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This thread is tremendous!

I very strongly agree with all the people who have criticized the Cruiser, on this thread, articulating their disquiet at him. I am not just backing a consensus or being ... knee-jerk - no, I find the actual comments on the thread incredibly accurate, insightful; they describe the way I feel about the Cruiser but have never been able to name so well.

I like RJG's post: about the colons.

All the stuff about the Cruiser, in interviews, laughing, and smiling uneasily, and being unable to answer - is hilarious!

the cruisefox, Saturday, 14 August 2004 08:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, DAYS OF THUNDER: I saw the end of it, last night. I can hardly bring myself to express how mediocre it is, or was. It is so bad, the way that when the Cruiser has won a race, he kisses Kidman, once, then puts her down and runs off to his coach, and the end of the film is all about them.

Some people would say that this makes it queer, or gay, or homosocial, which is, OK, a different thing. It may be homosocial, but it's definitely not queer. It is annoying, to me, the way that peoplem, in general, think that straight men are queer when, in films, they hang about together. This distracts from the real problem of rampant heterosexuality, which (rather than homosexuality) is what submerges and demotes Kidman in this film, or other women in similar films.

I am pleased with that last thought - it is the best expression of a somewhat interesting idea that I have managed for a while, in my seemingly intellectually declining years.

the bellefox, Saturday, 14 August 2004 08:40 (nineteen years ago) link

the wheelchair race through the hospital is plain odd.

cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 14 August 2004 08:44 (nineteen years ago) link

joel

i think that conflating homosocial and homosexual can be dangerous, and i think that we need to pay attention when those things converge...i dont know about days of thunder (which is an artifical refinement of the themes of top gun), but i did say "i think" about top gun, which means that i am unsure, that my own desires and complications may get in the way

anthony, Saturday, 14 August 2004 08:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes -- my post was not meant to be a riposte to you - just to lots of imaginary people in general.

the bellefox, Saturday, 14 August 2004 08:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i saw part of that vanilla sky commentary, it was atrocious (nancy wilson strums her guitar while cameron crowe marvels at his extraordinary achievement, mentions billy wilder every 5 minuts)

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 14 August 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

but amateurist i think your take on tom cruise is interesting, because his overriding cruiseishness, no matter what the role, is that not basically what makes a movie star? can you ever forget that bogey is bogey? is tom cruise different though, is he like the ultimate manifestation of star-as-immovable-presence?

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 14 August 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

sam fuller, of all people, used to go on about how gay "top gun" was

xpost

duh s1ocki i just woke up i can't answer these heavy questions

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 14 August 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Bogart is has even more of that than Cruise and in a different (and infinitely better) way. I suppose Bogart is my ultimate movie star so i am biased. Bogart seems like an "immovable presence"; perhaps Cruise is an immovable absence?

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 14 August 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

He's like Mr. Square in Flatlad.

br-u-no, Saturday, 14 August 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant Flatland

br-u-no, Saturday, 14 August 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I still think that Eyes Wide Shut works because Cruise is such a phony actor, and the character is constantly thrown into situations where he has to lie, and he comes across like such a tool. Except for dumb shit like Mission Impossible, that's pretty much the only movie I like him in.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 15 August 2004 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

overriding cruiseishness

excellent

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 15 August 2004 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link

>but amateurist i think your take on tom cruise is interesting, because his overriding cruiseishness, no matter what the role, is that not basically what makes a movie star? can you ever forget that bogey is bogey? is tom cruise different though, is he like the ultimate manifestation of star-as-immovable-presence?

I can kind of understand this post but am somewhat horrified at the same time.

Yes. Bogey many times just played Bogey (def. not always) but there was a presence there that outweighed these issues. I mean Jack Nicholson (who I many problems with btw) is not the title on this thread for a reason, no? Tho he has for the last - what, 25 years? - been playing the same character, his charisma/JackNicholsonness allows him for many to get away with it.

Tom Cruise's appalling absensce of such presence but simultaneous ability to get away with playing that absence is what I think distresses many.

H (Heruy), Sunday, 15 August 2004 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

this is all too easy.

cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 15 August 2004 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link

yes H but WHY does he get away with it? obviously there is something about his screen presence that people like to watch, maybe it's some cocky alpha-male appeal or something like that (which is kinda what nicholson does too).

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 15 August 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

this thread is about colin farrell.

cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
"yeah i like marriage. i like the dynamic"

also laughed a bit too much a Billy Connelly's slightly gay jokes.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 4 September 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

will beck's scientology lead him to the blankness of travolta and cruise? cos there's a lotta
character and personality to be done away with there... (though it seems to have settled
in already with a very blah album)

firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 4 September 2004 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Hey now.

Tom Cruise, Friday, 22 October 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

You seem to be pursuing a theme today.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

TOM CRUISE SETS RECORD STRAIGHT ON INTARWEB MESSAGE BOARD

still bevens (bscrubbins), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
http://freekatie.net/

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

My husband got really offended this weekend when I said he looked a little bit like Tom Cruise -- he thought I was trying to say he looked like a psychopath.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

new meme!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"i was gonna hire the first movers, but the guy running the place was a little, i dunno, a little tom cruise."

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

freekatie gets my vote.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

>some cocky alpha-male appeal or something like that (which is kinda what nicholson does too).<

God Almighty.

One's a man (even at his dullest), the other is a strutting 43-year-old boy.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link


come on, Tom is actually gay, right? I mean, just look at him.

JD from CDepot, Monday, 13 June 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, I'm looking...

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link


i dunno, obviously he has had those rumors since the beginning of his career, but from where i see it, everytime ive seen him kiss a woman in anything it just looks unatural. like that self concious making out infront of a mirror in "Eyes Wide Shut", or his supposed infatuation with penelope cruz in "Vanilla Sky". Not to mention all of those red carpet kisses with his girl du jour Katie Holmes. I wouldnt be supprised if there were some unrefutable gay story about him thats about to come out that just wont drift away into the tabloids.

anyone agree?

JD from CDepot, Monday, 13 June 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

http://goldenfiddle.com/wp-uploads/heisalreadyhere.jpg

Roz (Roz), Monday, 13 June 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom Cruise: Gay or Straight?

jed_ (jed), Monday, 13 June 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

FWIW: Scientology frowns upon homosexuality. Oh and what do you have here: Katie excited about converting to Scientology.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 June 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmm yes, except:

Holmes, in London to promote her new film, "Batman Begins," said Monday that she's excited about her lessons in Scientology, a religion founded by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.

and

In an interview in the June 17 issue of Entertainment Weekly, the 42-year-old actor was asked if Holmes is curious about Scientology.

"Yeah, absolutely. She digs it," he tells the magazine.

None of that is from Katies mouth as a direct quote. Is he speaking for her on that too? A mag saying she is "excited about her lessons in Scientology" means bugger all and could be made up.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Something *really really weird* is going on with this dude.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

At this point, I would not be surprised if I read in the news tomorrow that he'd killed a bunch of people.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
complicated guy

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 December 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

He was cute in that recent othodontic braces period.

Aaron A, Monday, 26 December 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

ortho

Aaron A, Monday, 26 December 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

none of you really understand TC

me either; but

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 26 December 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

you're a complicated guy, too, cozen

RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 December 2005 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

really; I'm lost too

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 26 December 2005 00:32 (eighteen years ago) link

watched a series of Tom-pissed-off-about-psychiatry-and/or-being-asked-about-scientology clips this morning, and sure, focusing only on one side of a guy will give you a skewed perception of him BUT his hostility around these matters - not anger, not the sort of righteous ire he's trying to project, but real ugly hostility - is remarkable

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Monday, 26 December 2005 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link

http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5021130,00.jpg

Aaron A, Monday, 26 December 2005 00:50 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

ICYDK: Paramount Cuts the Crazy

People, this is just the beginning.

Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures unit is ending its 14-year relationship with Tom Cruise's film production company because of the actor's offscreen behavior, the company's chairman said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal.
Sumner Redstone, Viacom chairman, said the behavior of the star of the "Mission: Impossible" series and "Top Gun" was unacceptable to the company, according to the Wall Street Journal story e-mailed to reporters.
Cruise, one of Hollywood's biggest stars, has been known more recently for his antics on U.S. television talk shows, including jumping up and down on Oprah Winfrey's couch to declare his love for Katie Holmes and criticizing the use of antidepressant drugs.
"As much as we like him personally, we thought it was wrong to renew his deal," Redstone was quoted as saying in the Wall Street Journal. "His recent conduct has not been acceptable to Paramount."

I think that Paramount seriously knows of something fucked up coming up and decided to distance themselves from him before it hits the fan. Stay tuned for Tom to completely flip out!

This is going to get good.

[Reuters]
posted by Michael K Permalink


http://dlisted.blogspot.com/2006/08/icydk-paramount-cuts-crazy.html

tom responds!

http://dlisted.blogspot.com/2006/08/morning-after-tom-responds.html

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I am so excited!

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

I am halfway through the Andrew Morton biography. UNAUTHORIZED. Roffle. Like he'd authorize his bio. Maybe if Hubbard came back in his big ole spaceshuttle and ordered him to. Anyhoo, that Scientology shit is crazy (in a rofflicious kinda way but also in a VERY scary kind of way).

stevienixed, Thursday, 19 June 2008 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I had forgotten he had dated Cher. Yikes.

stevienixed, Thursday, 19 June 2008 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link


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