But there are a few vitruoso pages in some of the early books that probably earned him a place on the list by themselves.
― Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
I want reprint editions of more of these things, dammit (why can I find no Kurtzmann work?)
― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
I just counted: I've met 16 of the people listed above covering over a quarter of the entries, including high entries for Kurtzman, the Hernandez Brothers, Spiegelman and Eisner.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
And Martin: Everyone in every field was doing Best Of Century lists in order to get the public to buy their product (what publisher was it that did that best books list? for example). I dunno, I'm not saying it was wrong of Fantagraphics to do it or anything...
― Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think if I'd still been publishing the closest the UK came to TCJ (not very close!), I'd have done one of these polls too. I wouldn't have expected anything I'd been involved with to appear!
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
Was your comics [magazine?] mostly focused on the Kirby-esque comics or did you wander into "art" comics/strip comics as well?
― Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
Clearly you two are aliens.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
Total absence of Superman and Batman = some kind of statement, surely?
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
If _Dark Knight Returns_ sees no love from this list, I can't think of any other Batman tales getting love (except, um, _The Killing Joke_, in case folks think there's not enough Alan Moore representation on the list).
Ned & Sean are on my side re: Bloom County = WE ARE RIGHT. Maybe.
― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
I actually don't have a big problem with the top 10 on this list, though there's plenty of other stuff I'd have liked to see included.
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also I don't understand Ghost World being so high up while Optic Nerve not being on there at all, especially since I feel they are very similar, except OPtic Nerve didn't get the star casting.
― Carey (Carey), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
But, then, all those old Warner Bros. cartoons (circa 1930-40) are peppered w/ oodles and oodles of pop cult references, and when the cartoon works, knowing who Peter Lorre is (for instance) doesn't make one bit of difference.
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Carey (Carey), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
Christina Aguilera playing with Opus dolls in a wrestling ring = the FEAR.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Carey (Carey), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
The Far Side? Did I miss it?
― jm (jtm), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
Overrated stuff in the top 10: 3, 4, 5, 6, 9. All of these are good, so I'm not terribly agitated, but none are in the same class as Segar's Popeye dailies.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 14 April 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'd agree that Pogo and Feiffer are overrated on that list; I haven't read enough Nemo to judge, and I don't know anything about 9. But you think Maus is overrated? Yes it's almost as obvious a chioce as Krazy Kat for top 10 inclusion but what's your specific beef with it? I'm curious.
― Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
I do think Maus was very good, but I think people were overly impressed simply because a comic dealt with such issues. It's the old performing dog thing. That is unfair, but I don't think it has any of the formal and experimental interest of a lot of Spiegelman's best work. I may also react against it because when I interviewed him he was very inclined to use the "but it's the Holocaust! How dare you!" stratagem against any criticism. I think its use of animals has very severe problems. I would certainly have it in my 100, but far lower than fourth place.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 14 April 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
but there are a number of single panel things up there, herblock's editorial cartoons, most of the New Yorker cartoons so don't understand the reason for leaving Larson out
― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
For not unobvious reasons, I vote Tintin in Tibet.
― Captain Haddock (Captain Haddock), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 09:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kieran, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 20:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 04:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Colin Saunders (csaunders), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 06:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave Fischer, Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:08 (twenty-one years ago) link