Macklemore, "Same Love"

I didn't know whether to put this in the Frank Ocean thread, the XXL Freshmen thread, or the rolling terrible songs of 2012 thread (not because I think this is terrible, but because he has been clowned repeatedly there):

http://www.macklemore.com

Say what you will, but good for him, and I don't mind the song either.

Oh, and here's the cover. His uncles:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/412546/SAMELOVE-BLOG-WEB.jpg

The song's not great but the message is expressed well. Hats off to him.

^my thoughts exactly

the number one album on iTunes

"The Heist" Macklemore & Ryan Lewis

Leftsetz is excited about the "Jimmy Iovine" song

I just saw the video for Same Love the other day. Touching.

I like "Thrift Shop" too, even if it's corny as fuck. Thanks for reminding me the album came out today.

that is kind of incredible to me given that I only know Macklemore & Ryan Lewis for their contribution to the Worst Fake Irish Songs of All Time canon.

fuck these guys and the safe, acceptable, Bellevue High School class of 2014-enabled horse they rode in on

that's not very hug-a-thuggable

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/486885_456721987704860_2045808381_n.jpg

So what is his best song? I feel completely out of the loop with this guy, but it looks as if he's blowing up from some sort of grassroots movement.

hearty lol @ "I'm a whore 4 Macklemore"

"best song" would imply he has any good ones

oh hey now, I'm looking at that girl in the lower middle right next to her friend in the orange top.

"best song" would imply he has any good ones

― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:40 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, the man has fans. I'm assuming he has some decent songs at least but don't really want to waste my time looking for them. So I'm hoping someone knows about some that are better than the others. I'm pretty liberal. I can enjoy some Mac Miller once in a while and understand his appeal completely. This guy, though? It must be in there somewhere.

"life's too short" is the weakest, most mockable dismissal to levy against someone's desire to check out a musician, but... well, life's too short

I know it's dumb to compare white rappers to each other just because they're white, but Macklemore already has two more songs I like than Yelawolf and Mac Miller put together.

my basic take on this dude is: "whatever, i like the songs i've heard pretty well"

it's easy to hate the easily hated.

^^ otm, except that I haven't really heard anything I like.

I think what's interesting is that Macklemore seems to be actually crossing over big time without any real media backing outside of the XXL freshmen cover. No one is really paying attention, "important" bloggers and writers are treating him as a joke but sells out shows everywhere (or so I'm told). Mac Miller already did that, but at least he had the Wiz connection, you know? But Mac is too easy to hate and so is Macklemore. So I'm thinking there's something we're missing here, probably. I'm fine with not liking everything the kids like but I like to understand what's going on.

I deal with condescending white liberal Seattlites day in and day out and I have never, not even once when encountering these folks, thought to myself, "you should rap."

there's a generation of Atmosphere fans out there

never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp_lW7yYgiM

Yeah I guess he's the new Slug, really. Atmosphere had some good songs though.

Atmosphere are the only band I've ever heckled

tbf he did go to Garfield, not Bellevue High. I'm not about to start bragging to anyone that he went to my high school though.

I think what's interesting is that Macklemore seems to be actually crossing over big time without any real media backing outside of the XXL freshmen cover. No one is really paying attention, "important" bloggers and writers are treating him as a joke but sells out shows everywhere (or so I'm told). Mac Miller already did that, but at least he had the Wiz connection, you know? But Mac is too easy to hate and so is Macklemore. So I'm thinking there's something we're missing here, probably. I'm fine with not liking everything the kids like but I like to understand what's going on.

― Gelados n cream (longneck), Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

imo it's just the same 'certain strain of white kids that are mainly interested in white rappers' that's been around in different forms for ages, rallying around the beasties, then v.ice, then house of pain, icp, eminem, atmosphere, etc etc etc. the other day i saw a 12 year old girl in a mac miller shirt walking around target w/ her mom.

tbf he did go to Garfield, not Bellevue High. I'm not about to start bragging to anyone that he went to my high school though.

― JoeStork, Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:19 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I said his fans did, not him

I think I got tired of being told by earnest white kids who would be repulsed by the idea of listening to Jay-Z or Lil Wayne that I should listen to Macklemore, ooooh, about 5 years ago.

none of atmosphere are white tho

The Heist is inventive and original. In fact, this album is almost perfect. Except, however, for one song. “White Walls ft. ScHoolBoy Q & Hollis” glamorizes the offensively stereotypical rap favorites of Cadillacs, rims, and hoes. ScHoolBoy Q’s verse, with lines like “White hoes in the back seat snorting coke” are so glaringly out of place that I’ve been trying to figure out if I’m misinterpreting the song. On an album that attacks name brands, eschews misogyny for inclusiveness, and chronicles substance abuse, hoes snorting coke in a Cadillac seem out of place. It’s a sour note that throws off the rest of the otherwise brilliant album.

Mack L'Amour would be a good name for a Heavy D type rapper

and just now Macklemore is on the radio rapping intensely and earnestly about his battle for sobriety

ha some dude

according to my facebook feed over the last 20 minutes The Gays are Sold

oh lord

Dick's is the place where the cool hang out.

I've never liked their burgers tbh. I did meet Tabes outside of Dick's tho!

I finally heard some of this guy's stuff and it just seems like the logical extension of a lot of the underground rap that was predominantly popular with white teenagers--he's definitely a more humorless Slug, but I could see this kinda thing ticking boxes for people who were also really into, like, Eyedea or Cunninlynguists.

That being said, I have liked a couple songs by all three of those and nothing this guy has put out seems remotely close to listenable? What is the appeal beyond him "not rapping about hoes and cars," because the lyrics can't be it?

also, what the fuck even is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhf5cuXiLTA

What is the appeal beyond him "not rapping about hoes and cars," because the lyrics can't be it?

― fadanuf4erybody, Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:26 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

conscious rap has always been one of those genres defined more by what it's not about than what it's about.

yeah i get that, but this kinda thing is so separate from the actual genre in a way closer to mac miller than, i dunno, any of those '00s white guys or talib kweli. honestly shocked that schoolboy q has a verse on this, just so out of place

i think there's some rule that every rapper who becomes famous or semi-famous the same year has to do a song together, no matter how little sense it makes

I don't love this dude, but it's hard to hate thrift shop

and maaaan I tried

i can't decide if his voice sounds more exactly like slug's or buck 65's (all wite rappers sound the same)

Mack L'Amour would be a good name for a Heavy D type rapper

― some dude, Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If Macklemore changed his name to Mack L'Amour I'd become a fan.

I still wouldn't buy his music though. I'd just, you know, defend him on the internet.

I still define conscious rap as afrocentric, this post atmosphere stuff feels different imo

they're gonna do no. 1 on billboard next week

actually i guess mumfords are gonna go no. 1 again, but macklemore will be up there

Your take on this guy, Jordan?

i haven't gotten around to listening to this stuff much yet but uhhhh about what you would expect, i think

Lol. I guess I just want there to be some kind of mystery that I'm not getting here. I hate hating on stuff that's just too easy to hate.

After a bit of consideration it's very interesting that the kids actually WANT this. It's basically anti-hipster music, music that's taking sincerity to another level, all big feelings and no holding back, no irony or guile, the rap equivalent of Big Country and Mumford & sons. It's a sign of the times.

I mean, Atmosphere was for the rap nerds. This is for the kids.

"The question isn't whether this Seattle alt-rapper is a cornball, it's whether he's so dumb he's a cornball or so brave he's a cornball."

-Christgau

I don't think it's either or.

http://www.complex.com/music/2012/10/macklemore-ryan-lewis-the-heist-sells-over-74000-copies

Dude's number 2 - after Mumford, appropriately enough.

It's basically anti-hipster music

if we're still using hipster in 2012 it seems pretty hipster 2 me

how? (and for the record i'm not usually using hipster in 2012)

also, what the fuck even is this

well starting at that video, for one

That vid is a lark that's pretty much 180 from what he normally does. He's making fun of hipsters in it, not embracing them.

would you say he's being... sarcastic

He is being blatantly dorky and uncool. It compliments his usual overly sincere thing more than it contradicts it, I think. I'm impressed by how good he is at selling this to his audience. And it's too broad to be sarcastic, probably.

He is being blatantly dorky and uncool. It compliments his usual overly sincere thing more than it contradicts it, I think.

Yup.

He seems like someone I would have known in college, like maybe someone everyone knew in college. Fun at parties, basically a good guy in spite of his putzy personality, someone you'd probably wind up bear hugging at 3AM when plastered and telling him he's "da man"

Speaking of white independent rappers who are more popular with the kids than with the crits, this new Nico-sampling Mac Miller joint is pretty out there. I like it.
http://soundcloud.com/larryfisherman/these-dayz-dope-awprah-prod

I came looking for this thread expecting to find a good centralized collection of enthusiasms. Surprised to find a bunch of casual dismissal instead. But "the rap equivalent of Big Country" is perfect, thanks.

I'm enthusiastic about the song in the thread title. Big time. Thrift Shop is pretty irresistible. Guy's got several decent to above average songs, and some clunkers, too. And he gets to preachy, but we know that going in.

But as far as I'm concerned, "Same Love" gives him a pass for his missteps.

Seems like a solid dude. Give me Macklemore over, like, Spaceghostpurp or whatever.

I just heard the whole album for the first time, so I shouldn't make any grand statements, but between this, Urthboy and K'naan it's seeming like a really good year for hip hop pop, or whatever this stuff is, to me. (Plus all the 2010/2011 grime I missed at the time.)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6iekmPrvL1qb9wqio12_250.gif

k'naan is probably one of those guys that's like way more popular than you think he is

Seems like a solid dude. Give me Macklemore over, like, Spaceghostpurp or whatever.

lol talk about stacking the deck

fair enough. how bout Main Attrakionz or however you spell it?

How about them?

maybe they're a slightly fairer fight

Real talk I'd listen to nothing but Spaceghostpurrp and Main Attrakionz for a month if it meant I never had to see Macklemore's name again.

It makes sense that someone who doesn't like MA or Spaceghostburp might enjoy Mackiemore though.

i dont think anyone here really reps for either main attrakionz or sgp

I though 808 was great, but not feeling the album, like the other Green Ova more (Shady Blaze)

ha i like main attrakionz a lot

i really hope people irl pronounce their name phonetically

Not saying anyone here reps for ma or sgp but I sure do read their names a lot on the internet. Just saying id rather listen to this corny dude than those currently "cool" dudes, that's all.

Definitely know where the Rev stands on Macklemore by now, tho.

this guy is vile, but i find much to enjoy in that thrift shop song

been a bit of a cult favourite at parties the past few months or so

ha, to be fair I've been a lot more cogent in my macklemore hate on twitter than I have here but don't feel like rehashing all the stuff I said there so just settling for base-lvl hatin' instead

safe, acceptable, Bellevue High School class of 2014

Roll the year back a bit and allow for all the other eastside burbs and this is like 50% of my students. They all seem to love the shit out of these dudes.

I like Main Attrakionz but their problem is that they're not important to anyone. Mackiemore stakes his career on being incredibly important to a certain audience. So in a sense he wins even though I kinda hate him.

that's otm

How the fuck did this guy make it to #1 in NZ w/"Thrift Shop"?

that sounds about right

it's pretty killer if you ignore him completely and never watch the video or learn the title

entered at #4 in Australia last week, up to #2 this week

PS I love Thrift Shop ;-;

The beat is annoying and stiff as fuck tho. xp

thrift shop is super corny

beat is the thing i like most about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i thought it was the only thing anyone liked about it

This even sounds like Australian rap. Not good.

hey c'mon Tim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g12f7uDIGZc&list=UL

this is bummers :/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/susan-johnson-michigan-teacher-gay-song-suspended_n_2211725.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003&ir=Detroit

this dude is an extended prank, right

he sounds like Macauley Culkin circa Home Alone or something

Chris Weingarten @1000TimesYes

Fucking Macklemore is number one on the Hot 100. I'm more ashamed of America right now than the time they re-elected George W. Bush

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ews27a5bZQs/Ts1L8pSBanI/AAAAAAAARiw/bfcuzsJhiIQ/s1600/crying-eagle.jpg

ohhhh lord mix-a-lot kid sensation please talk to this sucker cause they killing hip hop they taking the pain and struggle of life of hip hop the only thing we coulda express our minds and pain. and these suckers took it and made it look like garbage thats why we get judge so much cause these shit dont be making sence

The Reverend wrote this on thread WHAT KILLED THE UNDERGROUND on board I Love Music on Aug 29, 2007

I haven't read the whole thread, but the Defari & J-Zone bits at the top and bottom are definitely what's up. I hate the hiphop scene here, because the only things that get championed are nerd rappers with names like Common Market and Optimus Rhyme (actually, that's a great name, but damn if I wanna listen to anyone who calls himself that) and Macklemore, who raps about his white liberal guilt, and anything that sounds like it was made by actual humans, instead of backpack-bots gets overlooked.

seattle used to have swag man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=renc0ZVmz4Y

ohhhh lord mix-a-lot kid sensation

lol

I'm having trouble explaining to people IRL why "same love" is bad

ha, i was just engaged in "why 'same love' is bad" with noz on twitter

i've never heard this song... think i might make this the first ever no. 1 single i ever purposefully ignore

ha, i was just engaged in "why 'same love' is bad" with noz on twitter

― The Reverend, Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:58 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

you should pitch this somewhere

it's an impt point

i remember thinking it was so weird that mix-a-lot was from seattle, it was before grunge and shit so seattle didn't really have much of an image in my brain

but i always wanted to hang out with the swass at Dick's

mix got his roots in that mid-80s west coast electro scene so it makes perfect sense

I met the table is the table in front of Dick's on Broadway (true story)

yeah totally does, but you know this was way back so that stuff didn't really travel far you know...it's more just thinking about before people had much of an idea of what seattle was as a city! kinda trippy.

i'm listening to this

it's really bad obv

has anyone noticed something kinda noticed this kinda annoying what he enunciates words? like his "Ps" really pop in an annoying way and the sibilance on his "S's" suck, maybe it's just the tone of his voice & the say it's recorded

man the rhymesayers dudes must be kinda salty watching this dude go huge with a way worse version of their style

I met the table is the table in front of Dick's on Broadway (true story)

― The Reverend, Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nice! i'd like to think Larry the White Guy and Attitude Adjuster are still there to this day, eating hamburgers

it's basically "Gangnam Style," goofy pop rap satire of materialism w/ a viral video

who is ryan lewis btw? is he a producer?

oh he's this douche singing

no that's Wanz, Ryan Lewis is the producer

man the rhymesayers dudes must be kinda salty watching this dude go huge with a way worse version of their style

― My Lol's Beyond (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:05 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's wonderful to watch white rappers have their music stolen by the white man

o god this is the dude w/ that one song I didn't know

for sake of balance, i'm posting this dope circa-2000 local hit

http://thanorthwest.com/samples/audio8/uaua5.mp3

http://s.discogss.com/image/R-109345-1278180783.jpeg

have any other "independent" tracks gone #1 on the Hot 100 in the last few years? I'm trying to think of other examples but can't think of any

rev doing the lords work itt

tho its p funny too how the rest of Ilx/rap cant even be bothered

anyway I have a complaint re the thrifting song, maklmor is so obvs a menswear bro not some sort of fun 2nd hand shopper

willy
‏@willystaley
Macklemore 2012: "Thrift Shop" Macklemore 2014: "H&M and Uniqlo" Macklemore 2016: "J.Crew"

ahaha

2018 apc

hadn't heard of these guys (is it one guy?) at all but a friend was raving and posting links about them on twitter the other morning - I finally clicked on one and it totally ruined my day. horrifying stuff.

I met the table is the table in front of Dick's on Broadway (true story)

this was the first place i ate when i was there!

i still haven't heard this guy

ok i've heard this guy now and oyyyyy

Here's a short mix of Charles Mudede's top 20 Seattle Hip Hop tracks for 2012 if you want to know what else was happening around town.

https://soundcloud.com/pop-life-recordings/best-of-seattle-hip-hop-2012-1

Fresh Espresso - “Goodnight Sinatra”

lol

charles mudede is kinda crazy fyi

Charles Mudede is a fucking genius. Crazy? Perhaps, but aren't all brilliant minds?

while we're in the shop

http://i.imgur.com/w0NABTK.jpg

& http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/?p=4124

awesome

Swass by Sir Mix-a-Lot was weirdly big in my little MN farm town, like Mix was as big as Run-DMC or LL or NWA or Slick Rick or Too Short whatever else was going on...bunch of dudes wore the swass shirt and fake mercedes chains

ha, i was just engaged in "why 'same love' is bad" with noz on twitter

― The Reverend, Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:58 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

you should pitch this somewhere

― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2013 01:00 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's an impt point

― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2013 01:00 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i kind of don't get this -- i can see why same love is 'bad' but i don't see why it's importantly bad

i think the level of hate being evinced for guy is kinda sad tbh

I love when max posts his mail:

max read ‏@max_read

"Okay motherfucker. Clearly you don't understand the lyrical genius Macklemore includes in his music. "

max read ‏@max_read

"In this way he uses sarcasm to flaunt the way his clothes are unique, cooler,

max read ‏@max_read

and give him more style then the expensive shit everyone else in the "rap game" brags about."

max read ‏@max_read

"I fucking grew up in Richmond Virginia. I'm Black."

didmax write something abt macklemore

"I fucking grew up in Richmond Virginia. I'm Black."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY

feel like im in some alternate universe where Cock Mobster was an inescapable smash hit. except this is way worse

well, the radio edit "Rock Lobster" was quite popular

Ha! xp

ha! xp again

the thing that's weird about the thrift store song, when hearing it on the radio, is how chintzy and un-current it sounds. sounds like he got that mf'in beat at the thrift shop. anyway, that's all i have to say about this guy who i was hoping to die without ever listening to.

what a disaster for marriage equality

intro printmaking class has their first projects up on the wall - one was titled "Same Love", another from a different student was titled "Thrift Store"

should've said "this one's titled MY FIST" and punched them off the wall

haha

i hear this song at the gym all the time and all i ever hear is the sax and the chorus, the raps are completely inaudible on the gym speakers fwiw

they were playing a macklemore song as bumper music on my local sports talk radio station

xpost that's like how this lady in my office plays the radio at such a low volume that the only thing i ever hear at my desk is the synth line to "we found love" 5 to 6 times a day

haha yeah workplaces and other situations where radio is kept at an almost subliminal volume is one of my biggest pet peeves

yeah just hear the faintest hi-hat patterns and shit, so annoying

really the most offensive part of this song is the blatant Nate Dogg imitation on the hook

i just listened to this song for the first time

holy shit this nate dogg thing is unbelievable

this is like if nate dogg's career had gone horribly wrong in the 90s and he had collaborated with LFO

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1537520/wanz-qa-meet-the-f-ing-awesome-singer-in-thrift-shop

He was looking for a guy that sounds like Nate Dogg. For a decade, I've been known as the Nate Dogg of North End in Seattle

i honestly didn't mind that part of the song that much until i learned they wrote it purposefully as a faux-nate dogg hook, ugh

this thread is great

between this, Urthboy and K'naan it's seeming like a really good year for hip hop pop, or whatever this stuff is, to me. (Plus all the 2010/2011 grime I missed at the time.)

"I didn't know whether to put this in the Frank Ocean thread"

hahahahaha yes i was just gonna post that too.

He was looking for a guy that sounds like Nate Dogg. For a decade, I've been known as the Nate Dogg of North End in Seattle

― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Friday, February 8, 2013 8:18 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I live in the North End and totally did not know him as the Nate Dogg of North End.

Also might bear mentioning that the North End is the mostly white part of Seattle.

"For a decade, I've been known as the Nate Dogg of North End in Seattle" has a better ring to it than "For a decade, I've been known as the black guy of North End in Seattle"

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b24E-hZcAIA

http://youtu.be/b24E-hZcAIA

Am I the only one who hears a connection between Hot Chip's Playboy and thrift shop?

i get why this is possible but it ain't really working for me

er, popular = possible

and i mean, fuck, i worked at a salvation army thrift store for two years and at least half my closet is still thrift store finds but i cannot get with this
though i have heard less enjoyable novelty hits in the past 365

btw that NPR piece about "ooh he hired a label for distribution" was some lightweight bullshit. noz tweets otm as usual.

hahaha this song continues to be the worst thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cnm0tdkJEU

she said 'freakin'

<i>he called the shit "poop"</i>

http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/02/15/macklemore_nba_ad_with_wings_is_the_rapper_a_sellout.html?original_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fsearch.html%3Fq%3Dmacklemore

This guy...

http://www.hulu.com/watch/472474?playlist_id=1031

my alma mater got macklemore to play spring fling https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9627011/photos/facepalm.gif

we got Tyga, so some of the pain is being spread around

obv you got more... MACKLEMORE

I still think this guy is by far the least hateful of this generation of frat rappers

I guess by some measurements "Thrift Shop" is slightly better than "I Love College," but otoh the damn, that's a cold ass honky line is the worst thing to ever happen

there hasn't been non-hatable white frat rap* since House of Pain

* black frats exist and they listen to rap too, just in case you forgot; in fact, all rap can be described as "frat rap"

ΝωΑ

in fact, all rap can be described as "frat rap"

― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Monday, April 15, 2013 4:56 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh yeah? what about... uh... that weird eurorapper guy on the original version of 'Self Control'

Macklemore is performing at Preakness this year, but i take some consolation in the fact that he is opening for Pitbull

there hasn't been non-hatable white frat rap* since House of Pain

* black frats exist and they listen to rap too, just in case you forgot; in fact, all rap can be described as "frat rap"

― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Monday, April 15, 2013 4:56 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

house of pain were much more legit than any of our mackelmores, their audience may have been fratty but they themselves werent really those bros

I still think this guy is by far the least hateful of this generation of frat rappers

― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Monday, April 15, 2013 1:52 PM Bookmark

I dunno, the whole repeatedly being sanctimonious towards black people in his lyrics thing gives me a special hate-on towards him. Plus the yeaaaaarrrrs of people trying to shove this guy down me throat.

i'll get me throat

the whole repeatedly being sanctimonious towards black people in his lyrics thing gives me a special hate-on towards him.

^ this

lol typo xp :(

i watched his snl w a friend who had never heard of him and she just couldnt believe it

macklesnore.

Everlast was part of rhyme syndicate way before house of pain so he's hardly frat rap

a couple years ago, i was in a bar and heard this guy explaining really loud and insistent how REAL RAP was better than all that fake shit on TV about bling and guns and cars and shit, that REAL RAP was positive and enlightening, and all the gangsters and dealers and bitches and shit were a con, a commercial ploy, the debasement of a pure form in the hands of perpetrating phonies. there were only about four people in the place, huge place, and i was so fucking to tempted to go over there and beg him to shut up, maybe just hold it down, was so painful to hear. i of course refrained.

just watched "thrift shop". ha! how wrong was i? he's a star.

wait, macklemore was the guy in the bar? not sure I'm reading this right...

and then he gifted me a teal windbreaker, special moment, deep communication

yeah

turns out he's pretty bad, too

oh yeah I forget you are a local

great story tho

was a local, now i'm a million miles away

wait, macklemore was the guy in the bar? not sure I'm reading this right...

― sandra dayo connor (The Reverend), Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:33 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha wow totally didt catch that lol

just ctrl-F'd this thread and the word "precious" has not yet been used to describe macklemore

i can deal with "hateful" but can we please cut it out with smugly self-satisfied rappers?

for those who havent seen the snl performance it is for sure appointment tv, even more so than his records it really came through what an amateur he is, like his voice is so wack it didnt cut through the beat or ride the beat or anything it was just obliterated by the beat, but it didnt seem to be a mixing issue, you could hear him but not hear him, its the sort of basic ass thing you could tell he just hasnt noticed or thought about or worked on, and then his whole stage presence was simultaneously so theatrical and so aimless, it didnt have any connection to the music or anything particularly, he was just wearing silly clothes and jumping around arrhythmically , you could tell his whole plan was just to put a ton of energy out there and hopefully the crowd gets hyped up, it was all really crazily entry level, like i already thought he sucked bigtime and i was shocked at how bad it was

sound mix on snl is always ass tho

On the radio here the DJs are particular about pronouncing his name "Mack - luh - more" which is just so much more precious than "Mackel - more", is it really the former?

i was shocked at how bad it was

― lag∞n, Monday, April 15, 2013 11:01 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Macklemore

Everlast was part of rhyme syndicate way before house of pain so he's hardly frat rap

You may have glossed over the part of my post where I objected to the cultural assumptions behind the term "frat rap"

Pomp - luh - moose
Mack - luh - more

My kid is so into Thrift Shop right now. He keeps trying to show me youtubes of like Minecraft Thrift Shop and the like. Yesterday, he was like "you know the part that he sings over and over again? I memorized that!" He pronounces it Mackel-uh-more.

so macklamoose is barney?

sound mix on snl is always ass tho

― sandra dayo connor (The Reverend), Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:21 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it was bad but the underlying wackness shown through

wait this clown was on SNL?

Of course he was.

http://idolator.com/7444489/macklemore-ryan-lewis-saturday-night-live-watch

So here are my thoughts on Macklemore. Before I ever heard his music, I got the impression that ILM thought he was wack, so when "Thrift Shop" blew up, I was like, ugh, this is *that* clown. But then people I love and care about -- but people who aren't at all invested in hip-hop or what Macklemore "represents" -- started talking about how great "Thrift Shop" was. And I had to defend why I didn't like him, but I realized I couldn't. I mean, something something anti-bling something something appropriation. Whatever. The song is pretty good. Not great, but pretty good. Catchy as fuck. The end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehJFc1W0VKE

lol jaymc 'your objections are conceptual, its a good song, whatever', but check out this counterpoint bro: its a terrible song

i'm not impressed by this guy in the slightest, but I find the whole "omg a white guy taking a critical stance on hip-hop culture while appropriating it at the same time, the NERVE" thing ironic when it comes from folks who dig Beck & the Beasties.

omg fuck that google movie in the face

the answer is to not dig beck (ugh) or the beasties either

rip hip-hop wytes

omg fuck that google movie in the face

― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:38 AM Bookmark

that preview almost gave me a conniption when i saw it in the theater

jaymc still providing ilm with the valuable pov of people who don't really care about music i see

the sample and melody to the hook are decent. shame about everything else.

catchiness is not an indicator of quality

lol @ comparing Macklemore to Beck or (especially) the Beasties btw

o man i just rescreened the snl performance, just unbelievable, especially the non thrift store song

lol he did the Ellen show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4HbtTKsHL0

It's basically just a Lonely Island song, no?

totally Ellen music

lol a longboard of course

his dancing

and pancho

he's really awkward to watch

it's painful really

lol jaymc 'your objections are conceptual, its a good song, whatever', but check out this counterpoint bro: its a terrible song

That's a good counterpoint. I think I disagree, though.

jaymc still providing ilm with the valuable pov of people who don't really care about music i see

I don't know what this means.

I can't believe I haven't gone in on Ryan Lewis itt but FUCK RYAN LEWIS. His "fun" songs have no groove whatsoever and his "serious songs" are three times as bossy as a John Williams score. That guy is the fucking worst producer. This thread needs more Ryan Lewis slander.

I'm not saying that anyone criticizing Macklemore is misguided or anything. You probably all have perfectly good reasons to dislike him -- I didn't.

his sound is v thin, macklemores voice is v thin, they have no idea what theyre doin xp

catchiness is not an indicator of quality

― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:42 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

hmm

also that sax loop is annoying af

catchiness is not an indicator of quality

Not always, but it often is for me. YMMV.

getting the feeling that its vital to a lot of ur identities that u hate macklemore & its just a convenience that his horrible music justifies it

if i admit to enjoying several g love and the special sauce songs in the past am i then allowed to dislike macklemore authentically, do i have to pay a tribute, just tell me

lol

seriously i love to be contrarian and if there was any semi-reasonable redeeming quality for this guy i'd love to find a reason to like him.

this ellen performance is such a mess. what is he even wearing why.

his sound is v thin, macklemores voice is v thin, they have no idea what theyre doin xp

no idea what they're doing all the way to the bank, right?

it's the RFD: Light-hearted, whimsical indie hipster music that seemed specifically manufactured for Apple commercials -ification of rap, amirite?

this ellen performance is such a mess. what is he even wearing why.

a poncho, from a thrift shop, c'mon keep up here

haha yeah when laggy complained that he wore "silly clothes" on snl it's like uh...

his outfit on snl is clearly not from a thrift shop tho

also you can find nice clothes at thrift shops its not just some stupid joke

i mean you can dess like a fool for not that much money is not a v good critique of consumerism

the distance between macklemore and mumfords or karmin seems awfully short. cheerful, encouraging, seemingly well-adjusted happytimes homeowner music for people who like to barbecue and hold babies and go to hot yoga and make car payments on time. nothing really wrong with it, except that it makes my skin crawl.

who doesn't like barbeque

boy i sure do hate homeowners

ooooh you mean people who barbeque and hold babies and do yoga at the same time, phew *wipes brow*

Thought this was the privilege meme thread for a sec

hey, i get weirded out by nice things. it's nothing i'm particularly proud of, but that doesn't change the situation.

macklemore is ill-suited to curmudgery

I don't mind Karmin

Macklemore can die in a fire tho

I don't mind Karmin

.....

we live in a world where Drake is making bank, in that landscape Karmin is the definition of "lesser of two evils"

if you watch the snl performance on mute and with no prior knowledge of macklemore you will very possibly mistake it for an snl performance from the early 90s

there is no greater evil than karmin, not even macklemore

ya drake is mozart to those two

Karmin ia irritating but I can detect talent there; call it the Jessie J Effect

we live in a world where Drake is making bank, in that landscape Karmin is the definition of "lesser of two evils"

― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the Karmin version of "Started From The Bottom" is better than the original, or at least more hilariously trolly

http://observer.com/2013/04/you-would-have-done-the-same-woman-chokes-out-boyfriend-for-singing-macklemores-thrift-store-repeatedly/

http://25.media.tumblr.com/1744c745d7716aa0e60df4d972ea5a00/tumblr_ml05vgEzmM1qzfbufo1_500.png

i don't know where you guys come from saying that it's terrible thin music... i would probably like the song if not for the brats who perform it. knowing how insufferably turdy macklemore and ryan lewis are causes me a great deal of anguish like noooo why do i have to hate this soooong

p.s. i also say "mac-ull-more" but i think the argument for "mac-le-more" might come from vintage seattle mariners utility player mark mclemore (mac-le-more), who our boy is supposedly named after

wow that is a name i have not heard in forever

i've had this fucking song in my head all day and i've wanted to cut my head off all day, can we please just close this thread

catchiness can often be an indicator of quality but not when it makes you wish you were never born

catchiness is an indicator of the quality of catchiness

I heard the new Macklemore single and thought it was B.o.B. at first

What's the deal with B.o.B. anyway? All I know about him is that he raps on "Airplanes," and I like that tune.

― jaymc, Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:03 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he's a clown

he might be the most recent chart-topper that i've completely forgotten about

so this is a p standard shitty article about racism with one interesting/unintentionally hilarious + sad fact:

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2013/04/19/racial-mockery-hopkins-high-sparks-outrage-black-student-handcuffed

The incident began on Feb. 13; when eight to 10 white members of the school's ski team came to school dressed in motley ensembles of do-rags, fur coats, white tank top undershirts, sagging pants and gold chains. One even had a fake marijuana joint tucked behind his ear. Somehow word spread that the students were celebrating a "Ghetto Spirit Day." Those who came to school in costume dispute this assertion, and claimed to school administrators that they were dressing up to mimic popular white rapper, Macklemore, who sings "Thrift Shop."

I dunno, the whole repeatedly being sanctimonious towards black people in his lyrics thing gives me a special hate-on towards him

wait, this guy has MORE songs with casual racism? ugh.

I - I - I'm hunting, looking for a come-up

One man's trash, that's another man's come-up

Is "come-up" a real phrase or is he trying to make it happen?

tis a rare thing when someone can establish themselves as less aware of entry level slang than macklemore, let's all politely look away in embarrassment

the weather sure did turn cold today

although granted it's unacceptable that macklemoose puts it in the song twice, neither time really in the way anyone else would use it xp

Nah you're forcing it, there are enough reasons to clown Macklemore without picking that shit out.

tis a rare thing when someone can establish themselves as less aware of entry level slang than macklemore, let's all politely look away in embarrassment

― some dude, Monday, April 22, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tis a rare thing when someone can establish themselves as less aware of entry level slang than macklemore, let's all politely look away in embarrassment

― some dude, Monday, April 22, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well how should it be used? I've never heard it before, but it sounded really awkward.

second quote should be some dude's second post, obviously.

I like it better this way, it's like a superior version of Amanda Palmer's Dzhokhar Tsarnaev poem

you don't know how to use the phrase "come up"

In the usage "to come up", yeah. But I've never heard "a come-up", which is what Macklemoo is doing here.

when used as a noun it's usually "on the come-up" (or "creepin on ah come up" in bone thugs terms)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1lh1a6dTO1qei7y4o1_500.jpg

Oh ok. I never listened to Bone Thugs! I guess it has some legitimacy. It sounds really weird, especially the way he lets it out there twice in the same song.

i hope this will explain it once and for all from the website urbandictionary.com

1. come up
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A bargain, or a found item that is of value to the finder.
"One man's trash, that's another man's come up." - from Thrift Shop by Macklemore

lmao

hahaha

there are enough reasons to clown Macklemore without picking that shit out

still funny tho

hey i'm laughing at urbandictionary now

that's such a shitty line tho

every macklemore line just has this "look ma i'm rapping!!!" subtext

"that's great, honey"

lol oym

otm too

ha yeah

back at #1 with "Can't Hold Us" :/

I tried to listen to that "Can't Hold Us", but got as far as that "return of the mack" line before exiting the browser in protest.

i've switched the station many times due to this song

of course it is also #1 on r&b/hip-hop songs despite not registering on r&b/hip-hop airplay at all (correct me if i am wrong, sometimes i am bad at using the billboard site)

No, you're right. It's nowhere to be found on hip-hop airplay charts. Thrift Shop also only got as high as #47 there as well and even that was only after some stations probably felt compelled to play what was the #1 hip-hop song in the country at the time according to Billboard. Though that makes me wonder how their label approached getting them on the radio. Did they approach hip-hop stations who just had no interest in playing his songs, or did they avoid hip-hop radio entirely and only go for pop, alt, rhythmic and HAC radio?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmd7rV6ZUjg

Posted mainly for advances in sunglasses fashion.

Anyone else get Bring Em Out vibes from Thrift Shop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuyxX5P5Xug

:(

You just compared one of my favorite rap songs to one of my least favorite rap songs.

Thought this was gonna be revived for: “Same Love,” same old shit?

Yeah Bring Em Out is all time, listened to Urban Legend yesterday. As sad as it is, am I wrong?

You are wrong.

K thx

awesome:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/al-madrigal-on-why-he-abhors-macklemore-ryan-lewi,98825/

The argument about his kids seems a little weak, of all the pop stars out there I don't think Macklemore is the one that's going to corrupt his heretofore innocent children.

I have had pretty much the same experience as this dude, particularly with the roomful of neighborhood kids all rapping along and saying "Pissssssssssss".

Also, my kid had apparently been listening to Poker Face on the radio the other day because he asked me to explain "bluffin' with my muffin".

yeah i mean rappers introducing kids to dirty words is not really a unique concept, i don't think he's really saying it is, just that that song was his experience and he hates the song for it. w/ "thrift shop" i suppose it's arguably more insidious because it's this fun song about funny clothes and it's slightly more relateable to little kids that the avg rap hit.

I mean, that's exactly it. This is just the 2010s version of 80s kids asking their parents what an aphrodesiac is after hearing Funky Cold Medina.

Dad, what does he mean "that's what happens when bodies start slappin' from doin' the wild thing"?

Except that Macklemore is worse than Tone Loc for any possible reason you could come up with.

along these lines, it cracked me up that "Afternoon Delight" was an AM easy listening staple when I was younger once I was old enough to get the lyrics

all the articles critical of "same love" i have seen are completely filled w/ comments by ppl defending it, claiming the author of the piece is stupid or ignorant or a bad writer (the latter always cracks me up b/c the comments are not very well written themselves), etc. :\\\\\

Indeed. Karen Tongson, who wrote the (quite excellent) article the Rev linked a few posts back, put up a response on FB about that kind of reaction.

to me i think its a weird/cool sign of progress that the al madrigal thing is a mexican american dad kvetching over raunchy lyrics by a white rapper

along these lines, it cracked me up that "Afternoon Delight" was an AM easy listening staple when I was younger once I was old enough to get the lyrics

― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:08 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like all children, i assume, i thought afternoon delight was about spaceships

I wondered why my mom would giggle when I sang along and refused to harmonize with me; later on, I looked back on that decision and realized exactly how wise my mother actually was.

Thanks, Daniel Stern.

I agree w/Karen Tongston & I know what she's saying but I gave a big involuntary privileged eyeroll to "CHANGE HETEROSEXUALITY"

I think I've posted this elsewhere, but when he was 4 or 5, one of my kid's favorite songs was 3 by Britney Spears. I mean, it really has a certain appeal for people with rudimentary math skills.

Crut, I wanted a further elaboration on that as well.

"...dare to imagine beyond a certain kind of normativity, and challenge the power that adheres to these very categories"

Is this part, which directly follows "Change Heterosexuality", not a (brief) explanation of what she means?

idk. it's probably best that I don't explain why that rubbed me the wrong way because it's not really relevant that it rubbed me the wrong way.

That isn't really an explanation, imo.

But also know, the phrase itself didn't rub me the wrong way. Just that she didn't explain it.

Same Love is #7 on Billboard's R&B/Hip-Hop Chart and rising. I'm preparing myself now for all the think pieces about ~What It Means For Hip-Hop~.

you're literally a year too late for that

Before the chatter was about whether hip-hop was finally ready or whatever, and mostly about patting Macklemore on the back for his daring, but at the time the song wasn't actually making any waves in hip-hop or having any notable impact on hip-hop charts or radio. Whereas now (according to the way Billboard does the charts at least), the song is actually doing something, which could inspire another wave of navel gazing. Now that I check, it's not just rising on those chart's either. It gained a new peak on the Hot 100 too, is rising on itunes and is building on radio. It could become a legitimate hit, which is what it hadn't really been up to this point, despite being a much discussed song.

The 'daring' there should be in massive sarcasm quotes.

It's completely inescapable here right now :|

rising on the hot 100 = rising on r&b/hip-hop songs now, btw. the data used in both charts is now compiled in exactly the same way so they don't really represent anything different w/r/t audience anymore.

but yeah i am hearing the song on the radio more now and i have to bite my tongue in the car while my friends all praise it

about 5 of my friends seem to post this on FB every two weeks.

heard this on the radio today, it made me cry, omg i love weddings

the more i listen to it the more i can feel my support for gay men pulsating

there's a man on the radio saying "if i were gay", omg i love 2013 so much thanks obama!!

I deal with condescending white liberal Seattlites day in and day out and I have never, not even once when encountering these folks, thought to myself, "you should rap."

― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:40 PM Bookmark

qft

does anyone else listen to this song and just poop their pants

i played this song for my gay teacher and he started crying and i started crying and the whole class started crying and applauding me and my bravery and that's when the soviets finally attacked

when i grow up i want macklemore to eat my asshole

i think the level of hate being evinced for guy is kinda sad tbh

― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp)

i agree, the guy's not a great rapper or even a good one but his songs are catchy as hell. (i remember saying the same thing about jay-z at one point)

i have never heard "same love" but i read the lyrics and they seem pretty on-point for a chart rapper. rev i would be v interested to read your takedown.

haha i am realizing that if i like the hooks i should be praising ryan lewis? the guy looks like such an immense douche though. :(

i have never heard "same love" but i read the lyrics and they seem pretty on-point for a chart rapper.

It's a pretty corny song from a musical standpoint. But yeah, there's nothing wrong with the lyrics. I think there's a good argument that it would've been braver to have the hook sung by a dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUw4Qh9uFK8

heard this on the radio today, it made me cry, omg i love weddings

i agree, the guy's not a great rapper or even a good one but his songs are catchy as hell. (i remember saying the same thing about jay-z at one point)

O_O

emphasis on the content in parentheses

can i get a what what to these bitches from all of my uncles who don't love hoes, because they're homos

lol

Neanderthal you laugh but that was a pretty uncontroversial opinion for awhile; i don't take any credit for its originality

i agree, the guy's not a great rapper or even a good one but his songs are catchy as hell. (i remember saying the same thing about jay-z at one point)

i have never heard "same love" but i read the lyrics and they seem pretty on-point for a chart rapper. rev i would be v interested to read your takedown.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, June 23, 2013 7:31 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha i am realizing that if i like the hooks i should be praising ryan lewis? the guy looks like such an immense douche though. :(

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, June 23, 2013 7:41 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

people upthread saying catchiness in music is unimportant made me wonder if i was reading an alternate universe ILM

it's making me wonder when the last time such an explicitly political protest song had some chart burn.

green day's politics are murky at best, and then We Are the World 25 or w/e?

Maybe Dixie Chicks' "Not Ready to Make Nice," which was 2006, but seems like an eon ago

I'm not really familiar with the lyrics, but didn't Born This Way cover similar ground?

The piano is playing "Waiting on the World to Change"

Or maybe it's "People Get Ready"

I think there's a good argument that it would've been braver to have the hook sung by a dude

how's life hates lesbians

"Born This Way" > this > "Where is the Love"

http://www.shopworldph.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Jansport-Elefunk-Core-Series-Messenger-880x1024.jpg

Neanderthal you laugh but that was a pretty uncontroversial opinion for awhile; i don't take any credit for its originality

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh I know, I was actually one of those folks in my early 20s! well except that I hated him outright so I could listen to backpackers rap about the filthiness of tap water and how the periodic table was dope

did you

ok i figured it out, it was driving me nuts

"I Love College" by Asher Roth. it's in the same key and everything.

as for the content of the lyrics, i kinda don't care because he's a shitty boring rapper, although i'm sure this song will continue chart ascension throughout the next few weeks.

KROQ loves white rappers.

I like Macklemore as a rapper, he sounds precocious

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2006956/butt-head-slapping-beavis-o.gif

he sounds precocious in the sense that he sounds like a self-impressed 15-year-old, which is not charming at all for a 30-year-old

that's just what being 30 is now right?

Macklemore is usually posted by my friends on FB, followed by the phrase

"I DON'T EVEN USUALLY LIKE RAP, BUT...."

haha yes I've experienced this.

Like a self-impressed kid is exactly what I was going for with precocious, yeah.

C'mon guys, you liked it when Kreayshawn did it. Or what about Kitty Pryde?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/the-kidz-bop-version-of-macklemores-thrift-shop-is-the-worst

Amazingly, as horrible as this is, it's more charming than the original

when i grow up i want macklemore to eat my asshole

― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Sunday, 23 June 2013 00:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

slept on post imo

this dude's gonna sell out a third night at Key Arena tomorrow. sorry, Rev :(

Macklemore must be stopped

i heard this song on the radio the other day. its about respecting gay people. it's really bad

and it's not really that respectful of gay people!

he could prob sell out a week's worth of key arena. surprised he didn't just go for safeco

oh, I guess the shows are in december and safeco would be a less than ideal venue at that time of year. oh well, macklemore fans can freeze for all I care.

I would be interested to hear some of the ways that the song is not respectful of gay people. Sincere query.

because the gay community is doesn't need some straight, white, over-smug clown in a Davy Crockett hat to protect them from the fact that 50 Cent says "faggot"

If you could poll "the gay community" on this song, what do you think the split would be as far as those who think it's cool and appreciate the message versus those who would prefer a rapper not cut a song supporting their cause and have it become a big hit?

among people I know, it appears to be 70% positive, 30% negative

of the 70% positives, about 90% of them are white; of the 30% negatives, 90% of them are of color and/or ILXors

ha

"if i was gay, i would think hip hop hates me" is the point where i have to reach for the dial if even get that far

because the gay community is doesn't need some straight, white, over-smug clown in a Davy Crockett hat to protect them from the fact that 50 Cent says "faggot"

― bando brothers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:01 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

macklemore annoys me but like i dunno if smugness and whiteness should be attributes that preclude someone from recording a song that support's the gay community

i have a problem with "same love" not so much because of the gay stuff but moreso the race stuff

supports*** wow i am sleepy

omg i want to delete that post that apostrophe is so hideously ugly and egregious

"A culture founded from oppression/Yet we don't have acceptance for 'em" is an actual lyric in this song and neither of the cultures in question are his to lecture or speak for. This straight white guy is indicting and then lecturing all of hip-hop on behalf of gay people as if he has any idea what it's like to experience the oppression either group has faced.

http://distilleryimage2.ak.instagram.com/06746cb2f32011e297b922000a1fa527_7.jpg

Insane Clown Posse dudes watch the "Can't Hold Us" video and coin the perfect nickname for Macklemore:

http://youtu.be/my9mjd0BTyY

haha

You motherfucker

reminds me of all the old rolling stones and spins i stole from the library as a kid. that was fucking awesome.

ow I just reflexively punched my monitor

bring back dzhokar

oh no, not the biggest success story of the year

Had this horrible one second moment where I thought you were saying Dzhokar was the biggest success story of the year.

ctrl + f "mackleless" -- not found?!

oh no, not the biggest success story of the year

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:40 AM

meant to add something there, but forgot and now I think I should just not bother.

lol faec is hueg

Haggerty, a recovering alcoholic and drug addict, says that at one point he was so worried about being trivialized as "the 'Thrift Shop' guy" that his sobriety was at risk: "I went through a place of not being happy, getting put in the box of 'This is a novelty rap song,' and being like, 'What did I sign up for'?

looking forward to his under the bridge

"I went through a place of not being happy, getting put in the box of 'This is a novelty rap song,' and being like, 'What did I sign up for'?

"Then I got my first royalty check."

'i havent shopped at a thrift shop in a while'

Well.

Shouldn't he convince his listeners that to balance out systematic power, they would be doing a much better thing for the world by turning him off and listening to Kendrick Lamar?

lmao okay

sort of like the only way for macklemore to talk about homophobia in hip hop is to become both black and gay?

I can't fucking deal with Rich Juzwiak at all any more. It takes a real piece of work to make Macklemore (talking race!) look like the good guy.

otm

is he a bad guy rev??

i mean maybe i missed it, inbetween the parts where he was talking specifics about how his skin color has smoothed a path to mainstream acceptance that a lot of other rappers don't have access to?

he's playing the minnesota state fair this year

is he opening for Depeche Mode?

You can shrug everything off by saying, "I'm a fucking human being," or you can actually be a fucking human being and use your fucking human being brain so that you become the change you say you wish for the world.

Had Juzwiak constructed his argument/objection to Macklemore wholly around this point, I might be nodding along in agreement right now, but this piece as a whole reads like such an inchoate screed that I can't help but assume (not having been following his writing on Macklemore) that Juzwaik is in some ongoing process of sniping at every little thing this guy does or says. Far more Mean Girls than thoughtful, reasoned takedown, basically.

is he a bad guy rev??

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:05 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean maybe i missed it, inbetween the parts where he was talking specifics about how his skin color has smoothed a path to mainstream acceptance that a lot of other rappers don't have access to?

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:08 PM Bookmark

I don't have any issue with his statements quoted in the piece, no. But I do with some of his songs and with the way he's been received (although the latter is somewhat beyond his control, obviously). By the way, can we not do this "white person condescendingly asks black person to justify their frustrations about race" thing? Please.

But basically, my beef at the moment is with Juz, for taking people's legit arguments against Macklemore and distorting them into absurdity to attack a fairly on-point statement because he doesn't leak either Macklemore or the people originating those arguments.

doesn't like*

And people who get all defensive when confronted with privilege theory get the side-eye in general.

when you get to the point where the only course of action you'd accept from a musician is that they stop making music and repent all past works, it's probably time to stop writing about them.

I listened to Nardwuar's 2011 interview with Macklemoo. It was striking how much he didn't know about hip-hop dudes from Seattle, even dudes that he apparently namechecks in his songs. I don't know how common it is for rap mans to not know shit about dudes they give shout-outs and props to.

i'm really sorry that i came off condescending. i respect the hell out of your take on things and it's frustrating for ME not to know what they are. i've asked you before in this thread what your beef is with this guy (i don't think you got back to me though)

rev i would be v interested to read your takedown.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:31 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think i was surprised by you insinuating that macklemore is a "bad guy" specifically w/r/t to that piece because his quotes in that piece are like, reading from the hymn book of what you need to say if you're a successful white pop rapper.

(above post to the rev, obv)

but really genuinely - really not trying to pry some kind of justification out of you. there IS something immediately skeevy about the guy, like just visually (and don't even get me started on ryan lewis... *brrrr*). then again i felt the same way about rafael nadal and now i love him.

rev i would be v interested to read your takedown.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:31 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I meant to address this but I didn't have time or energy when you asked and never got back around to it. Gonna grab some lunch right now but I'll get back to you later.

haha no sweat!! sorry for snark.

man that's a late lunch even for your time zone. don't mess with hungry rev.

My major problem with him and not his music is he clearly demonstrates an understanding of how his race positions him as a pop rapper and how he is received because of it, which is a great first step, but it's still just the first step. I don't see him doing anything to actively undermine the fucked up perceptions people have about him, what he's doing as a rapper and how that relates to what other rappers are doing or rap as a whole. That these perceptions benefit him just reads like him talking a good game about privilege while still fully taking advantage of it. Like, has he ever really pushed back against the perception of him as the lone rapper willing to positively discuss homosexuality in his music? Or is he content to milk that while actual gay rappers are paid no mind? It feels like the latter.

I listened to Nardwuar's 2011 interview with Macklemoo. It was striking how much he didn't know about hip-hop dudes from Seattle, even dudes that he apparently namechecks in his songs. I don't know how common it is for rap mans to not know shit about dudes they give shout-outs and props to.

― how's life, Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:52 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah one of the things thats kinda funny abt him is his heartfelt apologies and soul searching on behalf of 'rap music' except that hes not really part of the rap music that hes apologizing for, he came up through this separate frat rap/undie silo, its kinda like some indie rock dude apologizing for a metal band or w/e

its kinda funny tho everyone putting their cases together for why he is so bad and hated

he is so horrible there must be a rational explination

its also kinda funny how a guy with literally a song called white privilege is getting accused of white privilege stuff, its tuff out there for the wite man

to be fair his song called white privilege is fucking terrible

all of his songs are terrible

well all his music is terrible which is a major issue here

lol

My major problem with him and not his music is he clearly demonstrates an understanding of how his race positions him as a pop rapper and how he is received because of it, which is a great first step, but it's still just the first step.

haha in Chris Heath's Pet Shop Boys book Neil Tennant gets sneery at boy bands like Bros who go on and on about 'longevity' as a concept: holding the right attitudes and hiring the right agents to stay in the biz; their music, such as it is, gets subsumed by surviving and staying in the biz.

Greer: I'm p sure that's part of the point Juzwiak is trying to make, but he does it in a way that's so backhanded to the rest of the people who care about this stuff that I can't even countenance his argument.

Tracer: I have a really long half-written post that I'll try to finish later tonight. That's probably why I haven't explained myself well before is because my thoughts on this matter are so lengthy.

yes!

kick in the door waivin' the fourfour

does living in Washington make the Macklemore phenomenon more unbearable, or does it make u slightly more sympathetic to him/his fans than you would be otherwise? or both?

that's a general question to anyone who lives in the pacific nw really - I'm just curious about what it's like living there and experiencing this whole thing, I imagine it's p different from atlanta

both probably? I'll have more to say about this later the weird thing about Macklemore's place in the current landscape here is that the Seattle rap scene is really healthy and diverse right now but Mack is kind of a relic of a previous era. A lot of the young rappers in Seattle are quite explicit about not fucking with Macklemore but most of the people who came up in the early/mid-2000s are his peers and have his back 100%.

haha, they're the dudes he used to open for, basically

kick in the door waivin' the fourfour

― some dude, Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:29 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not gonna let this post go unacknowledged

XD

haven't read the gawker piece but i gave up on juzwiak a while ago

The only valuable thing he's done in the past couple years is the glossary of Mariah-isms.

i still ride for for Def Juz

i have no problem with him but since getting w/ Gawker he writes about a lot less stuff that interests me and seems to write a lot more that actively pisses off other people for various reasons

He has better taste in dance music than anyone else. I don't really care what he thinks about Macklemore. I don't really care what anyone thinks about Macklemore.

no wait just hear me out

He has better taste in dance music than anyone else.

*recoils sharply*

Yeah, I still remember that argument too.

i still like rjuz but he def seems to have gotten a lil more bitter at how ppl lash out at him. which, i dunno, i see as kind of understandable

I've been a fan of his writing in the past--his Pazz & Jop essay on pop's pandering to gay audiences in the It Gets Better era is essential--but he seems to write a lot about things like reality television that no amount of good writing could possibly force me to care about.

For a second I was all "I cannot imagine Macklemore's Pazz and Jop essay being all THAT essential."

ctrl + f "mackleless" -- not found?!

― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:01 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

lol.

rj is consistently really just missing basic facts when it comes to race/history/etc. i pointed this out before but in his django piece he referred to a 'dictator of barbados' in the 20th century, which is among other things not true. i don't want to dredge up old shit but this pattern has been going on forever. i understand why people can enjoy his writing at times or whatever, but he just needs to stay the hell away from topics that he's not going to put in the time to engage with properly.

That clearly doesn't apply to his columns about his sex life.

dude wants to land on the right side, but somehow doesn't put in the work to understand exactly what that side is. there's something knee-jerk about it.

tumblr outrage point has finally reached the tipping point on ILX

tumblr outrage porn has finally reached the tipping point on ILX

tumblr outrage point has finally reached the tipping porn on ILX

porn has finally reached ILX

privilege tipping outrage porn

ILX

*farts*

your back!

http://static4.depositphotos.com/1000746/307/i/450/dep_3071716-Water-flowing-on-woman-face.jpg

That's one wet fart.

does living in Washington make the Macklemore phenomenon more unbearable, or does it make u slightly more sympathetic to him/his fans than you would be otherwise?

― Coming Out Of Elton John's Mouth (crüt)

the latter, oddly.
i end up thinking about place more than race, draw my mixalot parallels in my mind

more like mackleless

http://colorlines.com/archival_images/le1f03.jpg

i'm all for le1f going after this dude but thought it was weird he accused him of ripping off his song, i guess referring to the horn samples in wut and thrift shop?

http://colorlines.com/archival_mages/le1f06.jpg

youtube comments

kinda weird le1f is just getting around to this now, but i support it

Ehhh. I'm with Le1f on most of this, but not the Thrift Shop/Wut thing. The horns from "Wut" were p much ripped off from "Down for My N's" anyway.

Speaking of Mix, this is a really good interview with him wkiw http://mynorthwest.com/926/2321465/Macklemore-video-shoot-mania-rekindles-fond-memories-for-Seattles-Sir-MixALot

http://24.media.tumblr.com/a6b3d7c369fdbbaa8a72f2e007972703/tumblr_ms7iawjESv1sgt1uko1_1280.png

(btw sorry, Rev's Big Post of Macklemore Ether is still forthcoming)

naaw xp

FUCK YOU LAGOON, MACKLEMORE IS THE NEW MLK PUBLIC ENEMY SHOULD WRITE A SONG ABOUT ANY STATE THAT HOLDS OUT ON MACKLEMORE DAY

what i meant was macklemore is obvs more important than mlk and public enemy should write a song about any state that holds out on macklemore day

i googled and found out that that is an irl student newspaper but i still cant believe the author really meant it

http://24.media.tumblr.com/a6b3d7c369fdbbaa8a72f2e007972703/tumblr_ms7iawjESv1sgt1uko1_1280.png

― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:11 PM (7 minutes ago)

ban college kids

its just a funny joke right

I know we hate Macklemore around here, but dude/his handlers do seem to have gotten the message at least a little bit: at several points during his VMA performance, he ceded the stage to his LGBT backup dancers, Black backup singers, and the former software engineer who sings the hooks on Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us.

I mean of course Le1f is right, esp. about the line he quotes from Same Love. And maybe the only reason Macklemore got off the stage was so he could better commune with his audience. Still I will acknowledge this token effort to address the concerns of his progressive critics.

Watching the VMA performance was like watching Sulu on Star Trek: maybe in the eyes of most of the audience, Kirk/Macklemore are the heroes, but Takei/Wanz are proceeding as if they are the protagonists.

wonder what takei's paycheck looked like next to nimoy's

or shatner's