Fuck over hopping, fuck this stupidity really hard.
― Ed, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 16:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Quote very much OTM.
yeah i'm glad to see there is some pushback on this hop thing.
this is my new favorite beer, very tasty and smooth!
http://soheil.callage.com/photo%20Galleries/Beers/images/Netherlands-Tilburg%20Brown%20Ale.jpg
― any major some dude will tell you (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link
the new New Yorker hasn't arrived in my mail yet but the podcast teaser about the beer article is worth listening too (probable obvious overlap with article)http://www.newyorker.com/online/2008/11/24/081124on_audio_bilger
― Fulminating Darkness (Kitties!!!), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
dude, Ed, some people like really hoppy beers. I like them once in a while. Nobody is forcing you to drink them. What's the big deal?
― askance johnson, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I like some hoppy beers - but I think that those IPA-style beers have become almost synonymous with American micro-brew, to the point that if you go to a beer store with a "good" selection, you will find dozens of variations on a single theme, but not much variety outside of that. But hey, if that's what people want... I guess the IPA-style beers are sort of the equivalent of Starbucks coffee. The typical Starbucks dark roast flavor signifies "gourmet" in coffee much the same way as hoppiness signifies "gourmet" in beer - to the point that people who style themselves as connoisseurs forget that good coffee can also be medium roast, or that good beer doesn't have to be loaded with hops.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:19 (fifteen years ago) link
^real talk
― any major some dude will tell you (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks for that New Yorker link. Good article if only for understanding how the personalities of the brewers drive their companies. Everything Brooklyn produces is consistently pro but not revelatory, while Dogfish is wildly hit-or-miss.
x-post oh yeah and there are a couple good American IPAs and a ton of really bad ones.
― vampire baseball (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know, there are plenty of great pilsners and stouts and wheat beets and whatnot being produced. Most of the brewers that make the super-IPAs also make other quality beers too.
― askance johnson, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
ha i feel like im living on a different planet from you guys--the stores i go to have as many IPAs and other hoppy beers as they do stouts & whatever else--then again i like hoppy beer so finding it in a fridge doesnt fill me with insane rage
― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link
stores I go to in DC are usually like IPA SECTION, IPA SECTION, IPA SECTION,BELGIAN SECTION, CORONA ET AL SECTION, HEINEKEN ET AL SECTION OTHER AMERICAN CRAFT BEERS SECTION (YUENGLING GOES HERE)
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I know what m@tt means--it's like if you're going to "make it" as an American craft brewer you are obligated to share your vision of the IPA with the world. My local store has a ton of these random-ass breweries with obnoxious labels telling you how much ass their IPA kicks.
Nevertheless this thread has inspired me to go there tonight and pick up some silly American craft beer.
― vampire baseball (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.dogfish.com/brewings/video/palosanto.htm
wow this stuff!!
did we havea thread already talking about burkhard bilger's piece in the nyer food issue? my corner store bro says they've been moving quite a bit more DH product since. "who reads the new yorker?" internet, dogg.
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 05:37 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/24/081124fa_fact_bilger?currentPage=all
+ budweiser american ale. I tried this (like, the free sample tumbler they give you at the bar, because it was on draft at one of our locals) and it's really not that far a stretch from a regular sam adams. I see two outcomes for this:
1. when I go to ballgames, there is an outside chance that one of the roaming hawkers will have something in his or her tub that I might deign to drink, since everything's $7 anyway and really fuck roaming around the tunnels to find the one or two kiosks selling IPA in plastic cups
2. bud drinkers in the boonies might try it, like it, and then end up moving on to drinking anheuser-busch's competition - real sam, or whatever other stronger stuff than the weaksauce american pilsner that's everywhere.
I really don't see anybody who's already drinking sierra nevada or whatever deciding that all of a sudden this stuff is their preferred adult beverage. the distribution oligopoly and consistency of output are the pillars of busch-inbev/millercoors' dominance - trying to get a wedge in against craft brews (cf michelob's new wide range of stuff nobody cares about) is a rather ridiculous misunderstanding of your role in the marketplace
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 06:10 (fifteen years ago) link
(the best point in the bilger article, which I think is made by Garrett Oliver from Brooklyn, is how this is all the fault of Prohibition - I'm personally biased in favor of any argument that blames stuff that sucks on bad legislation made by stuck-up churck dickheads, but it seems quite valide - that a whole generation of Americans grew up not knowing what a real drink could taste like, and therefore the wussiest of frothy pisswater beers around became the common denominator)
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 06:13 (fifteen years ago) link
(apparently a single serving of palo santo marron is plenty enough to fuck up yours truly's typing)
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 06:14 (fifteen years ago) link
the (now award winning! etc etc) barons black wattle ale comes highly recommended from me
― thereminimum chips (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 06:26 (fifteen years ago) link
what is the preferred cooper's offering for winter months? I realize it is brewed in opposite country but I'm looking for something a little more amenable during these terrible, awful, no good very bad months
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 06:27 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't really drink coopers much so hard to say - their stout and brown ale are both very nice though and would be winter-appropriate
― thereminimum chips (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 06:29 (fifteen years ago) link
that article is terrific--there is/was a big storm brewin over on the beeradvocate forums cause oliver felt like he was misquoted (or not properly contextualized) w/r/t his quote about hops and salt. the writer shows up to defend himself, and so does calagione, just to bask in the glory i guess.
its funny because i dont think oliver was particularly poorly represented--he sort of comes off like a pompous ass, but like a smart, and basically right, pompous ass. calagione just looks like a fun bro to hang around with which is probably why the article is about him (also wacky beers are way more fun to write about)
― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:39 (fifteen years ago) link
http://beeradvocate.com/forum/read/1632647
awesome link thanks max!!
It's true, I do find the term "extreme beer" to be irredeemably pejorative. That's my opinion. You are welcome to yours. We won't be discussing it here yet again - that would be boring.
garrett oliver rules
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 06:40 (fifteen years ago) link
fingers xd that bilger decides to make a book out of brewery stories
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 06:59 (fifteen years ago) link
is it hard to find dogfish in places that arent near delaware
― eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I am drinking beer in the new era
― smooth challoperator (cozwn), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link
grolsch weizen is my shit recently. not as tart as erdinger, not as banana-ry as franziskaner, just so crisp and rich and endlessly drinkable. the best wheat beer i think.
― rio (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I live 2,636 miles from the Dogfish Head brewery and can always get the basic ones.
― a better command of the mummy language (joygoat), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Dogfish is in Delaware? I'm picturing this brewery in between of a bunch of fake nominal bank offices.
― ichard Thompson (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link
― eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Wednesday, December 24, 2008 4:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no its all over
― choom gangsta (deej), Thursday, 25 December 2008 06:33 (fifteen years ago) link
I finally had a chance to try Leinie's Fireside Nut Brown the other night at a party, and I am not feeling it. Way too sweet for my taste. I think Leinie's is doing this with all their "boutique" beers, though, upping the HFCS content and making them almost an alcopop to increase sales among the masses. Original is still unfadeable, though, imo.
I had a Boulder Brewing Co. "Hazed and Infused" dry-hopped ale at the same party, and it was pretty good. Horrible hippy-dippy tie-dyed label design, though.
― ┃♜ฺ│♞ฺ│♝ฺ│♛ฺ│♚ฺ│♝ฺ│♞ฺ│♜ฺ┃ (dan m), Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link
dogfishhead is some srsly ghastly shit and epitomize everything thats wrong w/the world pretty much
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link
guys no one sells dogfish anywhere in minnesota :(
i asked the beer store guy about it and he said that dogfish head had some beef with their MN distributor (since gone out of business) and has basically refused to do business with anyone in the state ever since
what the hell
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
u r so rong, jho, i am questioning our relationship
― ice cr?m, Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
botched trolling attempts #34
― choom gangsta (deej), Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
microbrews generally and in particular this dogfishhead poop are on some no style bro culture bullshit completely - yah just throw some more ingredients in there bra good idea - the new yorker article on this fool made me puke over n over
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:53 (fifteen years ago) link
srsly xp
― ┃♜ฺ│♞ฺ│♝ฺ│♛ฺ│♚ฺ│♝ฺ│♞ฺ│♜ฺ┃ (dan m), Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link
challop-y
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link
this is like the time you said you would never step in the smoke joint because they had a dish called "brooklyn wings"
― eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link
look @ how fucking hideous their packaging is http://www.jaygaulard.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dogfish-head-chicory-stout.jpg
fuk these no taste fools
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link
no style bro culture bullshit
beer marketing 101
― ┃♜ฺ│♞ฺ│♝ฺ│♛ฺ│♚ฺ│♝ฺ│♞ฺ│♜ฺ┃ (dan m), Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
the smoke joint and dogfishhed inhabit exactly the same 0% artistry 100% bad ideas niche
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link
ya, thats why i said its like that time
― eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link
have u ever considered that.... u mad?
i am totally mad at things like this yes
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 28 December 2008 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd venture that 95% of microbrew packaging is horribly ugly, you gotta get over that or you'll never drink anything. Though the Boulder Brewing Co. stuff is like the worst of the worst - I can get over stupid weed references or tie-dyed shit but not both at once.
― a better command of the mummy language (joygoat), Sunday, 28 December 2008 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
also 95% of the beer inside tastes bad
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 28 December 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
WTF is "Wet hop"? Some new rap subgenre?
http://www.sierranevada.com/beers/harvest.html
― UEK - Big Tempin' (Oilyrags), Sunday, 28 December 2008 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't mind the dogfishhead IPAs, but i'd rather drink stone. the raisin d'etre beer by dfh is AWFUL and turned me away from trying any of their other whacky brews.
― ian, Sunday, 28 December 2008 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
my fave ipa - http://www.accent-art.com/RACER5B.gif
― eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Sunday, 28 December 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link