VOTING THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Shoegaze / Dream Pop / Post-rock TRACKS poll (ends OCT 25)

Rules:

You will be allowed up to 40 choices. You will have 800 points to split between your 40 choices, in any combination you see fit with the proviso that none score more than 50 points, so if you wish to give 16 tracks 50 points you can.

Alternatively if you wish to give an ordered list it will be marked #1=40 points...#40=1 point, any unordered lists will be given a default 20 points.

Deadline will be 23:59 BST on 21st October 2010

Send your votes to motelmoka(at)gmail.com with the title 'ILM SHOEGAZE VOTES' this will be the address you should use for any queries, correspondence, fan mail etc. If anyone wants to write a few lines (or more) on their favourite piece of shoegaze/dreampop/post.rock etc please do.

List of Nominees:

A.C. Marias - One Of Our Girls Has Gone Missing
Accelera Deck - I Believe It
Acid King - Sunshine and Sorrow
Adam Franklin and Bolts of Melody - Yesterday is Gone Forever
Adorable - sunshine smile
Afterglow - fall behind
Airiel - Firefly
Airiel - Thinktank
Airiel - peoria
Airiel - You Kids Should Know Better
Alcest - Printemps Emeraude
The Amps - Breaking the Split-Screen Barrier
Amusement Parks on Fire - Out of the Angeles
Area - Sincerly Charlotte
A.R. Kane - Lollita
A.R. Kane - A Love From Outer Space
A.R. Kane - So Far Away
A.R. Kane - Spermwhale Tripover
A.R. Kane - Suicide Kiss
A.R. Kane - Up
Arthur Russell - She's the Star/I Take This Time
Arthur Russell - Let's Go Swimming
Arthur Russell - Calling All Kids
Asobi seksu - thursday
Asobi Seksu - Strawberries
Asteroid No 4 - What A Sorry Way To Go
A Sunny Day in Glasgow - Our Change into Rain is No Change at All
Auburn lull - stockard drive
Auburn lull - axis nearshis name is alive - love's a fish eye
Auburn lull - a harbored distance
Autolux - Turnstile Blues
Bailter Space - Remain
Bailter Space - X
Bang Bang Machine - Geek Love
Bardo Pond - Tommy Gun Angel
Bark psychosis - absent friend
Bark psychosis - a street scene
Bark Psychosis - From What is Said to When it is Read
Bird Nest Roys - Jaffa Boy
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Whatever Happened To My Rock & Roll
Black Tambourine - Black Car
Bleach - Dipping
Blind Mr. Jones - Dolores
Blonde Redhead - 23
Blondie - Shayla
Blur - 1992
Blur - Battle
Blur - Down
Blur - Oily Water
Blur - Sing
Boards Of Canada - Dayvan Cowboy
Boards of Canada - Corsair
Boo Radleys - Butterfly Mcqueen
Boo Radleys - Does This Hurt?
Boo Radleys - Everybird
Boo Radleys - Fosters Van
Boo Radleys - If You Want It, Take It
Boo Radleys - I Hang Suspended
Boo Radleys - Kaleidoscope
Boo Radleys - Lazarus
Boo radleys - lazy day
Boo Radleys - Losing It (Song For Abigail)
Boo Radleys - The Finest Kiss
Boo Radleys - Spaniard
Boo radleys - smile fades fast
Boo Radleys - Swansong
Boo Radleys - Memory Babe
Boo Radleys - Naomi
Boo Radleys - Sometime Soon She Said
Boo Radleys - Upon 9th & Fairchild
Boris - Farewell
Bowery Electric - Freedom Fighter
Bowery Electric - Things'll Never Be The Same
Breathless - Over and Over
Breathless - Wave After Wave
Breathless - You Can Call It Yours
Breathless - All That Matters Now
Brian Eno - Here Come The Warm Jets
Brian Jonestown Massacre - Evergreen
Brian Jonestown Massacre - That Girl Suicide
Brother Kite - never in years
Catherine Wheel - Black Metallic
Catherine Wheel - Crank
Catherine Wheel - For Dreaming
Catherine Wheel - Tumbledown
Catherine Wheel - She's My Friend (the original version)
Catherine wheel - ursa major space station
Chapterhouse - Autosleeper
Chapterhouse- Falling Down
Chapterhouse - Breather
Chapterhouse - Mesmerise
Chapterhouse - Pearl
Chapterhouse - something more
The Chameleons - View From A Hill
Candy Claws - sunbeam show
Charmparticles - gold plated shotl
The Church - Aura
The Clean - Point That Thing Somewhere Else
Clearlake - don't let the cold in
Clinic - Porno
Cloudboy - this long underwater
Cloudboy - red rubicon
Cloudland Canyon - White Woman
Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll
Cocteau Twins - Heaven Or Las Vegas
Cocteau Twins - Carolyn's Fingers
Cocteau Twins - Cherry Coloured Funk
Cocteau Twins - Lorelei
Cocteau Twins - the Thinner the Air
Cocteau Twins - Pink Orange Red
Cocteau Twins - Pearly Dewdrops Drop
Cocteau Twins - The Spangle Maker
Cocteau Twins - Those Eyes, That Mouth
Cocteau Twins - Summerhead
Cocteau Twins - Seekers Who Are Lovers
Cocteau Twins - Violaine
Cocteau Twins - Wax and Wane
Cowboy Junkies - Sweet Jane
Cranes - Adoration
Cranes - Beautiful Friend
Cranes - Breeze
Cranes - Everywhere
Cranes - Starblood
Cranes - Tomorrow's Tears
Crystal Castles - Celestica
The Cure - Plainsong
The Cure - End
Curve - 10 Little Girls
Curve - coast is clear
Curve - Faît Accompli
Curve - Horror Head
Curve - mission from god
Curve - Perish
Dadamah - High Tension House
Dalek - Forever Close My Eyes
Dalek - Abandoned Language
The Dandy Warhols - Be-In
The Dandy Warhols - Holding Me Up
The Dandy Warhols - Nietzsche
The Dandy Warhols - It's A Fast Driving Rave-Up With The Dandy Warhols Sixteen Minutes
Death in Vegas - Dirge
Death in Vegas - Girls
Deerhunter - Strange Lights
Deerhunter - Vox Celeste
Delays - Long Time Coming
Dettinger - Oasis 3
Devin Townsend (Ocean Machine) - Hide Nowhere
Disco Inferno - the Long Dance
Disco Inferno - Bleed Clean
Disco Inferno - Love Stepping Out
Disco Inferno - Secong Language
Disco Inferno - Summer's Last Sound
Disappears - Magics
DNTEL - This Is The Dream Of Evan and Chan
The Dream Academy - Life in a Northern Town
Drop Nineteens - Kick the Tragedy
Drop Nineteens - Winona
Dykehouse - One More Day
The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa – Swoony
The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa – Fluidum
Electric Firebabies - Thunderbolt
Electro Group - Line Of Sight
Engineers - Let's Just See
Engineers - What Pushed Us Together
Engineers - Hang Your Head
epic45 - england fallen over
f/I - Just to Get Us Off
Th' Faith Healers - Love Song
Th' Faith Healers - Sparklingly Chime
Th' Faith Healers - Heart Fog
Faust - C Pluus
Fennesz - Circassian
The Field Mice - Sensitive
The Field Mice - missing the moon
Fleeting Joys - The Breakup
Flying Saucer Attack - Feedback Song
Flying saucer attack - forever
Flying Saucer Attack - Beach Red Lullaby
Flying Saucer Attack - The Drowners
Flying Saucer Attack - Standing Stone
Flying Saucer Attack - My Dreaming Hill
For against - coalesced
Free - Mouthful Of Grass
Fridge - Long Singing
Galaxie 500 - Blue Thunder
Galaxie 500 - decomposing trees
Galaxie 500 - Listen, the Snow Is Falling
Galaxie 500 - Flowers
Galaxie 500 - Strange
Garbage - Supervixen
Gersey - The Night We Walked to Mexico
Ghost Society - Love Love
Ghost Society - Better Days
Glenn Branca - Lesson No.1
Gravenhurst - Hollow Men
Grouper - Heavy Water/I'd Rather Be Sleeping
Grouper - Cover the Windows and the Walls
Hex - Diviner
High Violets - X-Tasy
His Name is Alive - Lip
His Name is Alive - love's a fish eye
Hood - hood northern
House of Love - Christine
House of Love - Destroy the Heart
House Of Love - Love In A Car
Husker Du - Powerline
Inaura - This Month's Epic
Insides - distractions
Insides - darling effect
Into paradise - angelus
Inner sleeve - come alive
The Innocence Mission - Wonder Of Birds
Jesu - Tired of Me
Jesus and Mary Chain - Catchfire
Jesus and Mary Chain - Just Like Honey
Jesus and Mary Chain - Happy When It Rains
Jesus and Mary Chain - Heat
Jesus & Mary Chain - Never Understand
The Joy Formidable - The Last Drop
The Joy Formidable - Whirring
The Joy Formidable - Cradle
Jps experience - block
Julee Cruise - Falling
Jupiter - leave the ground
Jupiter - meltdown
Jupiter sun - violet intertwine
Kitchens Of Distinction - Drive That Fast
Kitchens Of Distinction - Elephantine
Kitchens of Distinction - Gone World Gone
Kitchens of Distinction - Mad as Snow
Kitchens of distinction - on tooting broadway station
klima - why does everything have to end
Labradford - WR
Ladytron - All The Way
Levitation - Arcs of Light and Dew
Levitation - Even When Your Eyes Are Open
Lilys - february fourteenth
Lilys - claire hates me
Lilys - Day of the Monkey
Lilys - ginger
Long Fin Killie - Kismet
Loop - Arc-Lite (Sonar)
Loop - Black Sun
Loop - Collision
Loop - Spinning
Look Blue Go Purple - Winged Rumor
Lorelei - Float My Bed
Lorelei - Stop What You're Doing
Lorelei - Mimesis
Love Battery - Between the Eyes
Low, Transient Waves & Piano Magic - Sleep at the Bottom
Luminous Orange - drop you vivid colours
Lush - De-Luxe
Lush - Desire Lines
Lush - kiss chase
Lush - Leaves Me Cold
Lush - Scarlet
Lush - For Love
Lush - Monochrome
Lush - Nothing Natural
Lush - Ocean
Lush - Sweetness And Light
Lush - Sunbathing
Lush - Thoughtforms
Lush - Untogether
Lusk - Free Mars
Lusk - Doctor
Lycia - Pray
M83 - Don't Save Us From The Flames
M83 - Teen Angst
M83 - Run Into Flowers
M83 - Lower Your Eyelids to Die With the Sun
Mahogany - Domino Ladder Beta
Mahogany - supervitesse
Malory - space in your mind
The Mandelbrot Set - lush
MARRS - Anitina
Mazzy Star - Happy
Mediavolo - Mass Anasthesia
Mediavolo - Misunderstanding
Medicine - Aruca
Medicine - Time Baby Three
Medicine - Never Click
Medicine - One More
Memory Cassette - Ghost In The Boombox
Memory Cassette - Milkey Wave Goodbye
Mercury Rev - Frittering
Mercury Rev - Meth Of A Rockette's Kick
Mercury Rev - Sweet Oddysee Of A Cancer Cell T' Th' Center Of Yer Heart
Misty dixon - are you lost
Mogwai - mogwai fear satan
Mojave 3 - Bluebird Of Happiness
Moonshake - gravity
Moose - Around The Warm Bend
Moose - Boy
Moose - Butterfly Collector
Moose - Do You Remember?
Moose - Jack
Moose - Last Night I Fell Again
Moose - Little Bird (Are You Happy In Your Cage?)
Moose - Suzanne
Moose - The Ballad of Adam and Eve.
Moose - This River Will Never Run Dry
Mouse on Mars - Frosch
Mouse on Mars - Tux & Damask
Mudhoney -This Gift
My Bloody Valentine - honey power
My Bloody Valentine - I Only Said
My Bloody Valentine - Loomer
My Bloody Valentine - Blown A Wish
My Bloody Valentine - Cupid Come
My Bloody Valentine - Feed Me With Your Kiss
My Bloody Valentine - Lose My Breath
My Bloody Valentine - Off Your Face
My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow
My Bloody Valentine - Sometimes
My Bloody Valentine - Soon
My Bloody Valentine - Swallow
My Bloody Valentine - sunny sundae smile
My Bloody Valentine - To Here Knows When
My Bloody Valentine - What You Want
My Bloody Valentine - When You Sleep
My Bloody Valentine - You Never Should
My Bloody Valentine - You Made Me Realise
Nice Strong Arm - Cloud Machine
Nightblooms - crystal eyes
Oneida - The Winter Shaker
The Pains of Being Pure At Heart - The Pains of Being Pure At Heart
The Pains of Being Pure at Heart - Lost Saint
Pale Saints - A Deep Sleep For Steven
Pale Saints - A Thousand Stars Burst Open
Pale Saints - Half-Life, Remembered
Pale Saints - Sight of You
Pale saints - language of flowers
Pale Saints - Time Thief
Pale Saints - Throwing Back the Apple
Pale Saints - You Tear the World in Two
Pale saints - shell
Pale saints - under your nose
Papa sprain - u swell
Pia Fraus - octobergirl'
Piano Magic - I am the Sub-librarian
Piano Magic - Password
Piano Magic - Snowfall Soon
Pluramon - Noise Academy
Polara - Squelch
Prolapse - Autocade
Puressence - near distance
The Radio Dept. - David
Radio Dept - Where Damage Isn't Already Done
Raveonettes - Gone Forever
Raveonettes - You Want the Candy
Red House Painters - Katysong
Red House Painters - Mistress
Relay - context
Remy Zero - Temenos (Here Comes the Shakes)
Resplandor - breathe
Revolver - crimson
Ride - All I Can See
Ride - Birdman
Ride - Chelsea Girl
Ride - Close My Eyes
Ride - Decay
Ride - Dreams Burn Down
Ride - Drive Blind
Ride - Grasshopper
Ride - here and now
Ride - Howard Hughes
Ride - In a different place
Ride - Kaleidoscope
Ride - Leave Them All Behind
Ride - Like A Daydream
Ride - Nowhere
Ride - Paralysed
Ride - Perfect Time
Ride - Polar Bear
Ride - Seagull
Ride - Sennen
Ride - Taste
Ride - Twisterella
Ride - Unfamiliar
Ride - Vapour Trail
Rocketship - carrie cooksey
Rollerskate Skinny - Speed to my Side
the Ropers - you have a light
Sad Day for Puppets - Hush
Sad Day for Puppets - marble gods
Savage Republic - Walking Backwards
School of Seven Bells - Half Asleep
School of seven bells - ILU
School of Seven Bells - Connjur
School of Seven Bells - My Cabal
The Secret Machines - Alone, Jealous And Stoned
Secret shine - deep thinker
Secret shine - loveblind
Seefeel - Charlotte's Mouth
Seefeel - Plainsong
Seefeel - More Like Space
See See Rider - She Sings Alone
Serena-Maneesh - I Just Want To See Your Face
Serena-maneesh - un-deux
Seven Percent Solution - The Road And The Common
Sigur Ros - Svefn-G-Englar
Sigur Rós - Vaka (first track on "( )")
Sigur Rós - Fyrsta (second track on "( )")
Sigur Rós - Glósóli
Sigur Rós - Saeglópur
Sigur Ros - Starálfur
Silvania - El Día Del Cielo
Sing Sing - Panda Eyes
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Dazzle
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Swimming Horses
Slowdive - 40 Days
Skywave - All I Had
Slowdive - Avalyn I
Slowdive - Allison
Slowdive - Catch The Breeze
Slowdive - Crazy for You
Slowdive - Losing Today
Slowdive - morningrise
Slowdive - she calls
Slowdive - Slowdive
Slowdive - Souvlaki Space Station
Slowdive - Rutti
Slowdive - when the sun hits
Smashing Orange - My Deranged Heart
Smashing Orange - Only Complete In You
Smashing Orange - Any Further, It's All Over
Smashing Pumpkins - Bury Me
Smashing Pumpkins - Hello Kitty Kat
Smashing Pumpkins - Starla
Soda Stereo - Luna Roja
Sol Seppy - Slo Fuzz
Spacemen 3 - Come Down Easy
Spacemen 3 - Hypnotized
Spacemen 3 - Ode To Street Hassle
Spacemen 3 - Take Me To The Other Side
Spacemen 3 - Suicide
Space Needle - Flowers For Algernon
Spc eco - shine on down (alan moulder mix, natch)
Speck Mountain - Backsliding
spectacle - withered
spectacle - plum
Spectrum - Undo The Taboo
Spiritualized - if i were with her now
Spiritualized - Medication
Spiritualized - Run
Spoonfed Hybrid - Heaven's Knot
Springhouse - enslave me
Springhouse - asphalt angels
Starflyer 59 - You're Mean
Stereolab - Contact
Stereolab - Ping Pong
Stereolab - Super Falling Star
Stone Roses - I wanna be Adored
Straitjacket Fits - She Speeds
Straitjacket Fits - Sparkle That Shines
Sonic Youth - Beauty Lies in the Eye
Sonic Youth - JC
Sonic Youth - Star Power
Sonic Youth - Teresa's Sound World
Sounds like sunset - frequency
Sugar - Man on the Moon
Sugar Plant - Happy
The Sundays - Skin and Bones
The Sundays - Can't Be Sure
The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends
The Sundays - My Finest Hour
The Sundays - Goodbye
Swans - The Great Annihilator
Swervedriver - Juggernaut Rides
Swervedriver - the other jesus
Swervedriver - Rave Down
Swervedriver - Son Of Mustang Ford
Swervedriver - Never Lose That Feeling
Thee Hypnotics - Soul Accelerator
The Swirlies - sarah sitting
The Swirlies - didn't understand
The Swirlies - Pancake
The Swirlies - park the car by the side of the road
The Swirlies - two girls kissing
Talk Talk - I Believe in You
Talk Talk - Time It's Time
Talk Talk - The Rainbow
Teenage Fanclub - Everything Flows
Teenage Filmstars - Kiss Me
Teenage Fanclub - Star Sign
The Telescopes - Celeste
The Telescopes - Everso
The Telescopes - Flying
The Telescopes - High On Fire
The Telescopes - You Set My Soul
The Telescopes - Ocean Drive
Third eye foundation - sleep
This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren
This Mortal Coil - Kangaroo
Thomas White - The Runaround
Thousand Yard Stare - Comeuppance
Thrushes - Heartbeats
Tiger Baby - Pretending part 2
Trembling Blue Stars - All Eternal Things
TV On The Radio - Young Liars
The Twilight Sad - Cold Days From The Birdhouse
Ulrich Schnauss - Clear Day
Ulrich Schnauss - Medusa
Ulrich Schnauss - Nobody's Home
Ulrich schnauss - on my own
Ulrich Schnauss - Stars
Ultra Vivid Scene - mercy seat
Ultra Vivid Scene - Not In Love (Hit By A Truck)
Underground Lovers - i was right
Velocity Girl - My Forgotten Favorite
Velocity Girl - Crazy Town
Verve - Already There
Verve - all in the mind
Verve - a man called sun
Verve - feel
Verve - Gravity Grave
Verve - No Come Down
Verve - See You in the Next One (Have a Good Time)
Verve - She's A Superstar
Verve - slide away
volcano playground - we are clashing
Windy & Carl - Lighthouse
Windy & Carl - Whisper
Wire - the 15th
Wolfhounds - Vertical Grave
Working For A Nuclear Free City - Rocket
Working For A Nuclear Free City - Quiet Place
Working For A Nuclear Free City - Nancy Adam Susan
Working For A Nuclear Free City - England (the Businessmen & Ghosts)
XTC - Easter Theater
Yo La Tengo - Blue Line Swinger
Yo La Tengo - From A Motel 6
Yo La Tengo - Tom Courtenay
Young Galaxy - The Alchemy Between Us

Some listening to do there...I've Spotified N-Z, feel free to do A-M (anyone?)

http://open.spotify.com/user/seandalai/playlist/2robvFCgZyGMUB8cf7elYh

first poll ever where i am familiar with the majority of the choices.

Number of ballots received so far: O

:(

put me down for 1 of everything

Some of my very favorite Lilys and Swirlies tracks are missing!

Should have submitted them to the nominations thread, then.

love the fact that this is happening. i wish we had more time and will get my ballot in before the deadline, probably that last minute.

will send in my votes soon, i promise! i have a partial list already but there's some stuff here i want to listen to first.

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/9265/iraqvote.jpg

Ismael, right now. Thanks for putting this together!

Thanks Ismael. Great list.

Ismael suggests that maybe the voting system might confuse some... no idea how to make it clearer but here goes:

Number of points: 800
Maximum # of Votes allowed: 40
Maximum # of Pointes per Vote: 50

You're free to assign points as you please as long as you don't surpass the 50 point individual quota or the 800 collective quota. Unranked lists will have their points equally divided.

surprised that midway still were not nominated.

i always think of them as camden lurch

you could hurt your brain listening to all that stuff. in a good way. i think. i like a lot of it. i'm kinda braindead though. is there a tech blog devoted to shoegaze guitar fx? i would read it.

goddam I missed the voting deadline. That is what I get for swearing off ilx to try to get some work done. You guys have nominated a number of fantastic tracks & I think I can work within these parameters.

Still.. can I late-nominate "Shine" by Bailter Space?

o well

er.. noms deadline

Deadline will be 23:59 BST on 21st October 2010

Not enough voting time. This could use +1 week at least to get a higher turnout...

i agree, i missed the deadline as well

on the voting thread

Should have submitted them to the nominations thread, then.

― Moka, Friday, October 15, 2010 1:19 AM (Yesterday)

Oops I totally missed that.

Done! Decided to eschew diversity in my list and any judgement of how closely the noms fit what I think of as shoegaze etc and just went with my favourites, which resulted in 3 bands claiming 14 of the 40 places on my list *shrugs* and my #1 not really quite fitting into these genres imo but the definitions are so mutable what do I know?

Thanks for taking the time and trouble of doing this Moka

Moka will you give us a few more days to vote plz?

priTplz?

Still.. can I late-nominate "Shine" by Bailter Space?

OK, so YES I missed the noms thread & yall have done a fine job of covering ALMOST ALL of what I'd like to vote for. Still, if they can possibly be added at this point, here are a few that I feel strongly about:

Swervedriver - Sandblasted
Swervedriver - Duel
Bailter Space - Shine
Mercury Rev - Chasing a Bee
Moonshake - Blister
Whipping Boy - Sugar I Swear
Yo La Tengo - Nowhere Near

People have voted already.

well then.. TOO BAD (o well)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhPWLv11Wt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OG-iKE6AU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1187I2VX6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxso0vC4aac

dry your eyes mate

^ typical shoegaze aggro

I've received two ballots already. Yeahy!

Ok if people who've sent their ballots have no problem with it I'd be happy to extend the deadline until October 25.

And well, no more noms. Sorry Pillbox and Evan. Noms thread was active for three weeks.

I wasn't (still) complaining.

Take as much time as you want, moka, 'sfine with me. Maybe get the date into the thread title at some point though, to chase up the unobservant and slothful?

unobservant and slothful - pretty much sums me up tbh

Gosh. There is a track in this list that confuses me - it'd be Number 1 if I included it, but it really doesn't fit into my concept of Shoegaze / Dream Pop / (Talk Talk influenced/original concept) Post-Rock

I felt like that a few times - including one or two of my own nominations, stupidly. In the end I marked those ones down or excluded them altogether, depending on how happy I'd be at seeing them high up in the results.

Number of ballots received so far: O

:(

Could have done with a link to this thread on the nominations thread - I hadn't seen this until now.

Yeah - I've decided that if it doesn't fit - no matter how good it is, it doesn't go in. I seem to remember the OP on the other thread suggested that nominations would naturally sort out what was right and what wasn't.

Yeh like sorry, as much as I love Mudhoney ,theyre getting no votes from me.

Got it down to 130 tunes now. As above, I think I'll probably filter out the ones that don't really belong here (e.g. 'Everything Flows' = great song, but not shoegaze).

Hmmmmmm....or maybe not.

I went for the opposite approach. I missed the nominations thread so just voted from the final list ignoring whether I thought the tracks or artists in question "belonged" there or not. Admittedly this did result in my list being pretty untypical. Certainly with regards to my #1 anyway.

God, this is difficult.

See, I'm tempted rule out 'Everything Flows' because Teenage Fanclub were never seen as 'shoegazing'. But then there are things I'm considering by groups who definitely *do* fit the bill, but the tunes don't obviously get filed under that label (e.g. Boo Radleys - Lazarus, Telescopes - You Set My Soul). And 'Everything Flows' sounds more shoegazing than either of those tunes.

'You Set My Soul' is a magnificent, beautiful thing - would probably never have rediscovered it without this poll, so again thanks to Moka

Yeah, it really is. It doesn't sound like anything else of that time, though, not even by The Telescopes.

it reminds me most of some of the Byrds' more unfocused, fragile stuff, but it's probably better than any of that

DNTEL - This Is The Dream Of Evan and Chan
^ love the Barbara Morgenstern remix. I don't care so much for the original

my list is all of the usual suspects. i think it is the 18 year old me that is voting, back when 'nowhere' was the most important record ever made.

Got my list whittled down to 67 tunes now. Time to start getting brutal: anything which doesn't fit the genre is out, and I'm going to have to sacrifice some sacred cows*.

*Metaphorically

Nowhere isn't the most important record ever made?

Yeah - 15 yr old me is certainly holding some sway right now.

I accidentally got too brutal and culled it down too far to 34 tracks, then decided to leave it - more points for all that way.

ballot sent

is there a tech blog devoted to shoegaze guitar fx

guitargeek.com has rig layouts for most of the big 90s shoegaze groups (and plenty of the not-so big groups). it's pretty damn cool even if the site itself is a pain to navigate.

I voted for 15 tunes
4 got 50 pts
1 got 30 pts
10 got 20 pts

I'm not gonna give all my choices 50 pts when I haven't heard all the music on the list

I went 40-39-38... with the extra points shared among the last few so they all got double figures

if you wish to give an ordered list it will be marked #1=40 points...#40=1 point

xpost: Damn you're right. Erm... ok, there's 20 bonus points for ballots sent in hyerarchical #1 to #40 manner.

every other kind of ballot does not qualify for the 20 bonus points. See of it as an incentive to rank ballots and give some sort of point leverage.

Hahaha - then mine almost qualifies for the extra twenty, but not quite. You don't really want me to resubmit, do you?!

xpost: Damn you're right. Erm... ok, there's 20 bonus points for ballots sent in hyerarchical #1 to #40 manner.

loooooool

Working on my ballot... I've whittled it down to ~100 tracks in the first 10 minutes.

http://i.ehow.com/images/a05/5v/e9/make-whittling-knives-200X200.jpg

did we get an extension on the date to submit votes?

Yes. Only 4 more days tho. Deadline is now October 25.

i needed that time, thank you Moka for that also for doing this poll.

someone will need to do an albums poll as well in the near future.

or a four song ep poll. i forgot about swallow-'oceans and blue skies' was great. oh and marine time keepers 'of all the things' and bien 'oublie-moi' or tears run rings, ah well, next poll, but then i barely voted for anything i nominated anyhow, nevermind. 'jaffa boy' is maybe the most puzzling nomination, maybe because the lyrics are like a dream? i can see slipping in the chills 'this is the way' or 'night of chill blue' but the bird nest roys? maybe it will win. that would be a nice surprise.

6 ballots received so far. Thanks to everyone who has voted. Results are shapping up to be quite interesting.

Just finished my ballot. This was incredibly hard -- thought I had 50 tracks, finally narrowed it down to 50, then read the instructions again and realized I had to cut 10 more... yikes!

I ended up cutting out a bunch of tracks that sound shoegaze-y, but could just as easily be classified into different genres (e.g., post-punk, electronic, indie rock).

I'm working on my ballot tonight.

Three more ballots received! Keep on voting. Do it now!

http://www.jacksonvillemag.com/blogs/media/blogs/Specktator/funny-pictures-vote-please.jpg

Ballot sent.

While I'm hoping there are a ton of voters, I'm hoping there aren't so many that my highest scoring songs get knocked out. Are you doing a list of 100 or just 50?

HEY I didn't see 'Shrimp' and 'Herring' in the poll options, wtf!!

Mmm well we've got 536 nominees and only 166 have been voted for so far (I still haven't counted yours) there are lots of ties all over on the low numbers. In the end it'll depend on how many people vote, if a top 50 is a less interesting choice than a top 100 I'll definitely go for the later, but I'll avoid it if per example we start #100 with 1 vote and 25 points.

mmm Johnny sure you sent your ballot? Hasn't arrived yet.

Found it. It was in my spam folder. That's odd. I'll have to do a list check over here in case other ballots ended up in the spam folder.

I checked and had the email address correct, but I sent it again to be safe.

xp nm

Ok, just to check. I've received the ballot from the following users:

Ismael Klatta
Pandemic
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captainlorax
keythhtyek
Mark C
M1cha3l B0urk3 (unfamiliar with his ILM alias)
ilxor
Johnny Fever

If you sent your ballot but don't see your name in here please let me know.

I get Michael is Running the Gantelope and Keith is keythhtyek right?

Someone needs to blackmail Herman into voting. I'm not gonna vote in his year-end metal roundup unless he votes here.

I just realized noone nominated the Durutti Column. It's irking me now.

Wow, I'm surprised I didn't nominate "Believe in Me" at least. I probably meant to, because that song was on my mind a few days ago for some reason.

I get Michael is Running the Gantelope

No, I haven't voted yet. Still got to eliminate 20-odd songs from my list.

I will try and get a ballot in I swear, but I've been busy and its so hard to choose stuff.

I really am finding this incredibly difficult. My list is down to 59 tunes now and they're all big favourites of mine, so everything I eliminate from now on will pain me.

Kill anything that isn't from the Thames Valley

A good sentiment. My list is about 95% English and from 88-92. I'm feeling obliged to cast off a few of the copious Ride & MBV numbers in order to maintain some variety in my ballot.

(unfamiliar with his ILM alias)

That's no reason for you to post their real names on the internet.

Was going to say.

edited slightly

My votes have finally been sent. That was tough. I've taken out a lot of songs I love that I don't think fit.

Sorry for using real names :P kraudive's email also ended up in the spam folder, I have no idea why. I'll keep on posting the nicknames of people that have sent their ballots just to be sure I didn't miss anyone.

Ismael Klatta
Pandemic
blank
captainlorax
keythhtyek
Mark C
M1cha3l B0urk3 (unfamiliar with his ILM alias)
ilxor
Johnny Fever
Masonic Boom
kraudive

M1cha3l B0urk3 (unfamiliar with his ILM alias)

I'm guessing that this is the the same guy who goes under the cunning alias of Michael B.

Got it down to 40 tunes, now I've just got to put them in order...

What's the closing date again? Would be great if it was in the title, also I'm still under the impression that it's maybe the first week of October still.

Think it's been extended from 21st Oct to 25th Oct

"40 tunes and I poll you...."

http://www.timetomarket.co.uk/images/now-is-the-time.jpg

Get voting - only five days to go, and two of them are the weekend.

Boy, I really hope we end up with more than 11.

Gutted I didn't contribute to the noms thread now - seeing some of the choices here has reminded me of other (absent) songs by the same band I'd definitely have voted for. Still plenty to choose from here though, I'll put a ballot together ASAP.

planning on voting, just being a lazy douche about it

same here

Two more ballots received.

Ismael Klatta
Pandemic
blank
captainlorax
keythhtyek
Mark C
M1cha3l B0urk3 (unfamiliar with his ILM alias)
ilxor
Johnny Fever
Masonic Boom
kraudive
Euler
DavidM

is the deadline the 25th or today?

http://s3prod.weheartit.netdna-cdn.com/images/4429889/kstewartfans-scream2010_large.png?1287292096

xpost: 25th. Can a mod please add the deadline to the thread title?

Moka, put your request here otherwise the mods won't see it:
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=56

Also, I think you'll find the identity of MB in your list has been solved (look upthread).

lol, except maybe the mod who asked the question might see it

haha

Done it. I'm quite surprised by how my ballot turned out in the end.

i've made my own playlist and if there was a poll for god king of the shoegazing universe i think right now i'd vote for loz colbert.

seconded

http://archivedmusicpress.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/whatever-happened-to-shoegazing-part-1-12th-september-1992.jpg

part 2

in which Moose play grand old men of The Scene That Celebrates Itself

Ultimately though it's that History Of Shoegazing issue of Magnet that Masonic Boom described as a "centerfold issue." I concur with this assessment.

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq353/akhieross/magnetmagazine002.jpg

HAH, Moose criticizing The Telescopes for having a "shit name." Ummm guys?

Moose accusing the Telescopes of having a shit band name in that MM article, yeah right thanks guys.

xp!

What you really wants is the Select Magazine "pocket guide to the scene that celebrates itself" which was funny as hell but of course it ended up clipped out of the magazine and taped to my bedroom wall circa 1991 or so.

Just passing through, but surely this is the best A.C. Marias track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWUePqrAg3o

Fucking sublime.

Yes but no but I still prefer One of Our Girls. You should have posted this video though - w/ Bruce Gilbert on a Tony Wilson programme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99S7aaDnv0k

Should have been more Wire on this poll btw, I think that the dream pop aspect has been eclipsed by the all the shoegaze fannydangle. Guess I've only got myself to blame.

I think by the time the voting came, I completely ignored any other aspect except the "shoegaze" one and eliminated dreampop stuff for not being shoegaze enough to count. Oh well.

I started listening to the stuff I hadn't heard, then abandonned that task, and decided to just vote on the things that I had previously known and loved. Because this revealed an odd home truth about music and memory: stuff that I listened to a lot back then, and loved back then, even if it wasn't particularly good, it *still* packed an emotional impact that made it enjoyable for me to listen to it. The stuff I wasn't familiar with, I mostly ended up thinking "I don't really enjoy music that sounds like this much any more."

I'm almost entirely certain that this is down the strange tricks of memory rather than the quality of the music I rejected, but it was interesting to see it in practice.

That's interesting cos I had a similar experience, but I never got round to untangling my thoughts so I'm going to ponder that for a while.

I think that's quite insightful. I always mean to listen to the whole of each noms list, but when it gets down to it it's never that appealing. I suppose the very point of the voting process is to iron things out - wisdom of crowds and all that.

Very true for me too. To me this poll is very much about (some of) the music I loved and was listening to in the early 90s, mostly just 90-92 with just a few bits and pieces after that. There are all kinds of nominations for things I've never heard of - I assume this is because they are either American (and to me this was an English scene with Drop Nineteens and Smashing Orange being the only American groups I can recall entering into it in the latter stages) or don't come from that era but instead to some kind of shoegazing revival period which I missed out on (or rather, wouldn't have noticed because I'd moved on). Or perhaps both. I've only voted for things that I actually listened to at the time (with one exception) and, exactly as said above, they still trigger a strong response in me because they mattered so much to me at that time, but if a new group made similar music now I don't really know whether I'd be into it.

Ballot submitted!

More ballots received. The numbers are looking great now, will be definitely doing a 100 countdown.

Ismael Klatta
Pandemic
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captainlorax
keythhtyek
Mark C
MichaelB
ilxor
Johnny Fever
Masonic Boom
kraudive
Euler
DavidM
Billy
Nasty, Brutish & Short
righteousmaelstrom
crutis stephens
Dan
daavid

Pleased to hear it. More to come soon I hope - there're more'n a few likely suspects not on that list yet.

I think we should pressure Ned to break from his no polls stance.

I could just submit a ballot for him if youwant

Working on ballot now.

doing mine tonight as well, might submit it but will go sit on it until i feel it's ready.

BUMP

I think we should pressure Ned to break from his no polls stance.

Nice try. (I only just checked this thread for the first time.)

I'd vote in this poll if I had seen this earlier and been able to nominate the many glaring errors omitted form the available nominees.

Ned vote, we need you

Oh go on, vote anyway. Considering some top bands are getting half their discography nominated, curious as to what these 'many glaring omissions' might be.

Half of the first ocean colour scene album.

How many are we at now, moka?

I voted. Ranking my choices was HARD, way harder than I thought.

Dunnit.

I have a list (I cant even come *up* woth 40 after all that) but I cant weight them, its too hard. Im not sure wether to say "fuckit, give half 50 and the restwhats left" or what.

How many are we at now, moka?

― Ismael Klata

Ismael Klatta
Pandemic
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captainlorax
keythhtyek
Mark C
MichaelB
ilxor
Johnny Fever
Masonic Boom
kraudive
Euler
DavidM
Billy
Nasty, Brutish & Short
righteousmaelstrom
crutis stephens
Dan
daavid
Gavin in Leeds
useless chamber
nag! nag! nag!
Barry (NoTimeBeforeTime?)
NickB
John. A resident of Chicago.

So what's the turnaround on this? Should we start seeing a countdown this week?

i'm so mad at myself, as i was going over this list with my collection i notice some glaring omissions. it's partly my own fault because i didn't take the time with nominations.

i have now got it down to 40, will get them ordered and turn it in. this was close to impossible. Ride should rule this as they seemed to be the hardest for me to pick. enjoyed listing to Pale Saints above anyone else however.

voted. had to go unordered as i don't have three weeks to work it out.

had to stay pretty ruthlessly on the side of traditional 'shoegaze' otherwise it was just not going to happen.

Ok I sent an ordered list but of only 26 entries cos I couldnt bring myself to just vote for a dozen cocteau and MBV songs, that felt silly.

done, only the Boo Radleys got three votes and only about half dozen others got more than one song. love my Top 10.

Anyone want to predict the top 5 yet?

I'm thinking an MBV song easily. Possbly "Feed me with your kiss" or "Soon".

I voted for two MBV tracks, and they weren't either of those.

I did not vote for any MBV. I had thought of two tracks, but they didn't make the cut in the end. Wasn't "Soon" the top track of the 90s poll? I think it's pretty safe to assume it'll make the top 5. I just hope it's not all MBV.

Barry (NoTimeBeforeTime?) -- yeah, that's me.

I tried holding myself to an arbitrary one vote per artist rule, but relaxed it once I realized I couldn't justify (to myself) voting for certain artists instead of, say, a second Cocteau Twins song.

I agree with Leeeeee -- there are some odd song choices/omissions here, but I can't really complain because I skipped the noms process (of course there are still plenty of great songs to vote for)

Writing some notes now.

OK I'm doing this shit right now

http://ticketcollector.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/ride-lush-27-3-1991001.jpg?w=312&h=153

word of ned.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KewdBdSSpMQ/TEcuc7iYj9I/AAAAAAAAC9U/qcw0iYuIlA0/s1600/R-393705-1273886377.jpeg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KewdBdSSpMQ/TEcuc7iYj9I/AAAAAAAAC9U/qcw0iYuIlA0/s1600/R-393705-1273886377.jpeg

wsg Galaxie 500

(nevermind that last one)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1069/866670352_ff5822665d.jpg

wsg Galaxie 500

http://www2.sk-static.com/images/media/img/col4/20091026-051436-474396.jpg

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/30585777/Slowdive+s+fav+bands.jpg

http://waxidermy.com/bbs/images/smilies/crust.gif

Done. I stuck w/ strictly shoegaze bands & loose affiliates from 88-93 or thereabouts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPfjIaQygj8

http://curve-online.co.uk/images/photos/texan.jpg

bump

Whoa. A whole load of new ballots received in the past few hours. Thank you. I'm going to start publishing results around the weekend I hope, so for those of you that didn't send any blurbs on their favorite songs and wish to do so, please send them to me before Friday.

Remember today is your last day to vote!

Again this is the list of users who have sent their ballot. If you sent your ballot but don't see yourself in here please tell me so we can work it out.

Ismael Klatta
Pandemic
blank
captainlorax
keythhtyek
Mark C
MichaelB
ilxor
Johnny Fever
Masonic Boom
kraudive
Euler
DavidM
Billy
Nasty, Brutish & Short
righteousmaelstrom
crutis stephens
Dan
daavid
Gavin in Leeds
useless chamber
nag! nag! nag!
Barry (NoTimeBeforeTime?)
NickB
John. A resident of Chicago.
electricsound
Trayce
Bee OK
Kent B.
Elvis Telecom
Pillbox
Ben D.
Drugs A. Money

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_4oCboj39jo/0.jpg

Bump. Drop Nineteens are #3 in the 'shoegazers in a convertible' parade.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4355/vervegravitygrave.jpg

#4: Verve

http://nickdiulio.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/the-dandy-warhols_001406_mainpicture.jpg?w=300&h=248

#5: It's A Fast-Driving Rave-Up With The Dandy Warhols. Proper open-top look there. I hadn't actually heard that track until tonight, kind of regretting that it's too late to find a place for it on my ballot.

^know what you mean. Can't believe I had a chance to vote for "Nietzsche" and I totally forgot it!

Bump. Drop Nineteens are #3 in the 'shoegazers in a convertible' parade.

Dead heat between that Curve convertible picture and these guys:

http://www.spiritualized.com/images/discography/medication-620.jpg

is Curve the one with the hot girl in the cowboy hat?

yup. I'm all out now, this Lush one is all I've got left:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj23/mikiberenyiweb/Miki_500_lush.jpg

Last chance to vote - literally only hours left before the first posts lamenting that they didn't see this thread in time.

I HAVE JUST VOTED.

Completely haphazard list due to not doing any listening and sorting until today, but I don't think it's completely unrepresentative.

all of my picks were from the late 80's to early 90's (with one exception) with a leaning towards the more 'lost-generation' stuff. didnt give any band more than two picks.

I mixed up new and old favourites, and went up to three picks for, I think, three bands. May well have kept it to two if I'd had a chance to relisten to a few more things.

Just saw your ballot emily. It's eerily similar to mine.

Awesome!

We can still get a few more ballots before midnight. Keep voting!

I'm counting deadline in my current timeline so there's still two hours to vote.

1 more hour.

Alright, poll is closing in 5 minutes. Expect results in the following days.

When you start the results thread, could you link to it here? (As I've bookmarked this)

Sure thing.

And I was all "Come on, there has GOT to be a picture of Ride going for a ride in a car of some sort!" but actually, no. The best I could do was:

http://www.ticket2ride.it/imgs/picgal/misc/b012.jpg

Mark Gardener on a bicycle.

Take me for a ride away from places we have known, indeed.

helpful labelling on the object behind him

#1 Only Shallow - callin it now

nah

(at least i hope not)

This poll is to be thanked for getting me to listen to Ride again. Somehow I'd forgotten just how much I'd loved them way back when. The moment the guitars kick in to start 'Seagull' and everything came back to me. God 'Nowhere' is just as great as I remembered it, and I still couldn't care less how much they rhyme high with sky and fly etc Sennen and Drive Blind magnificent of course also. What took me by surprise a bit was listening to Going Blank Again and getting a bit choked up by how genuinely moving I found OX4 but in a happy/sad sort of way.

I had it on recently too and was really impressed - the songs have all these little intros and codas, and slightly odd arrangements, that make it far more interesting than I remembered. A lot Carnival of Light too, though the gaze had gone by that point.

(at least i hope not) - er, I meant: #1 Lovelee Sweet Darlene

never much of a Ride fan but i did vote for the unfuckwitable 'dreams burn down'

I didn't actually get around to relistening to Going Blank Again because I ended up wanting to vote for every song off Nowhere, and I couldn't cope with any more. Should probably drag it out again, though.

I was so excited about my ballot that I made it into a Youtube playlist! I'll link to it after the results are in and everyone posts their ballots.

GBA >> Nowhere

I've always thought that "Nowhere" was one of the most overrated of the "great" shoegaze albums. Side two is fairly dire, in fact.

I fucken forgot to vote :(

Hope some of my nominations do well tho

GBA is awesome and better than Nowhere, yeah. Sure, Dreams Burn Down, but cmon, fucken Leave Them All Behind. I mean, that song on its own. Also the four bonus tracks on the CD reissue are IMHO even BETTER than the Today Forever EP. YEAH.

GBA is probably my favorite Ride album but I wouldn't consider it shoegaze except for 'Leave Them All Behind.'

which probably deserves to win this poll, all things told

and if it doesn't, mentally add 50 points from acoleuthic esquire

Well, I actively refused to listen to GBA because I didn't want to make my decision any harder, so it's not like I'm saying 'there is nothing as good on GBA as there is on Nowhere'. Would completely disagree that the album as a whole is better, though.

Not sure what you nominated, LJ, as I didn't really pay much attention to the noms thread. I can think of three likely candidates, though, of which I voted for one and rejected two as not close enough to the genre.

Ha, someone else had already nominated my favourite Ulrich Schnauss song!

Nowhere gives the most delicious nostalgia in a way I'm not sure Going Blank Again ever could. Except maybe 'Leave Them All Behind'. Indication of how much I love Nowhere = even the songs that are nothing more than sky/high/why/fly rhymes are still FUCKING AWESOME.

Trouble with Nowhere is that Kaleidoscope and Dreams Burn Down tower over the rest and then Today is better than even those two (controversial I know)

Oh, and (spoilers, look away now) I didn't vote for any US. Not really listened to that much, and what I have listened to just washed over me inconsequentially. Quite possibly should give it more time and listens. BUT it did really piss me off to see 'Ulrich Schnauss remix' or similar on spotify for a bunch of songs that had been nominated - makes me feel like you people don't really care about shoegazing, you're just a bunch of Schnaussites.

</bitter old snob>

Huh. Schnauss is the best thing to happen to shoegaze since Catherine Wheel got bored. BTW I also nominated loads of Dandy Warhols :D

*loses all shoegaze cred*

This discussion has made me realize ... why didn't I vote for "Leave Them All Behind"?? I was going to stick to one track for each artist, but went back at the end and added ... a second Death in Vegas track (among other things)? And not a second Ride track? That's what I get for voting in such a rush.

Just to clarify, I didn't really get pissed off. I did notice it, though.

Dandy Warhols are abominable. Though I suspect they'll get at least one song in the list.

Nowhere & GBA are both tremendous albums, but is the transitional period between them, found in the Today Forever & Leave Them All Behind EPs, which stands as their career pinnacle.

Saying that Ullrich Schnauss is the best thing to happen to shoegaze since ____ is like saying that, say, Emerson Lake and Palmer were the best thing to happen to 70's rock after the Beatles split up. I think people like US because his songs *sound* pretty, but there's no substance there.

I tend to think that people who hold up Schnauss as "the best thing to happen to shoegaze since X..." are kind of missing the point about what shoegaze actually was.

(But this is when I turn into a boring old fart.)

actually, the lack of substance is what I like most about Ulrich Schnauss. He simply makes very pretty wallpaper.

That was my initial reaction too, but as I say, I haven't really listened to enough to make a final judgement.

xpost

would fully agree that

Grasshopper
Unfamiliar
Going Blank Again
Sennen
Beneath
Howard Hughes <-----amazing, underrated song
Stampede
Today

would smoke their studio albums

NTBT that is a grotesque and horrible slur! Ha! Schnauss' sonic layers are fucken dreamy, his sounds bleepy heaven, his beats lush. And I think he really CAN write a song. Listen to 'Medusa' and get back to me :P

There's been barely any good shoegaze in the 00's. The best shoegaze band was joined by Schnauss!

This is when I have one of those moments where I realise that what I liked about shoegaze was not what other people liked about shoegaze. I guess when I hear Schnauss I start to understand the contemporary complaints about Shoegaze Mark I being all surface no content and no emotion and just wandering prettiness. And if you'd listened to nothing but the Slowdive derived stuff, I guess you would get that feeling. But the stuff I remember listening to, it had teeth and bite and spikiness beneath all the prettiness. That shoegaze at the time was the bastard lovechild of, like, Cocteau Twins *AND* Sonic Youth, the rough with with smooth, the dazzling prettiness with the bleak relentless noise of it. It's not just about layering stuff on top of each other like a pretty layer cake of texture, it's about layers that contradict one another and conflict with one another. No conflict, no shoegaze.

And that Schnauss stuff just sounds as flat as a sky the colour of a television tuned to a dead channel.

yeah!

And that Schnauss stuff just sounds as flat as a sky the colour of a television tuned to a dead channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcO-bpkVs9A

I also prefer Ride's 'Smile' to Nowhere. Shoot me.

OG Shoegazers = Chocolate Milk

Ulrich Schnauss & the Morr records crew etc. = Yoohoo

Both have their time & place.

Medusa is still a boring damn song.

OK whatever, but it isn't 'flat' - there's noise and chaos and mayhem all over the place. Please say you listened to more than two minutes.

they had a long peak and Fall EP is its pinnacle xps

I mean, 2:01 is where it goes over the edge into 'full kickass' mode

Klata, was that the Furthest Sense EP or the Drive Blind one?

Last chance to vote - literally only hours left before the first posts lamenting that they didn't see this thread in time.

― Ismael Klata, Monday, October 25, 2010 10:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

guess who I was thinking of when I wrote this

When Ulrich Schnauss collides with something more substantive, good things can happen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHgpXF4rTqo

um I mean Perfect Time, if we're picking favourites (although Close My Eyes might trump Drive Blind)

you blatantly mean the Perfect Time one tho coz that's better

oh hai look I've been in bed with a hot chick ok geez

the Dreams Burn Down/Taste/Here And Now/Nowhere one

OH. That's pretty good.

I've had my ass kicked more effectively by day old macaroni. Schnauss is ultimately a one trick pony. I mean, there's one thing that he does decently well, on it's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrMhrHgcPho

The kind of big trancey hands-in-the-air shoegaze flavoured banger.

But as to actual depth and emotional range and anything beyond that very limited palette, no, he really doesn't have it.

On My Own is my favourite song of the entire 00's btw, it doesn't need emotional range, it's ALL fucking yearning :D

Well, if you think that that one particular emotion is really the be-all and end-all of the entire genre of shoegaze, then I'm sorry, but I think you have a particularly narrow viewpoint of what the genre was about which is going to colour your ideas of what it was about.

hey dude you're being a tad presumptuous, you're talking to a guy who possesses and likes records by Chapterhouse and early Catherine Wheel

dude/dudette/shoegaze sprite

btw if you're a certain returned banned poster then sorry for even bringing Schnauss up again

(I actually had both you and emily in mind, louis, but she came through and confounded me LIKE A RELIABLE, UPSTANDING INDIVIDUAL WOULD. Am holding you responsible when 'Grasshopper' doesn't make it. Congrats on hot chick though, hope she was of shoegaze type)

She will learn the dark arts. I will begin with The Swirlies, maybe

dammit I'd have chucked Grasshopper a load of points too

Yes but do you have any by Lush or Curve or My Bloody Valentine or Cranes or Pale Saints, the whole spectrum of which provide a slightly wider emotional range and sonic palette which includes not just that sort of vaguely pretty yearning thing, but also dazzling ecstasy and barely contained rage and caffeine addled sated lust and confusion and playfulness and everything else inbetween.

Lush, no
Curve, no (really ought to correct that)
MBV, YES goddamn YES, Loveless really IS all that
Cranes, no (although people keep telling me about them)
Pale Saints, no

FINE ok cool, would say Schnauss does 'dazzling ecstasy' pretty well but point taken. Would still like to know what you regard as the best shoegaze of the past decade. Engineers' second album? It's really good, to be fair.

Cranes is definitely a group who capitalizes on ugliness; the more abrasive they get, the more I am into them

which is why I voted for "Starblood" and would have voted for "Lilies" had it been nominated

That's an awful lot of "no"s, aco. Perhaps you might consider going back and learning more about a genre you intend on lecturing others on, before you go calling others "presumptuous".

also Lush's "De-Luxe" and Curve's "Coast Is Clear" are two of my favorite songs of all time

Okay, I have listened to Medusa, and I do really like it, but... I dunno, the vocals kind of seem a bit tacked-on to signify 'hey guys, this is shoegaze'. Would probably prefer it if he just did the electronic stuff. Bleep-bloop!

also Lush's "De-Luxe" and Curve's "Coast Is Clear" are two of my favorite songs of all time

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this

Both bands that managed to pack an incredible emotional punch for a genre that was supposed to be "blank".

I have only been lecturing others on a song I really like from the post-2000 era of shoegaze, not about what shoegaze is or was or could be. The early core stuff of course I need to bone up on, but I wouldn't say I have a particularly narrow perspective of it. Are you a Swirlies fan?

Make me a Spotify playlist and I'll devour it.

I've never correlated The Cranes w/ the shoegaze crowd tbh.

Cranes is definitely a group who capitalizes on ugliness; the more abrasive they get, the more I am into them

I totally get why people love the more abrasive side of Cranes, but it's never been my thing (there are exceptions, e.g. "Sixth of May"). I'm more of a "Cloudless" guy. Cranes noms were a bit strange -- where's "Adrift"?

Make me a Spotify playlist and I'll devour it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtDWPN4s8Vo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO23stnJ-RU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCvhc2gRBM4

here you go, you lazy person

like really, someone lists four songs by name and you can't even Google them?

their music lacks a certain passivity and warmth that seems central to shoegazing

(not linking "Lilies" because the Youtube versions I'm finding are badly-recorded live versions)

kinda wanted to vote in this but i don't know at least half the nominees. look forward to finding new stuff through the results

Cranes were a strange lot, the way they drifted back and forth between the pretty textural piano based stuff which was very lovely in a faded Victorian flowers kinda way, and then they'd pull out seriously eyeball scouring mentalism like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqUjQiQ-YNQ

^^^^^^^^one of my fave tunes ever, it manages to capture in guitar tone the precise feeling of digging your fingernails into the palms of your hands trying hard not to scream.

x-post

I totally get why people love the more abrasive side of Cranes, but it's never been my thing (there are exceptions, e.g. "Sixth of May"). I'm more of a "Cloudless" guy.

Another way of saying this could be: I understand why people say that "Pornography" is the best Cure album, but I prefer "Disintegration".

I wanna know than just one song by each! But yeah ok let's dive in

*more

their music lacks a certain passivity and warmth that seems central to shoegazing

This is the problem here, of "what was called shoegaze at the time" and "what people looking back decided shoegaze was bound by, as a cohesive genre."

Because that passivity was never really a feature of what I think of as the big first generation bands. By the second and third generation of bands, when it was just necessary to have a striped top, a bowl cut and some effects pedals, yeah. But the first generation of shoegaze bands were really not that passive at all. But the passion and energy got xeroxed out of the music by the several generations down copyists.

But the first generation of shoegaze bands were really not that passive at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bzrCCKDwc

And really, if you're gonna rep for Medusa, at least be bothered to namecheck the far superior in every way song it was actually cribbed from...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5kwCNC7c88

(that's a pretty rub rip but the HD version is blocked from my country on copyright grounds or some such nonsense.)

Cranes - Starblood: OK YEAH this is really, really cool. Love the tumultuous bloodletting spill of guitar.

back in 2004 when I couldn't remember "Starblood"'s title, I described it like this:

There was a song they played near the end of their set that featured the guitarist doing horrifically nasty things to his car while the vocalist pitched a petulant fit into her microphone. The only other Cranes song I've heard that is halfway similar to it is "Lillies" (which I know came out several years later); I would love to find out what song that was because it was fantastic. I would describe it as proto-Korn metal (only good) with a pissed-off Strawberry Shortcake coming down off of a PCP binge on vocals.

my fave Cranes track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9AjomtrmjI

okay are you really listing JESUS AND MARY CHAIN as a passive band

I suppose it's one of those weird foibles of genre-creation the way that stuff that *At The Time* was very much considered part of the scene (Cranes, Curve, etc.) gets written out, while stuff that really wasn't part of it *At The Time* (JAMC, who were far too *early* to really be considered shoegaze - progenitors, yes, but part of it? No.) gets somehow included in this weird anachronistic twitch.

or, another way of looking at it, how the token girl gets picked and elevated (Lush) and all the others get pushed out of the way in favor of dudes

I suppose JAMC get lumped in, despite being so much earlier, because of the RollerCoaster tour which was them, nearly a decade into their career going "hey, look at these weird children we've spawned, let's take them along..."

or, another way of looking at it, how the token girl gets picked and elevated (Lush) and all the others get pushed out of the way in favor of dudes

You might think that, I couldn't *possibly* comment.

Curve - Coast Is Clear: This has a damn sexy beat, for starters. It's also very much not passive. Feels a bit like being devoured by some lusting female engine. Pretty obvious whom Garbage were really ripping off. Guitars in the final quarter are gorgeous.

Please tell me that this isn't the first time you've encountered the "Garbage = Curve + American marketing" argument

because, like, that is what EVERYONE has said about Garbage for their entire career, regardless of whether they liked them or not

facepalm

I think of the Mary Chain less in terms of "lumped in with" than I do "can be traced back to" - a status shared with Dinosaur Jr., Sonic Youth & The Cocteau Twins, not just in stylistic terms, but even if just for the collective influence of those bands on MBV.

Sorry this is the the most gorgeous shoegaze song ever. I feel like I am flying whenever I listen to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQDNZ2ZeiAk

Lush - Deluxe: OK, ten seconds in and I love it already. It sounds like the Dandy Warhols! But earlier than them, obviously. OH MY! Wow wow wow. OK FINE OK OK I don't know shit-all about shoegaze. Although great as this song is, the opening twenty seconds are clearly not gonna get beaten.

btw nobody's mentioned early Verve today - She's A Superstar is pretty much one of the Great Pinnacles Of Shoegaze afaic

yeah of course I've seen that argument before, it's cliched coz it's true

xxp and Spacemen 3

JAMC is fair game as of Rollercoaster and Honey's Dead IMO (which is why I nominated "Catchfire"; I would have nominated "Reverence" as well but no one besides me would have voted for it)

Just wanted to throw that in there. Also,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-zRJB7mG0Q

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzX5INL3haQ

Verve today - She's A Superstar is pretty much one of the Great Pinnacles Of Shoegaze afaic

I love early Verve. I used to think "She's A Superstar" was one of their best songs, but then I realized that it all goes downhill quickly after the first 15 seconds.

Curve - Horror Head remix: MASSIVE beat, and a stonking chord-change, and later a haywire middle-eight, then a cool building bit with a horn to finish. Pretty cool although I hope people understand WHY I prefer Medusa*, even if they violently disagree with me

*the answer is 'cloth ears' yes I know

NTBT you are soooo wrong!! Evan, link 'Two Girls Kissing' please, that song uber alles

I would have nominated "Reverence" as well but no one besides me would have voted for it)

I love "Reverence", it's definitely in my JAMC top five. "Honey's Dead" is really underrated too, which is odd because it came out at the height of shoegaze and is by far their most shoegaze-y record, but tends to get ignored by fans of the genre.

although re: Swirlies yeah the entire Salons album is incredible and that track rules too

Ha ha, OK, point taken. I'll take "Honey's Dead" as a shoegaze album, but really, JAMC are, on the whole, not a shoegaze band. (I mean, if you count "influences" you end up with things like the Velvet Underground being "shoegaze" and really - no.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ZSyGadDcc

Verve released some good records, but they imo they never could quite capture the magic of their terrific and devastating live performances (92-55 era)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP9gZHY7fEQ

er 92-95

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4E9TS-98Lg

OK I'm done. So please somebody who is unconverted do me the favor and please listen to this track and "Eskimo" by Lilys that I linked above and tell me why you think they are the greatest ever. :)

I could talk for hours about Honey's Dead, I love that album so much; it's just this fantastic mix of aggression and laconic beauty buried under walls of feedback...

I swear these albums guitar music for me for years because I trained myself out of enjoying riffs that weren't amorphous waves of sound.

I too love Honey's Dead, but I feel that the great underrated JAMC album is Automatic - I actually think the canny drum tracks & synth bass suited their sound very well.

Lilys - Eskimo: This is totally lovely and I wish I didn't have to run and meet my friend in a minute coz this will need another coupla listens I think! Also it is loading slowly. More on this later.

xpost -- you're right, "Honey's Dead" is underrated, but "Automatic" is THE great underrated JAMC (prob my favourite album by them, period). It's not shoegaze at all though ...

Dammit, Honey's Dead seems to be the one JAMC record that doesn't have its own thread.

(whispers) maybe we should poll it?

oh yeah and - why did it have to be *today* that this thread kicked off?! :(

And so you shall be...

I Wanna POLL On A Sunny Day - JAMC's Honey's Dead

Just to clarify those first Ride EPs for LJ:

Ride - (red roses) Chelsea Girl / Drive Blind / All I Can See / Close My Eyes (circa Jan 1990)
Play - (yellow daffodils) Like A Daydream / Silver / Furthest Sense / Perfect Time (circa April 1990)
Fall - (grey penguins) Dreams Burn Down / Taste / Here & Now / Nowhere (circa Sept 1990)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDGCsAL6Ol8

For me the Ride EP is flawless, absolutely fantastic stuff. Play is not so good, but is still good, though Furthest Sense feels like a bit of B-side chucked in to fill it up. Fall is mostly great, but feels a bit bleak, and I found Taste a bit irritating. Nowhere is fantastic, not really anything there that I don't like - I've gone off Vapour Trail, but I loved it at the time. Today Forever EP - a bit underwhelming (apart from Unfamiliar). Leave Them All Behind - towering. Going Blank Again - meh. Stopped listening after that.

Lilys - Eskimo: This is totally lovely and I wish I didn't have to run and meet my friend in a minute coz this will need another coupla listens I think! Also it is loading slowly. More on this later.

― acoleuthic, Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:30 PM (56 minutes ago)

Yeah, let me know! A totally overlooked song...

For me the Ride EP is flawless, absolutely fantastic stuff.
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 5:27 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

OTM x1000. I haven't got a record player at the moment but just dug this EP out to look at and recall the songs. I love Drive Blind soooo much that I tend to downplay the other tracks, but Close My Eyes is incredible.

Does anybody remember Fudge?

Damnit! Forgot to choose a Half String song...

ILM's Best Shoegaze / Dream Pop / Post-rock TRACKS poll - RESULTS THREAD

Aw, jeez, no, I'm about to leave work...

ffs why didn't I leave "Nothing Natural" on my ballot

ffs why didn't I nominate "Clipped" by Curve

to bring up catherine wheel for a moment - i've never understood their appeal/ acknowledged their shoegaze qualities. admittedly i've only heard chrome, but that album seems to me like a belated british cash-in on the grunge movement, complete with overzealous, chest-beating vocals and unimaginative song structures. in summary, a bit too constipated to qualify as shoegaze as far as i can see.

admittedly i've only heard chrome

Ferment is where all their cred comes from.

that just isn't true

It is for people who were around and listening to it in 1991.

(or 1992, rather...I guess I heard the singles in 1991?)

whatever, ferment is a great record but until the execrable 'wishville' and possibly excluding the patchy 'happy days' they were releasing acclaimed albums throughout the 90s

a bunch of people recommended me chrome as their pick for catherine wheel's best album, and i was just really surprised at how unremarkable it sounded. ferment sounds like it would be much more to my liking.

btw Lilys - Eskimo is cool, will need relistens, is more of a vast and massy mood-thing than a shifting sound-narrative

Ferment has "Black Metallic" on it, ergo that is the one Catherine Wheel album you really need to have.

OTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6P-pgkLJWA

... is that Youtube supposed to reinforce or refute the idea that Ferment is the only essential (note: not "good", "essential") Catherine Wheel album?

See? That just sounds like ho-hum late '90s "epic" rock to me. Bleh.

it's one of my 20 favourite songs by anyone ever, so you'll all presumably hate it

Adam & Eve is godly IMO and *completely* essential

The last CW album I even bought was Like Cats & Dogs. I probably heard Adam and Eve once or twice at the time, but I'd already made up my mind to be done with them and I haven't looked back since. They just turned into a very different and much less interesting band.

Adam & Eve was a step wayyy back forward from Happy Days - they melded everything they'd been into a propulsive, epic rock outfit with a sound a mile wide. I dig it, at least. There are loads of little production touches (Tim Friese-Green on board, of course) which add a dash of Talk Talk pastoral to the fray - the combination really works

"Black Metallic" is so, so overrated. And "Chrome" is much better than "Ferment" because Catherine Wheel are NOT a shoegaze band and their music improved when they shook off any semblance of being one.

the thing is, every Catherine Wheel track I've heard that ISN'T "Black Metallic" has been really boring

Hmm.

Wish I could magically edit Happy Days into the killer 6-track EP it should have been

Ugh, did this turn into a pompous "I know what shoegaze is u all suk" argument while I was asleep. Righto.

well more like LJ said "I KNOW SHOEGAZE AND IT IS ULRICH SCHNAUSS" and everyone who was actually listening to shoegaze bands in 1991 went "lol"

btw currently listening to a Lush-based Youtube playlist and I am kind of shocked that I wasn't more into Ride at the time

Heh. In fairness I love US and gave him some votes. And I was buying MBV records before Isnt Anything came out. And have seen Lush and Ride live.

uh thanks for that completely accurate breakdown of what happened

Nobody has even come close to answering my question, btw (where that question is 'name a good 00's shoegaze act that has not featured Ulrich Schnauss as a member')

I think that's because a lot of the people who would answer don't think very highly of 00s shoegaze?

cloudland canyon

actually crut is very OTM there - need to get hold of that record again

Mediavolo

Pluramon

ok I'm also gonna tentatively suggest Serena-Maneesh although they're not really shoegaze

well, they are

M83 mostly kinda bores me although 'Couleurs' is great

They're on the more stoner/psych end of the spectrum, but I guess they're in for a few songs. xp

M83 is much more "John Hughes soundtrack band" than "shoegaze band" based on what I've heard

M83 has made some REALLY goddamn shoegazey stuff

anyway they've probably all been discussed to death in the Thread Of Failure can someone show me a NEW shoegaze band

(where that question is 'name a good 00's shoegaze act that has not featured Ulrich Schnauss as a member')

There are plenty of good 00's shoegaze acts on the noms list!

Asobi Seksu, to answer the question

OK. Haven't minded 'em on what I've heard, but haven't heard much.

'citrus' is an all-time classic of the genre regardless of how "derivative" it is deemed to be. it's a pity AS are one of those bands i liked less once i saw them live.

I almost voted for this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8paDhfGQH4E

I did vote for this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR8jgogxgUw

I voted for Whirring over The Last Drop. I imagine, though, if they're not in the 81-100 range, they're not in at all. :(

'thursday' was my nom, so i do hope somebody voted for it.

'name a good 00's shoegaze act that has not featured Ulrich Schnauss as a member'

I liked certain things by Sereena Maneesh, The Pains of Being Pure at Heart & other bands like that, but a lot of that sort of 00s nu-gaze or whatever was mostly retro rehashing. Dykehouse's Midrange is another good one along those lines.

Bands that took stylistic cues and successfully elaborated on them, well the ones that stick out in my mind most are Asobi Seksu & School of Seven Bells. Maybe Blonde Redhead. Of the IDM overlap contingent, some of the Dan Snaith/Manitoba/Caribou definitely fits the bill & a fair amount of Four Tet as well.

xxp oh I wz just showing LJ some examples of what I thought wz decent 00s shoegaze...I hadn't even heard of these guys until this poll, but I really like Last Drop...

LJ I gave Grasshopper & On My Own a good amount of points each so that should put yr mind at ease...

Having seen how not-shoegaze skewed the votes have been so far there's all kinds of things I'm really noticing the absense of. Like. Only *one* Mazzy Star song, nothing from the first Drugstore album or the first Howling Bells album and all this kind of stuff that is definitely around the edges of whatever this shoegaze-dreampop interface is but doesn't seem to get repped for in the same way. But
them's the breaks I guess.

I kind of wished I had nom'd Lush's "Undertow"...prolley the first shoegaze song I'd ever heard.

but a lot of that sort of 00s nu-gaze or whatever was mostly retro rehashing - Even though most of Bloc Party's music didn't overlap too far into shoegazer territory, this track is the great lost Ride song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzZQJZdcCU4

I voted for Whirring over The Last Drop. I imagine, though, if they're not in the 81-100 range, they're not in at all. :(

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:35 PM (29 minutes ago)

I voted for both but yeah, if neither have shown up yet then they are not going to show up at all.

oooh i would have voted for that bloc party track. totally forgot abou it.

the Thread Of Failure

screw you, at least i'm trying

hey I was being dramatic! was only calling it a failure because people weren't being forthcoming about modern shoegaze, am sure it's full of hot tips - wouldn't have linked it otherwise

haha alright then. i'm trying to keep the flame alive!!

could you helpfully post the 3 or 4 best bands you posted in that thread right here?

just went thru that thread (man i'm an angry dude at times) and came up with these

malory
spc eco
charmparticles
sad day for puppets
depreciation guild

aha marvellous, will research

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA8sC8T5xEw

I always forget about this song b/c I didn't discover it until long after the fact - I had the US "Vapour Trail" version of the EP & for some reason never realized that the UK version had a different song. It is def one of my favorite Ride tracks at this point, tho I don't know that I would have found room on my ballot for it, had it been nominated. I am a little surprised it didn't get nominated, tho.