"virginity" poll moved to ILTMI?

I'm not really protesting. I'm just curious to know why this thread was moved. I decided to start it after seeing the "How many sexual parners..." and the "Have you paid for sex?" threads in ILE, and thought it was an interesting related question... is there anything more personal offensive or offensive about it? Thanks.

i didn't move it, but i concur with whoever moved it as being more ILTMI appropriate. it's got nothing really to do with offensiveness that i can see.

speaking for myself only i'm finding this latest trend of polls revolting on a personal level but that's neither here nor there from a modding POV

OK, I agree, but then why are the other two threads I mention appropriate for ILE?

i didn't move it either, but i support the move. iltmi was created for topics such as these. i'd be happy to move the others as well if consistency is what you crave.

I don't care, I was just wondering if there was something more inappropriate about this one? Well I do care, I was genuinely interested in the POLL results and I don't think many people are gonna vote now, but no big deal really...

it's like training a dog. once they realize their food dish has been moved to another place, they will adapt. but i believe that board was created by user request so that polls/threads of this nature could have a home where tmi could be discussed willy nilly, so why not move them to an appropriate board?

and furthermore, as abbott mentioned last night, some people don't want this sort of thread on their site new answers at work, so if they choose to leave iltmi off their site new answers, it helps to put this kind of thread there.

OK, makes sense to me too. I was unaware of the existence of ILTMI until today, that's why I decided to post it on ILE.

we all know ilx is 80% virgins, no poll necessary

avuenjo is a saucy one!

they seem to have confused us with something awful

I don't really think every sex-related thread should be automatically moved to ILTMI, otherwise it would be flooded by them. ILE had a lot of sex threads in the past, and I haven't seen that many complaints about them, I'm sure most folks are perfectly fine with them. I can't imagine a relatively innocent thread like "How many sex partners you've had?" really offending anyone on ILE, as far as I know no there's no TMI content in that thread. I think only threads that might be considered too icky or controversial should be moved to ILTMI, otherwise keep it as it is.

then what should ILTMI be used for then?

whilst your opinion is always fascinating tuomas, mods will continue using their discretion to make decisions on a case-by-case basis

xpost

For threads with Too Much Information, obviously. For example, "Have you tasted yourself?" = a subject that could be considered icky by many folks, so you should post that to ILTMI (as Abbott did). "How many sex partners have yo had?" = not really an icky question, no reason why it shouldn't be on ILE if that's where it was posted.

(x-post)

whilst your opinion is always fascinating tuomas, mods will continue using their discretion to make decisions on a case-by-case basis

Sure, but do the mods think all sex-related threads should be moved to ILTMI? Because I don't really see much TMI content in the virginity and sex partners threads.

http://www.phuckpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/i_want_you_to_shut_the_fuck_up.jpg

I think moving it to the TMI board would give people more license to discuss some of these questions more frankly. I guess the issue is if people perceive the TMI board as having some sort of stigma, which I don't.

ILTMI has VD - don't post there

Sarahel, I think those polls were started on ILE because the poll starters wanted to get a comprehensive number of votes. A lot more people read ILE than ILTMI.

yeah, that makes sense ... I use "site new answers" I didn't think of it that way.

uh the "how many ppl have you had sex w poll" got 155 votes

Yes, and it was on ILE. It wasn't moved to ILTMI until after the results had come in.

\(o_O)/

I Love Everything = EVERYTHING, not just what's in the bible.

It does seem really weird that the new crop of moderators seems to think that "I love everything" = "I love everything EXCEPT topics of a sexual nature".

some people don't want this sort of thread on their site new answers at work

best argument, and it's still not very good. i reckon that

# LORD OF THE RINGS poll (film version) [Started by "he said...all things passantino the night" (omar little) in July 2009, last updated 2 minutes ago by the shitbirdification of america's youth (cankles)] 107 new answers POLL closes: August 07 (in 1 week)
# "My client can kick a ball into a skip from quite far away" - English football off-season and transfer speculation thread 2009 [Started by Tits Bramble (Matt DC) in June 2009, last updated 3 minutes ago by Bobkate Goldtwat (darraghmac)] 265 new answers
# stuff white people like [Started by Tracer Hand in February 2008, last updated 9 minutes ago by the shitbirdification of america's youth (cankles)] 20 new answers
# What else could go wrong for David Cameron in the next 6 months? [Started by Dead Cat Bounce (Ed) in October 2008, last updated 16 minutes ago by joe] 3 new answers
# LOL this f***ing EXCELSIOR for christs sake [Started by HIS VAGINA IS MAKING HIM CRAVE SALAD. (HI DERE) in June 2009, last updated 18 minutes ago by General Pubic (Noodle Vague)] 31 new answers
# quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread [Started by Tracer Hand in May 2009, last updated 21 minutes ago by James Mitchell] 176 new answers

is not gonna look too impressive to anyone's boss.

Yeah, repeated HIS VAGINA IS MAKING HIM CRAVE SALAD. (HI DERE) all over new answers doesn't bode well for anyone's work viewing experience.

hey guys some people just don't like seeing you weirdos talk about your sex lives

those threads make me uncomfortable because i am repressed, and there is a board on which they are explicitly on topic.

pretty much the only board which people ignore and use ILE instead is ILF, and that's just because the film crew are sociopaths. Nothing wrong with ILTMI.

actually there is little cricket discussion on ILC but that is because ILC has actually become better than cricket o_O

After reading that statement, I'm going to ban you permanently from The Cape.

...in some ways

when it comes to pwning australians, cricket does a far better job than I or any ILC mod possibly could

That does it. You're banned for life. You're finished, Englander.

It does seem really weird that the new crop of moderators seems to think that "I love everything" = "I love everything EXCEPT topics of a sexual nature".

― Masonic Boom, Friday, July 24, 2009 12:51 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this might have more to do with your recent creation of a board for topics of a sexual nature rather than the new crop of moderators.

hey guys some people just don't like seeing you weirdos talk about your sex lives

If there are threads called "At what age did you lose your virginity?" or "How many sex partners have you had?", you should probably know sort of discussion they contain, so don't click on them. The argument that these threads make people uncomfortable is pretty weird, because no one's forcing anyone to read them. Personally, I don't much care for sports, but I still don't think all sports thread should be banished to a special "I Love Sports" board. I think it's good that ILE has a wide variety of different thread topics at any time.

ILX is on tenterhooks...how long before KBP bans the other 4 people who post to his board? And then prances about, king of the castle style, posting about Adelaide's great sporting teams?

The team I support in Aussie Rules is based in Melbourne, so you are WAY OFF.

People should probably be able to put their icky threads where they like, for the most part, but it's not exactly surprising that we get a run on "lol sex" polls and somebody decides to put them in the special cupboard that was built for them.

this might have more to do with your recent creation of a board for topics of a sexual nature rather than the new crop of moderators.

The board is not called "I Love Sex" but "I Love TMI". It was supposed to be a board for the sort of discussion that many people consider too icky/graphic/personal, not a board for all sex-related threads, no matter how innocent/nonpersonal/nongraphic they are.

Just to make it clear, I have nothing against the mods, and so far there's only been a handful of thread relocations. I'm merely hoping this doesn't become a new policy that covers all sex-related threads.

Well, remember to bump that Phil Hughes thread I started with an appropriate RIP jpg. Because I can't do that for you now.

xp, i think a lot of people consider sex-related threads too icky/graphic/personal. do you see?

You know what Australia needs to do? Take Phil Hughes out, put David Warner in the TEST side. That'll get your kids back to your Test cricket, even more than Roy and buckets of KFC ever could. (xpost)

Well, at the moment there's a thread called "Jeremiah Birthday Sex" in ILM, should that be moved to ILTMI too because it has the word "sex"?

I would assume that people who find all sex threads icky/graphic/personal are wise enough not to read them.

(x-post)

i don't care.

I'm loving this interlocked discussion. I think Australia should put more graphic sex in their Test team as well, would really get the young folks watching, screw yer David Warner or yer Cameron "I used to bowl" White

Really don't want to see Ponting's pasty hobbit-arse heaving up and down in the middle of Edgbaston kthx

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bgr/lowres/bgrn677l.jpg

"So, Peter, when did you lose your virginity?"

*awkward silence*

tbh all of these sex poll threads are retarded but luckily there are multiple boards on ilx where you can be retarded in one capacity or another. i was going to say i can't believe people are actually discussing whether tmi topics belong on the tmi board, but fuck i'll believe anything these days when it comes to some posters being dense.

Sorry if I missed something, but at what point did simply asking the AGE at which people lost their virginity become "TMI"?

It wasn't a request for details or anything graphic, it was simply asking the age. A reasonable stastic.

ILX is starting to resemble this kind of Mary Whitehouse hell of a 4th grade catholic school classroom where simply mentioning sex in any way results in your being told to go and stand in the corner.

Yes, I do find that really weird.

Now would be the best time for a disgusting graphic jpeg if anybody fancies taking a temp ban for the team.

Personally, I don't much care for sports, but I still don't think all sports thread should be banished to a special "I Love Sports" board.

mods please create I Love Sports board and move this thread there

I *Really* Love Sports If You Get What I Mean

im sure its new ilx mods, headed up by notorious prude dan perry, who are insistent on expunging all sex-related content from ile

The Missionary Position and An empty cigar tube filled with wasps makes a good vibrator. are two of the funniest threads in ILE history. I don't want to post to an ILE without gross-out sex threads.

those threads would have been just as funny and just as memorable if they'd been on TMI vs ILE, though

erm "The Missionary Position" made me far more aroused than amused :-/

can a mod please move this thread to ILTMI?

and restrict LJ to posting on ILTMI?

and destroy ILTMI?

It does seem really weird that the new crop of moderators seems to think that "I love everything" = "I love everything EXCEPT topics of a sexual nature".

― Masonic Boom, Friday, July 24, 2009 11:51 AM (3 hours ago)

heyo stfu

Helpful!

I think there were some crossed lines of communication on TMI threads that (hopefully) have been sorted out.

hose threads would have been just as funny and just as memorable if they'd been on TMI vs ILE, though

I very much doubt it - most sub-boards, including ILTMI, have a fraction of the number of readers and participants of ILE.

i think a lot (most) people use site new answers now, though

I do -- with ILTMI turned off!

Yeah, even if many people use Site New Answers, I'm not sure how many include ILTMI among the subboards that appear on the new answers page.

oh no! those unenlightened folks may miss another boring-ass poll!

LOL. With exciting drama like this, how could you possible call them boring?

hahaha complainers will find ways to complain no matter what

Mods, please force TMI onto New Answers page with animated sundae.jpg jiggling at the top.

when the zing crew weren't allowed decide for everybody else which zings were too zingy, then it's consistent that the TMI crew aren't allowed to decide for everybody else what TMI is too TMI-y.

Guys guys I made it totally explicit, right after I did it, on the thread! Post in question:

Moved to ilTIM bcz of harbl & PP's comments and bcz 'sexually themed threads devolving into psychosexual meltdowns & character assaults' has been a thing lately (unfortunately); if this is a dumb overreaction I can move the classy talk of this exciting thredd back to ILE.

I said why, I offered to move it if it bugged people, what more do you want? Is this a purloined letter – you can't find the answer bcz it's in the most obvious place?

It made sense to me that it IF people thought it was an undue executive decision, that they'd reply to that post and be like 'uh Abbott geez put it back where it was you sillypants.' Or that's what I was thinking. Did not know until other mods pointed it out that this thread (this very one here) existed.

Sorry if I rankled anyone.

i wasn't really bothered by the thread being on ILE other than being sort of annoyed at people starting 10,000 non-interesting polls about sex, but i don't have to read them, i know. on the other hand i think you made the right decision. shows up in my SNA anyway.

tbh i just wanted to see what would happen if another sex thread got moved to TMI. psychosexual meltdowns and character assaults are great fun

Abbott, I read your explanation and it's perfectly fine, but since several other sex-related threads were moved from ILE to ILTMI within the last few days, it seemed like there's a new mod policy going on, and that's what we're discussing here. No way am I accusing you or any other specific mod, just asking if there indeed is a new policy, and whether such a policy would make in sense. But based on Dan's comment upthread there doesn't seem to be any policy and sex threads can still be posted to ILE, or am I wrong?

oh you're wrong

believe me

tuomas it's not like we're prudes and don't want to read threads about how many times people have tasted their own masturbation, it's just that we don't want to read them on ILE, or anywhere else. thanks.

i mean who cares where you post your threads about sex and liquids, just post them on i love tmi, that's why you have that ENTIRE board, right?

could it be it's not the sexual content per se but that the threads/questions are just kind of......TMI. like stuff that's not particularly substantive. xp.

xp but then ppl won't get to exercise a weird sense of entitlement where they want their stupid threads to be seen by the maximum possible number of posters!

the only people who won't see it are people who purposely take TMI out of site new answers, who probably wouldn't vote in the poll to begin with, even if it was on ILE. consider that.

This is much ado about nothing.

There is no specific policy regarding sex threads and where they "belong". Everyone's threshold for TMI is different so there will always be argument about whether a thread should have been started there or or not if it is the least bit personal/controversial. I think Abbott's reasoning is rational; it doesn't mark a new moderation policy or a new trend in moderator action.

If people are okay with it, I'd like to lock this thread now; it seems to be moving rapidly towards circular repetition of the same points counterpointed with sniping and I would like to not have that.

(okay so maybe I'm too late on the sniping front)

Or, since the moved threads were polls, maybe they were just interested in getting a more general result and more general opinions? People who read ILTMI are a smaller and probably kinda skewed group, so to it would make perfect sense to post a poll to ILE if you want a less skewed result.

(xxx-post)

Yeah, go ahead and lock the thread, doesn't look like there's anything new to add.

I'm a little uneasy with the fact that a lot of arguments against this (or other) sex-related threads being on ILE seem to be a long the lines of "we don't want any more boring sex-related polls". Surely this is beside the point, and I don't see the logic behind supporting to move a thread from ILE to ILTMI because it's boring. Also "boring" to whom (I obviously don't think it's boring since I started it).

probably kinda skewed group

You got that bit right! :D

Tuomas says it's okay to let this one fall off of the Site New Answers page.

since sunday:

# At what age did you lose your virginity? [Started by touch my bum / this is life (daavid) in July 2009, last updated 55 minutes ago by Bobkate Goldtwat (darraghmac)] 33 new answers POLL closes: July 30 (in 5 days)
# how many people have you had sex with? [Started by Zeno in July 2009, last updated 13 hours ago by actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel)] 153 new answers POLL results
# have you ever paid for sex? [Started by Zeno in July 2009, last updated Yesterday by la belle dame sans serif (c sharp major)] 30 new answers POLL closes: July 30 (in 5 days)
# TMI Poll I: Have you ever tasted yourself? [Started by "lol" as frivolity (Stevie D) in July 2009, last updated Yesterday by Beanbag the Gardener (WmC)] 41 new answers POLL closes: July 28 (in 3 days)
# what do you tend to prefer masturbating over? [Started by titchy (titchyschneiderMk2) in July 2009, last updated 5 days ago by titchy (titchyschneiderMk2)] POLL closes: July 30 (in 5 days)

can you comprehend that a lot of us might find this to be a bit much?

Too much what?

ok nevermind

I think the main issue here is the fact the the thread starter didn't ask for the thread to be moved. I think there's mitigating circumstances in the fact that the poll was moved after the results came in, so it wasn't as if the audience was limited during the voting period.

In general, we avoid moving threads unless the creator asks for them to be moved. There are times when mods will use their discretion to move a thread to a board where it makes more "sense"; this isn't a frequent occurrence and shouldn't be expected every time a thread pops up in an unexpected location, but it may happen from time to time. The timing around this, right after a series of contentious poster/moderator interactions over threads of a similar nature, is what is causing consternation here. We don't intend to nanny every thread onto an appropriate sub-board.

I'm not going to lock the thread since people are still talking but from a mod standpoint I think we're set with this issue.

too much information

Yeah, but there's been probably something like 400 different threads on ILE new answers since Sunday, so the 4 threads (the "tasted yourself" thread was never on ILE) are maybe 1% of all threads.

(x-post to Destroyer)

the idea that the 'thread starter' needs to ask for them to be moved is a bit moot in this situation, imo. it's more an issue of someone not realizing it should have gone on a different board and kind mods stepping in to show them the way.

I want you ...show me the way

tbqh i find the "we just want the most people to vote so we can get a better sample" position a bit disingenuous since, y'know, the results of an anonymous internet poll are useful for exactly nothing.

the 4 threads listed are all the sex related polls, i think there were more non poll ones as well (including the "hookers" one i locked)

I think there's mitigating circumstances in the fact that the poll was moved after the results came in, so it wasn't as if the audience was limited during the voting period.

― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, July 24, 2009 7:52 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Er, no, actually the thread was moved almost immediately after I started it, poll ends in 4 days.

But I don't really care that much, it is still getting quite a few replies in ILTMI and that's what I wanted, and I also think Abbot's point makes sense.

Okay I'm stupid then, I thought it had ended! Idiot Dan.

I remember after the 2004 and 2008 American presidential elections every other thread on ILE was about the election. I'm sure that was kinda irritating to many non-American posters, but does that mean they should've been moved to a "I Love Elections" board?

(x-post to Jjjusten)

bush is a sexual term

yes

tuomas, it's not a tomato tomahhhto thing, here. that's like saying the bbc shouldn't talk about american elections because the anchors also don't talk about tasting their own semen on air.

I mean, sometimes ILE simply goes throught phrases were people post similarly-themed threads inspired by previous threads. Usually these sort of waves wane off after a few days, so I don't think they require any special modding, unless they turn into trolling.

(xxx-post)

I mean, sometimes this one poster simply goes throught phrases were he post similarly-themed posts inspired by his previous posts. Usually these sort of waves wane off never, so I think he requires special modding, as he is trolling.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

uh tuomas xpost to me why? i think you are assuming ive been moving these threads - i havent.

john that hookers thread was hilarious

tuomas in willfully oblivious shocker

john lee hooker--awesome dude

we were on track for a whole day of prostitution-themed parody threads

uh tuomas xpost to me why? i think you are assuming ive been moving these threads - i havent.

I was just responding to your comment upthread that there were other sex-related threads on ILE new answers besides the polls, I didn't think you moved the threads or anything.

i am merely an impartial source of information, like the internet

Okay, sorry.

Mods would probably be more likely to move threads about American politics to an I Love Elections/I Love Politics board if one existed. Since one doesn't exist, there isn't any point to the hypothetical question.

I don't know why this is generating so much conversation considering the poster who created the thread and the moderator who moved it have both posted stating that they see eye to eye on what happened.

i know why

when the zing crew weren't allowed decide for everybody else which zings were too zingy, then it's consistent that the TMI crew aren't allowed to decide for everybody else what TMI is too TMI-y.

― Bobkate Goldtwat (darraghmac), Friday, July 24, 2009 2:54 PM (1 hour ago)

great post

those threads make me uncomfortable because i am repressed, and there is a board on which they are explicitly on topic.

pretty much the only board which people ignore and use ILE instead is ILF, and that's just because the film crew are sociopaths. Nothing wrong with ILTMI.

― caek, Friday, July 24, 2009 1:09 PM (Yesterday)

this is so tru, <3 u film challopers tho

I don't really see much TMI content in the virginity and sex partners threads.

― Tuomas, Friday, July 24, 2009 4:03 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, you're probably the last dude we'd use as the scale here.

worst fucking board. make it hidden invite-only already u embarrassing loosers

You Have Been Yellow Carded By a Moderator: no nastiness on TMI
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http://orangejuiceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/hypocrisy-meter-03-21-07.png

Be happy you didn't get temp-banned.

http://graphics.ink19.com/issues/august1999/covers/suicidal_tendencies.jpeg

Hope you're happy that that was your last ILTMI post.

make it hidden invite-only already

looks like it wasnt his last tmi post

Keep it up and you'll lose IMP! access as well.

Why? No one's forcing anyone to read the threads, and since they're on board called "I Love TMI", their content should come as no shock to anyone.

(x-post to Dr. Phil)

Tumoas, he's being a dick for absolutely no reason. He is trolling for responses. Stop encouraging him.

Ok. Thanks for banning him from ILTMI.

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