any thoughts on bushwick?

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yuck.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

Haha jesus, sorry.

My take: used to be a wasteland of abandoned factory buildings, starting not to be; get a bike. I have some good friends who live on Varet Street and they paid like $300 a month for the entire floor of a warehouse. They had parties w/like 200-300 people in there easily. Landlord raised their rent to $3000 one day. It's still a deal!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still convinced it's also very much how you carry yourself. Do you walk like a victim? Do you seem like a target? I have a friend who's been mugged multiple times, often in "nice" neighborhoods. Sometimes when I'm walking down the street with him, I want to mug him. But in my many years in NYC, in many bad areas at bad times of night, I haven't had any trouble. The closest I've gotten to being mugged was in front of Boogaloo, so I'd say just avoid all of Williamsburg and North Brooklyn forever. Except for Tommy's Tavern this and next saturday.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

when did you get bugged in front of Boogaloo? I had a fun time there and at El Bohemio a couple weeks ago (didn't know it was such a rough corner).

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

I got mugged one time in Park Slope and actually ended up in a conversation with the guy. He said he didn't like my attitude and I told him I was high so maybe I was paranoid. That loosened him up and he told me that he "ran the drug game" on that block, we should hook up if I ever needed anything. And then he gave me my five dollars back!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

Of course I also got mugged on time about 4 blocks from the Bedford L stop by about five guys dressed in black from head to toe and only escaped because somebody came out their front door at exactly the right time. When I got home it turned out my roomie got rolled by the same guys; knife at throat and gun jabbed in stomach. They got like five bucks. Geniuses.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

one time a friend was walking in Park Slope talking on his cellphone and some dude walked by and pushed him and said "Cellphone faggot!" My friend decked him, then walked away.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

but was your friend a cellphone faggot?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

no, his cellphone is a breeder.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

then that was totally out of the question.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still convinced it's also very much how you carry yourself.

there's an element of that, no doubt, but if someone's out to mug people then there's not any way of carrying yourself that's going to put them off. i was strolling confidently down devoe street in williamsburg on my way to a friend's party, turned the corner onto olive street, and shazam. a guy with gun pedalled up on his bike and demanded my bag. no amount of self-possession or savvy is going to prevent something like that.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

one time a friend was walking in Park Slope talking on his cellphone and some dude walked by and pushed him and said "Cellphone faggot!"

best quote ever

Mary (Mary), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

what you have to do is what Steve Martin used to say. If you're walking down the street and you see someone coming, act crazy...talk to yourself...then throw up on your money. Nobody will mess with you then.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

act crazy...talk to yourself...

people will think you're talking on your cellphone.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 May 2004 17:07 (twenty years ago) link

it was a late-night mugging, in one of the nicer areas.

Pretty sure it wasn't a mugging... evidently someone was after him about, uh, something between them.

Dickerson Pike (Dickerson Pike), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

that's one theory. it's a personal issue for me, but i don't want to get into it.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

I don't get why anyone would CHOOSE to live in Bushwick. The only reason I could see would be monetary, but how much would you really save living there, and is it worth the quality of life tradeoff?

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 14 May 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Bump.

We found a place on McKibben yesterday. How is the consensus two years later? It's about three blocks from the L at either Montrose or Morgan. I've been out there a few times and never had any problems.

snumbers (snumbers), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

we just moved out of bushwick friday. already my life is thousands of times better. we lived two blocks south of mckibben. jon got mugged by the JMZ. the week before we moved, someone tried to shoot a cop on our corner. the stench of the live poultry store and garbage that had been baking in the heat all day wafted in my window all the time. some of our neighbors were really nice, but they were all seemed to hate the neighborhood as much as we did and were very excited that we got to move to a nicer place (the hate may have been directed more at our landlord than neighborhood, but, with shitty neighborhoods come shitty landlords). we found a nicer, cheaper place in actual williamsburg. keep looking, perhaps you will too.

tehresa needs more out of this relationship than she's willing to put in (tehres, Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

see also: PWNED BY BUSHWICK

tehresa needs more out of this relationship than she's willing to put in (tehres, Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

snumbers, i think you're moving into my old building. or the one across the street.

anyway, i was mugged twice while i lived there, tho both involved walking home alone drunk in the middle of the night.

also: if it's the building i'm thinking of, have fun in winter. the windows are all busted and the heat's a joke. also one or all of your neighbors will be in a band that practices in their apartment.

p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

It was 248. I can deal with the noise, but not the getting mugged. I guess if nobody has anything good to say I'll pass on up-and-coming Brooklyn.

snumbers (snumbers), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

the problem with that row of "lofts" is that, to a crook it's like "here be sitting ducks" place. Other parts of Bushwick are more chilled-out, but it helps to be as near to the subway as possible, or to have a car/bike.

Alicia Titsovich (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

tell me you don't have a problem with the noise when the pentecostals are preaching outside your window and singing terribly until 11 pm and then all night garbage trucks and chicken deliveries wake you up until finally in the morning the salsa music starts up again. and oh yeah, it's the SAME song on repeat ALL day EVERY day.

tehresa needs more out of this relationship than she's willing to put in (tehres, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

sexydancer's otm on everything. The hipster dorms are a giant, easy target. So many marks in such one handy location. I moved a couple blocks over into a normal apartment above a sporting goods store and wasn't bothered for the next couple months i lived there.

the salsa music all day is grating, yes.

p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm sure the mugging target thing is true near the lofts, but my experiences listed above were from a normal apt, not fancy new loft.

tehresa needs more out of this relationship than she's willing to put in (tehres, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Fancy! Ha!

Currently on the hunt for a 2BR off Bedford or Lorimer. Keep your ears to ground, people!

snumbers (snumbers), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"ghetto lasagna"

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

Three years later, any thoughts on the Montrose and Morgan L stops?

Garri$on Kilo (Hurting 2), Monday, 29 June 2009 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Morgan is mckibben lofts aka 20 year old hipster dorms neighborhood but tbh I think I went to bushwick like 5 times total after I moved because I hated it so much so who knows what it's like now?

tehresa, Monday, 29 June 2009 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link

"east williamsburg"

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 29 June 2009 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

they should just call it "east manhattan"

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 29 June 2009 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

West Hamptons

tehresa, Monday, 29 June 2009 07:26 (fourteen years ago) link

east new york is the new bushwick

velko, Monday, 29 June 2009 07:31 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

I know of a few students (NYU, New School, FIT) who have tentatively started to move into the area but all the accounts are so far conflicting. any thoughts?

buzza, Sunday, 20 November 2011 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

I live near the Graham and Grand L stops now and I walk over to the Morgan area occasionally for galleries or to get breakfast at Tina's, and sometimes venture more towards Jefferson and DeKalb stops. I can't say I'd want to raise a family there, but I'd probably have moved there at 23. Still pretty heavy crime, lots of muggings, etc. Obviously the post-college/art school folk have been moving there for years and as long as the rents keep rising all over the city that trend will continue, but I don't know if the kind of expanding gentrification we've seen in the last decade can go on forever. Depends I guess whether there continues to be an influx of rich europeans buying condos, the job market, crime, various other economic factors.

The other thing is that a lot of Bushwick is just ugly, but so is Williamsburg and that's not stopping people.

simulation and similac (Hurting 2), Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

why do you think it can't go on forever? lots of people want to live in a nice walkable city and there are like, 2-3 in america.

iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link

also recall that williamsburg used to be UGLIER and now it's sort of pleasantly undergrown, I guess...

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 9 March 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago) link

those are fair points I guess, but the question is whether there's an endless supply of people with MONEY who want to live in a nice, walkable city.

I guess there are parts of Williamsburg that are "pleasantly undergrown" but I find my part just plain ugly. In the areas that are more condo-ized (Bedford, McCarren Park, etc.) there's at least a kind of fascinating decadence to the contrast between the new luxury buildings and their surroundings. But most days on my way home I just think "why are we paying so much rent to live here again?"

simulation and similac (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 March 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago) link

because you are 5 minutes away from manhattan

iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

willmbrg/bushwick both p ugly

lag∞n, Friday, 9 March 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

geenpoint too

lag∞n, Friday, 9 March 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

greenpoint has some quaint areas

but really all of them are just evidence that the nyc market responds more to context and convenience than the beauty of the housing stock. that's why infill development can be ugly as fuk and still make money.

iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago) link

dont u have like 20 threads on this topic already

lag∞n, Friday, 9 March 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

ya I didn't start this one iirc

iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

just trying to help hurting understand why he is willing to pay so much money to live on the l train

iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago) link

a: 'the l train'

iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago) link

i dont think you have any idea what hes talking abt tbh

lag∞n, Friday, 9 March 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago) link

okay dude what is he talking about

iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link

hes just going *sigh* this place is ugly is there really even a point *kicks rock* then youre all well according to housing density stats blah blah

lag∞n, Friday, 9 March 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link

ahh ok

Treeship, Monday, 18 July 2016 02:02 (seven years ago) link

treeship email me i'm down to play one night

J0rdan S., Monday, 18 July 2016 02:19 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...
one month passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1gUQoJXgAIuSd7.jpg

mookieproof, Friday, 6 January 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Went to Bossa Nova Civic Club last night and were clearly the oldest people by ten years. Fun though. Good DJs.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Sunday, 28 January 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link

I've never been, which shows my relevance and reputation these days.

dan selzer, Sunday, 28 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link

I’d be surprised if we weren’t the only married people too.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Sunday, 28 January 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link

a five-block parameter huh?

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 28 January 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link

I used to feel that way in Bushwick too and I was 26/27 when I lived there man alive

treeship 2, Sunday, 28 January 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link

Also Bunker was very good

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link

i used to live above BNCC lol true story

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:22 (six years ago) link

in fact i lived there when Wale shot the video for "Bad" there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TIIu9CERgI

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:22 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

not really sure where else to post this without feeling awkward, but: our house on lawton street caught fire last week. my roommate's room, our kitchen and living room were totally wiped out, ditto the upstairs kitchen and living room, and every bedroom in the house got at least some measure of smoke and water damage. everybody has had to move out and is in the process of extracting and trying to clean/save anything not blatantly soaked and sooted to the bone. this has not really been very fun in a lightless house with face masks and headlamps. the worst thing of all is that our cat passed away of smoke inhalation, which i really don't even want to talk about. we're hoping it was quick and relatively painless.

i say all this as a preamble to, there is a gofundme for all us housemates (save Shuj4 H41d3r who lived downstairs of me - if you follow him on twitter you know he got his act together sooner to set up a fundraiser [plus had separate additional expenses to deal with] and has also shared this one). i hardly would ask any of y'all internet cats here to donate but please consider sharing, and more in the spirit of ILX, coming out to the bar-room fundraisers this friday! happy hour at marcos (broadway & malcolm x) from 2 to 8 followed by band showcase at The Gateway from 8:00 on. come have a drink, bring your friends, spread the word! i will be the frequently unshaven man wearing stupid hipster aviator glasses.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link

jeezus Doc, what a bummer. hope things go well, fast!

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link

Sorry about your losses. Someone on your page should probably spell Rafael Espinal's name correctly.

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link

ah jeez, sorry doc - that’s awful, especially your poor kitty

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link

fuck

sorry for your cat but really good news that no humans were hurt

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link

thanks, y'all. it's been tough but this has definitely reminded me how many people care and want to help - have not had to worry about places to sleep and stuff like that and that takes a ton of what would be nightmarish stress out of the picture. i was at target to buy a rolling suitcase and some underwear/socks and saw a dumb t-shirt with an "I Get By With A Little Help From My Friends" motif and i was like, right on.

and MV, i'll pass that on to to the guy that set up the gofundme, appreciate it.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link

aw man i'm sorry dc all the best to you, that is awful. im glad you all are safe and im sorry about your cat

marcos, Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link

oh no doc i am stunned and appalled to hear this

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link

damn, sorry man

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 2 March 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link

you all are terrific. recognized a few ILXor names in the donation list and was really touched. y'all didn't have to do all that! <3 <3 <3

still getting by okay. couchsurfing while i work through cleaning/reboxing/purging the stuff that i did haul out of the place. hopefully when that's done there's enough space in my friend's spare room for me to crash while i look for an apartment, but i've also had several other offers of places to stay in march so that's one big worry taken out of the picture.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link

good luck doc - glad you've got people who can help

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link

Best of luck Doctor. Fire and the aftermath is such a devastating thing to have to go through, I know. I'm very glad you've got so many good people around you. Hang in there.

Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

xp to many other threads: shit that could be in the onion, HEY JEWS, poly people, etc

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:11 (five years ago) link

Well that was enjoyable

calstars, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link

very disappointed this does not mention the swords at all after first reference, what would carly rae jepsen think

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:01 (five years ago) link


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