New York City- classic or dud?

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I like the paleontologist in that movie. "Give me a Prehistoric Man!"

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

My impressions of native (or long time new yorkers) is that they are just as provinical as the most rural hicks.

It's a great city. I'm glad I lived there and it's fun to visit.

But I wouldn't live there again if you paid me a million dollars.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

hi

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

again

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

so new york really is just like on sex and the city?

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a L-R, but I think I just offend people when I do those things.

I am convinced that Prehistoric Man is the precursor to Ross.

On the "provincial" crap running through this thread. What makes we New Yorkers, who live in a city of 8 million, and a metro area of 18 million (about 6% of the US?), that is one of the 2 or 3 most diverse parts of the country in terms of the origin of the inhabitants, more "provincial" than people who live in far less populated areas with populations that are far more homogenous and far less media-savvy, per capita?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

2 or 3 most diverse parts of the country= 2 or 3 most diverse parts of the world

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

I imagined Ally and Felicity's exchange upthread as taking place on the set of a talk show.

Ally: "We have as our guest here tonight Ms. Felicity Redwell. (shifts to face guest) Felicity, what do you think of New York City?"

Felicity: "I love it but in my darker hours I worry that it is wasted on New Yorkers."

Ally: (with an exceptionally earnest countenance) "Why?"

Felicity: "Well, I think some people start to take the wonderfulness of it for granted after living here a while."

Ally: (nods as if considering this statement very deeply)

Felicity: "Life must be awesome when people concern themselves with some of the incredibly fine differences of every aspect of urban life. Mea culpa."

(audience laughs)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

James: yes
gygax! = OTM
That Girl and gabbnebb: Well I can see the provincialism in the sense of "insular."
Amateurist: I see New York does not have the monopoly on smartasses! I poured my heart out on that post! I tried to put a little bit of myself into that post, you know. I give, and I give, and I give and what do I get? A talk show? No wonder we New Yorkers retreat into the shadows of our assumed urbanity!

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

(audience laughs) = (audience applauds)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

(thunderously)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is payback for when I said that I like when friends laugh in my face, isn't it?

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ford to city: Drop Dead

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

My God Felicity I imagined that scenario with total affection. It was not meant as a riposte.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, NYers are insular, myself included. But so can be the people who accuse us of insularity. The NYers-are-provincial argument, while admittedly a reaction to the CW, seems to have become CW enough that it now privileges their insularity over ours.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:22 (twenty-one years ago) link


my mental image of NYCILX revolves around the women

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000063K2W.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's okay, Amst. It couldn't have been a riposte. A riposte can only follow an attack. :)

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.petersreviews.com/simp03.jpg

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

But you see this is the problem with living in a city of passive-aggressive, sarcastic bastards. You start thinking that every comment carries a hostile undertone.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

everybody in the south is sincere and friendly.*


*this may not be true.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

But you see this is the problem with living

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

But you see this

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

But you see

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

But...

...my only experience in NYC was just a mellow weekend during Easter, when no one was around, and the weather finally became nice. I liked it. I'd like to visit again.

But all my friends here who used to live in NYC tell me sooo many things that make me wonder why in f'ing hell anyone would want to live there... mainly all having to do with the high cost of everything and the only marginal increase in quality for your buck.. basically.

The plentiful public transportation options are really nice, totally. But sadly, my career choice as a software engineer working in games and/or audio is a) not the best match for NYC's job market, and b) requires me to have a car, whether I like it or not, due to the potentially weird hours.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like it so much I'm going to get married there in April next year, in Central Park (weather permitting!) I want to find a nice picture of NYC, preferably with the park in it, (but identifiably NYC) for my invitations. Any ideas where to get one?

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 07:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Definitely not the internet, honest.

I'm sorry, that's totally rude, I haven't had any sleep yet.

I CLAIM ROSALIND RUSSELL AS ME.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

It ain't as easy as you'd think Ally, we've ben looking for the right picture for a week!

chris (chris), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/r_gillanders/CPRJG.txt

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I rather like that.

chris (chris), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Central Park is one of my favorite things about living here. It's like a nature hike for ADD kids -- the park's much more long than it is wide, so no matter where you are, you're never far from an exit.

There's ice skating, a zoo, a duck pond, a reservoir, free concerts in summer, hot dog and ice cream vendors, drug dealers around every corner... I mean what more could one want?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's fantastic! It'll go with everything!

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry, that was a bit nasty of me

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean what more could one want?

Rapists? Yeah, we've got that.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh dear.

chris (chris), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

hey, did you actually get to see the image I posted?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

to answer the original, classic. its my favorite city in the USA...
my feelings on the others:

DC & Boston: I sometimes feel like these cities are a little full of themselves. I always get a sense while visitng these places that a) there are less "hip" people and b) they hold their hipness over everyone else's heads. NYC feels less like that to me because, really, nobody gives a shit about the pretentious airs you put on.

Chicago: I visited once, to see U of Chicago. I liked the nieghborhood, and if I had had the brains to get in there, that is where I would be. The most amazing moment was flying in at night... the grid system there is so tight that the whole city looks like an illuminated checker board.

SF: Don't know it well enough to say anyting.

LA: I just finished "City of Quartz" and I am now feeling that if I were to move there I would somehow feel complicit in the bullshit goes on there. Of course, my standards for myself are too high like that, so I don't blame LA ILXors.

Anyways, NYC: Its the only place I feel like I fit in without having to change the parts of myself that I like.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gillo - yes, I love it, not sure what Vicky thinks though

chris (chris), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Rapists? Yeah, we've got that.

(but only if you're stupid enough to go jogging alone at night)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

I didn't see the image which is why I was being horrible and sarcastic, sorry

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 14:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just finished "City of Quartz" and I am now feeling that if I were to move there I would somehow feel complicit in the bullshit goes on there.

Hey now! We are the flies in the ointment out here. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 April 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

My dad asked me yesterday if it was okay to drink in Central Park!

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's not a stupid question - public drinking is banned in Glasgow, for example, including in parks. In summer the police take strolls in the park, and make middle class picnickers pour their beaujolais down the gutter. I always found putting booze in related colour soft drink bottles worked a treat.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 14:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

City of Quartz is a very entertaining book but I don't like its hysterical tone--it's much too alarmist for my likings (although that sells books no doubt). I wouldn't let it dampen your opinion of Los Angeles which is in many ways a wonderful, exciting city that I always enjoy visiting.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

well see we're planning a Memorial Day picnic, so if someone knows the answer, I'd appreciate it.

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ok the serious reply: what type of picture are you both looking for?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wouldn't let it dampen your opinion of Los Angeles which is in many ways a wonderful, exciting city that I always enjoy visiting.

it seems like one of those ends vs means questions, and i fall in the middle i guess. i would never not go to an art museum, for example, just because it may have been built under unfortunate circumstances...

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah but even the stuff about how Los Angeles was built -- the oligarchies, the rerouting of the water supply, etc. -- is a little shrill. I mean any city has a lot of dark chapters in its history (some of them not so much dark as just amusing, like the O.T.O.), a lot of exploitation, etc. I fear that Mike Davis would explode if he were to scratch the surface of, say, a large city in China these days. Actually I think Davis is one of those authors who secretly gets off on the very things he's condemning--which actually isn't too bad a starting point for an investigative journalism, but it's not a good ending point.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I fear that Mike Davis would explode if he were to scratch the surface of, say, a large city in China these days.
true, but it is difficult not to take this stance. China isn't generally regarded as a "free country" with democratic values. I tend to think that maybe some authors have to be shrill in order to try to surmount the myths that many seem to hold about America.

Actually I think Davis is one of those authors who secretly gets off on the very things he's condemning--which actually isn't too bad a starting point for an investigative journalism, but it's not a good ending point.
Fair enough... I tend not to be bothered... I am not relying on Davis to actually fix the problems he writes about ;-)

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

He's actually teaching here at UCI these days, I've put stuff on Reserves for him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does he grimace all the time? All of his back-cover photos feature him grimacing.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link


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