It's a cruel cruel summer: the sounds of deep tech / shuffle / cuttin shapes / upgrunt house / etc. etc. in 2014

Okay let's get this going with this slo-mo ballad crossover (I hope??) masterpiece that I am obsessed with:

https://soundcloud.com/djpioneer/dj-pioneer-tj-ft-dana-mckeon

Seriously this is the best thing I have ever heard.

is this the bobbins thread or are we being more specific?

Much more specific.

The bobbins thread is called house and techno bobbins 2014

yuk

yawn

Upgrunt? Really?

Also what is the difference between shuffling and cutting shapes? Are they different dances that people do to the same music?

"upgrunt" is a joke.

"Shufflin" and "cutitin shapes" are references to the dancing style.

http://i.imgur.com/08JnoXs.gif

what is this thread?

the track in the op is cool but doesn't feel own-thread worthy, certainly can't pull off one with as bad of a title as this.

yeah whatever guys.

I'm not even sure what the aesthetic boundaries of this thread are based on one track and barely any description!

rev you can go here and keep reading downwards for a while - for a while the jackin' thread drifted into a discussion of the deep tech scene.

But the "one track and minimal description to be greeted by the retching of grampas" was in the tradition of the uk funky thread so I had to maintain.

ban the rev

I said the track was cool, jeez.

too late, i banned you

This all sounds like stuff I'd dance to but would never get excited about tho.

otm

one track and minimal description to be greeted by the retching of grampas

i actually looked for a suitable vomit.gif before deciding that was too aggressive

is moda black derp blech i mean deep tech or is that too "old"

idgi either. is it that it's like 117 instead of 120 bpm?

It's okay dudes I'd be concerned if you weren't acting like tbh.

I feel this thread needs this classic r|t|c quote that has always stuck in my mind in relation to this scene:

let's lay all the notes out. where was q going before his untimely death? the house in house & garage, full circle ouroboros. maturation of bass? the medlar remix of disclosure. disclosure themselves. mk mix of storm queen. jamie jones vs azari big at the tail end of funky. bashmore topping the urban and scene charts with 'au seve'. garage scene raving to annie mac.

huxley. hot creations. nick hannam. hot creations and nick hannam. the jackin lot - cheap n cheerful boshers AND proper house-trained operators fluent in todays clubbing, not the late, crippled baby steps house deejaying that permeated and set off london funky. hannah wants, maya jane coles , what the diff? the garage scene has never been closer to house than it has been now. is it one sided? is it mutual? if they didnt meet halfway where did they meet? murky, got a bass to it. real actual bass. 'hialeah house party' is grimy as hell. vox samples - wiseguys or brandy or fonda rae or gotye or allure it doesnt matter don't you see

house/four on the floor isn't my area of expertise but this makes me think of aeroplane's 'whispers' and other assorted nu disco.

150 words to say "deep house is in vogue again," nice xp

i think there is a bit of nu-disco/deep house convergence in the u.s. actually

That rtc post is not really about this stuff strictly, though it's all related - this is more on a cold populist tech-house with burbling basslines and occasional vocals tip, and really is in that Pascalian "you have to start praying before you will believe" camp.

In that regard the track I linked in the OP is quite light and slow - the key genre ingredient in the track is the bass.

if you could work that together w/ some sort of 'the difficulty of sitting alone in a room' thing i would be v. gratified

lol

slow compared to what?

Well compared to something like Max Milan & Donae'o's "Hold On":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qDXICAqrs

Of course as per usual all this stuff gets pitched up in the mix in any event.

but it's only 2 - 3 bpm slower than that - is that, like, a huge difference in houseland? serious question.

No, it's just that listening to the first tune without pitching up gives off a slower vibe generally - e.g. normally comparing this stuff to Aeroplane wouldn't make any sense.

Is there a good mix of this stuff somewhere I should listen to?

This set remains a real keeper for me, though it only really heats up after the first few tunes:

set picked fairly at random (they're all quite even really, although the one with the shay & sinista guest mix recently that i believe you heard was a bit of a flop imo). iirc radford accidentally coins the splendid phrase "upgrunt house" here btw

[Rinse FM Podcast] Mark Radford - 19th October 2013
http://www5.zippyshare.com/v/712779/file.html

Oliver Rees - Energy
D'Vinci - Modus Operandi
NRKY - Self Destruct
Area 8 - I Am
Truce ft Kenny Knots - Take Control
Rs4 - Walking On
Nightshift - Cult Music
False Identity - Goon To A Goblin
Shay & Sinista - To You
Roger Porterfield - Candy Acid
Fluorescent Noise - Go Deep
Martin Ikin - Nothing To Fear
Fluorescent Noise - Feel The Same
Nightshift - Higher
D'Vinci - Every Weekend
Rs4 - Locked On You
Carnao Beats ft Donae'o - Gone In The Morning
Hugo Massien - Menace
Kane Law - Free Your Mind
Rs4 - In The Dark
Rs4 & Pretty Casual (aka Kane Law) - Time Out
Hugo Massien - Untitled
Rhys Catania - One Life

― r|t|c, Sunday, December 8, 2013 10:30 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thx

so djs generally speed these tracks up in sets, but they didn't speed up Aeroplane?

Not generally - Aeroplane tracks were designed to play at a disco tempo.

But not particularly much turns on this issue IMO - the difference between this scene and Aeroplane is not founded in tempo primarily.

bookmarked btw, only mentioning this as a counter to the negs

If you can't feel it, you're not close enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8iursOmImo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FOesMUtmB8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PriKWfE-sic

I spent an hour looking at #cuttingshapes youtubes the other day after a Youtube commenter mentioned the movement in the Jaded video

I approve of this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqdwud89AJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wyzn0UvA6I

the thread-starting track is AMAZING

the word "upgrunt" is emphatically not amazing

also this track is too good, i don't want to hear it sped up

That rtc post is not really about this stuff strictly, though it's all related - this is more on a cold populist tech-house with burbling basslines and occasional vocals tip, and really is in that Pascalian "you have to start praying before you will believe" camp.

― Tim F, lunes 27 de enero de 2014 21:59 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this would be the relevant rtc quote

i mean everyone sorta knows the deal with shuffle by now, like what it's supposed to be - the narcotic introversion, stalking industrial bleak anomie, shade of bleep hardcore submarine sonorities and/or leather jacket geezer 8bar like jon e cash or w/e (also heard radford remark on one tune as "like a metalheadz version of house"), portentous digital boogie, some of it hot creations tongue-in-cheek, verging but rarely tipping into a jagged dexplicit/ballroom mania - one soundcloud tag had it as "3d house" which i quite like - these kinda revolving schematic polygonal mesh wireframe vertices and such, "cutting shapes" after all. 3d house also works best like 3d from massive attack who perhaps better exemplify the moody vox sample matrix than s&m, although there are some dubwise capers at play i feel

"Upgrunt" was a Freudian slip by DJ Mark radford that I included in the title because I was very drunk last night and making all sorts of poor life decisions.

Glad you like the opening tune lex!

Fab quote from rtc there, I almost want to be a musician just so I can commission him for liner notes.

Oh great, people LMFAO-dance to this shit?

Funnily enough, this form of dancing was the default form of dancing to house / techno in Melbourne throughout the 90s and early 00s, to the point that in Australia it's called the "Melbourne Shuffle".

Tim you know this one yeah? It's been around for ages but feels like the sort of thing you'd like (could be wrong of course):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPNtoS3GUrw

This one too:

https://soundcloud.com/nrky/nrky-feat-iviee-mercutio

Generally I'm enjoying dipping a toe into shuffle/deeptech but I suspect if I get too into it then me & paolo will have a musical falling-out :p

Glad there's a thread on this stuff.

what is the track with wu tang sample at 3 minutes into gotshapes #5?

it is an acceptable track.

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=443065059072623

been into this one for a while now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YsNO3qo1l0

Andy I adore "When The Night Falls"! I think generally these tunes with overlapping/interweaving basslines and metallic synth riffs are my favourite.

Speaking of which, still obsessed with "Locked On You" also:

https://soundcloud.com/rs4house/soulstar-locked-on-you-rs4

THIS:

https://soundcloud.com/carnao-beats-1/listen-to-me

omg that one is amazing

is that soundcloud an edit? i feel like it couple be double/triple the length

I expect so - "Gone In The Morning" (his previous one with Donae'o) stretched on for eight lugubrious minutes and this feels like a sequel.

can you explain how this and "circles" don't belong on the uk pop-house thread? these two songs are prob two of my favourite of 2014 but i don't hear what makes them different...

Well nothing really - at the vocal-pop end of the scene the only distinguishing factor is those burbling metallic basslines. But (as always with this kind of scene) the fun thing about deep tech is the interwoven tracky/crossover vibe, so for myself I like not to keep them in the one place mentally - they probably warrant cross-posting though!

This is my favourite trackier-but-still-anthemic deep tech tune of the past few months:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCtHMKyJiL8

1 hour deep tech mix i just did

http://www.mixcloud.com/bennybrassic/deep-blue/

1. Ligne Onze - Crackboy & Jean Nipon
2. When the Night falls - Storm & Lance Morgan
3. OKAY - Shiba San
4. Turn it up (Tchami remix) - Mercer
5. Sicker than your average - Playtime Productions
6. Duality - J Beatz
7. You & Me (No Artificial colours remix) - Rob Made
8. Gotham - Ten walls
9. Super Shady - Tom Garnett & Chris Lorenzo
10. Nothing to fear - Martin Ikin
11. Hungry for the power (Jamie Baggotts Remix) - Azari & III
12. Heading My Way ft. Tamara - Playtime Productions
13. With U - Mark Radford
14. FlyLOVE (Friend Within remix) - Chris Turner
15. Squared - No Artificial Colours
16. Down - Scottie D
17. Valley of the shadows (Will Clarke, Steve Westover & Some Bloke called John Re-Rub) - Origin Unknown
18. Gunman (Jamie Baggotts remix) - 187 Lockdown
19. Inevitable - Playtime Productions
20. Video Games (Reset Safari's 'Lost in 94' remix) - Lana Del Ray
21. Gunman (slight return)

Crazy, some of my fave music at the moment.

How great is Shiba San - Okay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1txVyyLkb6g

So great. There seems to be a lot of scope for a jackin/deep tech convergence, to my ears at any rate.

Benny, any chance of a download link if I ask super nicely?

will do tim

The transition into Gotham is sweet.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/00r2te

Excellent!

8. Gotham - Ten walls
9. Super Shady - Tom Garnett & Chris Lorenzo
10. Nothing to fear - Martin Ikin

<3 this section

I guess this thread has never quite gotten a full head of steam going. Rev was asking ages ago about favorite mixes; there's been a handful of sets that I've been finding particularly vibesy and have been coming back to over and over, so thought I'd share them, partly in the hope that some of you could help fill in the gaps in my track listings.

First couple -

Majesty at Frequency December 2013
https://soundcloud.com/djlancemorgan/majesty-live-frequency-2nd?in=djlancemorgan/sets/frequency-2nd-anniversary-live
0.00 - Tazer - Wet Dollars
4.00 - ??? ('All I wanna do is make the whole crowd bounce')
7.20 - Tainted Souls - The Way
10.30 - ??? (lots of warpy noises and build-ups)
13.00 – Decimal – Party Non Stop (Jedi mix)
15.45 - Richie Ahmed ft Kevin Knapp - The Drums
19.30 - ??? (wordless vocals)
23.35 – Majesty – I Can Tell (Luke Larrell remix)
25.55 - Carnao Beats - Just Say Nothing (remix/VIP-type version)
29.10 - ??? (melancholy synths)
33.00 - ??? ('higher baby'. headstrong vibes)
37.15 – WhoMadeWho – Every Minute Alone (Tale Of Us remix)
41.10 - Kurtz & Bomber - Such A Rush
43.30 - Playtime Productions - Our Kind (unreleased VIP-type mix?)
47.45 - ??? (big bass stabs, off-key synth)
51.45 - Carnao Beats - Know My Name (Amine Edge & Dance remix)
54.30 - Dennis Ferrer- Mind Your Step
58.30 - ??? (slow builder)
62.35 - ??? (‘shake and pop’)

Truce b2b Supa D at Hidden January 2014:
https://soundcloud.com/djsupad/dj-supa-d-b2b-dj-truce-breeze
0.00 – Burnski – Lost In the Zoo (Martinez Bros remix)
2.50 - ??? (Set-builder with perky pianos)
6.10 – Carnao Beats – Know My Name (Amine Edge & Dance remix)
8.25 – Nobody Knows – Breakdown (Kreature remix)
11.45 - Truce ft Kenny Knots – Take Control
16.25 - Dennis Ferrer – Mind Your Step
19.40 - SOS Band – Just Be Good To Me (Truce remix)
23.00 – X5 Dubs – I Just Can’t Understand
26.05 - Bobby Womack – Love Is Gonna Lift You Up (Julio Basmore remix)
28.20 - ??? (Very ominous and very ‘Euro’ sounding – would LOVE an ID on this one, suspect it could have been around for ages and ages)
31.05 - ??? (‘Jack your body’ samples)
33.45 - ??? (‘She ain’t got nothing on me’ – this one popped up in loads of sets I was hearing late last year)
35.45 - MK – Always
38.35 - Nick Holder – Erotic Illusions (Steve Bug & Martin Landsky remix)
43.30 - ??? (female monologue, ‘into the black night’)
45.20 - ??? (big repetitive bassline)
47.25 - ??? (sounds like a remix of Gorillaz – Clint Eastwood, could easily be by Truce. Big!)

And a couple more -

Carnao Beats at Home February 2014
https://soundcloud.com/homeldn/home-sundays-live-002-carnao
0.20 - ???
3.00 - ??? (pitched-down male vocals)
7.05 - ??? (acid stabs)
9.25 - Luke Larrell – Secrets
11.10 - Carnao Beats – Just Say Nothing
14.45 - Fluorescent Noise – Go Deep
17.15 - Carnao Beats ft Donaeo – Gone In The Morning
19.50 - Carnao Beats – H.O.U.S.E
21.55 - Tchami – Promesses
24.30 - Nightshift – Made You Look (Hugo Massien remix)
28.00 - ??? (high-pitched vocal, ‘All you got to do’)
30.05 - Dusky – Esperanto Juggler
33.15 - ??? (weirdly seems to sample the vocal from Kariya – Let Me Love You For Tonight, NEED TO KNOW THIS ONE)
36.00 -??? (Big monologue thing, ‘Stop for a minute and think how much we have together’, etc etc, NEED TO KNOW THIS ONE EVEN MORE)
38.00 - Carnao Beats – Know My Name
40.20 - ??? (wheezy synths & bass stabs)
42.40 - ??? (stripped down dark thing)
43.55 - ??? (vocal & piano thing, ‘My love and my touch’)
47.00 - ???
48.30 – Archie B - On & On
52.20 - Playtime Productions – Heading My Way (Alize remix)
54.55 - ??? (‘He’s going to tell the newspapers’)
59.25 - ??? (Mournful bleepy thing)
61.10 - ??? (‘Hammertime’ samples)
63.46 – Carnao Beats – Lose It

Lee B3 Edwards – Be Free promo mix March 2014
https://soundcloud.com/house-ent/befree1
0.00 – Trixz Aka Nano – Keep It Minimal
4.10 - Sia – Little Man (RS4 remix)
8.40 - ??? (‘Don’t you know what goes around?’)
12.05 - ??? (hip-hop samples, sounds like ‘hand on the pug/I’m in the coup cruising’ though I’m guessing that first line can’t be quite right)
16.05 – SOS Band – Just Be Good To Me (Truce remix)
20.00 - Fluorescent Noise – Go Deep
23.55 - ??? (sounds like it’s remixing/sampling from Fatboy Slim – Praise You)
27.30 - ??? (‘you’re a breath of fresh air to me’)
30.30 - Nightshift – Made You Look (Hugo Massien remix)
33.50 - ??? (think this might be by Arun Verone, has some of the same sounds as his tune Tell Me II)
37.25 - ??? (more hip-hop samples, pummelling bass)
41.05 - ??? (samples the ‘move to the vibe and know that you are blessed’ acapella)
45.20 – A2H – Effin Cockneys
48.50 - ??? (‘here I am, inside my little box’)
53.00 – Creative Mind – The Five Senses
57.25 – Arun Verone – Hater Shades
61.00 – Creative Mind - Higher
65.00 - ??? (‘the way you’re making me feel’)

nice one andy, will give these a listen when i get the chance, definitely needs to be more discussion of it here. the scene seems to be in a hyper-productive phase right now and i´m just not on top of things like i used to be unfortunately.

for now the only thing i can help you with is this from the carnao set:
43.55 - ??? (vocal & piano thing, ‘My love and my touch’

haven´t listened to the set but its likely to be the andme & bastian remix of route 94´s My love, right?

^^Thanks Benny - had a listen and it is that tune but not the AM & B mix, think it might actually be the original mix but just pitched up a bit.

Typically I've now managed to find the answers to a few of my own questions -
19.30 on the Majesty set is Majesty - Endless Words
47.45 on the Majesty set is Majesty & Luke Larrell - They Want You (Matt Fear remix)
33.45 on the Truce/Supa D set is Telepopmusik - Try Me Anyway (Dirty Channels remix)
48.50 on the B3 set is Fluorescent Noise - Here I Am

majesty set
33.00 - ??? ('higher baby'. headstrong vibes)

is amine edge & dance remix of Destructo - Higher

the one before it is great too, im hearing a MJ Thriller acapella over the top in my head. no idea what the tune is unfortunately.

majesty set
33.00 - ??? ('higher baby'. headstrong vibes)

is amine edge & dance remix of Destructo - Higher

Thanks!
7.05 on the Carnao set turns out to be Mr & Mrs Smith - Repercussions.

from Lee Edwards set

41.05 - ??? (samples the ‘move to the vibe and know that you are blessed’ acapella)

X5 Dubs - Now Move

Carnao set

61.10 - ??? (‘Hammertime’ samples)

Paper Mache feat. Kadey James - Hammer Time

Nice one Benny.
23.55 on the B3 set turns out to be Skinnyfat - Necessity (Praise You)

http://www.mixcloud.com/bennybrassic/deep-red/

1. Will we live - Banton
2. Our kind - Playtime Productions
3. I enter - Second City & Tyler Rowe
4. Weird Traxx (Carnao Beats remix) - Theo Nasa
5. Heading my way (Alize remix) - Playtime Productions
6. Damage - Hugo Massien
7. Yours (Anticx´ Power up edit) - Steffi
8. Opal Fruits (dark dub) - Cozzy D
9. Waiting for you - Louie Anderson
10. Martian Landing - Christian Martin
11. They want you (Matt Fear remix) - Majesty & Luke Larrell
12. Making Love - X5 Dubs
13. Insanity - Walker & Royce
14. Ain´t Nobody - Mark Radford
15. Your Touch - Reset Safari
16. Ain´t no Biggie (Quit sampling Biggie edit) - Riaz Dhanani
17. Born To Die - Playtime Productions & Majesty
18. My Bassline (Apollo´s Got some 84 Bass mix) - Got Some
19. Loving you - Tough Love
20. Just One Kiss - Playtime Productions
21. Break it down (Max Chapman remix) - Mario Moroto
22. Pump up the jam - NRKY
23. Columbia - D´Vinci
24. Beneath the lights - Molly, Mr & Mrs Smith
25. Apollo´s Clouds- Apollo 84
26. Tell Me II - Arun Verone
27. Aphrodite (Myk Ezore remix) - Cozzy D
28. Came around - Amine Edge & Dance ft. Ikaz
29. Jack Remix - Arun Verone

download link
http://www.sendspace.com/file/r1lni8

simply cannot recommend this radio set from the Strange Static crew enough, bit of a last supper vibe to it. haven´t really been arsed about the lack of mcs on this scene til now but maybe its time for a bit of the extra bubbliness that could bring. the tunes are so consistently great on this set it would standalone fine without Perch mind...

https://soundcloud.com/it_hz/it-hz-mix-005

also, any thoughts on the audio rehab comp? solid stuff but could have down with a few more vocals and maybe a tad more rowdiness to spice things up iyam (see the strange static above basically), or even just a bit more of the wilder carnao "just say nothing" style basslines to break up the overall austerity

rtc, mind taker, tim? you guys still into this?

will try and gather some thoughts for the evening

ur deep red mix was a++ fantastic btw

please do, and thanks :)

most impressed with this mark radford tune from the AR comp.

https://soundcloud.com/markradford/take-me-mark-radford-feat-1

slightly disappointed with the playtime productions contribution, doesn´t live up to the amazingness of ´heading my way´, ´our kind´, or ´cruel summer´.

no idea if this has become a genuine anthem on the scene, but if not it should. i quite like ´shifters´ as name for the massive, shame they just used it in the title and not the lyrics. on cooly g´s label

https://soundcloud.com/jay_baptiste/jay-baptiste-feat-troy-hudson

ahh yeah i forgot about that!! the mc saying "out to all my shapeshifters" was easily the highlight of this one set i heard and since forgot (think i must have deleted the memory on a self-regulatory pvmic tip)

https://soundcloud.com/djtruce/truce-b2b-ggb-frost-desy-b-live-at-tainted-soul-supa-d-bday

may have been this one idk? got it off dissensus

iirc i was rrrreasonably into it until what happens at 48:30 where ye olde enthusiasm distinguishes itself from polite modern engagement

yeah thats the one! i remember this cos its probably the only set that features live bongos i´ve ever enjoyed =8-0

what is that old skool funky tune that drops at 48:30? sounds very familiar but can´t quite place it.

AHHHHH it's killing me. Very Perempae / Malice-D when it's all piano chords but when that squiggly synth riff comes in... I dunno maybe Seany B?

http://www.mixcloud.com/bennybrassic/4th-dimension/

1. Smooth operator - Carnao Beats feat Xara
2. Walls come tumbling down - Route 94
3. Take me - Mark Radford
4. Why - Tom Shorterz
5. Anybody - Syap
6. Goonies (Amine Edge & Dance remix) - AFFKT & Los Suruba
7. Real time - Scottie D
8. 4D - Cozzy D
9. Sicker than your average (Tazer Remix) - Playtime Productions
10. Keep it moving - Hugo Massien
11. No guns (On to a winner) - Tazer
12. Push the feeling on (Louie Anderson remix) - Nightcrawlers
13. Melt - Lokate
14. Made you look - Nightshift
15. Short from change - Arun Verone
16. Get Beasty - Patrick Topping
17. Cat & Mouse - No Artificial Colours
18. Nightcall (Luke Larrell Remix) - London Grammar
19. No stopping - Rude Kid
20. Sending my love - X5 Dubs
21. Meow - Louie Anderson
22. Lost Planet - Adam Cotier & Riaz Dhanani
23. You like bass - Nightshift
24. Jango - Sirus Hood & Still Boyz
25. Trapped in space - Lee Edwards & Storm Productions
26. Watching nobody (Mark Radford´s Digital Boogie Remix) - NRKY feat Iviee Mercutio
27. Lost - Amine Edge

https://www.sendspace.com/file/fvgd8s

https://soundcloud.com/archieb1/archie-b-steppin-up-vol-1

this mix. yes.

that jay baptiste single is incredible

https://soundcloud.com/nrky/nrky-feel-so

k i do realise how willfully perverse it is to be pointing out the liminal s&m streetsoul hobbyhorse mirage margins when we never discuss the actually actual stuff but OMG CHECK OUT THIS ULTRA FRESH NXT LEVEL VIBE THOUGH

like - as if the sinuous loping superslowmo push/pull tender/tuff groove wasn't treat enough on its tod - he could have got any and every kind of modern style popular mc knocking about to bless that but drawing for the local itch fm battle rapper on a 1990 skippy flow instead is just the maximum possible zeitgeist juxtpositional headrush

fuck everything else rn cos this is it!!

OMG this is amazing.

The rap!

Can we never stop overprivileging liminal s&m streetsoul vibes.

moombahzone!!

i haven't a clue what you guys are on about but i kind of can't wait to hear what ever the fuck this is.

This entire EP, wow:

https://soundcloud.com/rs4house/sets/paper-plates-002

"Depends On Me" sounds like prime LFO circa "What Is House".

yes great ep, i see DJ Qs been playing ´no one else´ off there, works nicely sped up a bit still.

just been listening to this set, definitely doing the business
https://soundcloud.com/david_m/david-m-on-sub-fm-with-tazer-guest-mix-25-07-2014

https://soundcloud.com/kneedeepuk/knee-deep-launching-thurs-7th-aug-2014

enjoying this a lot rn

This Hugo Massien track Kontrol is something else. Stutter-vision FX.

https://soundcloud.com/hugomassien/hugo-massien-kontrol

Grabbed this free dl tune recently and it struck me as being potentially ILX-crew-friendly:

https://soundcloud.com/majestydj001/majesty-feat-anton-romero-touch-radio-edit

(With the usual 'but I could be wrong' disclaimers. I like it a lot anyway).

Catching up on bits & pieces posted above -

Jay Baptiste/Troy Hudson - Real Shifters : wasn't feeling this at first but it's grown on me.
NRYKY - Feel So: like this one a lot! Completely different to what I was expecting too.
RS4 - Lowered Tone EP: Solid EP right through. Can't make up my mind if No One Else or Depends On Me is my favorite.
Hugo Massien - Kontrol: Ahh so that's what it's called. Yeah this is big.

Will give the Archie B & Supa D mixes a spin in a bit.

Yeah, Massien's got some tunes. This one is a bit deranged - https://soundcloud.com/hugomassien/hugo-massien-better-let-her

MDMA anyone?

OK got the Supa D Knee Deep promo mix on now and it's pretty good - loads of bits I hadn't heard before.

Would really love to hear some of this stuff out at a club.

Whereabouts do you stay MM? There's loads of nights playing this stuff in London atm, sadly not so much elsewhere though.

Amsterdam, although I will be passing through London later this month. I should see if there's any deep tech parties.

Not to turn this thread into the Majesty fan-club, but this set by him is one that I've found myself playing again & again over the last month or so:
https://soundcloud.com/majestydj001/majesty-live-ministry-of-sound-sat-21st-jun-1401

My usual half-arsed attempt at a tracklist:

0.00 – MK – Always (Shiba San remix)
4.12 – Kele La Roc – My Love (Majesty remix)
7.50 – Majesty – Mr Backerman
10.55 - ??? (Heard this in a few sets recently - ‘ardcore vibes with the revival of the Vamp/I Like It piano stabs)
15.30 – Majesty – The One
18.10 – Beep Dee – From Above
20.45 - ??? (Stripped-down thing with stuttering sample and pounding drums)
23.15 – Majesty – Drummin’
25.10 - ??? (‘Sing the song’. Megatron growling bassline)
28.00 – Majesty – Endless Words (Kreature remix)
30.00 – Lana Del Rey – Blue Jeans (MK remix)
33.10 – Route 94 – My Love (Lowsteppa remix)
35.45 – Majesty ft Anton Romero – Touch
39.05 - ??? (‘This is that rough shit’. BIG)
42.10 - ??? (‘To be alone’.Slow-building hoovers.)
45.10 – Majesty – I Can Tell (Luke Larrell remix)
48.40 – Carnao Beats – Know My Name (Amine Edge & Dance remix)
50.40 – Ten Walls – Gotham
52.45 - ??? (Retro synths. Wish I knew this one – mixes so well with Gotham)
54.45 – Tazer – Wet Dollars (Donaeo remix)

10.55 - A2H - Sorry's Not Enough
20.45 - Jimmy Edgar - Strike
25.10 - Patrick Topping - Boxed Off
39.05 - Justin Martin - Ruff Stuff
42.10 - Dusky - Words Later On

Thank you!

has anyone heard that low-key kinda one that samples nicki minaj going "grand in the rubberband hot damn make me scream like summer jam" etc round and round

it floated out of my memory to belatedly earworm me today and i should like to find/id it

i know radford played it on one of his shows but i cant locate it

Yeah, was wondering about that track as well. Tried for a while to figure out who produced it, but no luck. It has this low in the mix echo of vocals shifting in and out it that's crazy psychedelic.

Syap - Your Hate

paris to london connection

was due to come out on Audio Rehab

nice 1, much obliged

i kinda get the impression radford has too many bits stocked up, even with two labels on the go

If the times were a bit different, I feel like Shiba San's 'OKAY' might have had the unifying crossover appeal of maybe a '138 Trek'.

Yeah it makes me think of "Doom's Night" but same thing.

How so?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21nXc71abno

lol the producer was proper feeling himself the day this was made

amazing tune

How so?

Despite drawing together a bunch of threads in UK house - from interzone pop, jackin' bass and deep tech - I imagine it'd also crossover into post-minimal sounds and just party/festival sets in general.

Also, like the Timo Maas remix (I guess), it's inspired, but with zero pretension.

That said, it's got tons of YouTube views and has topped Beatport, so I imagine it's getting played out a fair bit. Still, I've never actually heard it at a party or club yet.

Babylon System!

ikr

a 10 minute ascent to high camp dubstep gothique heaven

LOVE THIS. IT KILLS ME SO MUCH.

ALSO GLADIATOR.

I feel like this stripe of deep tech is kinda very very belatedly turning early Faithless into a totally brilliant proposition?!?!

B-side to "Babylon System" ("One Spliff") is pretty amazing too. Total widescreen reggae eeriness.

I KNEW YOU WOULD LOVE GLADIATOR.

heh i was in the process of awarding myself a coconut for invoking robert del naja way back when but perhaps faithless works better still

maybe split the difference with this imo salient addendum, remixing the massive attack of today

https://soundcloud.com/beepdee/hot-natured-feat-the-egyptian

rs4 'all around' maybe too now i think about it. and truce 'take control' may as well be the most important brit record for a decade. can i crowbar route 94 'misunderstood' into this as well?!?

btw i know it's been floating around for ages but beep dee 'from above' deserves some talk, it is just something else srsly

The mean of Robert Del Naja and Faithless is The Aloof, right? Which maybe works even better still. Though I'd need to relisten to the first album again to make sure.

RS4's last two EPs plus "Gladiator" makes for a pretty great unofficial debut album btw.

@MikoMcha dunno where your clubbing or raving but that shiba san tune has been getting rinsed all year

banger but one of the baitest house tunes about so it's kinda cringe seeing you trying to hype it up #justsaying

fuckinell that "babylon system" tune

tim you're gonna have to hand-hold a bit here, is this actually widely considered a separate genre or just by you for purposes of this thread? still unsure what makes it different from the interzone or house threads but all i know is it regularly provides some incredible tunes (some of which never did seem to get released?? like the one at the start??). nu-faithless seems weirdly on the mark tho.

i read the thread and i didn't understand the rtc post you pasted to illuminate us last time

xxp lol the whole point of what miko was saying was about the way in which it's an unusually everywhere crossover so how is that hyping up a bait tune? good luck trying to look bad on the internet u plum

not like he's going "hey guys have u heard this song 'mind ur step' it seems popular"

(not that 'mind ur step' got one single mention on ilx but still)

tim you're gonna have to hand-hold a bit here, is this actually widely considered a separate genre or just by you for purposes of this thread? still unsure what makes it different from the interzone or house threads but all i know is it regularly provides some incredible tunes (some of which never did seem to get released?? like the one at the start??). nu-faithless seems weirdly on the mark tho.

Given that it's a fairly small scene that remains rather ignored by the outside world, i guess you could say it's narrowly considered a separate genre.

All house-derived genres have increasingly blurry borders tho. You could say that deep tech is part of interzone because e.g. DJ Q will occasionally play deep tech tunes, but as per jackin' house to do so would be to ignore that it also can and does function perfectly well as a self-contained standalone scene.

I think increasingly one needs to hold this double-identity in mind with this kind of music: neither insisting on a genre's separateness nor pretending that a distinct identity doesn't exist. And I say this from a fairly clinical standpoint: i love heaps of deep tech tunes but I don't (yet) feel like a cheerleader for the scene in the way I was for uk funky, where it used to annoy me to see people dismiss its viability as its own thing. If people want to treat deep tech as a composite flava in the mix I'm fairly cool with that, even if it's not the whole story. In particular, I feel like deep tech looks bad under most external frameworks, hence vahid et. al. vomiting in the first few posts of this thread.

i.e. I'm not sure that you could really post "Babylon System" in another extant thread: it's too self-consciously epic to be a DJ Q tune, not pop/crossover enough for the current interzone thread (though this is as much an issue with the terms of that thread as anything else), and 99% of the house/techno bobbins regulars would hate it.

Basically one needs a space where to describe something as nu-faithless will not automatically be taken as a deadly insult.

@rizla teef Yeah, basically I don't hear any of this stuff at the kind of clubs and events I go to in Holland or Germany.

@rtc im trying to 'look bad' on the internet but ur the one name calling? well played

mind ur step and okay are both bait city just different season and anyone with even the most basic interest with popular house would know this

@rizla teef ...well, there's clearly different worlds in dance music, even in terms of what's popular for house (huge, huge category). Things might overlap in some instances as Tim points out, but there's definite partitions and blockages elsewhere. One world's bait city basically doesn't mean shit elsewhere. Which was my point in the first place about a track like that crossing over, etc.

Anyway, it's not really an important point.

@mikomcha i can appreciate that

living in london im definitely over exposed to house whether it be the cuff, hot creations, crosstown stuff or the "deep tech" style

the easiest way to understand how this stuff is "new" is by looking at how uk garage grew out of the new york/jersey sound in the early 90s okay tune cro

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just seen ur new post so i'll only ask where exactly is that okay tune crossing over to make it comparable to 128 trek or even say benga/coki night in terms of multi genre appeal

its a big tune but i feel definitely being over complicated/analysed, it's not that deep

Thought was interesting, for instance, that Hannah Wants was dropping Ten Walls in her sets. But I can't imagine those kinds of DJs here playing something like OKAY, even though a lot of newish non-vocal deep tech would bang in their sets imo - tunes that are way more tracky and vibey than what I've been hearing out at festivals in these parts. There's really no reason they shouldn't. Willing to admit I could be wrong here tho, I'd also be surprised if they weren't following some of it.

Another example - here's this crew Colors in Amsterdam that play some 'UK bass' stuff, but it's all a bit tastefully compiled across established acts, so it often doesn't really scratch the surface of what's going on in terms of new London music (mainly focussed on Night Slugs, Numbers, Ben UFO, Pearson Sound, that sort of thing).

Maybe I need to make more of an effort to explore what's happening though. I do keep to a fairly routine club circuit.

okay is not deep tech though bro i think this is where the confusion is stemming from

it's a popular house track thats been released by a very of the moment house label

hannahs sound isnt as focused as it was say when jackin was doing bits so it should be no surprise that she's playing ten walls, house is that sound atm and ten walls is a major beneficiary of the current wave

Oh, right - now that would definitely explain it! :)

Hmmm, I blame that Benny B mix above for crossing my wires! I think I've also associated the tune with Mark Radford in my mind for some reason, which is probably a bit weird. At least from a distance though, there does seem to be a bit of a bleed between London deep tech proper and other strains of bass-heavy house. Maybe this gets back to lex's question.

like i said the easiest way to understand this music, it's developments, trajectory and "newness" is by paralleling it with how UKG grew out of american house and garage

id explain more but my right hands in a cast so its kind of long right now lol

are you trilliam by any chance?

what gave it away ;)

'okay' (and ten walls if we're mentioning it) may not be deep tech per se but nor in my view is the scene (whilst still being very distinct as a whole) so formally codified and encapsulated now that those tunes are irrelevant and not part of the conversation to some extent. like yeah they're big popular tunes but there's elective affinities at play too - 'elephants' is a viable set moodpiece, 'okay' has that chunky clipped bass bubble that miko is quite right to associate with radford's sometimes broader interpretation in his shows

the idea of establishing a "true" deep tech (i still like calling it shuffle tbh btw fuiud) rubric & canon is an interesting one - like for instance 'okay' might not be but shiba's remix of mk 'always' in my opinion indisputably is - and to do so (and finally be of use to lames who can't ever be bovd to click on a mix or two) would most likely require a chronological recap of some sort

so let's do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2011 - funky peters out, hot creations crosstown rebels etc help to normalise an urban club relationship with house (police have nothing to lock off etc), jamie jones mix of azarii catches ears, audiowhore and house ents events establish themselves. mark radford and others of a techy persuasion continue to play alex niggeman martin landsky minimal type stuff, begin to gain a small foothold

2012 - while the above two strands continue alongside each other, "deep" house n bass catches on and spreads out (interzone), dusky shadow child moda etc widely popular stuff. but london develops a particular fascination of its own (arguably seceding from the garage side) with tunes such as the randomly-selected following

Kolombo and Ante Perry - Completely Positive (Walker & Royce Remix)
Alex Arnout - One (More)
Telepopmusik - Try Me Anyway (Dirty Channels Remix)
Baunz - The Same Thing (Huxley Dub) [pay attention to the switch at 3:30 as a before/after instructive audio document ]

fun club shuffling cutting shapes dance scene coalesces around this new icy fauxstere centripetal boogie. newcomers plus guys who used to make grime and bassline and funky and dubstep etc get involved and start to make their own bits to match, labels spring up and formalise, fashion becomes style etc

2013 to date - scene grows, all of the above continues intertwined but with its own selective localised focus now, an additional grimier/jungle menace minimal strand inevitably develops (Carnao Beats - Just Say Nothing), nuum mixer churns anew. "g-house" from europe begins to have an additional effect (as it does everywhere), hard straight down the line bangers with rap adding to the vox sample matrix

basically how i personally break it down to an extent, ur all cordially invited to educate me otherwise

what is g house

jon carter of mars

https://soundcloud.com/amineedge/amine-edge-dance-halfway
https://soundcloud.com/thisiscuff/cuff009-ennio-go-insane
https://soundcloud.com/gcattin/kant-ey-yo
https://soundcloud.com/marlonhoffstadt/dansson-marlon-hoffstadt-shake
https://soundcloud.com/whartone/sonny-wharton-dazed-confused

this kinda stuff i suppose. some of it is very fun. i wish i had kept a list

the sound and its relationship with deep tech are more actually more interrelated than i'm letting on (ldn to paris connection as mentioned above, carnao and amine edge making friends and influencing ppl) but i) who cares it's called g-house and it's french and ii) it's imo worth making the hardline distinction as it continues to encroach on the original london stuff

oh i like that stuff

Yo Ilxers, let me share with you my latest mix, basically a showcase of my deep tech favourites, including some of the thread favourite vocals (Circles, Gladiator, Take Control..), fresh releases, couple of exclusives and some older bits. Took me a while to choose from more than 100 tracks..still ended up with around 40 lol
https://soundcloud.com/danielnoir/ldn-house-utopia-vol-1

MimoMcha you should follow DJ Simon Titus, he's running a few nights in Amsterdam and plays deep/tech (arguably with a more commercial overlap, you couldn't get away with playing Eastside Records and House Ent material all night at a random Amsterdam venue)...hes booked Oliver Rees, Adam Cotier or Riaz Dhanani in the last few months.

That's great, thanks for the tip! I'll definitely look into it.

Mix looks cool too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87OLa1r_xTs

uk national breakfast radio 4 u

https://soundcloud.com/donaeo/free-download-tazer-wet-dollars-donaeo-remix

donaeo's given his rmx away for free btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njTZh0laN28

shoulda mentioned this one too for the faithless kru

i finally figured out the track i asked about way upthread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsTVIxBTlks

is it g-house?

hard to accurately pinpoint the timeline now but from the looks of things i would imagine s.e.f might be somewhat pissed if 'wet dollars' gets chart money

"wet dollars" is g-house, shuffle tech or jacking?

it's pretty great, i prefer the vocal samples in "m-o-e" but i like the beat of "wet dollars" better

it's skipper + handclaps

the track that starts this thread is finally getting a release, it's on itunes for pre-order. FINALLY I'LL HAVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SOUNDCLOUD RIP

sotu seem especially laggardly but generally speaking this stuff has the most thorough release infrastructure uk urban dance has had for a decade. proper labels, tons on beatport/juno etc

can't wait for that 'circles' truce dub, dunno why the gits even took the soundcloud down

yeah i'm still waiting for the carnao beats one to get released. and the syap nicki minaj one. (btw he's done a honey cocaine edit which is super as well!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdBNzHJTtQg

here is another top 10 eoy 2k14 shufflepop tune, superior even to 'circles', that you yes YOU can buy TODAY

(k i lied, it's top 3 rly)

rtc I know you and I have politely butted heads on here a few times in the past, but I've got to give a big thank you for the mini history lesson and track IDs upthread. Had been hearing & loving One (More) & Go Insane in sets for a while without knowing what they were/who they were by. Hadn't heard that Huxley dub before but it's great.

SOTU has turned out to be a much more exciting label than I expected.

oh yeah, thanks all for the mini history lesson!

ha i rly rly rly wouldnt take that vague history lesson as gospel (i was rather looking the other way/missing what was under my nose at the time) but i'm glad to hear it might prove to be better than nothing. still encourage all corrections plz if there are any

SOTU has turned out to be a much more exciting label than I expected.

― There's no stopping the thetans from hopping (Mr Andy M), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:41 Bookmark

ya def. love this new 1:

https://soundcloud.com/djtruce/zander-hardy-feat-anton-romero-let-me-show-you-truce-remix-preview

+ i'm absolutely fucking DYING for this to come out arghhh get on with it

https://soundcloud.com/soturecordings/wait-for-u

i was a bit less convinced by tim's defining it according to ilm threads

i guess there's no real geographic location to this stuff? it's all a bit "slight tweak of other things that have existed for a long time". i think i get it but i couldn't explain it?

x-post YES Wait For U remix is a big one.

ah it's out i can post it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_XZkvFSs0

ANTHEM

i take it back, that was terrible

and... there we go.

i guess there's no real geographic location to this stuff? it's all a bit "slight tweak of other things that have existed for a long time". i think i get it but i couldn't explain it?

Still think the easiest way to get it is just to listen to a DJ mix.

post invective or bite tongue... eeny, meeny...

oh go on.

Anyway I love the rifftastic section of "From Above", so fabulously unclean sounding.

Seems relevant for this thread.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/802ff5595554035da46e2f22d4c3a482/tumblr_ncbo5qFjGz1qz9ddwo1_500.jpg

I share some music taste with my instructor and someone else in the class asked about it and I wasnt really sure what to say. I mentioned deep house and they looked at me in horror. I was surprised at the reaction as I didnt think they would really know what it was, then I remembered the music in this thread is called deep house and would be on his radar

I had momentarily forgotten it was called deep house because I see this many days and subconsciously think it is called upgrunt

he probably thought you were referring to the disclosure, duke dumont, MoS new sound deep house, deep house

this strain of house is for most intents and purposes a very insular, decidedly london thing although it is starting to reach the fringes of that world.

ha so i think ever since i'd been checking for this stuff i'd been hearing this one tune among many thinking yesss this is a vibes... comes up in a mix now so i'm like right ok finally let me shazam that fucker

and ummmm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcaqi1z-2y4

turns out completely unbeknownst to me they've been keeping p much bang on the various modern pulses these last couple of years...

https://soundcloud.com/djsupad/just-wat-da-docta-ordered-supa-d-b2b-truce

vibes up a commute a treat. if u cant get to grips with + are not totally down for this stuff after the first hour i can't do nuffin 4 ya guv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z-BVl4EJzI

two of the best b2b

love that nutty refix (after the hour mark there) of the ar remix of 'so much pressure' with the sam & the womp 'bom bom' sample

hey riz do u ever check for any of the shows on http://usdfm.co.uk/dj-schedule/ and are they any good? seems strange that only scholar tee that ever reposts them... might have a go at taping jack n danny later

looping "i'm the cat with the bass and" with that kiddy voice like that kinda bringing the 'charly' / 'sesame's treet' appy ardkore vibe :)

kinda amazing that no one's really tried to slip a seemingly innocuous ditty about balloons past the chart censors

Anyway I love the rifftastic section of "From Above", so fabulously unclean sounding.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 14:04 Bookmark

it doesnt have the sly wink infantilism of a 'charly' or anything but the clean plaintive innocence of the rest of 'from above' among its own and surrounding dark filth is really what makes the track imo... like if the sample was the old leviticus burial "first you say yeah, then you say no..." rather than just a bit of supremes people would probably grok it immediately

"people" largely meaning "those unnamed of a certain advanced age lying face down in a puddle of their own stale n fetid sensibility" obv

https://soundcloud.com/louieandersonmusic/louie-anderson-who-want-it-original-mix-forthcoming-on-shadow-music

ooh talking of which! lex needs this banger in his life if it isnt already!! (kinda hate myself for having allowed the construction of a reality where i can't have this as my ringtone :/)

lots of good djs on USD

https://soundcloud.com/majestydj001/majesty-in-my-mind-vol-1-all-tracks-prod-by-majesty

an hour and a half worth of productions by dj majesty, resident and owner of audiowhore/siesta which are two of the biggest parties in london atm

https://soundcloud.com/musicboxbirmingham/live-recording-marc-ryder-musicbox-oct-2014

hey tim if u could pass this onto ur close chum he may find it of interest wrt recent musings

https://soundcloud.com/x5dubs/x5-dubs-agenda-promo-mix-8th-november-at-the-boatyard-wolverhampton

https://soundcloud.com/callelebraun/calle-lebraun-100k-mix

https://soundcloud.com/jackndanny/tektronik-jackndanny

https://soundcloud.com/deejay_dice/dice-and-perch-radio-sessions-91014

^ fave mixes i've heard lately^

might even say why at some point who knows

I got the Audio Rehab vol. 1 compilation the other day, which feels pretty urgent and key.

yeah definitely - altho there's so much stuff about it kinda almost feels like a vol 2 is already overdue!!

solid stuff but could have down with a few more vocals and maybe a tad more rowdiness to spice things up iyam (see the strange static above basically), or even just a bit more of the wilder carnao "just say nothing" style basslines to break up the overall austerity

― Benny B, Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:08 Bookmark

it's interesting (instructive possibly) looking back that i was v much in the same place benny was with it in may, i guess coming from a garagey interzoney perspective and finding traction in the subconsciously familiar without necessarily acquiring the zombie taste for and fluency in the austere cold spiky pulsefunk at its essence... like i'd really loved the excellent things q, shorterz, benny have done in terms articulating some of this stuff in/via sympatico contexts but after a while it kinda felt disquieting, something lacking to have this v particular vibe or dialect as subcategorical or subsidiary

now it's clicked everything on arv1 is an unquestionably sick riddim naturally

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/mark-radford-interview.html

along these lines it was kinda funny reading (dimly recalling the worthwhile parts now) some of the things radford said here wrt to being a stubborn dj, knowing ur sound, mentoring ~production values~ etc cos i'd actually have said he has done p much more than anyone to get a bit interzoney referential broadening this stuff's parameters and tbh imo not always valuably in the end, i even went off his shows for a bit eventually even tho those moves were what originally caught my attention somewhat. quite a long leash for a scene godfather

oh yeah look

definitely more varied than the sets i've listened to up to now. its even gone all speed garagey now with this lowsteppa 'benediction' remix and its all blending very nicely with the more techy stuff.

― Benny B, Friday, 6 December 2013 01:14 (2 days ago) Bookmark

ha yeah i'm actually mildly nonplussed by this considering i'd already gone out my way to meet shuffle on its previously icy terms... typically now i half-wonder if it might not be losing the essential run of itself a little :)

― r|t|c, Sunday, 8 December 2013 17:22 Bookmark

i do listen to radford again now fyi but it still seems obvious to me that ur still in for something slightly more personal with his sets compared to what anyone else on the scene does

audio rehab vol 1 shud definitely be considered a primer, ideal for distinguishing what makes this london strain of house different from the rest (strange static arguably pushes the envelope further than the realm of "house music)

doesn't hurt that it's 20 tracks deep with a 90% hit rate

while AR is more polished n profesh, eastside records is definitely grittier and more "raw" sounding, this as close to grime as i can get in 2014

https://soundcloud.com/east-side-10

goldmine

https://soundcloud.com/rinsefm/brackles011114

brackles show is good now. what a time to be alive

"Depends On Me" sounds like prime LFO circa "What Is House".

― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 16:36 Bookmark

https://soundcloud.com/rs4house/rs4-lfo-tribute

now that's the kind of "roots 'n' future" I can truly get behind.

that's pretty cool

Amazing.

Brackles show is ace, thanks for the tip. Since when has he been playing deep tech?

same brackles who did this amazing mix?

http://www.discogs.com/Brackles-Songs-For-Endless-Cities-Volume-1/master/336324

Yeah, that looks like the sort of thing he was playing last time I checked.

That Rinse session is a bit of a Hugo Massienathon, and I have no problem with that.

https://soundcloud.com/house-ent/introducing-callelebraun

if anyone enjoyed not listening to the prev calle mix i mentioned then trust me you'll just <3 letting this one slide on by too

As a complete newcomer to this scene and having paid zero attention to this thread before, I can confirm that Audio Rehab 1 makes a fantastic primer.

It's weird to see all these posts upthread going "how does this differ from X or Y?" when the sonic parameters are less interesting than the question of who's dancing this time round. Still, there's so much more techno in this stuff than there than the British house music in adjacent scenes - I hear Detroit in there, but I also hear Sheffield. But it feels defineably London as well, those grimy handclaps, like it would just work driving through wet London streets at night, and it's dark without resorting to the tiresome faux-screwface of so much UK bass music.

It's striking that in the Blackdown interview, Radford pinpoints hearing Booka Shade as the thunderbolt moment because a lot of this stuff is quite similar to peak Booka Shade if not in sonics but in its sleekness, the way the sounds hang in the air, the ability to go for epic without sacrificing economy. But ex-garage crowds, by and large, weren't dancing to that stuff or anything connected to it, give or take a Claude Vonstroke track here or there.

I guess I haven't been paying much attention this year but I knew something was up when Innervisions stuff like Ten Walls started appearing on the 1xtra playlist but it still feels like a big shift for these sounds to be reappearing in this context.

Comp itself is brilliant obv.

✓✓✓

Man how amazing is Hugo Massien's "Now You're Gone"

And this Carnao Beats tune:

https://soundcloud.com/carnao-beats-1/chords-of-life-1

not sure i'm familiar with that massien, where does it live

see e.g. Mark Radford's 6 September set from 56.20.

ooh yeah good spot

Can we caucus on the deep tech songs of the year? We need to get at least one track into ILM's top 100.

Even though I first heard it last year i'd happily swing behind Kane Law's "Free Your Mind" given its 2014 release and impact.

Massien's 'Kontrol', 'Better Let Her', 'Now You're Gone'.

Nightshift, 'Through the K Hole', 'Made You Look'.

RS4, 'Gladiator' and 'In the Dark'...

All those spring to mind.

Who does the insomnia track as well?

Yep all of those!

https://soundcloud.com/camocrooks/camo-crooks-insomnia

Great track! Love the EP title, Drugs and Stuff.

https://soundcloud.com/definition-audio/sets/definiton-audio-presents

out now. calle, louie and camo trax are the nuts

https://soundcloud.com/rinsefm/djhaus141114

lol haus kicks this latest set off with an offish arun verone remix of his own 'comin on' (classique tune btw) and massien 'better tell her'

interzoney style rudebwoy inta inta

(new rinse schedule of shorterz and haus b2b for four hours 7-11 friday nites is radio heaven fyi)

Can we caucus on the deep tech songs of the year?

"real shifters (get down)", "circles" and "babylon system" are my top tier, and "from above" and "okay" are kind of undeniable?

'Wet Dollars' by Tazer (although is this 2014?) and Ghost House Banton 'Shadows'.

https://soundcloud.com/camocrooks/camo-crooks-insomnia
Yassss you beauty, this one's been high on my list of 'must get an ID' tunes for a while now.

it would just work driving through wet London streets at night, and it's dark without resorting to the tiresome faux-screwface of so much UK bass music.
Might not have put it in exactly these terms myself, but Matt I think you've hit on something that appeals to me a lot about this stuff - it does ~darkness~ in a way that's fresh because it feels... unfussy maybe?

what am i missing here? this stuff is so ... basic.

i mean, i like stuff like "wet dollars" and "m-o-e", i just don't get the idea of a whole genre of tracks that sound so samey and simple

i basically get the hardwax new releases rss feed and pick stuff off of it based on my own narrow interests in trad acid house and detroit-rooted techno. not sure if that means anything about anyone other than myself, pretty sure it doesn't.

- the late great, Monday, 3 December 2012 23:42 Bookmark

^^TLG - Started to write a big response to that which defended this stuff with reference to various historical antecedents, but realised that it would just come across like amateur-hour b/s (especially to someone as knowledgeable on house and techno as yourself). Basically I can see quite well how a lot of people won't find this sort of thing very exciting, and I'm more or less ok with that.
I like it because it fulfils a particular need I have for moderately tracky, dark, mixable, unfussy/uncomplicated bassline-driven dance music. If that's less central to your tastes then you're not likely to get much mileage out of it tbh. Personally I was experiencing pretty major burn-out with dance & electronic stuff in general round about 2011-2012 because everything that was getting pushed in the circles I moved in (this including both critically-revered and more populist stuff) seemed too over-the-top or try-hard in some way or another. In that context, this sort of sound coming to the fore has been like a major breath of fresh air. Of course like with anything, I'll prob end up getting fed up with it and moving towards an opposite pole, but that's life.

Samey, perhaps, in that the sonic aesthetic is so defined. But I wouldn't say it all sounds simple.

Some of the reference points that came to mind with RS4's recent EPs which surprised me were (unfashionably) psytrance or (more tastefully) Lindstrom's Smallhans album, the interweaving arpeggios have that real Mandelbrot set quality to them.

let's not pretend we don't know what's happening here, again

v which set posted itt did you hear that didnt do it for you?

i'll check out more rs4 tracks, i liked the lfo tribute

r i'll tell you which set posted itt did do it for me: the dj haus set from 11/14

i liked it better than the calle lebraun set (which was admittedly pretty good) which bothered me because every track had the same bassline

what's happening is i'm starting to sound like geir again

other ones i liked but couldn't make it all the way through were the majesty set and the dice and perch set.

overuse of fm bass

three things this music reminds me of: 1) chicken lips 2) dj narrows 3) jump up jungle

this mix and the dancers in it video are really doing it for me

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i just don't get the idea of a whole genre of tracks that sound so samey and simple

It is what it is (etc.)

Also, shout out to the ultra-dark sonar bass on the second half of the RS4 LFO Tribute! Could listen to that forever.

Love that youtube, though note that one of the qualities the London shuffle appears to have inherited from the Melbourne shuffle is its attraction to dancers who don't really understand the notion of dancing in time with the music.

think u can say that about dancing in general

chicago house is pretty samey simple wudnt u agree chaps

and okay and from above are not deep tech

Yeah you can say it about dancing in general but shuffle type dances make it more obvious I guess because of how focused the dancing is.

yeah i would like to think that watching some of the dances might at least illustrate to some extent why this stuff is narrowed by design, the appeal in deliberately focusing on a specific claustrophobic minatory tension, using it as tautly-wired rotational axis

fyi both calle sets are 50% his own production (and majesty's 100%) which maybe adds to the "samey" thing somewhat tho i know that's not rly what tlg was getting at

also hope it is audibly obvious that the dj haus set is not pertinent to this stuff in the slightest, as i said i only mentioned it in noting some scene trax finding their way into unexpected avenues

chicago house is pretty samey simple wudnt u agree chaps

also trad acid house and detroit-rooted techno iirc. typical infidel's gambit

and okay and from above are not deep tech

i've already said why i'm not v happy with this polemical tack but otoh perhaps hardline hawkisms might make for a better study guide at this point

bad moment to indulge outliers but i do quite like the rs4 psytrance angle

https://soundcloud.com/rs4house/toyc-shuffle-rs4-mix

particularly this remix (which isnt really much more than a rejigged 'no one else') was enough to get me wondering if a humid tropical rainforest deep tech set (a la wonderland09) was viable, just for fun

oh I so want that

and okay and from above are not deep tech

It's a fine line between it being a coherent style and something like a 'made in England' tag. #justsayin

But maybe a label like Mokujin is interesting for sitting on the edge (and mainly being a clearing house for Paul Robinson). I think Valid might like some of this stuff, but is this deep tech? *shrug*

Soz, meant Vahid (the late great?) there. Was posting after the pub!

like i say it's not a particularly accurate or sane reflection of what the scene is but i do get where riz is coming from if the ilm deep tech eoy only adds up to massien, rs4, and popular house commonalities. was that caucus or caucayzh

x5 dubs, calle lebraun, majesty, ar, truce, a2h, jack n danny, louie anderson, riaz dhanani among others have all put out like at least three huge riddims each this year and if we're not riding for those we're not riding for anything, just ideologically vacant personal-brand cherrypick tourism and doglatin discourse blagging

:)

Real talk.

Would def vote for Babylon System in an ILM EOY poll that said.

https://soundcloud.com/camocrooks/camo-crooks-we-control-the-sound

bleeeeeeeeeeeep

my fave (praps the only come to think of it) bit of new shuffle-specific vernacular is when a tune makes someone just say POWER

that would get one of those i imagine

If we're doing end-of-year lists now, here's a few tunes that feel like 'where things are at' with the scene this year (obviously bearing in mind that I'm just listening to sets rather than there on the ground):
Truce ft Kenny Knots – Take Control (Tech mix is prob my favourite, but I guess the og mix is slightly more definitive)
Tazer – Wet Dollars (Donaeo remix)
Leon Renner ft Kerri Ann – Wait For You (Anthony Ranz remix)
Archie B – On & On
Nightshift – Made You Look (Hugo Massien remix)
X5 Dubs – Drunk In Love refix
Beep Dee – From Above (soz trillium/rizla, you know I love ya)

And beyond that here's a few personal faves:
Carnao Beats – Chords Of Life
Hodgson – One Spliff/Babylon System
RS4 – No One Else
Creative Mind & B3 – Take-Off
A2H – Effin Cockneys
Just JDan – The Master
Jack & Danny – The Machine
MK – Always (Shiba San remix)
Hugo Massien – Kontrol
Majesty ft Anton Romero – Touch
Playtime Productions – Haley
Nightshift – Dreams
Trixz – 7 Wonders
Synap – Your Hate
(Unfairly biased towards stuff I've heard recently though, and really there's at least a few dozen tunes I could include here).

god.... 'drunk in love', i know it's 2014, it has to be, but it feels sooooo much older now

it will be the one bit from all this stuff people will remember in ten years time. culture tune

lol not even joking i actually probably wouldnt have thought to put it down in any list so immanentized is it

'making love' is a classic too

the fact x5 put both up for free when they were hot or getting there (yes sample issues but) puts to shame all these other wannabe despots sitting on tunes til they are stone dead and killing the golden goose. there are way too many

^Yeah I'm still surprised not just by the amount of tunes that are given away by free download, but by the quality of some of the tunes that end up coming out that way. Licensing issues prob do explain it in some cases (like with Majesty's remix of My Love by Kele La Roc), but e.g. Donaeo's remix of Wet Dollars ended up being a free download iirc, and if anything you'd expect Tazer to be dead keen on it being an official commercially-released remix with Donaeo's name all over it. *shrugs*

I suppose in terms of being objective I should have included Promesses by Tchami as a definitive anthem for the scene this year. Still not the biggest fan of it myself though, even after hearing it billions of times on sets. The breakdown bits are cool in a woozy, swoony sort of way but the main drop/riff is just a bit naff imo.

I mean to be clear, I don't hate it. Preditah's remix is predictably pretty good.

Great choices Andy.

Funny how X5 Dubs and some random other bits like the Hugo Massien remix of "Made You Look" posit this stiff snapping electro direction that deep tech could take which (a) sounds wonderful but (b) just doesn't feel like something that would ever happen? It's a lovely cul de sac in any event.

i love that ominous slightly off-key droney synth sound that x5 dubs put in the background of all their tunes. tense

i'm fairly behind on this stuff nowadays (and music in general unfortunately) but my pick would be truce's take control. fave producers in the scene are probably playtime productions but i think all of their big tunes were last year and they seem to have gone a bit quiet? i think i said before i wasn't quite as struck by their contribution to the AR comp.

carnaos bass switch is another sick un. i´m generally ok with this scene being mc free but riddims like this make me think thats a shame.

btw andy dunno if you knew hayley is a playtime remix of a scottie d tune (as in criminally overlooked uk funky legend scottie d) from last year. killer tune though!

btw andy dunno if you knew hayley is a playtime remix of a scottie d tune (as in criminally overlooked uk funky legend scottie d) from last year. killer tune though!

Hehe I didn't know this till now but feel like I should have. Scottie D seems to have adapted quite well to deep-tech-ish stuff under his Love & Affection/L&A Music alias. GGB seems to play his stuff a lot. Love his tune Atmosphere (like the url says, supposed to be coming out on SOTU at some point):
https://soundcloud.com/scottmusik/atmosphere-coming-out-on-sotu

Ohhh and just realised that his Snows In April tune is one I'd been hearing in sets for ages without having an ID on:
https://soundcloud.com/scottmusik/djscottie-d-snows-in-april
Dark as you like!

Riaz Dhanani - Dark Forest VIP, On A Mission
Adam Cotier - Move Harder
A2H - Sorry's Not Enough, Don't Belong to You
Storm - Back In Touch
X5 Dubs - Boy Is Mine VIP, Because Of Me (X5 Dubs Remix), Nicole's Groove, Le Sex
Calle Lebraun - Sometimes I (Fantasize) ft Abbee Audio, Quiet Storm, Because of Me. Give & Take, Do Me Like Dat, The Essence, Going Back to Calle VIP
Louie Anderson - Dream, 9Ts (Remix), Don't Stop, Who Want It
Nightshift - Telling Me
Majesty - The One, Split Ends
Hugo Massien - All Night, Just Step, Damage, On My Own
Harry Ley - House, Underground, Strobe
S.E.F - What It Is
DJ Pioneer & TJ - Circles ft Dana McKeon (Playtime Remix), (Truce Remix)
Zander Hardy - Let Me Show You ft Anton Romero (Truce Remix)
AR - My Life ft Shenin Amara, What Is Love (AR Remix), So Much Pressure (AR Remix), Not Gonna Get Us (TATU Dub), Ying Yang
Rude Kid - No Stopping
Limit'less - Float VIP, Deepest Part Of Me
Creative Mind - House Of Evil
Anton Romero - Keep Calm
Jay Cas - Don't Be Afraid
London Grammar - Nightcall (Luke Larrell Remix)
Jack n Danny - Heat, Deep Down
Kurtz & Bomber - Such A Rush (Jack n Danny Refix)
Saint & Sinner - Somehow, Until I Die, Only For A Moment
Banton - Some Of Us
Oliver Rees - Eyes, Mango
Camo Crooks - Maestro
Antonio Noure - Pingpong
MNEK - Wrote A Song About You (Arun Verone Rework)
NRKY - Dangers, Enough, Polly Crayon
Nightshift - Telling Me, Forever, Equip For Warfare Clothes Bankrolls & Hoes, What Can I Do, That Hard Street Shit
Playtime Productions & Richie Cane - Truck Stop
J Clarke - Waving The 44, The Truth
Pesci - Stronger On My Own, The Luther Effect
Tech Twins - Wonder
Louis Fingers - Let It Play
Tainted Souls - Deep Down (Holt Blackheath Remix)

nice one, gonna go through that list for a quick catch up

gotta mention the strange static crew here (KG3, Just Jdan, Joseph Curti5, Aaron vibe, Perch), some of the rawest shit out there, ace radio show too.

AR - Not Gonna Get Us (TATU Dub)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anton Romero - Keep Calm

love this

^ gr8 when the beat goes all blurry woozy for "bout to back some juice, now i feel a bit loose..."

big fan of ar as mentioned upthread. he can slink n glower like the best of them but also has his fun with this uniquely nutty strain of sampling off-key things like sam & the womp, tatu, oh and i forgot this one too https://soundcloud.com/arproducer/ar-lance-morgan-next-to-me (which i thought was a v amusing juxtaposition until rodigan later made it come true at the red bull clash) (how come we never talked about that anyway)

the only other producer that comes vaguely close in that regard is louie anderson (see his '9ts' remix, ideally in situ near the start of x5 dubs' agenda set linked upthread) but his is a more bugged-out cokehead loon kinda vibe. was quite pleased when he guested on nightshift's podcast recently and did indeed turn out to be an pwopa nawty essex geezer

i didn't say how much i loved that louie anderson single that sampled nicki did i? big fan of the way this scene samples female rappers (and vocal samples in general)

https://soundcloud.com/mfrrecords/harry-ley-my-neck-original-mix

ur welcome

i still think there's mileage in this otm idea but there remains no evidence of it that i'm aware of; i'd imagine if anything the scene may have codified to become exclusionary tho idk

Queerness in Afro-British dance music?

strictly musically speaking you could say the london shuffle/tech/deep thing right now is (unknowingly) likely the queerest-coding organically indigenous (well, sort of) urban scene there's ever been in the uk, but again that's more in theory than (ime at least) proper evidence of cultural mutuality. as far as i can ascertain it's still kind of like ballroom made and consumed by lumpen str8s; from afar there would seem to me to be logical potential there though, idk

― r|t|c, Monday, 29 July 2013 13:20 Bookmark

nonsense

what is

which part

An aside: love it how this thread begins w/ the same lukewarm response and indignation as 'funky house sceptics'...

Finally checking out Introducing Calle Lebraun mix. Carnao Beats - Chords Of Life: epic.

xp lol yeah same, went on a rant about it there too funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

'chords of life' is v good but i tend to subconsciously sabotage its belleville 3 pomposity by thinking of a sad robot laboriously playing panpipes

this stiff snapping electro direction that deep tech could take which (a) sounds wonderful but (b) just doesn't feel like something that would ever happen? It's a lovely cul de sac in any event.

― Tim F, Saturday, 22 November 2014 19:34 Bookmark

https://soundcloud.com/rinsefm/markradford081114

get the lino out cos radford the master of cul de sacs has something of mild interest for u at 52 mins here (jakkin rabbit 'malteaser') (jakkin rabbit is half marc spence of jackin repute somewhat predictably)

https://soundcloud.com/jackndanny/jackndanny-vs-kurtzbomber-such-a-rush-remix-free-download

yasss. simple and lethal

x5 dubs, calle lebraun, majesty, ar, truce, a2h, jack n danny, louie anderson, riaz dhanani among others have all put out like at least three huge riddims each this year and if we're not riding for those we're not riding for anything, just ideologically vacant personal-brand cherrypick tourism and doglatin discourse blagging

as a tourist of this thread i agree

Would def vote for Babylon System in an ILM EOY poll that said.

as a tourist of this thread i agree

i love tourism fyi. just not if ur ordering chips every place u go

https://soundcloud.com/stan-ritch/soad-byob-stan-ritch-editfree-download

here brad found u a nice welcome present

im drunk af listening to babylon system on repeat B-)

👊

best haunting ode to reepian national football tactics ever

an obstacle for me with scenes like this is i can never sit myself down for sustained mix listening. guess this is growing up

will say of the little i've listened to through the year calle lebraun is my mvp

lol rtc this is literally the most appropriate track for me

What deep tech mixes do I need to be listening to in December? What were the best mixes this year?

https://soundcloud.com/crowdedhouseinc/lhr-london-house-raves-sat-29th-nov-jack-danny-secret-location-east-london

just listened to this one, def the spiciest i've heard in a bit

https://soundcloud.com/crowdedhouseinc/liquorice-fri-21-novarchie-bcasual-bperch-mc-o2-academy-oxford

this is a short but sweet slice of rowdy life as well while i'm there

What deep tech mixes do I need to be listening to in December? What were the best mixes this year?

One that I've kept coming back to a lot is Lee B3 Edward's set from Brixton Splash. Feels like a nice time-capsule of this year in the scene up till that point - perfect mix of Eastside bangers and scene anthems. I wouldn't usually play this card, but I feel that with this one even the dodgy mixing in places just enhances the overall vibe of happy chaos:
https://soundcloud.com/house-ent/b3brixton2014
(Lance Morgan and Jack n Danny sets from the same event are highly enjoyable too).

fuck you all for not including kieran perez's "monster" ep on your end of your lists upthread.

https://soundcloud.com/east-side-10/sets/monster-ep-kieran-perez

Haven't seen any deep tech listed on any EOY music polls so far. It is strange that FACT doesn't cover this given their totally bizarre alternate universe ideas about what was hot and treading anyway.

there's channel 4/fact mag "urban" then there's urban

missed Lance Morgan on Radfords show waiting for the upload, should be sick

I meant the list upthread, but fuck all of them too.

Yeah I know, just sayin' - was curious to see if any of this showed up anywhere in the usual EOY places.

Perez EP is sounding amazing.

deep tech is is so crit-unfriendly - not as a strict sound per se but as a concept or organising principle for an entire genre that one might feel inclined to rally behind.

and i think even for fans there's a real pascalian quality to it, where you have to subject yourself to quite a bit of it to realise just how good it is. Which is difficult to do and keep on top of sun kill moon at the same time, perhaps.

Wait for the Night Slugs style reappropriation I guess.

dunno if pascalian is fair tbh... always thought the ganja kru had a fairly immediate appeal myself

Haha

Hey rtc that jack and danny set you linked is actually changing my life as we type.

The bleep resonances just seem to get stronger, there's that real clanking bludgeoning "we are back" vibe to a lot of this

j&d are on fiyah imo, their new bits 'signs' and 'figure it out' in that mix are soooo goooood

did u see on dissensus someone discovered that one of them was depeo btw!

!!!

Hardcore will never die.

https://soundcloud.com/nicky-longe/nicky-pressure-1am-mix

this guy is an associate of that whole ye old live fm clan, i'm only a minute into this set right now but the pace is telling me it'll be a keeper

https://soundcloud.com/ernest-moseni/a2h-acid-attacks-preview

oh yeah here's some more nu bleep too

and i think even for fans there's a real pascalian quality to it, where you have to subject yourself to quite a bit of it to realise just how good it is. Which is difficult to do and keep on top of sun kill moon at the same time, perhaps.

i think this is an internet only problem..

no shit sherlock I was talking about FACT magazine.

(less snarky)

Like yeah a lot of this music is immediately, intuitively enjoyable and involving, but not in a manner that tends to ring many critical receptors like "this is gonna change the world", for people that care about that sort of thing.

Funky was like that too, but I think with deep tech it even takes some listeners a while to see what it is that makes the music its own distinct thing (see lex's posts upthread for example). Which is remarkable to me but it is what it is.

I don't think this has been listed on this thread either, Leon Renner ft Kerri Ann - Wait For You (Anthony Ranz Remix): https://soundcloud.com/soturecordings/wait-for-u

Reynolds also mentions a few tracks I hadn't heard on his EOY:

Theo Nasa, Area 51 - https://soundcloud.com/house-ent/her008
Shay & Sinista, Boiling Point - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIO12Jag0pA
Area 8, On My Level - https://soundcloud.com/audio-rehab-london/area-8-on-my-level

but not in a manner that tends to ring many critical receptors like "this is gonna change the world", for people that care about that sort of thing.

this doesnt sound v enjoyable but fair enuff..

dude we agree - the critics are in the wrong

Fact deciding to get into deep tech would be the worst thing that could happen to the genre, it should be allowed to develop of its own accord rather than having some agenda-filled critical narrative clunkily superimposed onto it, like when they decided funky was all about Jam City, or that grime would be improved by having more in the way of stern cavernous whiteboy instrumentals.

It's finally here! https://soundcloud.com/rs4house/little-man-club-mix

tbph there's nothing anyone can do to 'little man' any more at this point that wouldn't result in rolling of eye and stifling of yawn for this blasphemer

where that 'locked on you' remix at though, is the real issue #NOTHINGEVERMATTERS

This is probably an even worse thing to say but I've never really understood the outsized classic status of the original exemen "little man" remix. Good track but Sia was annoying even back then.

Meanwhile that Jack N Danny set has ruled my life this past week.

I feel like it articulates a new (for me) shift in deep tech's sense of rhythmic deviation, perhaps it's the way the sound is mixed but it feels like the 4X4 kick is really de-emphasised in favour of this bewitching bass/snare/hi-hat interplay that brings back in some of the feel of funky but doing so with an entirely different rhythmic matrix.

https://soundcloud.com/nightshift-1/lokate-flow-feat-doctor-bay-c-nightshift-official-remix

^___^

(putting that with this in my "nothing to do with ward 21 guv honest" 2014 playlist: http://youtu.be/UXcQF1205o8 )

followed this thread on & off thru the year & enjoyed pace brad as a tourist

tbh i mostly like this bc it all sounds like green velvet's 'shake & pop' which was the anthem when i was going out 3-4 times a week in my mid 20s. in fact i could swear that one of those songs vahid was fucking w/ is a straight rip of its drums.

Funky was like that too, but I think with deep tech it even takes some listeners a while to see what it is that makes the music its own distinct thing (see lex's posts upthread for example). Which is remarkable to me but it is what it is.

― Tim F, Monday, December 15, 2014 11:30 AM Bookmark

Still trying to figure out why funky is some of my favorite dance music ever and this stuff leaves me cold. Tbf, I inherently distrust anything with "tech" in the name. I think the clipped, techno-y drum sounds might be exactly it.

this stuff is awesome imo, listened to that last mix rtc posted, its all muscular goth house w/ hip-hop accents

Rev not that you'll necessarily like it, but stuff like Jack N Danny is where deep tech starts to drift closer to funky territory, e.g. this tune (ridiculously given away for free):

https://soundcloud.com/jackndanny/jack-n-danny-heat-mastered?in=jackndanny/sets/free-downnloads

But it's more like that paranoid bugged out sounding end of funky, e.g. Scotty D (who actually became a deep tech producer) or Drew Austin remixing Drake.

This still has those trebly drum sounds I can't stand. I feel like I'd be totally behind this if it had different drums.

rev are you big on old chicago house? like the more jacking/acid end of it?

Yeah basically as funky did to the naturalistic drum sounds of funky/tribal house, deep tech does to the more mechanic hi-hat/snare patterns of early house and techno.

I guess I pay lip service to that stuff but if I'm being real with myself I get my classic house kicks more from 90s NYC.

I don't think I can even tell what drum sounds rev is referring to

Deep tech is now really pushing the stiff, reticular snare and hi-hat patterns of early house and techno into syncopated, funky-esque territory, I wonder how long it will be before the tunes regularly drop the kick on the two and the four and go full bore on the trebly syncopation.

Posted this on the Dissensus thread so may as well post it here too - quick mix I did:
http://www.mixcloud.com/MrAndyM/house-trip-volume-1/

More to come soon - I was originally planning to do maybe 2 of these but it's now looking like I'd need to do at least 3 or 4 to fit in all the tunes I'd want to play.

Not really aiming or expecting to surprise/educate those of you who regularly post here with the selection - the main point of doing these is just to gather together my favourite tunes in nice beat-mixed packages, so you'll get plenty of scene anthems, a few 'roots of' type tunes and current international house tunes that I feel fit with the sound, plus some personal faves from the scene that imo maybe haven't had the recognition that they deserve.

Tracklist:
Area 8 - Lifted
Playtime Productions - Butterflies (State Of The Heart remix)
Creative Mind & A2H - Bed Sheets
Luke Larrell - Hiya
Nightshift - The Clash
Storm - Back In Touch
MK - Always (Shiba San remix)
Alex Arnout - One (More)
Calle Lebraun - Quiet Storm
Hodgson - Babylon System
Just JDan - Acidized
X5 Dubs - Cold Fresh Air
Jack N Danny - Fine Night
Majesty - The One
Louie Anderson - Deep Down VIP
Jack N Danny - Deep Down
Arun Verone - Hater Shades
Riaz Dhanani - Dark Forest
Mr Solo - Forced Entry
Pesci & SDP - Luther Effect
Leon Renner - Wait For You (Anthony Ranz remix)
Beep Dee - From Above
Carnao Beats - Chords Of Life
RS4 - No One Else
Creative Mind & Lee Edwards - Take Off

Will be adding a download link soon.

Holy shit @ that Nicky Pressure 1am mix.

What's the tune that samples (but fucks with) the vocals from INXS's "Need You Tonight"? It's amazing.

https://soundcloud.com/devonrivers/pretty-boy-mafia-detox-i-need

Ta!

fyi nicky pressure has liked 314 tunes on his soundcloud, 313 of which are up to the time 2014 jams PLUS

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Screama & Merkury Ft Farah - Kiss Me
Posted 4 years ago

Deep tech is now really pushing the stiff, reticular snare and hi-hat patterns of early house and techno into syncopated, funky-esque territory, I wonder how long it will be before the tunes regularly drop the kick on the two and the four and go full bore on the trebly syncopation.

― Tim F, jueves 25 de diciembre de 2014 1:07 (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can totally see this happening, maybe like a slowed down 2step or summat, or maybe that streetsoul vibe rtc was talking about ages ago? that would be ace. radford is apparently pushing more original vocal tunes too so this could all slot together nicely i reckon.

re funky: so much of this stuff has that 5 beats to the bar rhythm that funky had, but in the bass rather than the snares.

5 beats to the bar rhythm

clave

ballroom has been giving me that particular fix since funky died down

lol I think I find the unadorned pounding kick drum in ballroom to be an equivalent obstacle to hi-hats/snares in deep tech for you. Though more in the sense of "why I like not adore it" rather than dislike.

Afropop is best for scratching the funky itch imo

I like afrobeats but they don't completely speak to me like ballroom does.

Really I like SA house more than West African stuff tbh

I feel like all the ppl here whose taste in dance music mine is most aligned with like lou and brainwasher are gone from ILX and I have no one to nerd out here with :(

What does ballroom refer to specifically in 2014?

When I think of it in a Chicago context I think of stuff that doesn't sound all that far from upgrunt tbh

asking bc id like to hear it btw

https://m.soundcloud.com/cunt-traxxx

this stuff makes me feel old lol

a lil frankendance for my liking...no disrespect.

iirc brainwasher is into fade to mind type dance music i should ask him though what he's been listening to

looked at some chicago ball videos & they're bumping katie got bandz lol http://youtu.be/cp6snsRw_Go?t=1m7s

I've been listening to a lot of Fade to mind-ish (I guessss) dance music and posting some of it on the "doing it wrong" thread.Janus, M.E.S.H, #feelings, instrumental "grime" with lots of negative space, lots of tracks and mixes posted by friends. It's not like I go out anywhere this stuff is played irl but this is the most excited I've been about club music maybe ever.

fade to mind-ish ballroom leaves me totally cold and i haven't worked out whether they're reinterpreting it badly or whether i just don't like ballroom...i find the beats stiff and the rhythms awkward, which doesn't make sense to me given where it come from.

Deep tech is now really pushing the stiff, reticular snare and hi-hat patterns of early house and techno into syncopated, funky-esque territory, I wonder how long it will be before the tunes regularly drop the kick on the two and the four and go full bore on the trebly syncopation

i don't understand this post at all. this is why i don't write about dance music any more

Holy shit @ that Nicky Pressure 1am mix.

Indeed. So much energy.

You guys are all getting it wrong. Tim F linked to... a white British person(??!?). Fade to Mind released some classic MikeQ stuff at a timely moment and have put out a few ballroom-inspired tracks by other producers who aren't closely associated with ballroom, but are entirely tangential to the scene.

The beats for the most part are very stiff in a way (lex you might like B. Ames, whose beats are a lot more rollicking), but they're made to vogue to, and vogueing is kind of a stiff dance. I can understand them not making intuitive sense if you don't vogue, kind of like footwork if you don't footwork (nb I love footwork but I kind of suck at footworking). The emphasis on the crash makes ballroom work in a very different way than any other type of dance music I've heard. Ballroom is entirely oriented around hard beats usually on the 1 or 4 where dance moves are emphasized, and the other beats just kind of provide a foundation between the crashes, so even if it has a similar rhythm as funky on the surface, it actually operates very differently because of the crash.

At the QTPOC party I throw, I always play about 30-45 mins of ballroom at the peak time and there's a vogueing circle and commentator and it's really special. The crew of hardcore voguers are always waiting for that and everyone else gets into it too. I might be DJing an actual ball soon if the guy I work with who's a vogueing instructor gets around to actually putting it together.

These are a couple of my favorite ballroom mixes:

http://www.mixcloud.com/playgroundmag/playground-mix-108-mikeq/
http://www.mixpakrecords.com/blog/2013/07/mixpak-fm-vjuan-allure/

Oh, another way it's rhythmically different from funky is that when the kick is syncopated it emphasizes the onbeat 8ths (that "stiffness") rather than the offbeat 16ths, which are emphasized by the snare, whereas in funky both the kick (when syncopated) and the snare emphasize the offbeats.

(Obviously there's also none of funky's sometime emphasis on tune, melody, or harmony either. It's all very hard and rhythmic.)

i don't understand this post at all. this is why i don't write about dance music any more

― lex pretend, Saturday, December 27, 2014 10:29 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Reading me for some ten plus years must have been quite a trial. You have my condolences.

I'm talking about the way that a lot of deep tech seems to be de-emphasing the role of the steady 4X4 kick and filling the void with an emphasis on the rhythmic patterns created by the other rhythm hits (snares, hi-hats, sometimes claps - all of the drum sounds which Rev thinks are too trebly).

One of the things garage did as part of its transition from speed garage (which had 4 evenly-spaced kicks per bar, one-two-three-four, like most deep tech) to 2-step (which sparingly placed kicks all over the place, but most commonly on the one and then on the third-off beat - i.e. right before where a fourth kick would go) was keep a kick on the first beat and the third beat but drop out the second and fourth.

This doesn't create that full-on slinky 2-step vibe - it's the off-grid placement of the second kick (and sometimes third kick if there was one) in 2-step that really determines that - but it gets a lot of the way there, by forcing you to dance not to the steady boom-boom-boom-boom of the kick drum but to the rhythmic patterns created by all those snares and hi-hats around it.

Deep tech feels right on the verge of that just as a lot of '97 speed garage did.

What deep tech does in addition - as benny b notes upthread - is have these really impacting riffy baselines creating counter-rhythms - e.g. clave rhythms - that push this vibe before you even start involving the actual percussion.

lol rev as far as I can tell ballroom is filled with annoying white (sometimes british) people, I admit my choice was a bit of a troll though.

I perhaps over-associate ballroom now with that sweary drag queen side now owing to knowing quite a few people who are into all of that.

100% of the core ballroom producers are black Americans.

Yeah i get you but you do need to say "core". It's like saying 100% of the real techno producers are black and from detroit. It requires a lot of filtering out.

In the soundcloud / everyone's a DJ age this is true of nearly all dance sub-genres.

I like B Ames but haven't kept up for about two years - any essentials in that time?

I mean, I hear ballroom out in two very different contexts, at white-dominated electronic music events, and at black gay events. The selections and contextualization you'll hear at each are very different but at the latter 95-100% of the ballroom tracks you'll hear are by black Americans and that's ballroom to me, the rest is tangential.

B. Ames afaict hasn't really put out anything of worth lately, even most of the tracks he's put up on his soundcloud lately are actually from 2010-2012. Vjuan Allure, Byrell the Great, Jay R Neutron, Divoli Svere have been releasing great stuff pretty regularly.

fwiw, I made a ballroom edit of "Sex Machine" recently while we're on the topic

https://soundcloud.com/reverenddollars/jb-sex-machine-reverend-dollars-suicide-dip-edit

Posted this on the Dissensus thread so may as well post it here too - quick mix I did:
http://www.mixcloud.com/MrAndyM/house-trip-volume-1/

Awesome mix dude :)

Reading me for some ten plus years must have been quite a trial. You have my condolences.

yeah not all your writing reads like a maths essay about rhythm though. i don't think i've ever listened to music in the way you describe (or explain). like, do you count along???

One of the things garage did as part of its transition from speed garage (which had 4 evenly-spaced kicks per bar, one-two-three-four, like most deep tech) to 2-step (which sparingly placed kicks all over the place, but most commonly on the one and then on the third-off beat - i.e. right before where a fourth kick would go) was keep a kick on the first beat and the third beat but drop out the second and fourth.

i mean i actually know the difference between garage and speed garage when i listen to them but this is like, maths or physics or something to me

Lex, that's not willfully obfuscatory on Tim's part though, it's just the standard vocabulary used to describe rhythm. I think that people who are used to thinking about rhythm in this way (including all trained musicians) just instinctively know which beat of the bar they're on, you can feel it in the pulse of the music and it's particularly straightforward in loop-based music. But I can see how it would look confusing written down - the trick that Tim is describing is what gives two-step beats that kind of skippy feeling, as opposed to the more rigid speed garage (or even more rigid techno).

"reticular snare" and "trebly syncopation"??

but it's not really a vocab issue, it's more that this is just not how i think about or respond to music at all

Yeah okay "reticular snare" is a bit OTT but "trebly syncopation" is a completely valid thing to say about music.

I think you probably DO respond to these things, unless you dance to a rigid 4/4 tech-house track in the same way as a slinky UK garage cut, but these things are designed to provoke instant reactions, in the same way you can respond emotionally to a chord change without having to think about its construction.

Yeah, being a musician, a classically trained dancer (in tap of all styles, which is more rhythmically complex than just about any genre of music you hear), a producer, and a dj, each of those things has taught me to think about rhythm in very particular ways, to the point where a rather heavy portion of how I engage with music is thinking about how particular rhythms work. I just wish I had as rich an understanding of melody and especially harmony, which can hold as many complexities as rhythm, but many of them are lost on me on an intellectual level.

I mean, I don't go into a piece of music counting the beats, but if I'm trying to figure out how a particular rhythm works, sure I do.

right talking about rhythm isnt meant to happen ~while dancing~ or something, these are just terms to help us understand intellectually after the fact what we know instinctively.

rev, i'm curious about the ballroom production scene ... like i know chicago for example has a long running (since the early 1900s) black ballroom scene but it seems like the music is always de-emphasized—like I look up videos, event flyers & etc. and none mention the DJs, the music is always pushed to the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzSWtZvs0wo

Is this stuff developing in a localized scene anywhere, or is it pretty much interlinked soundcloud DJs? Obviously there are different sounds depending on where you are, I would def think Chicago has a different sound than Jersey. Are there clubs where this stuff is played all night without the actual balls taking place? Where can I hear individual tracks? That video above features Jack Mizrahi, btw, who had a spot on the deluxe tracks on JLo's album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSZ5Aq3EGpo

The stuff being talked about in this thread is v obv in the context of a UK-centric dancefloor-oriented scene; I guess I'm curious to what degree the ballroom music is incidental (the way footwork is dance music so specifically functional) or if it's stuff that has traction outside, and what the relationship is between inside/outside, where the exact spaces for 'in' is, particularly in 2014.

right talking about rhythm isnt meant to happen ~while dancing~ or something, these are just terms to help us understand intellectually after the fact what we know instinctively.

Yep.

I probably do think about rhythm when I'm dancing more than most, but more about the interrelationship between the beats and what my body is doing than what specific things the producer has done with the beats.

Awesome mix dude :)

Cheers pal, I'm glad that you liked it 'cause I know you're not always mad about this stuff.
Should hopefully get part 2 recorded and uploaded tomorrow.

Deej: The only dedicated ballroom club night outside of the balls themselves I know of is Vogue Knights in New York, which is founded and promoted by Jack Mizrahi, with MikeQ as the resident DJ. NYC is definitely the center of the scene, although there are a few outposts like DC and Atlanta and other producers sprinkled here and there (like B. Ames is Houston-based). Vjuan Allure was the first to edit MAW's "The Ha Dance" in 2000, which marks the proper start of ballroom as genre, rather than simply tracks that were played at balls (hard percussive house tracks were definitely preferred), although his Ha edits gained traction in DC before NYC and other cities picked up on them. The production scene was mostly developed between producers swapping CDs and giving tracks to established ball DJs and started to become fully formed around the mid-2000s as Jay Karan (his stuff is absulutely fucking nuts, MikeQ and others started producing. I haven't gotten as much of a sense for localized sounds as much as different producers having distinct takes. I don't know anything about the Chicago ball scene, so you might know more there than I do.

Ballroom's relation to function is pretty similar to footwork, as far as being there to facilitate a very specific form of dance. I don't think it has as well-developed an infrastructure to distribute it to the outer world. There's stuff that's readily available but I have to go deep web to find a lot of the stuff I play, a lot of stuff can only be gotten directly from producers. There aren't whole albums of this stuff being released on established labels like footwork. Afaict, most or all of the core producers DJ at "in" spaces (balls, drag pageants, an event like Vogue Knights, other black gay/trans spaces) and most play at least occasionally in "out" spaces. Obviously there are a bunch of "out" producers producing and playing ballroom, but only rarely if ever in "in" spaces.

Probably the best place to hear individual tracks is the Qween Beat (MikeQ's label) soundcloud page. There's some chaff, but most of the important ballroom producers and emcees have been affiliated with Qween Beat at some point or other and that page has a lot of the cream of them, plus you can follow links back to the individual producers from there.

word this stuff is interesting to me.

i do want to note that perhaps the reason ppl around here dont fuck with it isnt nec. taste but bc its so hard to acquire!

oh yeah, there's this thread too thread of ballroom chants, vogueing beats, and associated cuntiness (MikeQ, B. Ames, Vjuan Allure, Jay Karan, etc.)

did not know it existed! *bookmarked*

Still not sure what's possessed me to start doing this again, but here's another mix:
http://www.mixcloud.com/MrAndyM/house-trip-volume-2/

Tracklist:
Hodgson - One Spliff
RS4 & Kane Law - Time Out
Calle Lebraun ft Abbee- Sometimes I (Fantasize)
Retrosynths - Everybody Dance
Kane Law - Free Your Mind
Kele La Roc - My Love (Majesty remix)
Matt Fear - Invasion
Mr & Mrs Smith - London To Dubai
X5 Dubs - Le Sex
Hugo Massien - I Know
Anton Romero - Keep Calm (Aizi Robinson remix)
A2H - Effin Cockneys
James What - In The Dark
Lee Edwards & Storm - Enchanted Nights
Russ Jay - Flavour
Majesty - Mr Backerman
RS4 - In The Dark
Nick Holder - Erotic Illusions (Steve Bug & Martin Landsky remix)
NRKY ft Lenzez - Old Skool Skank
Archie B - On & On
Tazer - Wet Dollars (Donaeo remix)
Second City - I Enter (X5 Dubs remix)
NRKY - Polly Crayon
Nightshift - Dreams
Camo Crooks - Maestro
Jack N Danny - Jump Around
Paul Robinson - Space Rider
KG3 - Believe
Truce ft Kenny Knots - Take Control

Download link here:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/y5p8to
(Also added on the Mixcloud page).

Hopefully not too much overkill in terms of length/number of tunes - for the last 20-30 minutes I was stuck in the zone of 'OK I should think about wrapping this up now - ohh alright, just one more tune' etc etc.

Rev btw the Mike Q Playground mix that you posted is ace. Just stuck on the Vjuan Allure Mixpak FM mix and it's sounding pretty good too so far.

rev dropping knowledge itt

i like this Divoli S'vere mix a ton:
http://dotheastralplane.com/2014/04/15/divoli-svere-mix-for-the-astral-plane/

Ctrl-f "upgrunt"
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/dec/30/how-deep-tech-became-clubbings-biggest-success-story

Great piece despite that shocking absence.

are Dusky deep tech? love them

They're not but I like them too.

Part 3 in the mix series now up:

http://www.mixcloud.com/MrAndyM/house-trip-volume-3/

Tracklist:
Just JDan - The Master
Jack N Danny - Flying High
Lost & Found - Lana's Lies
Hugo Massien ft Mavora - Damage
Ante Perry & Kolombo - Completely Positive (Walker & Royce remix)
Oliver Huntemann & Stephan Bodzin - Rubin
DJ Pioneer & TJ ft Dana McKeon - Circles (Truce dub mix)
Lucky Paul ft Mara TK - Elephant Island (Ossie remix)
Theo Nasa - Galaxy Jungle
Jay Cee - Steryophonic
A2H - Sorry's Not Enough
Jack N Danny - On & On
Skinnyfat - Necessity (Praise You)
Mr & Mrs Smith - F The Radio
Limitless - Darkest Part Of Me
Kid Tizoh - Mind Games
Creative Mind - House Of Evil
Jakkin Rabbit - Rock Steady
Hugo Massien - Myndgamez
Syap - Your Hate
Carnao Beats - The Witness
Route 94 - Misunderstood
Danny T - So Much Pressure (AR remix)
Majesty ft Anton Romero - Touch
Archie B - All Night Long
Omex - Murder Sound
Arun Verone - Short From Change
Playtime Productions & Majesty - Cruel Summer (Apollo 84 remix)
Erly - Siren

Download link (Sendspace):
https://www.sendspace.com/file/53v7di
Download link (Mediafire):
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/dl80yksj9n3jvku/HouseMix3.mp3

Holy shit @ this KG3 tune:
https://www.soundcloud.com/strangestatic/kg3-freak

Taken from this great radio set:

https://soundcloud.com/perchmc/aaron-vybe-perch-mc-strange-static-show-14-03-14

Seriously tho this Aaron Vybe radio set is amazing.

Yeah can't really go wrong with Strange Static radio sets.

I need to give some of their more recent ones a listen actually.

IT'S ALL OVER

https://soundcloud.com/hugomassien/hugo-massien-ultra-2015-dub

Hugo Massien is the best.

Also like the idea of Ultra-House.

not feeling that hugo massien tbh

https://soundcloud.com/pathogen-beats/strictly-underground-house-december-edition-mixed-for-wwwlocateyourshootcom

this set by pathogen though, pree the tune at 39:00, the gliding synths, the vocals, some perfect mutant grime house

tune after it sounds like some mojukin madness as well, some fuckery techno thats danceable but weird as fuck

much better than that contrived hugo jawn

https://soundcloud.com/aaronvybe/aaron-vybe-destruction-mix - this 1s not bad as well

having said that though

https://soundcloud.com/crowdedhouseinc/fudge-hugo-massienboxing-day-2014invite-only

this set is pretty fucked

Yeah, he's great. Not sure what your dig is about? It's definitely less subtle than a lot of Mokujin stuff.

Those mixes look great though! Will check them out.

Should mention in passing I also brought in my NYE inducting friends at a house party into deep tech with that Calle Lebraun mix! :D

just wasnt feeling the tune/hyperbole too much but ye hugo is def one to watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-DgjPTxjVs

hugo massien - sbtv

Tracklisting
KG3 - Tell Me
Nightshift - Made You Look (Hugo Massien Remix VIP)
Hugo Massien x Blazey Bodynod - Pump U Up
Camo Crooks - Insomnia
Redlight - 9Ts (Tolerance Beatz ft. Beege Remix)
Nightshift - Tremors
Hugo Massien - Better Let Her
Clean Bandit & Jess Glynne - Real Love (Ollie Julien & Shaun Dean Remix)
Riaz Dhanani - On A Mission
Jay Cas - They Don’t Know
Hugo Massien - Fahrenheit
RS4 - Love You Girl (Dub)
Hugo Massien - Kontrol
Formula - You Make Me
J Brown - Pump It Up
KG3 - Believe
Hugo Massien - All Night

just to show theres no hard feelings ;)

Rediscovering Massien's "String Tek": such a great addition to the Nasty Crew --> "Gabryelle" --> ??? continuum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIhpooLUiGw

TUNE

monster TUNE, controversial addition itt but on reflection allowable

https://soundcloud.com/spinnin-deep/pep-rash-rumors-original-mix

even less germane but my shit right now is THIS

spinnin > motown

― r|t|c, Saturday, 24 May 2014 18:15 Bookmark

I justify on the basis that i heard it in one of Nightshift's amaze mine eyes have seen the glory House Sessions sets.

On that note also: Marcellus Wallace & That Guy's "Heavyweight", though it's not circulating in standalone form yet.

https://soundcloud.com/spinnin-deep/pep-rash-rumors-original-mix

even less germane but my shit right now is THIS

― r|t|c, Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:38 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

holy shit @ this epochal banger, i am shocked to my very foundations

oh excellent that nightshift set was on my to do list

feel really bad for trilliam that all the major deep tech players seem to keep falling for these popular falsehoods rather than pursuing the one true path of rustic artisanal and definitely not contrived ruff sqwad 2002 playstation beats

seasoned fans will recognise of course that yes i am simultaneously using both realness and popist sticks to beat everyone itt with

deep tech players dropping tunes like "ghosts" et. al. is surely within the one true definition of realness, you have to understand the rules in yr bones to flout them at surface level with such swag.

wish I had forever screenshotted the spizzazzz explanation of R&B diva ballad realness.

in the soundcloud comments there for massien's 'ultra' (mind-altering) there's a guy in raptures (an american, who i suspect has posted earlier itt, possibly astrochimp?) who breathlessly invokes photek, which is v otm i feel, only not entirely in a positive way - there is def a "rupert and hugo advance the streets" vibe that is being glommed on to and that does a tasteless disservice to the rest of the scene

tune is sicker though. is anyone else hearing it as total depeche mode homage?!

in my head it fits nicely with this incredible thing from late last year which almost seems to perform the unintentionally witty feat of mashing up conspiciously consumptive 'bugatti' with like one of the on-u sound 12" dubs of 'people are people'

https://soundcloud.com/kanelawmusic/kane-laws-bugatti-played-by-mark-radford-on-rinse-fm

patrick topping, dj haus and other stuff have made me frequently wonder if a return to a really blocky 1980s yello/art of noise sound wasnt in the offing but idk

feel really bad for trilliam that all the major deep tech players seem to keep falling for these popular falsehoods rather than pursuing the one true path of rustic artisanal and definitely not contrived ruff sqwad 2002 playstation beats

huh ?

nothing wrong with djs playing either of them two tunes although ill admit they dont do much for me.

xpost yeah "Ultra" is totally Depeche Mode. It's that sense of simultaneous cleanliness and smut, like a latex-gloved hand poking out of a leather jacket.

The thing I find odd about trying to make Massien the Photek of deep tech is that, with the exception of a handful of tracks (the "Made You Look" remix, "Badman") his sound is fairly... emblematic? I mean, it's distinctive, sure, but only in a relative sense, like you can say that Massien stands out from Carnao or RS4 but conversely you can also say that RS4 stands out from Carnao or Massien, and so on.

As usual for me it's all about the spectrum: one of the things I love about the last two Nightshift mixes (I haven't heard pre volume 11) (and some of their tracks e.g. "Can't Lose") is how unabashedly housey they tend to get, really unafraid of big juicy swing. It's the relationship between stuff like that and the unabashed future-minimalism of "Badman" say that is fun, rather than fixating on one pole or the other.

double use of "unabashed" was deliberate but now I regret it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcYWCxcJ2go

turns out i have heard this nightshift set, for it is likely where i sourced this favourite ott mournful number (talein's previous track 'lights on' is a classic little underrated coquettish bubbler tho, do check)

it's an enjoyable set but for me not necessarily one where i'd have said its (all present and correct) ingredients manage to coalesce into that synapse-teasing ldn x-factor thing, like it just plays out too regular to hit that magic 88mph

the broader point about there being a variegated spectrum i agree with totally, but adumbrating the 'rules' within which that spectrum operates is what makes this all easily the most fiendishly impossible scene game there's yet been, critically speaking; often irresistibly bold and distinctive, other times vanished into wider house currents as if the whole thing was something imagined in the corner of ur eye, either way never consistent and only ever fleetingly communicable

kinda tempting to imagine deep tech as being like how a hypothetical funky without marcus might have turned out, an alternate reality where his round table nemesis pioneer held sway instead in all his non-oppositional pragmatism; and of course the brutal irony with that is that pioneer actually ishere playing this stuff while marcus otoh is left irrelevant and stranded precisely because of the strength of his earlier conviction, that very need to define his scene and set it apart

guess we all just muddle on

kinda tempting to imagine deep tech as being like how a hypothetical funky without marcus might have turned out, an alternate reality where his round table nemesis pioneer held sway instead in all his non-oppositional pragmatism; and of course the brutal irony with that is that pioneer actually ishere playing this stuff while marcus otoh is left irrelevant and stranded precisely because of the strength of his earlier conviction, that very need to define his scene and set it apart

lol i enjoy this alternative history scenario. It also feels pretty spot on to me though.

it also feeds into your earlier point about how funky producers who had a super-distinctive game back in the day have struggled in this new environment relative to lesser lights. There's a danger in articulating a particular vibe too clearly that the wind will change and you'll be stuck.

check d blog or not i dgaf

londonniggatimeline.tumblr.com

jus readin these posts shrivel d balls

salutations

Ah, Shiba San's headlining the MoS Audio Rehab night I see ;)

jus readin these posts shrivel d balls

salutations

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luckily nothing gives me a stiffer road man boner than some powerblogging so thnx

have a complimentary suck your mum on the house

https://packlondon.com/News/NewsDetail/2899

doesnt please me to say it but more time i've listen to radford's show recently it sounds like it could be anything, subsoul deep house or whatever

i def understand supporting audio rehab as a flagship breakthrough success story (and obv radford is fully entitled to look for validation and security) but tbh trillz i'm struggling to figure out how that fits with ur hardline emphasizing the grimy eastside recs and strange static fucked up mutant techno bits and shutting people down saying bait house tunes arent deep tech even tho all the djs play them

bait house tunes which to be clear i do know arent straight up deep tech per se (i had a scolding post upthread too if u bovd reading that) but for me deep tech is as much about what the scene decides to play as what it produces itself and to claim otherwise is nuts

aite son lemme ask u a question n shut u the fuck up in the process real quick

frankie knuckles (house) playing at no mountain high (disco) // karl tuff jam (ukg) playing masters at work (house) // dj unique (grime) playing midnight request line (dubstep) // mark radford (deeptech) playing hot creations (deep house)

r u so stupid as u cant see the connections in djs playing the genre which founded, influenced or has a direct narrative in its existence? you think that minimizes what theyre doing or nah?

these blogs/websites cudnt care a less about the success story until they cudnt ignore it any more so u think radford is gonna jump on them with a 100% audio rehab plus recordings playlist or play the game with abit of give an take

finally u think i dont listen to house respect its history or bump certain house djs more than certain deep tech djs, ur way of listening/processing music is essentially flawed but u aint the only one on here so take some comfort in that

"bait house tunes which to be clear i do know arent straight up deep tech per se (i had a scolding post upthread too if u bovd reading that) but for me deep tech is as much about what the scene decides to play as what it produces itself and to claim otherwise is nuts"

theres a difference between me saying them tunes are not deep tech and me saying them tunes dont get played wtf r u talking about, if u cant see the need to distinguish between the two when a) the lines r muddied enough as it is when the unique london stuff goes under the super generic name of 'deep tech' b) the producers making the tunes im saying arent deep tech i.e. THE WIDER HOUSE SCENE (for the most part) have no idea deep tech exists and c) you still cant see what im getting at with that dj analogy

then u a fool, anyway i broke down your argument like wenger did alexis sanchez so im outta here unless its to critique/co-sign/smh other peoples posts

sho

lol wow rage issues

major crossed wires here, not only do i agree with all of that but i have been posting to that effect all throughout this thread, honestly baffed how u can't see that

the only diff i've been having with u is that while now in these last 2 posts ur using all these little modifiers like 'minimise' and 'distinguish' before that it was all hardline shutdowns that imo werent a fair reflection of the sometimes misleading 'muddle' u and i both agree exists with this music. like saying that massien's 'contrived' is obviously implicitly calling it tryhard fake, come off it with the oh all i meant was it's fine just not my cup of tea afterwards

"finally u think i dont listen to house respect its history or bump certain house djs" i didnt say none of this, projecting hard

and "ur way of listening/processing music", come again??? i am not jimithexploder trust me

no rage issues im calm

on massien boom right after i said that contrived shit i dropped a fire hugo set n then another, but i do think that badman tune he's got is tryhard fake u 100 percent right, plus the fact that all the jimitheexploder type guys flock to him while putting down ninety percent of the stuff yeah it draws my ire even though yes talent wise he is on the top percentile, he's hard and his shit aint FACT bait at all but if someones gonna end up there uno it's gonna be him.

n yo if you know about dissensus ion even know why we having this convo, if you've read that thread you know ive said the same type of stuff im saying now n upthread a million times in various levels of politeness, political correction n uno i dont backtrack. not one instance. ye i might drop 'hardline shutdowns' sometimes but its long for writing disclaimers after everything.

anyway seems like u agree with me (ur words) so sn.

good game well played btw

i know u think ur slick with comments like

"seasoned fans will recognise of course that yes i am simultaneously using both realness and popist sticks to beat everyone itt with"

im a fan of them tekkers as well

"feel really bad for trilliam that all the major deep tech players seem to keep falling for these popular falsehoods rather than pursuing the one true path of rustic artisanal and definitely not contrived ruff sqwad 2002 playstation beats"

u get my angle wrong then i try correct u n im projecting? cool

What do you think of strange static's rep in this regard trilliam, they seem to be getting similar jimi-style "oh now this is the exciting deep tech I was waiting for!" reactions from those quarters.

As I was saying above I find it a bit odd that that momentum is building around Massien since it applies to so few of his tunes really (though I don't disagree it's happening).

Would be more interested in a secret history of deep tech "future beats" anyway, there a lot of fitting tunes that i haven't seen people talk about (maybe I'm just missing the convos) e.g.

https://soundcloud.com/topshelfmaterial/limitless-retrosynths-firecracker

Though actually Top Shelf is HM's label isn't it? Maybe that's a bad example.

"feel really bad for trilliam that all the major deep tech players seem to keep falling for these popular falsehoods rather than pursuing the one true path of rustic artisanal and definitely not contrived ruff sqwad 2002 playstation beats"

u get my angle wrong then i try correct u n im projecting? cool

― joeyshoshoshabadoo, Saturday, 31 January 2015 17:07 Bookmark

lol yeah alright i'll cop, i did put too much whip on that and i know it - but for rly real i don't think it's so unfair to reckon another person might have come along and sincerely got that impression, and to me at least that's a frustrating prospect in terms of spreading the gospel or harshing a well-meaning buzz

point stands that if someone (not saying u any more i stress) was to claim that this stuff is ideologically solely grimey or solely this that or the other then that would be a strained pretence. like with funky with diff people forcing it saying oh it's bongo jam oh it's devine collective oh it's cooly g - all those options get the yeah but nah cos the reality (clear to anyone that listened with an open mind) was that it was various emphases coming in and out of focus. which is when ppl get vex cos u think ur making it up as u go just to fuck with them hence the 2 sticks haha sigh

(this stuff doesnt quite work like funky tho either, the tunes arent made to talk to each other in the same way but idk how to express this clearly yet)

(this stuff doesnt quite work like funky tho either, the tunes arent made to talk to each other in the same way but idk how to express this clearly yet)

― r|t|c, Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:29 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's weird b/c with funky the tunes "talking to each other" was both literally in terms of the sonic overlay and the importance of transitions in the mix and also more broadly about the importance of the spectrum aesthetic, the way diva tunes and hard tunes could (by dint of the importance of the transitioning) offer up commentary on the scene itself.

In deep tech I get excited when I start to hear a familiar riff from a tune I love filtering into the mix, but the excitement is rarely due to the frission between the track being mixed out and the track being mixed in. And at the more broad level the spectrum effect (which yeah I was over-emphasising above) is a brute fact but not a noble imperative - a heads-down consistent set is often the smarter way to go than jumping all over the place.

I wonder how much that "talking to each other" effect is really a direct consequence extrapolated out from a starting point of syncopated grooves and the way that influences mixing styles - the DJ styles that feel more syncopated (Jack N Danny, Aaron Vybe) also feel more like funky in that way, the transitions feel more important than they do elsewhere (conversely the literally "deep" sets can be as fun or as revelatory in different ways of course).

wait tim are u using inverted commas future beats to suggest tunes with the same bourgeois factmag perception of strange static etc or just ones that are actually cutting edgy? cos if the latter haha plz rephrase i beg u

wrt "missing the convos" i was thinking the same to some extent when i was reading trilliam's post about s.e.f and switched on records roster, like the names are familiar and the tunes are hype but i try and hear as many mixes as possible and they're not rly showcased like that. feels like we're starting to talk about a double inception underground to the underground now

wait tim are u using inverted commas future beats to suggest tunes with the same bourgeois factmag perception of strange static etc or just ones that are actually cutting edgy? cos if the latter haha plz rephrase i beg u

Both actually. I think the problem is that the tunes that try to be cutting edgy (even with the best of intentions) most of the time run the risk of lapsing into factmag territory anyway. Or perhaps rather they retrospectively take on that quality once the factmag discourse catches up with them e.g. I'd be surprised if "badman" was contrived at the point of creation but it starts to seem that way by nature of how it's received.

When I ask for a "secret history" I mean it less in the sense of "these are the tunes we should be talking about" and more in the sense of "what tunes do people think fit that narrative but factmag is too lazy to know about yet."

Which might yield some tunes that are actually cutting edgy and some tunes that are contrived.

Goes without saying that it's not remotely a useful guide to "what's really good" in the broad sense.

The examples I'd give from funky - cooly g and roska are too obvious maybe - are stuff like "Different Lekstrix" which was a tune I adored from inception but you also know that give it 2 years and it'll have taken on a sad afterlife as a decontextualised Numbers-fans jam.

Real heads know that the secret apotheosis of funky's actual-no-air-quotes tru kult experimentalist vanguard was "Get Off The Wall (Delio D'Cruz Remix)" but I'm not confident that I could spot deep tech equivalents so easily.

"What do you think of strange static's rep in this regard trilliam, they seem to be getting similar jimi-style "oh now this is the exciting deep tech I was waiting for!" reactions from those quarters."

it's not surprising they getting more critical reception because everyones infatuated with this forward thinking/future sounds vibe. im a fan of strange static and they're pushing the boat out a bit more than their peers in the innovation stakes. faster tempos hectic mixing more kind of organised noise. their sound is moving away from the deep tech sound which is only a few poles away (variant) of the popular house sound and if people follow them i wouldn't complain at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIhjUcI4nDU

deep banger works well with your Nasty Crew --> "Gabryelle" --> ??? continuum tim f

https://soundcloud.com/audio-rehab-london/lo-slung-dvinci-playtime-productions-remix-preview

ahh i hadnt realised this had also finally come out on the audio rehab remix ep

pretty sure this was the first ever tune i heard that really caught my imagination with this stuff

https://soundcloud.com/k-master-1/k-master-usd-fm-radioshow-27th-jan-2015mp3

liking k master's shows a lot recently. think he nicely articulates a lesser-heard position in between all the poles we've mentioned, bit of futuristic but just headz-down warehousey too

funny moment when he plays a mr solo tune and then announces that the next one's by RAZZLER MAN (does anyone else remember him? - tribal tech end of funky days 2010/11 guy along the lines of carnao and lr groove). literally just like listening to smoove kriminal or weeksy on deja again

https://soundcloud.com/pathogen-beats/strictly-underground-house-december-edition-mixed-for-wwwlocateyourshootcom

this set by pathogen though, pree the tune at 39:00, the gliding synths, the vocals, some perfect mutant grime house

― joeyshoshoshabadoo, Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:27 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

looooove this set

https://soundcloud.com/k-master-1/k-master-usd-fm-radioshow-27th-jan-2015mp3

liking k master's shows a lot recently. think he nicely articulates a lesser-heard position in between all the poles we've mentioned, bit of futuristic but just headz-down warehousey too

funny moment when he plays a mr solo tune and then announces that the next one's by RAZZLER MAN (does anyone else remember him? - tribal tech end of funky days 2010/11 guy along the lines of carnao and lr groove). literally just like listening to smoove kriminal or weeksy on deja again

was feeling that set still

losing my shit @ some of the tracks on this soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/studio37music

ya this is interesting

was just thinking about that d'vinci/playtime remix i mentioned wondering if a sense of that kinda dubby space could come back a bit, this stuff sounds like a possible answer

gonna listen to some of their modefm podcasts now.... never realised just how many guys mode actually had on btw! http://www.modefm.com/timetable/

http://blissout.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/two-thousand-and-fourteen-part-two.html

right or wrong a hunch/bias as it may prove to be it did seem kinda odd that grimey simey's quite pointed deep tech tune selection here went unremarked

not necessarily an encouraging sign obv

also like did these brehs really have to call themselves things like pathogen beats and xylon genesis, i meannnnnn....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSMcuOoVgMw

just to even up the scores i listened to the audiowhore4 promo mix today and enjoyed this one :]

haven't properly tried to get into this stuff yet - ie have not listened to a single MIX - but i've enjoyed various bits i've heard through various channels and am feeling ready and willing to take the plunge, so i'm gonna check out that oft mentioned Jack & Danny set and... what else is essential? gimme some homework please ;)

https://instagram.com/p/zYY6dAx1QS

can i replace every time i've tried to explain this stuff itt with this instead plz thnx

https://soundcloud.com/imagemk/february-2015-mix

fave mix i've heard in a bit. very nasty very acid very new wave very good

gimme some homework please ;)

Some essentials imo:

Warehouse LDN Presents Frequency 13-09-2014 Promo CD Mixed by Nightshift - https://soundcloud.com/djlancemorgan/warehouse-ldn-presents-2
Calle Lebraun - 100K Promo MiX - https://soundcloud.com/callelebraun/calle-lebraun-100k-mix
Aaron Vybe - Destruction Mix - https://soundcloud.com/aaronvybe/aaron-vybe-destruction-mix
Definiton Audio Presents Various Audio Volume 1 - https://pro.beatport.com/release/definition-audio-presents-various-audio-vol-1/1403504
Audio Rehab Vol 1 - https://pro.beatport.com/release/audio-rehab-vol-1/1294510