"Don’t anybody start talking about morals, because we don’t have any in football" - the rolling Scottish football thread, season 2014/15

We don't have any morals in football anyway.

Anyway, if this random message board dude is right, looks like we're still in it. Mon the coefficient! We're getting good at these 3-0 wins (aiui, we get a 3-0 win for last night's game, putting us through on away goals).

http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=13088777&t=9131505

haha Celtic officially back in

LOL

Well done to Callum McGregor with the crucial away goal.

fuck uefa man, this is some shameful shit

otoh prescient thread title tbf

If this would've happened to Barca or Arsenal, I'm quite sure they'd just fine the team or something. Feel bad for Legia. Anyway, wb Celtic.

Barca or Arsenal wouldn't be stupid enough to field a suspended player in the first place.

Henning Berg has a lot of explaining to do. This is a shameful decision in the light of the precedents though. Two minutes of play in a 6-1 aggregate win.

It looks like they thought he had served the three match ban already, the sticking point seems to be that he wasn't registered for the squad in two of the games (because of the suspension) and so wasn't officially serving a ban for them.

Otoh Celtic will get the honour of being the first club to be comedically punted out of the CL twice in one season.

Yep - Legia could easily have won that tie 10-1. I'd expect our next opponents to be better than them.

First time since Rangers went bust that it's been so easy to play Goodguy/Wank at work.

Episode has taught me the word "walkowerem", though.

we'll walkowerem all!

Someone at Legia is totally getting their baws toed over this.

Still, at least we'll make a bit more money off the extra gubbing - hopefully enough to buy Ronny a one-way ticket back to Stromsgodset :)

btw, had Legia not missed either of the two penalties in the first leg, they'd still be in. The result of the first leg still stood, it was just the second leg, the one that they fielded the ineligible player in, that was changed. The official aggregate result is now 4-4 with Celtic going through on away goals, following the Legia 2 - 0 Celtic being changed to Legia 0 - 3 Celtic. It just so happens that the 3-0 default result made a difference - one goal more for Legia at any stage and it wouldn't have done.

that's a fucking repulsive decision

brought on in good faith for two minutes, an honest error? if it was the other way around pfunkboy would probably go postal

ailsa, your evident glee is completely unbecoming here, hope celtic lose every game 7-0

What if Celtic got booted out? I very much doubt that.(xp)

xp that's only two games tbf

If this would've happened to Barca or Arsenal, I'm quite sure they'd just fine the team or something. Feel bad for Legia. Anyway, wb Celtic.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 8 August 2014 10:27 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The rules are explicit re fielding a suspended player - you forfeit the game 3-0.

It's a shame for Legia though - as I said they could have won even more comfortably. They missed two penalties in the 4-1 win in the first leg - looking like a really bad decision to let the misser step up again.

What are you getting your knickers in a twist for? Break the rules, you're out.

xp

And one that they've made before

http://www.uefa.org/disciplinary/news/newsid=1845491.html

xposts

specious technicalities are the best kind of technicalities tbf

They missed two penalties in the 4-1 win in the first leg - looking like a really bad decision to let the misser step up again.

― a curious shade of pale (onimo), Friday, August 8, 2014 9:59 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is one of the most ridiculous 'they deserved it and here's why' posts in the history of argument

However, in 2010, Uefa fined Debrecen £15,000 but rejected a protest from opponents Litex Lovech, who wanted the Hungarian side kicked out of the tournament for fielding an ineligible player.

Debrecen argued that they fielded Peter Mate in good faith as a substitute in Bulgaria when they were leading 4-1 on aggregate.

Uefa ruled that Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour".

ps what evident glee? I want the manager sacked, and I've pointed out that Legia were a better penalty taker away from this not even making a difference to them. Joyful stuff, oh yes.

re Debrecen, there's a difference between "ineligible" and "suspended"

It's sad and also pretty fucking dumb but it's plainly in the rules, so yes Legia did deserve it. "Good faith" and "honest mistakes" don't mean shit. And yes the same should happen if it's Real Madrid doing it.

(xpost - it's the Debrecen decision that was bullshit)

Imago, I'm glad you can read between the lines of people pointing out that Legia could still have gone through to see us going "nah nah nah-nah nah" and thumbing our noses at them for not managing to do so. I don't see any evidence that anyone's saying they DESERVED it. Rules be rules. Legia cocked it up, and got caught out. One more goal across 120 minutes of football against one of the most inept Celtic sides I've seen in years would have meant it making no difference to the result.

Anyway, we are rewarded with a gubbing from Maribor.

I'd suggest fielding Efe Ambrose and keeping it down to a three-goal deficit, tbh.

this is one of the most ridiculous 'they deserved it and here's why' posts in the history of argument

I see you're selectively not quoting the "It's a shame for Legia" bit in the same fucking post in order to keep pointing your righteous indignation at the wrong place.
I didn't say they deserved it - I said they could have won even more comfortably. We were piss-poor and deserved to get stuffed.

'S okay I remember him doing this on a cricket thread when some player got banned for match fixing

suspended vs ineligible - the rules:

A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match

A match may be declared forfeit if a player who is ineligible participates in the match, as long as the opposing team files a protest

lol Amir is nearly eligible to return. it's been a stressful 4 years

Bartosz Bereszyński (born 12 July 1992) is a Polish international footballer who plays professionally for Legia Warsaw as a defender.

NK Maribor for Celtic. Lucky bastards.

Haha.

btw, I did post a link up there to a guy on a message board pointing out the relevant rules, precedents, red herrings (and ending by saying what a beamer it'd be if we did blag our way through on this). This decision isn't strange. it's covered in the fucking rules!

It's almost like some people enjoy getting a rise of trolling.

xpost

Anyway, we are rewarded with a gubbing from Maribor.

Another year, another set of Maribou Stork Nightmare puns.

We've got more chance of beating Haribo amirite

xpost EXACTLY. They keep sending them over here for that very reason.

former Rangers non-entity remains classy
http://www1.thesportbible.com/images/content/630w/53e4a45e829ed.jpg

He's really trying to work his way back, isn't he? He makes Nacho Novo looks like the Dalai bloody Lama.

Now I'm paranoid that everyone's for us.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/celtic-award-bullshit-goals-to-fictional-player-2014080889421

classy stuff from weiss there o_O

the hate inside, you take it with you

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bug4JaKCUAAQKEJ.jpg

This whole fiasco suggests that Norwegians don't even have the most basic of skills to manage a football club, they don't seem to know the fundamentals that a pub team manager could grasp .. and the same goes for Henning Berg.