the big sleepthe third manstrangers on a train
outside of the definition i have to include
rififile cercle rougechinatown (my favorite noir, period.)the long goodbye
― todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago) link
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― udu wudu (udu wudu), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link
I especially recommend the Anthony Mann triple-threat of T-Men, Raw Deal, and He Walked By Night
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago) link
― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago) link
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― jazz odysseus, Friday, 9 April 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago) link
French - Bob le Flambeur Band of Outsiders
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― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 April 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Saturday, 10 April 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link
I think the first noir was "Stranger on the Third Floor," 1940, RKO.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 10 April 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
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― jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Monday, 10 May 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link
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― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― frankiemachine, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
In any case, frankiemachine, I would have thought you would have mentioned The Man With The Golden Arm, although I guess that's not a noir per se.
― Redd Temple Player (Two Headed Dogg) (Ken L), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link
common '50s noir police descrip: "white American male"
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
Brick was a more accurate translation of just about every Raymond Chandler book I've read then any Film Noir I've seen, including say, The Big Sleep or Murder, My Sweet.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm such a dumbass for only now realizing it refers to the shadows in the film.
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― David Orton (scarlet), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link
I have the urge to rewatch Douglas Sirk movies, and started with Lured (1947), the only one (easily) streaming. It’s described some places as a noir, but really really isn’t, by any measure. Lucille Ball is fantastic in it! It’s very well directed, naturally, though somewhat choppy…Anyway, the guy who wrote the screenplay, Leo Rosten – who sounds like a very interesting character (among many other things, he apparently coined that famous definition of “chutzpah”) – also provided the story (not screenplay) for a slightly earlier film with Ball – The Dark Corner – that one a true noir, it sounds really good, I’ll have to watch it soon.
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Saturday, 6 January 2024 07:22 (four months ago) link
…watching The Dark Corner now. Maybe I’m not in the right headspace, but it’s rough going… stilted, low-budget, dull.
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 05:02 (four months ago) link
most noirs low-budge tho, i thought dark corner was solid of its type but maybe lucy in a different setting doing a lot of the work"The film earned $1 million at the box office, less than the $1.2 million cost of production"not even that cheap by 1946 standards, 20th Century Fox B Movies do tend to look a bit anemic compared to the other big studios back in the day
― buzza, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 06:18 (four months ago) link
Yeah, maybe “cheap-looking” is a better descriptor…
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 06:30 (four months ago) link
Aw man, I’m sorry you didn’t like Dark Corner. I thought it was suitably shadowy and pulpy. Mark Stevens (who I don’t recall seeing in any other films) was good, Lucy is of course spunky, and William Bendix and Clifton Webb lend good support. I’ve watched far worse.
― Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 03:29 (four months ago) link
Is there another corner of cinema that gets explored so thoroughly as noir does? I think of noir and westerns as relatively equal parts of the classic Hollywood era, but in terms of say boutique label box sets noir has westerns beat so hard it ain't even funny.
Is the fact that it's not a "real" genre and thus you can explore further afield part of it?
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 10:50 (four months ago) link
Fedoras have retained cultural relevancy longer than Stetsons
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Smoking vs. chewing tobacco
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― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, January 10, 2024 10:50 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
I wonder if another way of thinking about this is 'is there a competing aesthetic within american cinema of this period that holds a similar status as diagnosis of social and political neuroses?' I wonder if a tentative answer is screwball but that is more tightly bound to genre than noir is and relies on a kind of 'success' in a way noir doesn't. just a thought.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:32 (three months ago) link
Screwball and noir don't overlap really in terms of chronology, screwball p much done by the time noir comes around so they're diagnosing v different societies I think.
The western would once again lend itself to this kind of lens but I guess a lot of it, "psychological westerns" and such, register as noir to some extent.
Of course in the 50's you'd also have sci-fi, not really a fair comparison in terms of the talent involved but certainly another niche that has been deeply explored.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:43 (three months ago) link
Yeah, I think noir casts the biggest, um, shadow.
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:46 (three months ago) link
I Wouldn’t Be in Your Shoes, now on Criterion, is my kind of noir: pulpy Poverty Row murder mystery based on a Cornell Woolrich story, with a no-name cast (Don Castle and Elyse Knox) and where “Depressed and anxious, Tom impulsively throws his only pair of tap dancing shoes at howling cats outside his window” is a salient plot point.
― Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 15 February 2024 05:44 (three months ago) link
spent the past week or so watching a bunch of noir moviesdelights included these first-time watchesDetour (1945)I was middling on this until Ana Savage shows up and then hot damn boys we got us a movie. Super great. (Neal is a bit of a nothing though tbh?)In A Lonely Place (1950)Never seen Bogart play a character so menacing & unlikeable. Top shelf. Awesome twist at the end, so bleak. Ugh! Love. Based on novel written by dorothy b hughes who I am definitely going to seek out. Ride The Pink Horse (1947)Um is this the most perfect noir I’ve ever seen? Maybe. So grim & taut & the dialogue is crisp & funny, supporting actors are all terrific. Goddamn what a movie. Also this is another based on a novel written by Dorothy B Hughes, who promises to become my new favorite author based on this output.
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:07 (yesterday) link
The novel In a Lonely Place is vastly different from the film but very much worth reading, it's a little disorienting to read if you go in with any expectation that it will line up with the film, but I think both are brilliant in their own way.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:24 (yesterday) link
Interesting. Have always wondered about that one.
― Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 21:18 (yesterday) link
There is also the song by The Smithereens, which relies heavily on the film's catchphrase:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlOVlqUcB8A
― Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 21:20 (yesterday) link
Dorothy B Hughes is great!
― ian, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 21:28 (yesterday) link
Read another Arthur Lyons novel in his Jacob Asch series, and seems to me there's been some missed opportunities to make a particularly feverish, sweaty, nightmarish 1970s set private eye film based on one of those.
Good reminder that I'm overdue to watch Ride the Pink Horse.
― omar little, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 22:12 (yesterday) link
The novel of IN A LONELY PLACE is even more bleak than the film.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 30 May 2024 00:52 (ten hours ago) link
IALP is diffused a little for a having a protagonist/antagonist named Dix Steele.
"Hi! Dix Steele, meet I.Ron Johnson..."
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 May 2024 01:49 (nine hours ago) link
xo to Omar -
iirc, Lyons was involved with a major film noir festival, so I bet he would have loved to see an Asch novel on film.
― ian, Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:04 (nine hours ago) link
I read the plot summary for the novel of In A Lonely Place & my reaction was “100% Veg-bait”i mean: a serial killer moonlighting as a crime writer? sounds like a fever dream <3
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:25 (nine hours ago) link
The novel of In a Lonely Place is SO GOOD!
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:29 (nine hours ago) link
:D
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:34 (nine hours ago) link
my local library has three of her novels on the shelf so i will def be grabbing those in the next day or two.
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:37 (nine hours ago) link
The novel is excellent and is definitely in that 1940s/50s sub-genre of "the bad or mad guy is the protagonist", ie Jim Thompson, Patricia Highsmith etc. Another great one in that category is "Beast in View" by Margaret Millar.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:42 (nine hours ago) link
ooh thx for the rec
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:54 (eight hours ago) link
― ian, Wednesday, May 29, 2024 7:04 PMp-
still going strong, just celebrated 25 years!
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/palm-springs-film-noir-arthur-lyons-festival-25th-anniversary-1235992647/
― omar little, Thursday, 30 May 2024 03:23 (eight hours ago) link
i keep my ear to the ground for these things normally, but events have had me distracted. gonna be on it for 2025, i hope. might make a desert trip.
― omar little, Thursday, 30 May 2024 03:24 (eight hours ago) link
After Dark, My Sweet (James Foley, 1990) is probably my favourite neo-noir and the best Jim Thompson adaptation to date, just a hair above Serie Noire (1979). It really captures the bleakness and sadness of his novel, and it has career-best performances fromJason Patric, Rachel Ward, and Bruce Dern
― beamish13, Thursday, 30 May 2024 04:29 (seven hours ago) link
There’s a certain famous band who would lazily look at a calendar for a local repratory folk theater when they needed to come up with song titles and this gave us classics like In a Lonely Place, Cries and Whispers, Thieves Like Us, Age of Consent etc
― dan selzer, Thursday, 30 May 2024 11:32 (ten minutes ago) link