i think part of it is that most brits and americans know jack shit about east germany and so this film functions as a de facto history lesson whether it likes it or not; it fails in this regard i think, but it's not fair to look at it only from that pov
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:03 (fifteen years ago) link
my biggest complaint: no musical numbers
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:12 (fifteen years ago) link
which is where "top secret" really pulls away from the pack
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:13 (fifteen years ago) link
this movie really needed Omar Sharif.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 19 June 2008 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link
And Hildegard Knef.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link
most brits and americans know jack shit about east germany and so this film functions as a de facto history lesson
right, and I think it's especially cheeky to complain about the treatment of the protagonist here when like 2/3rds of the entire anglophone cinematic tradition is about those colorful rapey blood-soaked sociopaths who built our respective countries into what they are today, america esp. with all them westerns (also I finally watched gangs of ny lol)
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 June 2008 16:55 (fifteen years ago) link
i complain about those too!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
though the usual western trope is the exact reverse, right? the law-abiding man of peace who circumstances force to become a killer in order to protect his family/town/etc
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link
"You are a good-looking boy. You have big, broad shoulders. But he is a man. And it takes more than big, broad shoulders to make a man."
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link
what the fuck does this have to with the fact that the protagonist's evolution into a Rilke-loving quasi-softie is convincing?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 19 June 2008 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
I saw it. I liked it, though I had a little more trouble with the believability of Dreyman, rather than Wiesler.
― clotpoll, Thursday, 19 June 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
fukk all y'all i CRIED REAL TEARS at the end of this
― Just got offed, Thursday, 14 August 2008 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link
so this is showing on the big screen here soon - worth seeing? didn't want to go through the thread for fear of spoilers. should be noted I'm not a big fan of calculated shmaltz (I did cry in theaters during A.I. though)
― 囧 (dyao), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 09:52 (fourteen years ago) link
it's pretty good, looks really nice, and obv the historical setting is fascinating. but maybe leave 10 mins before the end if you don't like schmaltz :)
― jabba hands, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 09:57 (fourteen years ago) link
haha - not sure how the people I would be seeing it with would take it. I'll tell them I need to make some stock trades
― 囧 (dyao), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 09:59 (fourteen years ago) link
yes it's good. leave when they stop steaming envelopes because maybe you are allergic to envelopes.
― wmlynch, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link
i liked this a lot, saw it in the cinema and really loved it until the end, which is pretty shit. But apart from that enjoyable.
― Pedro Paramore (jim), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link