Dido - c/d?

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no he gets vit c from the cider!!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

I think he def. needs to drink more cider then. Last time I saw him he looked like Gollum.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

he has the nose/chin snog action approaching fast too.

― chris (chris), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

Ewwww indie face implosion!

(Like the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion only greasier)

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

and whinier

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

She drives me bonkers with her utter blandness. I've had oatmeal and wheat germ with more kick. Boiled water has more flavor. She has absolutely NO personality, it's like she's making her name do all the work for her.
The only interesting thing about her is she had Angel in her last video, and I'm sure that wasn't her idea. What are her songs even about? Are they about anything? I can hum the tune for white flag but I'm fucked if I know what she's singing about.

― Catty (Catty), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

Well, basically she's finished with some d00d but now she wants back, but he seems to have a chick, or maybe is just like 'step off,' and she isn't backing down, I think.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

Mary's Gone to India is about her mate Mary going to India. She nicks Mary's boyfriend. Well, she alludes to anyway.

She also misses the opportunity of rhyming Mary with hairy. Oversight, I guess.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

How about scary?

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

Pessary?

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

The boyfriend is called Jim. From what I can see, purely for the purpose of this rhyme:

"Jim's in the garden, he looks like Bin Laden, but without the beard."

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

Mary's In India Lyrics

Danny is lonely cos Mary's in India now
She said she'd call but that was three weeks ago
She left all her things well, her books and her letters from him
And as the sun rises on Mary, it sets on him

Just dance, just drink and just see the things I probably never get a chance to see

Danny's not eating, he's drinking and sleeping in
I saw him last night at a party, he's definitely thin
He says he's happy, he looked pretty good but I think
That as the sun rises on Mary, it sets on him
Just dance, just drink and just see the things I probably never get the chance to say

Danny came over last night and I cooked for him
We talked about you Mary and how much we loved you still
He told me he's packed up your books and your letters and things
And as the sun sets on Mary, it's rising on him
And we danced and we drank and I've seen some things
you probably never got the chance to see
Don't worry, Mary cos I'm taking care of Danny
And he's taking care of me

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe it works better 'in context'. Like my g/f and I died laughing reading some Kate Bush lyrics yesterday, but we still dig the songs.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

Truely heartbreaking. Danny is so lonely.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

(I've been trying to add a Z axis, so we can add another variable but it just becomes unfathomable.)

http://ilxor.petfield.com/images/bland_graph_3d.gif

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

brilliant!

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

Ah but whither Beverly Knight? Or for that matter, Betty Boo?

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

Where is r&b/urban on this. Surely that should be one of the axes.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, Alicia Keys is so necesary here.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

Best clam down though, or all we'll end up with is some nifty cross-hatching with the words...ii ..ino..u.e vaguely visible

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

Ok, suggestions for the axes please.
Average age of target audience (as Steve put it: AOR to YOR)

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

X = number of appearances in Daily Telegraph

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

x= poison of choice, heroin on left axis to a cup of tea on right
y=likelihood of being played in a Dorothy Perkins changing

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

Ha, should be...

x= poison of choice; heroin on left axis to a cup of tea on right

y=likelihood of being played in a Dorothy Perkins changing room

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

These graphs are amazing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

z=likelihood of being in a Dorothy Perkins Changing room

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

curse you all, I've got white flag going round and round in my head, and I fear I'm humming snippets out loud in the office. Thank god we've got workmen in drilling so no-one can hear me.

― Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

Graph smarph. Back the original question for a moment. Let's agree, for the purposes of the argument, that Dido is indeed bland. I do find it really odd how people seem to get more wound up by bland things than by in your face irritating ones. How anyone could get angry about Dido is beyond my ken.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

The bitch ran over my cat.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

She stole my best girlie

(x-post)

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

Indeed. I have 'White Flag' in my head right now, not for the4 first time, and it really isn't that fuckin' bad, compared with other long-term stuck in my head songs (recently 'PIMP' and 'Shut Up', unfortunately for me).

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

The only way it makes sense to me is if you're some redfaced PASSION obsessive.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

beyond my ken.

Is it also beyond our Ken?

I have flipping Scissor Sisters and that godawful 'Somebody to Love' cover in my head now. From Saturday night watching crap pop videos. Aaaaaargh I can still see the stupid electric eels in the Scissor Sisters video.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

i was going to add the omitted line 'now Mary's got the shits after traipsing round Calcutta' but then i accidentally kicked the reset button on my PC with my right foot

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

'might have been the ghee they use instead of butter'

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

"As the soon rises, on Mary, she fouls her pants"

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

people who get angry about successful bland bands are just jealous. being "overrated" is such a crap way to judge anything. something mediocre that gets heralded as AMAZING is still better than something crap that is universally known as crap.

Unjustifiably criticising something as AWFUL when it's in fact just mediocre is no more accurate, and possibly more annoying than over-hyping something that isn't great.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 February 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

On Dido's album of the same name, ''White Flag'' is a strong song, but the lyric's elegant negotiation between guilt and surrender is neutered by the polite production. Timbaland's version turns the whine into a genuine ache. Isolated, Dido's voice is gorgeous, roughed-up but sweet: ''There will be no white flag above my door/I'm in love and always will be.'' Timbaland may have been hired simply to repackage Dido's music, but the song has been served. A man who has never studied an instrument is being paid many thousands of dollars to improve on the work of a busload of professional musicians. Pop opens many doors and this is one: a great record can knock any paradigm out of shape, if only for three minutes.

― Enribaland (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

WUH?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

According to SFJ's artickle in the NYT, Timbo is remixing 'White Flag'.

― Phenrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

"gorgeous", haha.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago) link

END TIMES

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

Sash gets lotsa love on ILM. I can't say that article has won me over. But I suppose NYT pays a bit better than VV, so hey...

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

haha i thought at first Enribaland said "a great record can knock any DIAPHRAGMS out of shape"!!

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

but only for 3 minutes

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

Further to the reference to Jo Whiley's changing taste in music, doesn't most peoples? Or do DJs owe it to their fans to keep playing the same old shit (yes, Lamacq, I'm talking about you)? Anyway, I always thought Whiley's music choice was pretty mainstream, except for her attempts to be into whatever the current NME/MM trend was (this generally lasted as long as the inkies said it was OK). Which is kind of indie mainstream I guess. Her current enthusiasm for the Darkness seems no stranger than her past enthusiasm for, say, Menswear.

Mind you, I don't like Missy Elliott, so I know jack shit about real music apparently.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

I heard 'White Flag' again this morning. I think the 'bland' analysis is inadequate: while the music is bland, the lyrical content isn't exactly; ver 'do is often alluding to non-bland type behaviour (in 'White Flag' she's left hella 'mess and destruction' and advises against living by 'the rules'; she claims that her life is 'for rent'; she wants to be 'a hunter' -- do you see?). But the music is all bland, yes. It's a dichotomy thang.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

Is there an easy definition of bland music. Ie more harmonics, clasical chord progressions, being in tune, not too loud. I wonder if you were to play Dido really loudly (the non-bland extreme being its loudness) if it would sound better.

I think White Flag was a triffic single, and Life For Rent speaks directly (perhaps a touch too cynically) to the late tewnties renting masses in London.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

N. is v OTM above.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

i've listened to some of the new Zero 7 album and it's likely to attract the same 'blandness' criticism as Dido's material, although i would point out that musically 'When It Falls' is somewhere between Dido and Air, leaning towards the latter in terms of sophisticated musical and melodic arrangements albeit with only sporadic flirtations with sonic psychedelia, surrealism and similar concepts but featuring a much more pedestrian approach to actual songwriting ala Dido.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

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