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i will say tho that the derm lecturers we had were CRAZY about dermatology and the skin as an organ. very capable cheerleaders, imo. but they're academics and probably got into derm when it was just a sub of internal medicine, and not the horrible profession it is now.

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

before i decided that immuno was the place for me my other big idea was derm. volunteered at a clinic for about four months and just - basically so much stuff about derm is rad and visible in an interesting way. gbx's lecturers otm.

Lamp, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, see, that's the thing: it IS cool (so is the eye!! so is imaging!!), which is why it's doubly infuriating when someone is by all accounts (imo) utterly disinterested, intellectually, in the specialty they're gunning so hard to get (this gal cleans. up.).

saw a weirdo erosion when i was shadowing at a clinic for NAmerican alcoholics---you could actually look at it and go "yup that is through X layers and visibly advancing." medical/physiological processes made, as you said, totally visible.

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

haha i remember @ the same time i was volunteering there was a long travails of the ruling class piece in the nyt abt how like harvard med students couldnt get (desirable) derm residencies bcuz they were so competitive now. after that i stopped thinking derm was a reasonable path but i still think its cool.

even really basic derm treatments like removing moles is tactile and ~interesting~ i think? esp in the sense that there is clarity and precision to it. i least i think so?

Lamp, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Well my dermatologist spends her days writing Retin-A scripts and hawking IPL. Seems uber-boring and not even very medical. She may as well be selling Avon or something.

quincie, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I think with every specialty, there will be some people who are like "That is the least interesting thing I could ever imagine doing" and some people who have that moment where they see themselves doing that thing for the rest of their lives. I know lots of people who think orthopedics isn't very interesting, and TONS of people who have ruled out neurology already, but ortho and neuro are 1 and 2 for me. And like, at this point I have zero interest in private practice, and a strong desire to keep a foot in academic medicine, but there are way way more people who would prefer to have an office somewhere and never put up with med school bureaucracy again.

C-L, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, academic med is only interesting to me (at this point) as means to be an educator, really. i really like teaching/instructing, so staying involved with an Institution is sort of appealing. otoh, i could just, you know, teach kids how to do bike maintenance once a week and maybe feel just as fulfilled, who knows

in other news: i've been bouncing between ortho, EM, and peds as possibilities (lol that basically covers everything) and today a brief conversation with a classmate about EM and a visit to a good friend's Meet Our Residents page (he's pgy2) suddenly crystallized my decision to at the very least structure my initial schedule around EM. also funny: when i mentioned that one of the tertiary benefits of EM is the short residency for an old guy like me, the dude was like "you're 29? you're even older than all the people i regularly make fun of for being old!"

also had our last day of internal medicine mini-clerkships (once a week, interview/phys with a single patient, 5-10 min presentation at the end of the day), and my preceptor said some very flattering things, which has me feeling pretty chuffed iirc. thank god he can't see my grades :o

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm just getting into the good stuff in my neuro course and it's definitely the most interesting science class i've taken in pharm school, not including public health which i loved

how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

oh god so now i'm skimming the FIRST AID GUIDE TO THE WARDS and they're saying that you should chedule yr EM rotation near the end of yr third year because you'll have covered most of the material in your other stuff, and will thus be better informed. which is of course otm. i, however, enthusiastically scheduled it as my fourth rotation (after Med I, Surg I, and an ortho elective), even though the draft/lottery meant there were plenty of slots available in the spring.

now i'm worried i'm gonna fuck up/not be impressive and i really want to get a good LOR (esp since i'm going through HCMC, which is the OG EM program in the country, and highly respected) :(

why i'm worrying about this now and not, say, studying for my impending GI exam is beyond me, but w/e

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

it's amazing, the first two years i've been *yawn* w/e when my classmates starting sounding careerist, and now i'm getting totally mercenary about planning my future.

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I was just at a Surgery Interest talk thing last night and they were like "honestly it doesn't matter when you do what you're planning to do; any reasonable instructor is going to know that people doing a rotation early are still going to be mostly clueless, and adjust accordingly." And man did I ever need to hear that. (All of the panelists were coincidentally people who did surgery 1st to get it out of the way and then loved it way more than they had expected.)

Most of the awesome docs and fourth years I've ever talked to were just like "Show up, be enthusiastic, work hard, and admit when you don't know what you're doing", whereas most of the people who are like "behold my secret formula" were kinda douchebags. Hopefully that means something.

C-L, Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

that IS reassuring tbh.

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Also I would assume your disinterest in studying for GI is because it is SO BORING. At least the pathology, anyway. I think we are going to get some lectures on parasites in the next couple days and hopefully that will make up for all the pathology.

C-L, Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I kinda like GI???

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Basically the digestive and reproductive systems are only interesting to me as sources of metabolic and hormonal imbalances, so from like the diaphragm to the pelvis I just kind of endure it. (Although I guess the adrenals and a lot of the spine are also in that space, and I do enjoy the adrenals and the spine.)

C-L, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link

ok i am in small group and all we're talking about is farts, it's hilarious

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL, in his efforts to make sure N. and I never went to med school, N's dad was extremely fond of playing an old reel-to-reel tape from 1949's International Crepitation Competition.

ned ragú (suzy), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe the U of M has a copy?

ned ragú (suzy), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link

aaaaaand apparently someone did a study here (that got published in NEJM) to investigate why we have floaters.

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link

as in poop floaters?

quincie, Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link

yup

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link

CW was that they were fatty/oily, apparently they are full of air!

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link

BOAK well then, that lamb curry can wait...

ned ragú (suzy), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link

99 POOP BALLOONS

quincie, Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

to add to the list of med school band names:

TOXIC MEGACOLON

drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I would listen to a band called Volvulus, unless they were prog-rock.

Additionally, a bunch of my friends play various medical school functions under the name "Palpable Thrill".

C-L, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

oh volvulus is a good one

drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZF9DLwKlb0

etaeoe, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

wowwwww someone's getting a call from the ~professional standards committee~

drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link

There is a really decent chance that two years from now, the schedule will work out today so that the 2012 class Match Day falls on the first day of the NCAA tournament. That will be like the best day.

C-L, Thursday, 18 March 2010 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link

btw did u kno it is

SPRINK BREANG TWENTY THOUSAND TEN YEARS OLD!???!?!?!!?????!!!!!!

drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Thursday, 18 March 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Ugh so jealous! Ours is in a week and a half. I feel that NCAA tournament day 1 + Match Day should be a holiday at all med schools, though. It is such a joyous day! (Except at Vanderbilt, lol @ Murray St)

C-L, Thursday, 18 March 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

patient records can pass seamlessly from doctor to specialist to hospital, helping avoid the kind of dangerous slip-ups that cost the lives of an estimated 100,000 people in this country each year.

Are you fucking kidding me? A hundred grand A YEAR??

From NYT.

Ask foreigners and they will tell you the gospel comes from America. (Laurel), Friday, 26 March 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the classic number quoted (from an IOM study in 1999 called To Err is Human) is 98,000 per year, or "a jumbo jet falling out of the sky every day."

I dunno how that number has changed over the past decade or so.

C-L, Saturday, 27 March 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand peace

midcentury Modern (Lamp), Friday, 30 April 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

went str8 to the gym swam for 90 mins came home bros on the porch drinking bears got sum indian food slept for like two hours listening to graceland going to see a friend dj 2nite fridge is full of beer all the windows are open and the breeze is coming in ~relaxed~

midcentury Modern (Lamp), Friday, 30 April 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I AM DONE

lamp let's party

dude!!!!! on my 2nd beer already tbqf

midcentury Modern (Lamp), Friday, 30 April 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

wish u were here cuz its a p sweet time but may the next few weeks bring u nothing but happy trails and smoken climber chix ^_^ also u nvr returned my email about that book!!!!

midcentury Modern (Lamp), Friday, 30 April 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh look here is what it looks like when I am envying u guys

C-L, Friday, 30 April 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Although to be fair today I finished my 2nd of 4 exams for this quarter, then went over to the undergrad campus where they had hella free food and a moon bounce. So today was rad but STILL, now I am back in the library trying to finish the final assignment for our terrible terrible ethics class.

C-L, Friday, 30 April 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i have had two beers now already, and it is nap time

leaving tomorrow for Devil's Tower, if the weather improves

C-L: that is a bummer, man, hang in there

also wait did you send an email to my ilx acct? it is a dummy :(

*checks*

c-l, ive heard from both med and fellow pharm students that ethics class tends to suck, which is bumming me out cuz I was looking forward to it next semester

anyway 4 finals to go

brandon softerserve (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 April 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah at least for me, there are lots of well-meaning educational attempts throughout med school that are just so poorly done that they become incredibly frustrating, and Ethics was the most grossly inept of all. It was esp frustrating since I had the good luck in grad school to see the social sciences and medicine work well together, mostly driven by med anthro dudes who were big about resolving their fieldwork research with the day-to-day of medical practice. And then I got to med school ethics and it was just all absurd hypotheticals and vague platitudes with no takeaway for real life.

C-L, Saturday, 1 May 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I cannot be the only person who wants to spend time during Standardized Patient exams trying to break the 4th wall, right? It is just so tempting to be like "It cannot be very fun to do this all day long for three straight days, can it? I hope they are paying you good." We kinda got to do this with the standardized genital exam patients last month though, which was cool. Apparently once you get over the whole finger-in-butt thing, a prostate exam just feels like someone touching any other part of your body.

In related news, I appear to be very susceptible to dropping the rest of a thorough H&P once I see an opening for potential diagnosis. Especially with standardized exams, where all answers will either be essentially "You have asked a correct question" or "You have asked for information I was not given". Basically once I get on a thread of correct questions it is like a shiny set of keys being jingled in front of me and I forget to be like "So do you have any family history of this issue" or whatever.

C-L, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

oh man I was pretty fast and loose with the fourth wall, esp when it came to doing mental inventories. I would just blatantly sidebar to run thru my checklist for the PE

also just did some major scheduling judo.

med 1
board studying/vacay
anatomy TA
ortho
surg1
peds
peds surg
spring break!!!
EM
fam med
~three weeks of mystery~
OB
away rotation
infectious DZ
med/peds
ultrasound!!
neuro
psych
med 2
intl rotation
...
profit!!

two weeks pass...

It loses a little something when you take out the giant "I <3 Hot Nurses" profile photo, but I am like 95% sure from the date of this openbook selection that this dude ran into my classmates after we had finished with Shelf exams:
http://i49.tinypic.com/mvt0zm.png

Step 1 studying is the f'ing worst, btw.

C-L, Friday, 21 May 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

To address his claims: A fairly decent number, Yes, Some of them, Sort of.

C-L, Friday, 21 May 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link


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