New York City- classic or dud?

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That's okay, Amst. It couldn't have been a riposte. A riposte can only follow an attack. :)

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.petersreviews.com/simp03.jpg

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

But you see this is the problem with living in a city of passive-aggressive, sarcastic bastards. You start thinking that every comment carries a hostile undertone.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

everybody in the south is sincere and friendly.*


*this may not be true.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

But you see this is the problem with living

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

But you see this

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

But you see

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

But...

...my only experience in NYC was just a mellow weekend during Easter, when no one was around, and the weather finally became nice. I liked it. I'd like to visit again.

But all my friends here who used to live in NYC tell me sooo many things that make me wonder why in f'ing hell anyone would want to live there... mainly all having to do with the high cost of everything and the only marginal increase in quality for your buck.. basically.

The plentiful public transportation options are really nice, totally. But sadly, my career choice as a software engineer working in games and/or audio is a) not the best match for NYC's job market, and b) requires me to have a car, whether I like it or not, due to the potentially weird hours.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like it so much I'm going to get married there in April next year, in Central Park (weather permitting!) I want to find a nice picture of NYC, preferably with the park in it, (but identifiably NYC) for my invitations. Any ideas where to get one?

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 07:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Definitely not the internet, honest.

I'm sorry, that's totally rude, I haven't had any sleep yet.

I CLAIM ROSALIND RUSSELL AS ME.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

It ain't as easy as you'd think Ally, we've ben looking for the right picture for a week!

chris (chris), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/r_gillanders/CPRJG.txt

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I rather like that.

chris (chris), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Central Park is one of my favorite things about living here. It's like a nature hike for ADD kids -- the park's much more long than it is wide, so no matter where you are, you're never far from an exit.

There's ice skating, a zoo, a duck pond, a reservoir, free concerts in summer, hot dog and ice cream vendors, drug dealers around every corner... I mean what more could one want?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's fantastic! It'll go with everything!

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry, that was a bit nasty of me

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean what more could one want?

Rapists? Yeah, we've got that.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh dear.

chris (chris), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

hey, did you actually get to see the image I posted?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

to answer the original, classic. its my favorite city in the USA...
my feelings on the others:

DC & Boston: I sometimes feel like these cities are a little full of themselves. I always get a sense while visitng these places that a) there are less "hip" people and b) they hold their hipness over everyone else's heads. NYC feels less like that to me because, really, nobody gives a shit about the pretentious airs you put on.

Chicago: I visited once, to see U of Chicago. I liked the nieghborhood, and if I had had the brains to get in there, that is where I would be. The most amazing moment was flying in at night... the grid system there is so tight that the whole city looks like an illuminated checker board.

SF: Don't know it well enough to say anyting.

LA: I just finished "City of Quartz" and I am now feeling that if I were to move there I would somehow feel complicit in the bullshit goes on there. Of course, my standards for myself are too high like that, so I don't blame LA ILXors.

Anyways, NYC: Its the only place I feel like I fit in without having to change the parts of myself that I like.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gillo - yes, I love it, not sure what Vicky thinks though

chris (chris), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Rapists? Yeah, we've got that.

(but only if you're stupid enough to go jogging alone at night)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

I didn't see the image which is why I was being horrible and sarcastic, sorry

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 14:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just finished "City of Quartz" and I am now feeling that if I were to move there I would somehow feel complicit in the bullshit goes on there.

Hey now! We are the flies in the ointment out here. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 April 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

My dad asked me yesterday if it was okay to drink in Central Park!

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's not a stupid question - public drinking is banned in Glasgow, for example, including in parks. In summer the police take strolls in the park, and make middle class picnickers pour their beaujolais down the gutter. I always found putting booze in related colour soft drink bottles worked a treat.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 17 April 2003 14:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

City of Quartz is a very entertaining book but I don't like its hysterical tone--it's much too alarmist for my likings (although that sells books no doubt). I wouldn't let it dampen your opinion of Los Angeles which is in many ways a wonderful, exciting city that I always enjoy visiting.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

well see we're planning a Memorial Day picnic, so if someone knows the answer, I'd appreciate it.

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ok the serious reply: what type of picture are you both looking for?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wouldn't let it dampen your opinion of Los Angeles which is in many ways a wonderful, exciting city that I always enjoy visiting.

it seems like one of those ends vs means questions, and i fall in the middle i guess. i would never not go to an art museum, for example, just because it may have been built under unfortunate circumstances...

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah but even the stuff about how Los Angeles was built -- the oligarchies, the rerouting of the water supply, etc. -- is a little shrill. I mean any city has a lot of dark chapters in its history (some of them not so much dark as just amusing, like the O.T.O.), a lot of exploitation, etc. I fear that Mike Davis would explode if he were to scratch the surface of, say, a large city in China these days. Actually I think Davis is one of those authors who secretly gets off on the very things he's condemning--which actually isn't too bad a starting point for an investigative journalism, but it's not a good ending point.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I fear that Mike Davis would explode if he were to scratch the surface of, say, a large city in China these days.
true, but it is difficult not to take this stance. China isn't generally regarded as a "free country" with democratic values. I tend to think that maybe some authors have to be shrill in order to try to surmount the myths that many seem to hold about America.

Actually I think Davis is one of those authors who secretly gets off on the very things he's condemning--which actually isn't too bad a starting point for an investigative journalism, but it's not a good ending point.
Fair enough... I tend not to be bothered... I am not relying on Davis to actually fix the problems he writes about ;-)

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

He's actually teaching here at UCI these days, I've put stuff on Reserves for him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does he grimace all the time? All of his back-cover photos feature him grimacing.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

There is a law against drinking in Central Park but that doesn't mean it's not okay to do so. I've never seen the law enforced or a brown-bag Chardonnay vendor arrested.

Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've been thinking about New York a lot lately. My comments upthread about SF being full of people who are passive-agressive, smug, don't make eye-contact, etc., still apply. I don't know if I'd have it any better in NY, I dunno at all. SF is pretty, yes. Good record stores yes. Good burritos yes. I just can't meet people here though, and never had that problem before. Obviously not everyone has this problem so maybe it's just me. But maybe not! Grr I want to say a lot more about this, but it's self-serving. I'm relatively sure my work would pay for me to move to SF so we'd have a graphics specialist resident in the NY office, but uprooting myself and starting from scratch again at 35 is a lot to deal with. Oh well, I'll just stay here.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

pay for me to move to NY that is. Anyway, ignore my above post.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

don't make eye-contact, etc.

Yeah, it's funny how that is. I got a lot of weird reactions from New Yorkers at first due to my constant inapproprate eye contact. It was a habit from LA. I mean, you just naturally scope eveyone out and don't even try to disguise it. I didn't even realize how bad I had gotten until I was driving an out-of-town friend around and when I stopped at a light my friend said, "You were totally checking that guy out, weren't you?" and I knew exactly which random pedestrian my friend was talking about.

In New York that same amount of eye contact means "I am going to date and/or kill you" so I guess I stopped doing it as much.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 23:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, can you tone it down a little? sheez.

hott mlb pitchers (gygax!), Thursday, 17 April 2003 23:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I kinda did that to a girl yesterday on the street and got a little freaked when she peeped me back just as intensely.

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 23:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Being secretive about your crushes is totally fucking lame, it's way better to announce loudly to everyone you know who you like, and then have them embarrasingly state for everyone in the world what your interests are.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 00:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I work in real estate. There are plenty of deals out there, the problem is that there aren't people willing to do the research and effort to secure them.

Ally can I email you with a few questions?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 18 April 2003 02:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you want, though I guarantee no answers. Besides "all signs point to yes", I tend to consult the eight ball when confused.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 02:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think if someone wanted to make lots of people happy, they would announce to everyone in the world that they have a crush but not say who it is, so everyone could imagine that they are the object.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a crush.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I go home to Virginia I'm a binge eye-contacter. I totally love to do it and I stare at EVERYONE. And when I drive around I do the finger wave to every car and they ALL wave back. I'm like the slow kid who always asks truckers to honk their horns.

I have a crush.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

It may be a little late for me to attempt that crush strategy...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have crushes by the score.

Actually, being the perverse mofo that I am, I'm tempted to put it more crudely. But I'd better not.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a crush (on one of dee ladeez in this thread)

oops (Oops), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yanc where in VA are you from? I'm from the Va Beach Chesapeake area and then C'ville later. I remember when my best friend and I would drive around whenever we pulled up next to another car that happened to have guys in it she would always do the electric window roll down on my side so of course when I would look at the window it looked like I was totally checking them out and then I would freak out but I couldn't get the window back up because she would lock the mechanism.

Carey (Carey), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link


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