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I watched the special features on the Playtime DVD.

Niiice. Another thing I could have loaned out.

Jesse, you are a SCOURGE.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

OOOH!! You know what my very favorite thing about Soundbar is? Guess. Just guess.

My guess is that you want to fuck the servers.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

My Favorite Thing About Soundbar

by Jesse

OK, so my favorite thing about that place was that at there were windows into both the men's and women's bathrooms. The bathrooms are on each side of one of the downstairs bars, and the wall that the bar and bathroom share has a smallish window in it, through which you can see the urinals on one side (right next to the window, from about chest level, up) and the doors to the stalls on the other side. It's bizarre, and I wonder if it's in some part a security measure.

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone else see what I see in that picture of the tunnel? Icicles in the middle of the tunnel = Lask Shore Drive will collapse at any minute!

OMG!

Or maybe the engineers had the forethought to build expansion joints.

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I wasn't being serious.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

But you KNOW what I'm talking about with Argyle station.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

No, the Argyle station was designed with the aesthetic concept of katachi in mind, an aesthetic that joins polar opposite like inside/outside, shelter/gross dripping in your Diet Coke, and high voltage radiant heaters/constant stream of liquid.

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

If I have my mom in from out of town, that kind of decrepitness is embarrassing enough, because she's like, "Oh wow, so THIS is what public transit is like." Because she doesn't know public transit from a hole in the ground. But it's even worse when I'm with someone who lives in NY or SF, and knows what public transit SHOULD be like. And I have to be all, like, "But it's still a cool town! Really!"

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost HA!

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think the Sound Bar staff was being rude or nasty, I just hate when people boss me around, and I hate feeling herded like cattle. When the one dude was like "Ahem, bathroom's over there!" I was like, "Hey, buddy, calm down. I'm just looking around." This is the kind of thing I get into arguments with security guards about. A couple years ago I was at the DMV with my mom, and I was waiting for her near the door while she went to the bathroom. Security guard said, "You can't stand there. Get in line or leave." I said, "Oh, I'm just waiting for my mom. It'll just be a minute." He said, "Then wait outside." I said, "It'll only be a minute." He said, "I don't care, rules are you have to wait outside." I said, "But why? Is there a particular reason why I can't stand here? Am I in the way of something?" This usually ends with me doing what I'm told but shaking my head and laughing like Jack on L O S T and loudly muttering as I walk away, "Okay, but there's really no point to this."

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Also I have the worst hangover I've had in a couple years, but I can't get back to sleep. :(

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the kind of thing I get into arguments with security guards about.

You get into arguments with security guards? Come on, you can't be that dumb.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Srsly, John, these people are being told what to tell you to do, and sometimes you have to do what you're told. "There's no point in this" is not the point. You're not exactly going to shake up society by being an obstinate ass about everything.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

HOw late did you stay out? I didn't really even get a buzz, and I left around 11:30.

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, there's a kind of class-based horribleness implied in being rude to people who are, to quote Jesse, just doing their job. It's their job, dude. It's not about you.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

shit. xpost. What Kenan said. You needed to be told what to do! You didn't know where to go, or what to do. Plus when people get in groups they get all weird dumb and need direction.

And consider things from the security guy's POV--how many dozens a people a night try to wander into that place where you were, and he has to move them out. It's sad that he can't consider the specialness each individual's desires and motivations, but really, you're a face in a crowd. (That said, they really should put up a door if they don't want people walking in there. Still, it's not that guy's fault.)

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, there's a kind of class-based horribleness implied in being rude to people who are, to quote Jesse, just doing their job.

I second that emotion.

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

If I had gone home after we left the club, I would've been fine. But Dan and Horseshoe and I went to Clark St. Ale House, and I had two beers. 5 gin-and-tonics plus 2 beers = not good news. I don't think I'm a lightweight, but I rarely mix beer and liquor.

Kenan, I realize all that, but I still resist. Even if they're just doing their jobs, I feel like I'm being put in my place, and I hate that.

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

(This should all be cross-posted to the "Are you afraid of cops?" thread.)

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Especially when they are doing their job in an efficient and polite manner!

Sorry John, but that's entirely your problem. You can't be a special snowflake all the time.

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Lots of times efficiency is synonymous with brusqueness, though. That's usually what bothers me.

Sorry John, but that's entirely your problem.

I totally realize this! I never said it wasn't irrational!

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok, this can be your special irrational thing, but keep it to yourself.

You know how you know you're on a date with an asshole? He's rude to the waiter. This never fails.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I wasn't aware you had been on so many dates with men.

Btw, the argument with the security guard would've ended a lot sooner if dude had simply said, "Hey I know it doesn't make sense, but this is what I've been told to enforce."

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe they don't pay him enough to be nice to people he doesn't like.

I feel like I'm being put in my place, and I hate that.

That's just whiny. STFU. Your place is where you are, and if you're uncomfortable with it, do something about that. Don't take it out on the staff.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Why would he not like me?

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

oh no.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Lots of times efficiency is synonymous with brusqueness, though. That's usually what bothers me.

But these people weren't brusque, and you still had a problem with it. It's kind of diva-ish, this not wanting to be put in your place, can we agree on that?

Why would he not like me?

HA HAHAHAHAH!! I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY POSSIBLE REASON!!

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

But these people weren't brusque

What people? At the club last night? I think they were a little brusque, sure. Most people like that are.

It's kind of diva-ish, this not wanting to be put in your place, can we agree on that?

Maybe, or just a natural dislike of feeling humiliated.

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

It's kind of diva-ish, this not wanting to be put in your place, can we agree on that?

uh... you're talking to john, right? Does he EVER capitulate?

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

a natural dislike of feeling humiliated.

Oh PLEEEEZ. You are not put upon! Nobody else gives a runny shit if being given an order is not quite your style!

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish I had been a fully-fledged ILXor when the "How can anyone not like ME?" conversation was in full swing so I could have contributed. It was classic.

But really, why do you think the DMV guard would not like you? Think about it! (Hint: you're another person in a day filled with douchebags trying to question him while he's doing his unsatisfying, annoying, and prossibly underpaying job. He's charged with keeping people from waiting inside, and has no reason to give a shit whether you find that rule sensible or not.)

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

The whole of the world would still be here without you, ya know.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Wouldn't "diva-ish" imply that I want special treatment, as though I'm more important, when all I want is to be treated on an equal level?

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

YOU ARE BEING TREATED ON AN EQUAL LEVEL. THAT'S THE WHOLE ARGUMENT.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Not to say that a security guard or cop who is abusing his authority doesn't merit putting-in-place of their own. But just telling a person to move along does not constitute an abuse of power.

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not being treated on an equal level if I'm being barked at and dudes are flexing their power-muscles at me.

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

You are like everyone else, you are cattle to be herded by underpaid people who are very nice, considering their job, about herding people like you, who obviously want some kind of love from everyone you encounter, but IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

John, service industry people hate you. This is no mystery.gif.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

"Power-muscles" = metaphor

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost OK.

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not being treated on an equal level if I'm being barked at and dudes are flexing their power-muscles at me.

We did agree earlier that the security and door people were nice, remember. But the problem was that you like being told what to do. You sound very American.

John is an American. I think that sums it up. (Oh, and John likes pussy and cars.)

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Doorman: "Oh, I think tonight I'll be extra nice to the guy who holds me in mild contempt and questions the whole ritual of tipping or letting your server serve you or even basic politeness. That's What I'm going to do tonight."

I don't hold anyone in contempt unless they've done something to earn it. I tip well, and I'm always nice to servers. I don't understand how any of this applies to me.

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

PEOPLE! Let's get 'hold of ourselves! If we Chicagoans can't hang together, we'll hang seperately.

― Jesse, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

WHERE IS THE CHICAGO SCROTUM FOR US TO ALL HANG IN?

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to clarify something. I didn't have a huge problem with the people at the club last night. The dude downstairs raised my ire for a few seconds, but I think I dealt with it well and he didn't give me any more problems. All of the herding outside didn't make me mad or impatient, just uncomfortable about being treated like a body. Not anyone's fault, really. The only reason we're having this conversation is that you guys said they were "polite," and I'm not sure that's the most apt characterization I'd use.

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I wasn't even there, and the only reason I'm here is because Jaymc's Thing now is to bitch/argue about how he doesn't have to respect or tip the service industry because WAHHHH they don'ttreat him special.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

When on earth have I ever said that?

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

You, sir, are even more easily humiliated and touchy than me, and that's quite a thing.

― kenan, Saturday, 3 March 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm just now realizing that the comment about servers had to do with the whole debate about whether it's okay to go to the bar instead of waiting for your server. I now recognize my error, and I'm not likely to do it again. Please understand, though, that going to the bar was never a "fuck you" to the server, because it simply never occurred to me how that choice could affect her.

I'm sorry I frustrate all of you so often.

― jaymc, Saturday, 3 March 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

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