follow up was pretty good i thought; the dialogue is pretty consistently bright, if only occasionally sensible.i like that it inhabits a world where people don't shoot at each other unless they have very damned good reasons or are unbelievably stupid
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link
loved the pilot. Honestly, I think I only like Olyphant in 'sherrif' roles. ie, Deadwood and this. I don't seem to care for him much in anything else. Loved that opening scene in the pilot: closeup shot to make you think he's standing in the middle of Deadwood or something & they pan back and he's standing by a pool in Miami.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link
should see the crazies then, dude plays a lawman who opens the film by sipping on coffee, putting his hand on his hip and saying something like "i don't care what they say, the first day of spring is the first day of high school baseball season." it's awesome.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Olyphant was also pretty good in the second season of Damages. In a show filled with great character actors with suspect motives and allegiances, he fit in perfectly (much like Martin Short is doing this year). I didn't see it, but I heard he was similarly entertaining in A Perfect Getaway.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link
he was indeed, but he played a lawman in that as well (if you count special ops guys as lawmen, and why wouldnt you)
― ☆, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link
shows that died were justified
― Lamp, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Third ep was awesome, I am really digging the direction this show is taking.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 March 2010 08:02 (fourteen years ago) link
ep 4 possibly the best one yet. one of the better hours of self-contained telly i've seen in a while.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 11:10 (fourteen years ago) link
high praise!
― etrian odysseus (cozen), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 11:16 (fourteen years ago) link
i dig it when some dudes are just being cool as shit and all.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 11:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Ruck nailed that.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 7 April 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, Buster: "JFK was alive for HOURS!"
― Nhex, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 04:13 (fourteen years ago) link
"There are other things than 'smart'.""Yeah, and they're not smart."
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link
didn't realize there was a thread for this, otherwise i woulda saved this exchange from 77 for here:
first two eps were GREAT, third was horrible, fourth and fifth await
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm in like the total opposite camp -- first two episodes and the whole dynamic with the main characters bored the shit out of me, then w/ the more episodic/procedural style of the next couple episodes (especially the Alan Rock stuff in ep 4) it started to finally entertain me.
― Spiney G. Porcupinegarden (some dude), Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Spiney G. Porcupinegarden (some dude), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 14:08 (fourteen years ago) link
i think part of my problem is i keep comparing this in my head to another FX show i like more, Sons of Anarchy. but seriously the whole thing with the friend-turned-enemy and the old flame? i just can't muster the slightest bit of interest in that stuff, very relieved that it looks like a lot of episodes won't center on it at all.
― Spiney G. Porcupinegarden (some dude), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Con Stapleton guys
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm surprised how well the procedural episodes are appealing to me too. This show's pretty good at drawing these criminal-of-the-week characters, and basically any excuse to have Timothy Olyphant tell corny stories in his self-assured way to a person is... great!? Yes! I still do like the stuff with the old friend and the ex-wife, but am secretly hoping it doesn't take over the show if they can keep writing great standalones.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
now the good reverend.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
"People are entitled to their hobbies, and I’m entitled to think those people are creepy.”
― President Keyes, Sunday, 2 May 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Renewed for a second season btw
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 11:48 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah the procedural criminal-of-the-week stuff is what's hooking me now, they're really good at that stuff. loved the Hitler paintings episode.
― hey lol hipster (some dude), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 12:32 (fourteen years ago) link
and weirdly i watched that episode the same week i watched an old West Wing that Robert Picardo was also in. that guy is a TV guest star MVP imo.
― hey lol hipster (some dude), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 12:34 (fourteen years ago) link
This is one of the best new shows this season. After all of the death and mayhem in previous episodes, last night's episode very interesting in terms of bloodletting: "Some bumps, bruises and a couple of cracked ribs."
― righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Premiering on five USA in the uk tonight.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Last night's was a pretty good mix of super-corny-yet-charming cliched cop show plot mixed in with the ongoing storyline b/w Raylan's wife's new husband's shady stuff and the Crowder family, usually they seem to have go on one side or the other. M.C. Gainey is a perfect casting choice to be Boyd's father, W. Earl Brown from Deadwood was pretty good too.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
this whole layout is feng shui, designed to encourage spending.
― давай давай!! (☆), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm a coupla episodes behind, but damn, loved Ray McKinnon showing up as the hitman "Mr Duke" (Deadwood holla!). He'll always be the Reverend to me, though...
― VegemiteGrrrl, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i love this show's steez. already taking Rayland down a few pegs.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I did not realize until this last ep that Gary was Herman on 'Herman's Head.' I knew about Jere Burns, but not William Ragsdale.
But yeah knew he was coming back to the bar and thought it was going to be some sort of bad ass-kicking but that is what is great about this show -- it throws just the slightest curve ball.
― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Herman! Wow. Did not recognize the dude at all.
― Nhex, Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Dude was in how many episodes until the last? But yeah did not see it until last night. Almost like Win Duffy: "I know we've met somewhere before."
― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Sorry, lotsa of "but yeahs" right now. It's the vodka-tonics. Please cut slack. Thx.
― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Tahiti lols: "Too many mosquitoes. Everyone speaks French. Only one movie theater..."
― VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 14 May 2010 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Liked tonight's set-up episode for the finale. Probably the least actual story we've gotten from any episode so far, but I liked how they seemed to bring in as many characters as possible, like that corrupt sheriff from a few episodes ago and one of Boyd's sidekicks from the first two eps.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh wait, there are two episodes left - nice.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 03:35 (fourteen years ago) link
feels like a lot to tie up in the finale next week.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Man, the dads in this show. Sumbitches for real. Hoo-wee. Excited for the finale, should be some good showdown action.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Last episode is called "Bulletville." Psyched.
Anyone wanna guess who's not making it through the finale? I'm going with Bo.
― Simon H., Thursday, 3 June 2010 07:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Statutory rape guy introduced a couple of episodes ago definitely getting got; wouldn't be shocked if Bo, the other Crowder brother, and one of Raylan's women get killed, either Eva or Winona.
I like how it turned out that Raylan killed a ridiculous amount of people in the first few episodes, then they called him out for on the show itself, and he hasn't shot anyone since. Now we'll see how far back he turns in the final episode, or not at all. Wonder if they actually planned it this way, or if it was part of the growing of the show and the writers realized quickly "we can't actually have him gun down people EVERY episode!"
― Nhex, Thursday, 3 June 2010 07:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd be gutted if they got rid of either Ava or Winona! I think you're right, though, that rape dude probably is a goner.
― Simon H., Thursday, 3 June 2010 07:29 (fourteen years ago) link
This show improved greatly.
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 June 2010 12:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Kickass finale.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 9 June 2010 07:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'm a sucker for that sort of thing. Really great.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 June 2010 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Great stuff. Body count was pretty ridiculous when you think about it - including Boyd's flock, around 20 people got shot?
― Nhex, Thursday, 10 June 2010 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Killer finale. Bummed that it's over..
― VegemiteGrrrl, Thursday, 10 June 2010 04:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, that was awesome.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Friday, 18 June 2010 05:05 (thirteen years ago) link
this show is pretty good huh
― max, Friday, 9 July 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
love the kentucky setting
have you gotten to the series finale yet? it ruled!
― horseshoe, Friday, 9 July 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
terrific writing--i sort of wonder if elmore leonard has any script oversight; i kind of doubt it but the ppl they have are doing a good leonard imitation
― max, Friday, 9 July 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay not reading this thread, just popping into say I decided to watch the series from the start on a whim after seeing this thread about SNA for a while and got damn, I love everyone in it (especially Winona, hard to confess that one to my wife).
Up to season 2 now, Boyd better keep walking that straight and narrow
― hrep (H.P), Thursday, 27 July 2023 03:13 (ten months ago) link
Tapped out on this new series midway through episode 3. Having the villain (who is FUCKING BORING AND NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT SCARY) tell a lie about his mom dying in a tornado and having said tornado appear on screen and suck Mama up into the sky is some Fargo bullshit.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 27 July 2023 03:28 (ten months ago) link
It's driving me nuts that the villain's motivation seems to be just being a big asshole. The subtitle of the Leonard novel is "High Noon in Detroit," but this guy isn't much of an adversary, just compulsively adversarial.
But yeah, three episodes in and this is just not that good, (elder) Olyphant aside. I really can't believe they were satisfied with this script/story after the relentless sharpness of the show. Goodwill will get me to watch it, but damned if it isn't disappointing.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 July 2023 02:57 (ten months ago) link
Part of the way into season 6 on the re-screening -
Forgot just how bad Michael Rappaport is, a real turning point from "corny but a decent character actor" to "fuck this guy"
Not that you'd want it to just be a cop-buddy-dramedy but it really shines when Rachel and Tim are heavily featured, I would have traded 15% of the Raylan and Boyd show for them to get more screen time.
Boyd gets less interesting the darker he gets - less charismatic without the family drama and more just an asshole.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 1 September 2023 08:19 (nine months ago) link
Rappaport’s on-screen presence has gotten worse over the years as he’s become even more of a thin-skinned weirdo offscreen. That Justified character was supposed to be menacing and he just seemed perpetually whiny!
overall, the City Primeval miniseries was mostly a miss for me. the father/daughter stuff didn’t quite work, Keith David character was good but was only there to introduce the macguffin, Raylan’s womanizing seemed oddly charisma-free, and the other law enforcement characters were a non-presence instead of a good backing cast
and they cast an actor whose actual name is Boyd and then just made him a hyper-violent dork!
― mh, Friday, 1 September 2023 13:52 (nine months ago) link
We never made it past the third episode. Should we?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2023 14:55 (nine months ago) link
I think that's where there actually starts being movement. Mansell and the Albanians meeting up finally gets some things moving, but it's still pretty bleak
― mh, Friday, 1 September 2023 15:05 (nine months ago) link
I ducked out around episode 3 myself, then decided to come back to it. I was pretty satisfied with it by the end. I thought a lot of the “Raylan is older now” elements, like the relationship with the lawyer, were handled well, though it was pretty funny how quickly the female detective figured out that he had something going with the lawyer — as ever, Raylan is not as slick as he thinks. I continued to hate the villain all the way to the end, but I ended up feeling okay about it, because every single other character wound up hating him, too. The coda/tag, which I won’t spoil, felt tacked-on and excessively fan-servicey. So ultimately…ehh, but I don't feel my time was wasted.
― read-only (unperson), Friday, 1 September 2023 15:26 (nine months ago) link
I haven't read much if any Elmore Leonard so are the books close to the adaptation.
― Stevo, Friday, 1 September 2023 15:38 (nine months ago) link
The original Raylan story, Fire in the Hole, is pretty close to the Justified pilot, fwiw.
Leonard is tons of fun, btw.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2023 15:54 (nine months ago) link
The coda/tag, which I won’t spoil, felt tacked-on and excessively fan-servicey. So ultimately…ehh, but I don't feel my time was wasted.
Yeah, the ending was annoying. If they are thinking of making more of these, I hope someone breaks it to Timmy O that Junior O cannot act and should not be in them.
― trishyb, Saturday, 2 September 2023 13:49 (nine months ago) link
Anyone seen the 1997 version of "Pronto"? I did not realize that James LeGros that plays Wade Messer was who played Givens in that movie adaptation.
It's got Peter Falk as Harry Arno, which seems like a pretty on target casting.
Got to be interesting to see if nothing else.
― earlnash, Saturday, 2 September 2023 21:37 (nine months ago) link
just finished, what a huge disappointment. mostly been covered, ridiculous Jason from Friday the 13th bad guy with no charisma, fellow law enforcement officers are total duds, daughter plot went nowhere, Keith David who actually had some juice and felt like a Justified character was wasted....I liked Sweet and the defense lawyer...even Raylan seemed a little charmless at points. Marvel movie ending, surprised Samuel L Jackson didn't pop up wearing an eye patch.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:27 (nine months ago) link
Season 6 really isn’t a huge improvement on 5. I had blessedly forgotten Boon(e?).
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 9 September 2023 03:10 (nine months ago) link
Oh man, I don’t know if I can handle Young Olyphant’s voice.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 11 September 2023 03:00 (nine months ago) link
The cartoon villain’s signifier of badassery being a White Stripes mix tape is certainly a choice.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 02:31 (eight months ago) link
got thru episode 6, let me tell you that the white stripes mix is not meant to be a signifier of badassery
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Thursday, 21 September 2023 00:44 (eight months ago) link
This is so bad. Should have been a series about the Detroit Armenian mob starring the guy from Oz.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 September 2023 02:21 (eight months ago) link
Armenian mob, Sweety and the blonde girlfriend, that could be decent.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 September 2023 02:23 (eight months ago) link
We're though episode 6 and this season is such a slog, though it did feel like there were a few signs of life in episode 6. I don't expect the last two episodes to save it
― Vinnie, Thursday, 21 September 2023 09:56 (eight months ago) link
episode 7 was good, finale was a let down. the epilogue was totally unnecessary fan service (but not unwelcome, tbh, i am a fan after all)
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Thursday, 21 September 2023 12:06 (eight months ago) link
that was even more frustrated like if you were gonna do that anyway what the hell did we do this whole season for??
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 September 2023 13:22 (eight months ago) link
We haven't returned to it after the third episode, but it's extra frustrating that this followed what seemed to be years of "we're waiting for the right story" or "the timing has to be just right" or "Tarantino found the perfect source material and lobbied Olyphant" or whatever, and then the results are so wan. I sometimes felt the same way with the reboot of "Party Down." You literally had years to come up with ideas, and then against all odds a new season arrives, and it feels like it's been given no thought at all. Or, like, they were told they had a very limited budget and schedule and had to rush something into production. Maybe that was the case.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 September 2023 14:04 (eight months ago) link
Think I can already guess what the epilogue will be
― Vinnie, Thursday, 21 September 2023 14:33 (eight months ago) link
party down season 3 was much better and more thoughtful than this
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Thursday, 21 September 2023 14:41 (eight months ago) link
i think what a normal season of justified, even a less-good one like season 5, has that this one doesn't is time to breathe. we knew what made every thug or underboss or put-upon law enforcement officer tick, while in this, characters are just tossed into the mix and act with no established motivation or personality quirks, let alone personality. sweety was the only character that felt truly fleshed out, and a lot of that was due to the performance. aunjanue ellis was great as caroline for a bit, but her character got more and more muddled as the season went along.
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Thursday, 21 September 2023 14:43 (eight months ago) link
Party Down 3 was fine, but I'm pretty certain my affection for the characters was doing a lot of the heavy lifting
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 September 2023 15:29 (eight months ago) link
Sweet was the only character that really felt like a classic Justified character to me
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 September 2023 15:36 (eight months ago) link
Oklahoma wildboyz - no redeeming qualities as a characterBlonde girlfriend - pretty good Leonard character if not JustifiedSweety - good all around (except for that one shot of him making bass face)Armenian mob boss - pretty good, probably would have been funny trying to hide out in Harlan CountyCop who was in Bosch - why was he in thisCop who wears Oakleys and definitely has a Punisher skull sticker on his F-250 - I think they were casting for SEAL Team and put him in the wrong pileRedheaded cop - stupid storylineBlack detective - felt wasted, that guy had gravitas
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 September 2023 15:46 (eight months ago) link
Raylan felt like a passive observer so much of the time rather than the driver of the story (despite committing various crimes to get the wildboy) - almost like they took a non-Raylan story and shoehorned him in. Hmmm
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 September 2023 15:48 (eight months ago) link
I have a soft spot for season 5, which a lot of people didn't like, and I mostly think every season of Justified was solid to great. But this season was bad. There was no plan, just people running back and forth. Daughter was a drag, Raylan a shadow of his former self. Very little fun compared to previous seasons - best you get is weird character quirks like the White Stripes thing. Last episode was anti-climactic too, like they couldn't wait to get to the epilogue
And I was 90% correct about my guess for the epilogue, lol. Fully agree with ums - if you're gonna have that happen, just make the damn season about that. Though I guess there's a high chance they will make that season next, assuming people didn't hate this one too much
― Vinnie, Saturday, 23 September 2023 12:11 (eight months ago) link
Big Chief in the soundtrack for episode 2 of the new show. I thought that a pretty good deep cut Michigan representation in the music.
― earlnash, Saturday, 30 September 2023 21:23 (eight months ago) link
Just finished season 2 - haven’t read the thread beyond that point to avoid spoilers. Great show, what a cast. Glad to see Kaitlyn Dever who played Loretta has gone on to have a strong career. Fun to see Margo Martindale playing a backwoods version of her character on The Americans. It wasn’t remarked on ITT during the first 2 seasons but the nazi shit everywhere hits way differently now :( On to season 3
― that's not my post, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 05:27 (three months ago) link
i think kaitlyn dever is the best actor of her generation
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 16:30 (three months ago) link
I fell away from this in the 6th season, just picking it back up and damn if I haven’t missed the man himself, Wynn Duffey
― H.P, Friday, 23 February 2024 14:41 (three months ago) link
I’m really enjoying Wynn’s annoying military arms dealer offering Boyd Crowder a Negroni (“it’s Italian, tastes like grapefruit”)
― H.P, Friday, 23 February 2024 14:44 (three months ago) link
Oh well…. That was short lived
― H.P, Friday, 23 February 2024 14:50 (three months ago) link
WYNN DUFFY WAS THE INFORMANT????? Just when I thought this character couldn't get any better. I love this guy!
― H.P, Saturday, 24 February 2024 11:29 (three months ago) link
he’s such a treat
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 February 2024 17:31 (three months ago) link
i'm just dropping in here to say that Timothy Olyphant is a babe
― Swen, Sunday, 25 February 2024 03:46 (three months ago) link
baberaham lincoln
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 February 2024 04:09 (three months ago) link
Timothy Olyphant x Natalie Zea. One of the greatest husband/wife/estranged casting picks of all time. Love these two together
― H.P, Sunday, 25 February 2024 09:38 (three months ago) link
Would also like to go on record that Ava Crowder is the worst
― H.P, Monday, 26 February 2024 13:55 (three months ago) link
I love that in the end, this is just a show about three families in a hate-triangle with one another constantly outwitting all exterior malevolent forces while through unintended cooperation. Now if that ain't southern hospitality
― H.P, Monday, 26 February 2024 14:01 (three months ago) link