to himself and telling anecdotes abt the tour

then say "have any of u assigned knobs in abelton live? if so u no whats going down here"

"but if u havent ur gonna think that if really doing smthn & the joke is on u"

then he can tear his sunglasses off & throw them into the crowd & start blasting the tunes

I can't tell from that clip if he actually is just playing with effects, but I agree that doing some on-the-fly sequencing adds a lot. He's probably doing a little bit of it - when he moves over to the laptop for a second he's likely clicking on the next row of 4 or 8 bar sequences - but using something like this would make a more exciting and genuinely "live" performance: http://lostinmusik.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/novation-launchpad-music-control-surface_1.jpg

oops, that's bigger than I thought.

or this

http://www.snyderphonics.com/products.htm

Unless the audio is off, it seriously doesn't even sound like he's messing around with effects. I mean, I hope I'm wrong, but it really looks like he's just randomly twiddling on the beat and occasionally "cueing" a new sample, but he does it a little late a couple times!

Again, someone please inform us on what he SHOULD be doing during a live set.

How about somebody explain High Places live. Nothing I saw really seemed to match what I heard. I am aware of my ignorance about his equipment and am seriously curious, not just looking for an argument.

It's fine if that's all he does to play his set, but the grandstanding and over the top knob twists annoy me.

why not just bill himself as a dj? then he can just play his own records, including a few unreleased remixes on cdr, plus that nsfw video, plus throw in a few trax by other people?

alternately he could a) get himself a theramin, learn to play it, b) set up a loop player or two and throw random rhythmic sounds played live on a spatula or tin can or whatever, bring them in and out of the mix, c) bring along his fave guest instrumentalist to add some live vibe, d) throw in some live keys every once in a while (or even build up tracks from semi-scratch, again via looping program) or e) or play live drums if he can - this worked great for the ting-ting's live show (no really, i saw them last year and they had a great live show considering how many canned elements there were to each song, simply on the strength of the programmer dude being a v. passable drummer and the energy that brought to the set)

the filter twiddling has it's place in electronica live pa's (it's sort of the equivalent of the cliched pick scratch at the end of a guitar solo) but does make for a pretty stale show if that's all you're ever doing on stage

in that flylo clip above it's a track from 'los angeles', but massively re-worked (new synth lines, tempo changes, etc.). so maybe he prepared it all ahead of time, but at least it's new shit designed for the live show.

folks could just say "his music sounds great in a club with a good sound system" instead of "he is great live"

Well, the music does sound great, yes, but it's also about the *show* -- and whether he is twiddling knobs, creating new beats on the fly or something in between, he's a great performer and plays a very engaging set.

Can we talk about the album?

"Table Tennis" is also great

so if the version I downloaded has a female robot voice saying at the beginning of "A Cosmic Drama" that "this is a compilation of beats completed july 2005" then it's probably not the real album huh?

I kind of hope this isn't the real album, it's kind of boring

listening to this flying lotus streaming thing now: http://flying-lotus.com/radio

he's got stephen bruner (dude who kills it on the nu-amerykah records) jamming along on bass. he's bad, but if he's all over cosmogramma then i can see why whiney made the sub-squarepusher crack (which seemed o_O).

i cant make up my mind about this album. its so all over the shop that its hard to latch on to any of it. but it does that approach better than hudson mohawke for instance, who just made a mess of his album. that first track with all the manic synth squiggles seems to be from some other track though that i cant quite think of. anyone know? its bugging me.

i don't know, i think that it has an identifiable sound that encompasses a lot of different shit (the usual beats & synths, bleeps, strings, the free jazz snippets).

that said i wasn't blown away on first listen like i was hoping, but it's growing.

btw track 2 is the only squarepusher-y thing on the record

so he now has set up his own label : brainfeeder (which ninjatune are going to dist. in the uk)
i was not overly impressed with the flying lotus album, but the lorn album, nothing else, thats coming out on his label is very good.
less twisting and turning glitch beats a la p73, more of a flow.
and at only 33 minutes, doesn't outstay its welcome,
also, sounds great.
which is probably why it has 'mastered by clark' clearly shown on the basic artwork.

Loving "Cosmogramma", particularly the increased jazz elements. It feels like a cohesive album, something I don't at all need or necessarily look for. I was a big fan of "Los Angeles" but feel like I'm on my way to liking this even more.

Picked this up, listened once... like it fine, can tell it's gonna be a big "grower" over the course of the year.

Okay Cosmogramma is 17 different kinds of awesome, but right now I can't get enough of "German Haircut".

i like it more & notice more detail every time i listen to it

Yeah, "German Haircut" is great. Honestly, the only track I could do without is "Table Tennis" and that's because of the vocals. At least it reminded me of this awesomeness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOKys_pN2c

Does anyone know what the guitar sample in 'dance of the psuedo nymphs', sorta sounds like one of the songs from 'the wicker man' soundtrack.

First half of first listen is underwhelming. Sonically this is very brash, when these elements ought to be dealt with a little more... carefully? He loses things in the mix. Maybe it'll reveal with more lessons. Mind you vie come at this after tbd Steve Mason, which is fucking beautiful.

Lessons = listens.

Wall Street Journal sez: Flying Lotus Soars

So this album is really excellent. When the scatting comes in on Do The Astral Plane straight form MmmHmm, my heart puts on a pair of shades. Very special.

its very special. though id have liked some of the tracks to be more developed.

This is sounding great, I like that each track is only a couple of minutes long, nothing outstays its welcome.

genuinely excited to see how he maps these parameters to knobs in ableton live

On second listen it's fantastic, it's the textures and the bombastic film soundtrack strings threaded through everything that really make it for me. I'm trying to work out what this sounds like a superior version of - maybe Amon Tobin's Supermodified?

it does kinda remind me of ninja tune ish stuff, cinematic orchestra, etc that kind of thing, just better and more fluid and more expansive, somehow more authoritative (and well just more american).

So, the review in The Wire seemed to think this was brilliant, or had the potential to be brilliant, but it was kind of a mess. Tempted to get it, but I'll probably read another review and listen to a few more tunes first.

It's awesome. Does take a few spins to really sink in, though.

Sweet. Review made it sound appealing -- the song or two I've heard so far were definitely different from what I usually listen to, but I'm intrigued.

It is kind of a mess. The first listen, it's totally overwhelming and "eep, what is this disjointed load of jazzwank!?!??!?" but somewhere around Mmmhmm it starts to make more sense. And so you listen again, and then you start seeing all the patterns and kind of spiderweb connections and then you listen again and then it's all WOW ACTUALLY THIS IS AMAZING that this thing that started out seeming like random noise flips and becomes a beautiful incredibly intricate lacelike web.

Precisely.

think it's cuz he smokes a lot of weed

Oh man, great post Masonic Boom! Bought this like an hour or two ago at the rekkid store. Can't wait to get into it more.

Did he really sample his mother's life support machine? I can't work out if that's moving or sociopathic.

Also what does the final track remind me of? It's really bugging me.

Is it something by the Avalanches?

really feelin this~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzqw6yKnvGQ

o daym

the lorn album is pretty cool, i guess, it's a good sounding record for sure. his drum are so pristine sounding (esp. compared to the other Brainfeeder stuff), it's what i imagine the samples are like on those expensive sample packs you see at guitar center or whatever.

'army of fear' is pretty dope.

I know i'm really late but that Essential Mix is great

Was just thinking of reviving this. Cosmogramma is growing on me, very very slowly. The good thing is that from the beginning I found it at least okay to have on, so it's got all this time to grow on me, and it's come in handy when I want something in the background. It's still like I don't really like it that much and yet I keep playing it, so what does that mean exactly?

That sums this guy up for me. Not quite great enough to have me playing this on endless loop, but far too engaging to be just background music. I suppose if I still walked places or smoked weed I would have more uses for this music. It's good to drive to, though!

i've been going back to 'los angeles' a lot lately and it feels a lot more detailed & visceral than this imo

I'd say LA is def. more visceral, Cosmogramma more detailed...

cosmogramma has all the orchestration, but i hear a lot more detail in the synths, weird background sounds, and rhythms in l.a.

btw i never caught that essential mix, would love to hear it if someone could hook me up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2dVGlCH2ag&NR=1

i posting this strictly for its awesome artwork:

http://imgur.com/N93xu.jpg

Pattern+Grid World is an upcoming EP by Flying Lotus. It was announced on the Warp Records website on August 17, 2010, and is to be released on September 20/21, 2010.

Track Listing:

1. Clay
2. Kill Your Co-Workers
3. PieFace
4. Time Vampires
5. Jurassic Notion/M Theory
6. Camera Day
7. Physics For Everyone!

So how is this other Flying Lotus thing?

The material is different enough from Cosmogramma to warrant its own EP. Not sure if these are leftovers or mostly new stuff he's just whipped up, but I like it.

scared to relisten because it keeps sounding more and more like squarepusher

but really, THE LORN ALBUM IS SICK

ok this is the best thing ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPLNK3mn7zE

don't like the new EP much myself, too chiptunes / drill & bass for my taste

what do you know, i agree! too squarepusher, i think i only listened to it once.

if i'm going to listen to chiptunes i'd rather listen to rustie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOHAXsJHPuw

ok this is the best thing ever - fyi song is ok, I was mostly referring to the video.

from his tweets, i'm going to guess this guy wasn't nominated for a grammy this year

flyinglotus Flying Lotus
Wonder if i have any chance in hell getting a grammy nomination this week. If I ever had a shot, this is the year./29 Nov

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flyinglotus Flying Lotus
BT, Chemical Brothers, Groove Armada??? are you serious??Grammys are a joke. FUCK YOU./2 Dec

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flyinglotus Flying Lotus
@thegrammys FUCK YOU/2 Dec

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flyinglotus Flying Lotus
@thegrammys You are jokes/2 Dec

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@thegrammys PussyAssNotknowingShitaboutREALmusicBitchMadeMotherfuckers/2 Dec

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@thegrammys you better hope I don't get a ticket to the party bitch/2 Dec

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@thegrammys suck a donkey dick/2 Dec

I want to like this, I really do, but it's squished to fuck and pretty much unlistenable to me.

the new one or cosmogramma?

cosmogramma is in my year top 10 but i think the new EP is pretty hard to listen to

Cosmogramma.

what do you mean squished to fuck?

Compressed. It's loud; all the instruments and elements in the mix are squished together and competing for attention, and it hurts my ears / head to try and listen to it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screenshot2010-12-31at143040.png

the intro to the first song is offputting to me. i'm learning to get beyond it, but the early cuts remind me of breakbeat, which always hurts my ears. i do like the jazzy progressions and flourishes i hear in some songs (e.g., pickled!).

Monster by Kanye:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screenshot2010-12-31at143429.png

Dance Yrself Clean by LCD (bot sure why only 1 channel??):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screenshot2010-12-31at143500.png

how do you feel about sidechain compression?

What's that?

Ah right, one band at a time. I feel the same way as I do about multiband and dynamic range compression, and compression on individual instruments / tracks etc etc etc. Which is that I am not against it per se, at all; I'm against records that come out of the other end sounding horrible. Any recording technique if used sympathetically can be awesome and make a record better. Equally, I think we're also at a point where relatively uncompressed (in all sense), naturally-recorded records now sound really fucking weird, leftfield, psychedelic, and experimental. And Sleigh Bells sound like Girls Aloud.

My ears hurt just looking at that Monster waveform.

Fwiw, I've enjoyed Cosmogramma a lot this year, but the compression issue is probably the reason why I never loved it and found it difficult to listen to regularly. I'm certain that its feel sound-wise contributed to its labeling as a 'difficult' or slept-on record amongst critics.

Aye; I don't think it would be at all difficult if it was better mastered. I think it'd be awesome. As for his spat on Twitter, maybe he'd have got a Grammy.

I remember someone complaining about FlyLo's set at Sonar being compressed to fuck, so maybe it's a production and not a mastering issue?

But then I don't really understand the distinction between the two for electronic music so uh

cosmogramma is in my year top 10 but i think the new EP is pretty hard to listen to

otm

holy crap you guys sound like grown ups

"great googly moogly! this new-fangled racket hurts my ears!"

also "reminds me of breakbeat" FTW

sadly, i am a grown-up.

lots of times i wish it were otherwise.

now, to ring in the new year, i will listen to dan fogelburg's old lang syne on repeat.

love that song to bits. "met my old lover at the grocery store . . . . "

anyhoo i am going to listen to three kenny burell LPs on blue note and THEN the flying lotus turned up super loud and get back to you on whether i succeeded in inducing a headache.

i feel like there are many layers to the sound and a great deal of implied space anyway in the beats, so i'm not sure what exactly's lost w/ the over-compression here that isn't made up for in other regards. or maybe it's just an aesthetic choice you don't like?

okay, i'm going to give cosmogramma another go.

Scik has major dislike for extreme compression in recordings. I know that and I hardly follow his every post.

a lot of this music makes heavy use of sidechain compression, as an effect. usually the kick is sidechained to another element of the track (the bass, a vocal, anything or everything) so that it pushes it out of the way on every hit. too much of it can make you feel kind of seasick when listening...i'm just wondering if that's what you're hearing instead of mastering compression.

(i haven't listened to cosmogramma in awhile so i don't remember how compressed it is or how sidechain-y, but the Teebs album is a good example of too much sidechaining for my taste)

yes Nick you should read up on sidechain compression -- it's not one band at a time, it's creatively applied by the artists at the mix stage. Jordan's describes it well and you know what it is, it's the sucking sound where the kick or snare or loud vocal hits seem to smack the rest of the mix out of the way for a second and then the mix inflates back up in the wake of it.

The technique also reduces dynamic range & allows for hotter mastering, which is why you hate it. But that's a taste thing and it's a world apart from your complaints about remastering -- people like the Daft Punk sound and you need to start distinguishing your argument against music ruined at the mastering stage and home producers like Flying Lotus who know what they're doing, even if it's not to your taste

I think I mentioned this before, but a year ago my dad, who has not listened to anything but classical radio for years, said that he finally figured out why he couldn't listen to the Beatles anymore, it was because their music had no dynamic range

then the mix inflates back up in the wake of it.

& not to go on about this too much, but sidechaining is what gives this record / Daft Punk their sense of rhythm, from pounding ones to lurchy swooping -- sidechaining is being used to compose the beats, it's integral. and even though the dynamic range is flat, it really churns the elements in the mix so it does drive the energy level higher

for the record I'm in the camp that's pretty grateful for your article. as late as 2006 I still heard people going on about how complaints about overcompression were just pro sound myopic whining and consumers didn't care -- but that's exactly why you've got to distinguish between older music that's being ruined and newer music that's living in it

I agree with Scik. Album is way too compressed to be truly enjoyable. It has no dimensions, no levels... you can't really separate the sounds in your head. It's the aural equivalent of a pixelated photograph.

Jordan, Milton: yes, now you describe it I recognise it. Not seen it referred to as side-chaining before, even when I was researching way back when, I don't think. Predictably, I don't like it! Aesthetic mixing choice by the artist or not, it's an effect that I find really unpleasant.

I'm currently "remastering" my old article for my blog, so I'll look into this further.

It is also sometimes referred to as "ducking" because the overall mix ducks behind the kick drum.

I'm kind of lost in the talk of compression and side-chaining, but I kind of get the gist. Anyone care for to give me a quick primer on this and what I'm supposed to see (and be aghast at) in those spectral images?

Lack of space, basically.

The Kanye's the worst because the waveform is clipped (i.e. flattened) at top & bottom; this means that sound has literally been cut out of the music in order to make it louder. Played on laptop speakers you probably wouldn't notice. On a good stereo it sounds like the edges of the sounds, instruments, vocals, etc have been chopped off - things are less distinguishable from each other, less sharp, and you get a weird digital hollowness sound where it vanishes.

There's barely any clipping in the Flying Lotus, but it is loud pretty much all the way through, which is going to make it tiring and lacking in excitement - it's like being shouted at rather than spoken to. What you can't see from the waveform is the sidechaining / inflating, which is audible as elements moving out of the way of, say, a kick drum, in the mix, when the kick drum hits. This, to me, just sounds really weird and artificial and I don't like it. (I don't much care for Daft Punk, as it happens.)

The LCD has plenty of space, plenty of definition, and lots of dynamic movements - quiet bits and loud bits. Think Pixies. It's exciting!

perhaps you would prefer The producer known as ACTRESS and his r&b concrète

i get the compression-aversion, but does it really ruin your enjoyment -- across the board -- of all albums you would otherwise enjoy?

does the actress album have more space and depth? it's a disc i admire more than i enjoy.

i can totally see where scik is coming from on this one tbh. this record is really hard to listen to for extended periods bcuz of how in your face the sound of it is. its not 'oooh its so loud im old' its just that it has no dynamic range which means its loud in a flatline way instead of a way that makes use of contrasting volumes.

when he describes it as shouting vs talking its a lil unfair. its more like imagining someone talking with the exact same volume & tonality on every word, so their sentences have no rise & fall ... its all just flatline.

i mean, you can say 'thats the point' all you want but its pretty offputting imo

i put up w/ mixtapes w/ shoddy mastering too but i also scrounge the internet for CDQs when i can find them for that reason

scik, thanks for the information. How does one read the spectrals? I think I know where it shows the space and compression, but what shows that it's loud -- the fact it stretches out far?

Rennavate, read this pronto http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/weekly_article/imperfect-sound-forever.htm

hey this is good album

Yes it is.

Still really want to like this, but find it so bloody odd to listen to. Asked Graham Sutton re; side-chaining and just blogged his response and my understanding of it in relation to this.

http://sickmouthy.com/2011/03/14/a-brief-history-of-side-chaining/

i completely disagree that flylo does it for loudness reasons. to me it's more of a musical/rhythmic thing...the point isn't just to make sure the kick is super loud, it's also to create some ebb & flow movement in the other parts. in some tracks the groove is constructed around the sidechaining, so it's hard to separate one from the other.

That may be so, but for me it just destroys something like MmmHmm; I can't ride the bassline cos it keeps vanishing, I'm trying to follow it and I'm having it pulled away like jerking a string from a kitten; my brain literally can't keep up and I get a headache. Also, many tracks (especially the first 3 or 4) end up being MEGA loud start-to-finish. I think the grooves would be better if it wasn't sidechained and pumping at me.

Do The Astral Plane would be fucking amazing if I could hear every note on that trumpet and all of the clicks on that percussion track. But they keep vanishing because of the fucking kick.

funny, i find the sidechain compression on cosmogramma to be pretty subtle and non-obvious. just listened to 'do the astral plane', and i don't think the trumpet and most of the high synths are even sidechained to the kick, just bass synth and some of the textural elements.

especially compared to something like this, where the whole idea of the beat is based on the sidechain compression (with a really hard ratio): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXhdEgCqhJo

has Graham heard the FlyLo album and pinpointed those instances as actual side-chaining? to me it just sounds like he's working with a wobbly/queasy-sounding beat, on purpose, but obv i could be wrong (i love it tho)

Graham hadn't heard it, no; I'm just picking bits that I find awkward to listen to and that seem to be suffering. The psychology of listening is an odd thing though; the trumpet in Astral Plane might not be tied to the beat, but the beat's stopping me catching it all.

Cos ultimately you can't prove with a waveform or with writing about a particular technique what the exact technical reason is for not liking a sound or feeling that a song sounds wrong (all a waveform can prove is that something's loud and/or clipped), it's just a way of trying to point at something empirical when explaining so that people understand what you're saying more. I don't record or play music; I just listen, and maybe that means that Jordan and I are going to hear things differently.

Like, I know I had to turn Cosmogramma down to listen to it a minute ago, and I know I just had to turn The Magic Position by Patrick Wolf up to set the treble free and stop it sounding muddy (and that's not a quiet record by any means).

i do think it's something that my ears have acclimated to over time, same with the rhythmic aesthetic of some of this music (which the sidechain compression contributes to).

and yeah, this year i've spent a lot of time at home playing with compressor settings, and that's helped me to be able to better pick out what's going on in other people's music. not to say i never find it distracting, like anything else it can be a great musical tool or it can be used badly/unnecessarily.

The sounds on Cosmogramma are SUPPOSED to move in and out of the mix surely? That's part of the appeal for me.

Oh totally; my point is that to some people it's part of the appeal and to others it's a barrier to the appeal.

Q&A with markers flying lotus re: music he grew up with >> here <<

But this is where it gets embarrassing [laughs]. I was also listening to shit like Korn. And I first started checking out Metallica on their album with all the strings, S&M. Stone Temple Pilots, Smashing Pumpkins, all that. But yeah, girls didn't like that shit. I had trouble meeting girls. No one was trying to talk to me like that.

have to say, a couple of these jonwayne tracks are dope:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKv4c_RM68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9QIE2uhiz0

lots of unreleased tracks & remixes: http://soundcloud.com/flyinglotus

I think Cosmogramma is even better than I thought it was last year. (On my unimportant EOY list I put it down lower than I would now, probably partly because I didn't want the top to be dominated by indie media picks.)

most of the tracks on cosmogramma are way too busy.. can't get past the excess

flying lotus lovahs might be interested in the free 2.5 hour mix he put out today, LOVERS MELT 2:

http://www.stonesthrow.com/news/2011/07/flying-lotus-lovers-melt-2-mixtape

hope a tracklist eventually emerges...

^^this mix is amazing, really in-depth brazilian stuff and psychedelic music, just fucking amazingly strung out...some stuff you'd know like marcos valle and lots of stuff i'd never heard. needs to be bigged up more really, i only like a few flying lotus tracks but this is brilliant.

i like a lot of the sketches he's been putting up on soundcloud more than cosmogramma. much less busy/overcooked, more tossed-off brilliance.

don't know about this thundercat record. i get it, it's cool that it sounds like a '70s curio, but there's not much here that i want to come back to.

only heard one song (cover of a george duke song) and it was pretty great.

I really liked the tune that was made into the "Dance Floor Dale" video, but the full-length didn't have anything else like it.

the george duke cover is the best thing on the record. i did think some other tracks might be jaxon-friendly though.

did anyone else listen to that lover's melt mix upthread yet? right up your street in particular, jaxon, i'd say.

what is the last "beat" mix he did?

I thought thundercat just played bass, when I saw him a while ago he was pretty sick on it, didn't know he put out his own shit

he plays bass and sings on it, flylo produces, his brother plays drums, i guess austin peralta is playing most of the keys, etc

I'll check it out

the george duke cover is the fucking bomb!!!

but weren't 4 hero and as one and innerzone orchestra doing this sort of thing 10 years ago?

Link for the The Lovers Melt 2 mixtape expired.

Yeah I wanted to hear that mixtape or see a tracklist for the matter.

Ok you can find it here alongside some hints of 4 or 5 tracks inside.

http://thefoxisblack.com/2011/08/05/flying-lotus-lovers-melt-2/

cant decide about the duke cover. it seems like one of those covers where they think purely by slowing a song down it becomes deeper. which of course is false. the original actually has more emotional depth by being fast.

its not quite like 4hero. no drum n bass breakdown at the end! (heard their version of rotary connection the other day and forgot it wasnt rotary until the drum n bass kicked in mid way).

am really digging this Thundercat album; just in the nick of time too lol

great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3284D6gRH0k

new album leaked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SuQGfk9Gmgo

Video for Putty Boy Strut by Cyriak.

please tell me he's at least sounding more like rustie than squarepusher these days

i could not get into pattern-grid world at all

this album is quite alright. I don't really remember anything about his other albums other than I enjoyed them at the time so I can't really compare them. I suspect that will be my response to this one a couple years down the road.

Is Rustie the dude who had Seinfeld theme-style slap bass on his album?

nope

u talkin about Thundercat?

mh is correct. "Hover Traps" is the slap bass track

this record is so damn good. it sounds beautiful too, maybe his most hi-fi? or maybe it's just that there aren't as many layers so each sound speaks better.

That makes me very excited indeed.

I used to be all about this dude but I could care less about what he's doing now idk why

Cos the last album was squished to hell and totally doesn't last.

i haven't felt like listening to his records in months, so i'm really happy to want to listen to this on repeat.

yeah i like this

Jazz pianist Vijay Iyer covers "MmmHmmm":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l24vNfJ3pc

Really anxious to hear this, holding out until I can pick it up next week. I've really loved p much everything he's done. Most excited for the track with Erykah, but I'm afraid I may be building my expectations up too high.

this is pretty chill, loose

I don't like this anywhere near as much as Cosmogramma, which had that whole enormous swirl feel to it even when it felt pretty loose and unstructured. This one feels more straightforward and somehow duller at the same time and I still don't feel like it's really going anywhere.

I wish he'd indulge his soundtracky tendencies more and his jazz influences less often. This one feels really murky.

but richard-san gave it an 8.5 in pfork

it's funny that i'm the first response in this thread talking about his "a milli" remix. i'm not sure i listened to more than three tracks by him since then but when i saw him at pfork fest this summer he dropped the "a milli" remix like 5 minutes into his set.

Just picked up the new one. Enjoying it thus far.

I like the new album a lot so far. Reminds me of the new one by Lorn.

for whatever reason i am not jazzed about the new one

scik how's the waveforms on these? enough dynamic range for ya?

oh wait, i remember why i'm not jazzed

http://streetgiant.com/files/Flying-Lotus-Pattern-Grid-World.jpg

oof

I bet its's like hip hop but all fucked up

nah dude that's GLITCH MOB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qQICv5VkAI

this might be better than anything on until the quiet comes? absolutely breathtaking

http://www.emusician.com/artists/0767/flying-lotus/149551

good nerdy interview/article

this might be better than anything on until the quiet comes?

wouldn't say that, but I like it. also that channel plays a lot of good (and unreleased) stuff

Austin Peralta, dead of accidental OD at age 22.

RIP

was it alcohol + prescription drugs?

CoD is undetermined but someone in Allan Holdsworth's band mentioned accidental OD in a now-deleted online post.

Wasn't sure to post this here or in the Dogtown & Z-Boys thread. :-\

he looked a lot like his dad

really sad about this, so much lost potential. he's really the secret weapon on UtQC, credited on almost every track.

this full set by his jazz band has some really nice moments:
https://soundcloud.com/alphapup/austin-peralta-live-at-futura

Had not heard "FLOTUS" until today. Really amazing track.

As far as his albums go, while Cosmogramma and UtQC are good, and his sound is certainly evolving, I don't think that either follow-up is as good as his debut. Los Angeles is still my fav.

^not his debut

i never knew that he did a bunch of tracks for a jose james record:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1WpzCvZJ_g

true, although i've found that 1983 plays like an EP more than anything

just dropped a zip file on twitter with a bunch of unreleased tracks and demos :D

FLYLO ‏@flyinglotus 10m

ft...
shabazzz palaces
thundercat
dj mehdi
baths
niki randa
andreya triana
viktor vaughn
earl sweatshirt
mapei
and yeezus

yessssss what a guy

http://soundcloud.com/flyinglotus/coronus-the-terminator

couldn't make it all the way through

:-(

really, why not? it sounds like a madlib/badu track.

i don't really like erykah badu ... i guess maybe i don't have enough appreciation for r&b?

r&b wasn't the first thing i thought though - i was more reminded of early/mid-00s broken beat

huh. you mean like Cinematic Orchestra 'Every Day'? 'cause that came to mind, but just because they're referencing the same '70s spiritual jazz vibe.

the flylo track though, except for the drums it sounds like it could actually be a lost, idk, Norman Connors record or something.

no i mean something different ... but what i'm thinking of, now that i think of it, was never quite as downtempo as flying lotus, or at least nothing comes to mind immediately

i understand what you're saying about the influences but to me it sounds really lightweight

i like that track

so ...

i understand you could listen to a stream of this with a full length animated movie called "psychedelic death trip". did anybody see it? was it cool? any way to watch it now?

I watched what I now know was the start of it, but as it said it was a 'live-stream', and as I had no idea if it began from the start of in the middle, I gave up on it. Have listened on spotify, man, the beginning of this album is chaotic. The visuals were kinda cool, though. And the music is cool as well, though VERY fusion-y. Sounds a bit like an update of late-nineties thrill jockey chicago jazz post-rock.

album is great though too short

Every time this guy puts an album out I get lured into buying it and every time they give me a headache.

try until the quiet comes instead... clues in the title ;)

i like the new album, i prefer him doing fusiony speedfreak jazz to transcendent stuff, which always seems to sound lightweight when brainfeeder producers do it, i could do without the rapping overall, and i think its a pretty exciting album, but the appeal/energy is mainly just in the pace, how quick it jumps from style to style, you never get a chance to really get into it. i would like to hear a 'complete you're dead sessions' record.

Good.

i really like the record. i'm kinda torn on the jazz tracks, i like the slower/more melodic/beat-oriented material better but on the other hand, if only jazz groups making records paid this kind of attention to sound and production. i love how the live drums sound like they're redlining/breaking up whenever the kick hits.

it opens up for me after 'coronus'. 'turtles' is especially great and the melody reminds me of Tortoise (ha), so i can see what Frederik is saying.

A couple really good tracks, the Kendrick one (though I find the kick that comes in at the end infuriatingly sloppy and simple for the track) and that one with the vocal oohs and aahs alternating, but I'm not really into this very much. I agree with Jordan that other jazz albums would be great with such production. Tbh this album just makes me wish thundercat was a better songwriter

serious question, what is a dude like this supposed to do live? make beats from scratch on the fly?

― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:53 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Guess the answer to this was: have a very expensive light show

lol

Play jazz fusion?

he said in an interview that that would be too expensive (bringing a band).

funny that you can listen to the 30 second Amazon preview clips and hear most of the record.

he's live-tweeting the album now and apparently 'Turtles' is based on a Morricone sample, which explains why it sounds like Tortoise :)

im getting andre influenced outkast feels on parts

apparently hes doing a few live shows with a band, at least i hope he is as i bought tickets for the london show next month.

I feel like the jazzier he gets the least interesting he becomes - I've enjoyed each album since Cosmogramma less than the previous one, it feels like there are far fewer elements swilling around in the mix, a more organic feel to everything, but worthier and duller at the same time.

Cosmogramma is a little too dense for me, it might be my least favorite, but i do feel like Thundercat might be a crutch at times. he's great and all, but it seems like an easy way to create motion in a track, and i kinda miss the solo approach of Los Angeles and Pattern + Grid World.

doing jazz fusion doesnt automatically = worthy and dull

its not like hes making 20 minute jazz suites, hes doing something pretty unusual with it all, even if that is simply on account of how fucking compressed it all is (if i could change one thing about youre dead, it would be that, but then maybe it really WOULD sound worthy and dull)

flying lotus has actually been a little bland since day one i think... great at atmosphere and everything but hes never exactly been 'edgy'. both LA and UTQC were close to musical wallpaper, even if they never quite got there. id argue between this one and cosmogramma that the jazzier he gets, the more interesting and edgier he actually becomes. when hes doing straight (relatively speaking) beats, his music becomes quite polished and slick, etheral bordering on schmaltzy. hes an odd producer who manages to make tracks sound somewhat 'organic' but only in so far every 'organic' touch has been perfected to death. when he works with thundercat, he has to let some of that go, which i dont mind at all.

ah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so7WUf6hMk8

(so i apparently the tortoise-esque melody is not from sample after all)

Just heard You're Dead! today and I'd say it's a mixed bag, a bit too hyperkinetic for me at times... I recall enjoying UTQC quite a bit more... but I'll definitely give it multiple spins and see what I think over time.

Good grief this guy's records sound fucking horrible.

his albums have a tendency toward noisy, over-compressed, clattery, too busy, fragmentary, and this one is no different. Love it!

I'm glad he's carving out his own path, he's got a vibe that is instantly recognizable and you aren't going to get it anywhere else

posts very much in character.

as well as the suggestion that more jazz artists should make records with this much attention to production, i would add that they should unnecessarily compress them as well, if only as it allows you to get away with making 'trad' stuff sound... not as trad.

No, fuck that. Not at all. The Polar Bear record does a lot of (but not all, and it has it's own ambitions too) what this guy tries to do and it sounds amazing and not trad at all.

Caribou manages it.

Not saying he should be like them aesthetically or compositionally, btw - I really like the idea of what he does - just, y'know, drum sounds and space in the mix and clarity. They both do chaotic tumbling distortion and noise that's blissful rather than horrible.

any recommendations on 21st century electronicish stuff that is jazzy but goes WAY more pretty and minimal than most of the stuff I've come across? ie Bill Evans/Miles as ref point rather than Coltrane et al?

The new mndsgn is kinda like that I guess

It gets a lil too simple for me but it's pretty peaceful

http://youtu.be/cwFnZWlVVl4

i prefer him doing fusiony speedfreak jazz to transcendent stuff

Definitely. I like this album and Cosmogramma a lot but UTQC bored the fuck out of me

not quite miles/gil influenced but there was the medeski martin wood album the dropper in 2000 which was basically an organ jazz album engineered like a 90s hip hop record that ive always liked...

*bill, not gil

just, y'know, drum sounds and space in the mix and clarity. They both do chaotic tumbling distortion and noise that's blissful rather than horrible.

You bring this up every couple of years but comparing him to Caribou is revealing. Because Caribou records (especially the new one) sound like a live band playing dance-influenced music, albeit more stiff and rhythmically awkward than that would generally be live. But also it's one of the reasons why 'Sun' sounds so weedy when you hear it in a set with loads of other house music on a big system, in a dancefloor context you need that big sidechained kick sometimes. Good dance producers know how to create space around the kick, Caribou's music has so many sonic elements it sounds lightweight and cluttered at the same time.

Of course, Flying Lotus's music isn't meant for the dancefloor and is entirely intended to be massively brash and have dozens of elements coming at you full on at the same time, part of the whole appeal is the oversaturated nature that repels you so much. But actually the most revealing thing you've posted on this is:

That may be so, but for me it just destroys something like MmmHmm; I can't ride the bassline cos it keeps vanishing, I'm trying to follow it and I'm having it pulled away like jerking a string from a kitten; my brain literally can't keep up and I get a headache. Also, many tracks (especially the first 3 or 4) end up being MEGA loud start-to-finish. I think the grooves would be better if it wasn't sidechained and pumping at me... Do The Astral Plane would be fucking amazing if I could hear every note on that trumpet and all of the clicks on that percussion track. But they keep vanishing because of the fucking kick.

Which is really weird to me because I personally don't find these elements difficult to follow at all, maybe I'm just used to a big kick sound in my music, so I barely even notice it except as an ongoing pulse. But IMO FlyLo's music would lose more than it gained by being mixed in a more conventional or organic way, it'd just be another proggy jazz record, which is fine if you like that sort of thing but it wouldn't be particularly noteworthy in an electronic music context.

Good post !

couldn't read it, there was all this stuff about a kick

Also I listened to Cosmogramma again earlier today and, while the first few tracks are really loud, with every sound right up in your face, it's hardly like the whole album is mixed like that. There's a lot of subtlety in there as well, things moving in and out of the mix. Scik talks about Polar Bear upthread but what I've heard from Polar Bear is recorded as a traditional ensemble with some added electronic elements. You can never fully ascribe intentions to musicians but Flying Lotus clearly doesn't want you to listen in that way, it's meant to be a swirling smoky cloud of sound with things drifting in and out, and at other times an overwhelming swarm of noises coming at you. There's not much in the way of conventional space, but there isn't meant to be, and there doesn't need to be when the TEXTURES are so interesting and constantly changing. Recording it like a Polar Bear album would lose all that.

Yeah, Caribou's always been a bit weedy on the bottom end, until this album at least, and particularly on those first few albums.

Part of the issue is that I don't go out dancing to this music (or any music, really), so it's all about home-listening to me (even if Caribou and FlyLo records aren't really about dancing to, obviously), and my home-listening is atypical to most, and FlyLo records are clearly not made for how I generally listen, even if the aesthetic appeals.

I very much mean the current Polar Bear album, which is very different to their previous records and doesn't really have that 'live band' feel; there are a lot of programmed beats that the drummer plays around, and some tracks that really move into hazy drone territory. It's much more electronic feeling than anything else they've done. That said, it is still jazz first, and it's also quite minimal.

I listened to Cosmogramma yesterday and, after the first couple of red-lined tracks, I did enjoy it much more than I remember doing previously; UTQC really irritated me when I played it on Friday night, though.

I just think he could do what he does better sonically, without having to compromise the vision of what he's doing or the aesthetic he's going for.

Chuckled when I read this, and immediately thought of Scik:

https://twitter.com/flyinglotus/status/521324219423277058

Ha!

actually the fusiony stuff on this reminds me a lot of the jazzier squarepusher records. Really liking it so far.

like esp Music is Rotted One Note

kinda sucks it's like a really watered down version of cosmogramma. this guy really fell off.

Pissed about the Kendrick Lamar guest spot?

worst song on album though

not even sure what that song is doing there. i guess to grab some attention after his disaster last record. he's so far away from cosmogramma right now. inventiveness, cohesion, arrangement, sound, melodies, energy.

"a live band playing dance-influenced music"

most dance music that has ever been created has been played by live bands btw

lol this is the first album of his I've really loved

i really like the hectic jazz fusion parts at the beginning, lukewarm on the more "beats" oriented second half

Same here. The first half is the Flying Lotus I've liked the most so far, because on past records I've mostly felt like he was doing something interesting but constrained by a slightly tired "beats" paradigm.

ok that new video for is very wtf

I feel like the jazzier he gets the least interesting he becomes
― Matt DC

i kinda miss the solo approach of Los Angeles
― festival culture (Jordan)

Yes and yes

i think there is an ongoing snobbery - more in the uk than the us i would say - against jazz fusion that i think is unmerited. im suspicious of people who think its all just 'wanky' or 'noodly'. its like something q magazine readers would say.

also, youre dead is only really about 50% jazz

his transcendental stuff like on cosmogramma i think is all superficial and just window dressing but the stuff on youre dead is really good, if not exactly original, but the originality comes in the editing, not the performance itself

cosmogramma by far his best, brilliant, almost like he didn't do that

this album is not worthy of much attention

thus spake tanuki

stilladvance otm

dont think im going to pay to see this guy live again - three times he's been billed as having a 'full live band', and unless hes really into hiding musicians where no one can see, all he comes with is a laptop. which is fine if you want to hear an ableton set with some occasionally memorable visuals but i didnt pay £35 for a glorified dj set. he is also a pretty boring rapper, if he isnt changing the pitch of his voice. i did like his specs however.

is his dj style still a bunch of stuff kinda mashed together? I haven't been amazed by the mixes I've heard from a few years back.

basically, yeah. all pretty much pitched at a 'party vibe!' level. so none of the jazzier tracks, no real sense of ebb and flow (i know asking for a journey/narrative from mixes is corny, but when done well, its great), which is what i would expect after the latest album. it was just one big smashed together club set (with some dj rashad tracks here and there) where everything seemed to blur into one mush. kode 9s DJ set before the show had some cool tracks, but i dont know if it was him, or his equipment, but he made some serious clunkers (dizzee's sittin her being mixed into footwork sounded terrible).

this is sounding great so far:
https://kutmah.bandcamp.com/album/blk-smr

"coronus, the terminator", wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

and "siren song"!!!!

so good

Found it surprising that this didn't make the top 77 of 2014. Yeah, it doesn't really maintain the breakneck fusion pace of the first couple of tracks but there are still plenty of ideas in the latter half.

he should prob stop tweeting for a while.

https://twitter.com/flyinglotus/status/743485020241698817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

My art is like a sacred vagina,I'm very selective of who I let smash and prefer it not to be fondled inappropriately

was excited to get free tickets to see him this weekend but then i remembered he’s kinda been acting shitty recently ...

This guy has always been an overrated asshole but I’d feel better having my instincts proven right if he’d ever mattered to more than a few thousand geeks who only discovered IDM in the 200xs

Well, I was disappointed to find out he's such an asshole because I enjoyed his last few albums and I was the type of person who looked down on IDM nerds in the 90s because they were too uptight to dance. So congrats, I guess?

having trouble parsing what you wrote there, tombot

curious though why you think he's always been an asshole?

He's saying he knew Flying Lotus sucked both as a person and musician all along, but would feel more vindicated if his fans were higher up on the coolness totem pole.

i got the first part

second part seems like a parody of the worst impulses of early ILM ... judging music primarily by judging its fans, bad sociology masquerading as music criticism

still curious why you thought he was an asshole all along?

on the topic of judging music primarily by judging its fans, i have it on good authority that he's crossed over with the festival trap crowd (TNGHT fans) so not expecting to see many IDM geeks there, instead expecting lots of bros in tshirts and fluorescent sunglasses

I'm disappointed by how much he's been coming off like an edgy Reddit bro lately, but I still like his records.

Because everyone who wasn’t into my shit, but knew what I was into, told me it was awesome and I had to check it out, so I did, and meh

I’ll get into this tomorrow after sleep and coffee

xp yes whereas i found the "you're dead" imagery a little off-putting but still acceptable, i have no desire to go anywhere near kuso

Because everyone who wasn’t into my shit, but knew what I was into, told me it was awesome and I had to check it out, so I did, and meh

Long lost verse from "Losing My Edge"

ha!

yo tombot ... i'm waiting ...

Oh right.

When people I trust recommend things to me, including critics I follow writing positive reviews, and those things disappoint me, I end up disliking those things in a way that is different in both category and degree from the way I dislike, say, mediocre club music, or any other by-the-numbers shit you care to name. Hate is too strong a word. But it certainly factors in the disappointment with the person(s) who recommended the thing, and then bundles that with the thing itself, plus the money I no longer have because I spent it on the thing that was recommended. Anyway, that's probably normal and not at all interesting so thanks for reading!

Great run, guys.

??

I've paid no attention to him but liked his albums well enough. He opened for solange the other night with 3d projections and those, in conjunction with the contact high I got from everyone around me smoking, gave me a fairly credible LSD flashback experience so that was neat.

yes i am seeing the 3d show - how was it?

well i guess you said it was neat, can you tell me more? was he playing new music?

I'm honestly not familiar enough with all of his stuff to say. He did about 35-40 minutes (it was an opening slot after all) and the 3d animations were really impressive, great graphics.

it was ok

would have been pretty mad had i paid - they were asking $35 for it

he played this, it was ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XY0EHSXyk0&feature=youtu.be

try again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XY0EHSXyk0

damn, that new video is awesome. been wanting to catch his new tour, def gonna grab tix. dude gets close to no love out here in Denver but he keeps coming thru, praise

he projected the video behind himself when he "played" it. the projections were really crisp and the 3d was very impressive

i was disappointed though that overall the 3d animations didn't really have any theme or narrative. as my friend put it, it was a bit ... windows screensaver-y

definitely felt like they were just throwing up whatever 3d animations they had come up with. some of it had an outer space theme, some of it was body horror, some of it was like random 90s cyberdelic stuff, some of it related to his old albums. just a grab bag of random shit.

but yeah, taken piece by piece it was impressive

the opening act was some dude named pbdy who was ... not good

i can't find what he played online anywhere but it was laptop music that sounded like a cross between witch house, modern classical, "weightless" grime and drill and bass. not good, though.

a lot to unpack with this new one . some pretty cool shit so far though

Listening now, so far it seems well within his comfort zone, a lot of familiar off kilter beats and bass riffing, a bit less abrasive than some of his previous work. Very listenable, but not exactly revolutionary.

Haven't listened to the new one yet, but none of the singles got me going (except for Lynch), and I really liked You're Dead!. Honestly I'd like to hear a Thundercat-less FL record again. It's kinda cool how their sounds have become inseparable, but I wonder what he would do on some track without the 'just add Thundercat' plugin.

I always like his Twitter commentaries on the tracks. Love that 'All Spies' is straight-up the music from the Spy vs Spy NES game.

Liking the 2nd half of the record a lot

More spacious, the Solange track is really nice

i fuckin love flying lotus

are you a spy mister?

Re-listening to jonwayne's debut 'Bowser' and it holds up, such well-written tracks and rich video game synths. Better than all the retro-sounding indie game soundtracks around today. Probably my favorite non-FlyLo record to come out of the Low End Theory scene (along with Bad Vibes, and the first Teebs album).
https://open.spotify.com/album/2SURtVuzzUeELq1yAEWodw?si=DX-TRlTxQtehMBrMmfLy6Q

I love the part in the Stones Throw doc where jonwayne rolls out of bed and like immediately smokes a j and starts working on beats.