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I knew you'd come through, Kevin.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

jenny, i WILL rock 'n' roll

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

And now I have Def Leppard stuck in my head. There are worse things, I suppose, since it's Pyromania-era Def Leppard and not that horrible Hysteria record. Def Leppar really went down the tubes after Rick Allen lost his arm.

SORRY BUT IT IS TRUE.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

who knew all their talent lay in that dude's left arm?

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I have actually given this some thought. I think that to accomodate the loss of Rick Allen's arm, Def Leppard had to rely on synth drums. That meant that they had to change their entire sound because the rock and roll of Pyromania just didn't work with synth drums, at least not as they sounded in the late 80s. So the band had to build a new sound around the synth drums and you get the turd known as Hysteria.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't remember hysteria very well but i loved pyromania.

― JuliaA, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

That theory works except that Hysteria is not a turd.

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys all had jean jackets with metal band names stenciled on the back in black marker in middle school, didn't you?

― dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes but I had to sneak it out of the house and change into it on the bus. I wasn't allowed to wear my skull & fishbones shirt to school, either.

― Laurel, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, at that blizzard show that the Fake Fix did at the Ice Fac, did you guys do a Def Leppard cover or was it another band?

"Bringing on the Heartache" - that's a good one. High 'n' Dry?

― Eazy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, High 'n' Dry. I love that song.

Alright, Kenan. Defend Hysteria. I've had this argument with Jeff a number of times. He's on your side but has failed to convince me. Here is your opportunity to weild your lofty rhetoric full blast. (Rule: You can't say that if I don't like Hysteria, there is something inherently broken in me.)

― Jenny, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

18 MILLION COPIES SOLD.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

my denim jacket had 1/2 buttons and an iron maiden patch on it. i always thought the black sharpie thing was stupid. but 1/2" buttons and an iron maiden patch wasn't so go figure.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess caps don't help an argument, do they?

― Eazy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"Hysteria is one of only a handful of albums (and the third in rock history) that has charted seven singles or more on the US Hot 100: "Women" (#80), "Animal" (#19), "Hysteria" (#10), "Pour Some Sugar On Me" (#2), "Love Bites" (#1), "Armageddon It" (#3) and "Rocket" (#12). It remained on the charts for three years and has sold 18 million copies worldwide."

― Eazy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know... how many albums did Michael Bolton sell? And are you willing to argue that anything he's released is as good as or better than Pyromania?

My jean jacket had a flower with a yin yang in the middle of it airbrushed on the back.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

But see, "Women" and "Rock It" were essentially the same song. As were "Hysteria" and "Love Bites." So that doesn't count.

Compare Love Bites to Photograph or Brining on the Heartache for pure rock ballad awesomeness.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I had no jean jacket. But, I had a field jacket with spikes and patches from various UK anarcho-punk bands that scared people (including me). I was pretty punk rock for a professor kid from the middle of nowhere. SMASH THE FUCKING SYSTEM etc etc

― dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

"Women" (#80), "Animal" (#19), "Hysteria" (#10), "Pour Some Sugar On Me" (#2), "Love Bites" (#1), "Armageddon It" (#3) and "Rocket" (#12).

if i were in a car and any of these songs came on the radio i don't think i could move fast enough to change the channel. i would endanger myself and the other motorists around me if need be.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

except maybe animal, if i had 3 or 4 beers and was feeling ironic. if i had 6 or 8 beers i'd probably get surly.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

FWIW, I can't stand Def Leppard at all.

― dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, and by the way, when i went over to the post office at 9:45 i saw my first robin of the season. SPRING IS NEAR MOTHERLOVERS!!!

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with Kevin. I'd stay with "Animal" and "Hysteria" on The Loop and turn off the others.

However, without those seven songs, there would be no such thing as a lap dance.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

However, without those seven songs, there would be no such thing as a lap dance.

prince nelson rogers, patron saint of the strip club begs to disagree.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

H1dden M1ttens covered "Hysteria," not us.

I didnt' have a rock jacket. However, the cool older kid down the street did tell us which bands to write on our skateboards with Sharpies. I think it was like Cinderella and Whitesnake. Then in college I had a kinda punk rock leather jacket. No pins or studs though.

― n/a, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i had no jean jacket. but i had an army jacket that i wore a lot, a la lindsey in freaks and geeks.

― JuliaA, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys all had jean jackets with metal band names stenciled on the back in black marker in middle school, didn't you?

ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i wore my dad's jacket from when he was in the service. it was made in 1956 and i wore it until it had started to disintegrate in 1999. that was a quality garment.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Alright, Kenan. Defend Hysteria. I've had this argument with Jeff a number of times. He's on your side but has failed to convince me. Here is your opportunity to weild your lofty rhetoric full blast. (Rule: You can't say that if I don't like Hysteria, there is something inherently broken in me.)

HA! It's ok, Jenny... I'm broken, too. But you are wrong on this one. Hysteria is a better album. I don't know how I can construct any solid defense for this, except to say that the songwriting is top-notch, and... JUST LISTEN TO THE THING. IT'S A MONSTER.

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

if i were in a car and any of these songs came on the radio i don't think i could move fast enough to change the channel. i would endanger myself and the other motorists around me if need be.

fair enough, I know it's cheesy. But come on. Have you never been seduced by a manipulative hair metal riff? I have.

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Why would you want someone to pour some sugar on you if you were already "sticky sweet/from my head head head to my feet"?

― n/a, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

no no he is sticky AFTER the sugar is poured. it's a non-linear narrative.

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's a Heloise trick or something.

― dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

can we talk about ZZ Top? I looooove ZZ top.

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

or AC/DC. Either will do.

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

really, it's a song about homemade exfoliants.

― JuliaA, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

2x ZZ. I should listen to Deguello next.

― dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

WHICH I LOVE.

― Laurel, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

DAMMIT DAN, XPOST.

― Laurel, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Heh, sorry. You aren't a ZZ Top fan, I take it? Too bad.

― dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

dan, i can totally ysi deguello. Best one.

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I've got it! My pops is a fanboy, I just ripped all the good ones from him.

― dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I think we're the only ZZ fans Kenan. Or it's lunchtime.

― dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

no, I think we're alone, lunch or not.

First I convert people to Macs, next I start on the ZZ Top.

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

It's good work. It makes me feel good about myself.

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I started on both when I was about 5. Well, they called them Apples then.

― dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Those were the days.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/32/Archie_Bunker_Wikipedia3_003.jpg/149px-Archie_Bunker_Wikipedia3_003.jpg

― kenan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I like ZZ Top! And I like a cheesey heavy metal riff (see: Pyromania love). HOWEVER, Hysteria is short on those riffs and long on... synth drums and rock ballad cliches. I also disagree on the top notchery of the song writing. See: cliches. Also, Love bites? Love bleeds? Ohhhhh kay Joe. Okay.

Not that lyrics were any strong point on any of their previous albums either, admittedly.

I'm with Kevin re: preferring a fiery car wreck over subjecting myself to an entire song from Hysteria. And you have to understand that I had pictures of the whole band over my bed during the Pyromania era.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm with jenny and it's not like cliches can't work, i mean look at judas priest, AWESOME hooks with the rock 'n' roll cliches and it somehow works.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

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