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As ever, if it really was a fascist state they'd know all about it, what a load of self important shit.

Also why is this in a British paper? Why are British people presumably keen to read about America descending into fascism, and more pertinently, shouldn't they be more worried about Britain, since they live there?

People love this sort of stuff when written about America cos it's such a romantic narrative, but personally this is about as bad a form of Americanisation as you can have, the Americanisation of politics and political beliefs. Articles like this are why students here can tell you more about America's great decline than who is running for election in their own constituency.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link

"Threaten civil servants, artists and academics with job loss if they don't toe the line."

erm...isn't this pretty much what happens in every institution on earth?

― Ronan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

"As Americans turn away quite leisurely, keeping tuned to internet shopping and American Idol, the foundations of democracy are being fatally corroded"

Or listening to the Arcade Fire with a Dr Dre t-shirt on, while looking at child porn.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Threaten civil servants, artists and academics with job loss if they don't toe the line."

Artists losing their jobs, yes, who among us doesn't lie awake at night, terror-stricken and in a cold sweat, worrying about that

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry Tom, I'm tuned in to some internet shopping right now.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

fascist isn't a useful word because it gets on people's nerves and they can be like 'oh you're sensationalizing it', where 'it' = 'suspension of habeas corpus' or 'atrophy of cabinet government' or whatever.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there a newspaper version of Godwin's law?

― StanM, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

'suspension of habeas corpus' = "er? you what?"
"FACISM!" = ""shit!"

and hey here's an article on how we (as in UK folks) are losing our liberty too! woo hoo!

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2474442.ece

― acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

"Threaten civil servants, artists and academics with job loss if they don't toe the line."

erm...isn't this pretty much what happens in every institution on earth?

no one threatens the civil servants in this land of the free!

I think tenured academics in America are completely unfireable. Untenured - now that is different.

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Also why is this in a British paper?

You think British papers should only have articles about Britain? This isn't America you know!

― onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

wolf is a bit misguided in her faith in the efficacy of the US academy as a hotbed of activism, but she's not all wrong.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I don't, I just think they should have less articles about America.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

wow terrible writing and worse thinking

― gff, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

creeping authoritiarianism and curtailment of real liberty are the centra, but jesus this managed to say really nothing about our moment or um europe 70 years ago. they're not really the same, sorry! way to change america, gaurdian.

― gff, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

the centra??

-l problems of our time blah de blah de blah

― gff, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Eh, she's got some points but there are all kind of stretches and false parallels made in her arguments. Guantanamo and the secret prisons are really bad but they're not exactly on the scale of gulags in terms of numbers of prisons. Private security contractors are really scary in their own way but I don't see the analogy to brownshirts one bit.

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry, in terms of numbers of PRISONERS

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

actually to backtrack a little i think there are common ways in which authoritarianism works wherever it happens, fine. but after reading so much stuff about how this happens, in specific, from all kinds of people (josh marshall, anne applebaum who i'm totally in love with right now), this just seems really, i dunno, undergraduate.

at this very late date let's at least not give the cats in the echo chamber another OMG DEY SED BUSHITLER AGIN!@#!@# yarnball to play with

― gff, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ffs, how does naomi wolf have any credibility, it's 2007. at least get the other naomi (klein) for this sort of boilerplate shit.

― gershy, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

ANOTHER NAOMI IS POSSIBLE

― gff, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

It's G2, what do you expect???????

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Marian Wright Edelman, the person who coined the phrase "no child left behind" - subsequently hijacked by Bush - says that the US is in danger of becoming an essentially fascist society. I don't know specifically why she says that, though. It would have made a good article.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Hurting OTM, but this phrase,

"...each of us might have a different moment when we feel forced to look back and think: that is how it was before - and this is the way it is now..."

I feel has been applicable for several years. The US is not the same place it was in the 90s as this article demosntrates by being a stretch but difficult to dismiss offhand.

― riche, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The US used to be a "can-do" nation. Ingenuity and stick-to-it-iveness. Now people can barely tie their own shoes without instructions.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Well OK, maybe they can tie their shoes. I am being too hard.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

More OTM than the Guardian piece are Umberto Eco's 10 "general properties of facist ideology" from "Eternal Facism," quoted in the Wiki article that StanD referenced upstream. I especially like: "Pacifism is Trafficking With the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" - there must always be an enemy to fight"; "Appeal to a frustrated middle class" (that one's for you, TomD); and the bit about facism "employing and promoting an impovershed vocabulary." I wonder if any other American presidential administration can approach Bush's for pure volume of catch-phrases absorbed into and perpetuated by the news media? (Viral marketing genius, in its way.)

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

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GM - Tits Ooi

― Dr Pow, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

"Appeal to a frustrated middle class"

Cultivate a resentful majority

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Crrxn: Wiki article that ~~StanD~~ StanM referenced upstream

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

"Cultivate a resentful majority"

Right. I actually don't think Bush's administration has done a very good job on this one. There seemed to be a pretty strong current of anti-immigrationism going on there for a bit (see Minutemen et al), but not anything new (Prop 187--California uber alles), and Bush hasn't really managed to focus middle class resentment on a particularly useful target--I mean, the affirmative action backlash is pretty pathetic from a fascist point of view. If only he could convince us that the jihadists are after not our LIVES but our JOBS.

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I would also recommend Chris Hedges' series of columns talking about how this shit happens w.r.t. the dominionist/christian reconstructionist part, with stuff like fundie leaders advocating this fucked up mixed of the worst aspects of american corporatism, nationalism, all soaked thru with violence. Stuff like Blackwater now functioning as a praetorian guard, these guys saying how you don't need health insurance if you're right with God, etc.

― kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, frankly, I think America's hyper-capitalism ultimately works against any movement towards a specifically fascist form of authoritarian gov't. THE MARKET IS OUR GOD, the gov't exists only to serve it. (Not that it can't employ a few tasty tidbits from the fascist bento box in achieving that aim.)

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Or does capitalism exist to serve the interests of an elitist leadership? Now I'm confused...

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

There seemed to be a pretty strong current of anti-immigrationism going on there for a bit

More bark than bite. Solid majorities across the US are in favor of a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Or does capitalism exist to serve the interests of an elitist leadership? Now I'm confused...

bit of a distinction to be made that a lot of what goes on in America can more correctly termed corporatism, which _definitely_ serves and controls the authorities

― kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

A problem for our authoritarian leaders: How can we mobilize the resentment of the middle class, and still encourage their complacent consumerism? The Cold War was excellent in this respect--how lovely when our enemies are also the enemies of capitalism. Our new "enemies of freedom" lack the appealing specificity of the old "enemies of our system of commerce." An American-way-of-life rhetoric can be brought to bear either way, but I think our middle class might be a little confused at this point about what, exactly, we're supposed to feel threatened by. Thus is our paranoia pervasive, but diffuse.

Luckily, the North Koreans are still communists!

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

how lovely when our enemies are also the enemies of capitalism

Islamic fundamentalists are enemies of capitalism - it's their only redeeming feature!

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"Also, frankly, I think America's hyper-capitalism ultimately works against any movement towards a specifically fascist form of authoritarian gov't. THE MARKET IS OUR GOD, the gov't exists only to serve it. (Not that it can't employ a few tasty tidbits from the fascist bento box in achieving that aim.)

-- crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:14 PM (23 minutes ago)
Or does capitalism exist to serve the interests of an elitist leadership? Now I'm confused...

-- crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:15 PM (22 minutes ago)"

as she says, rightly, fascism was a corporatist/capitalist response to communism. she goes wrong in suggesting communism was kind of trumped up by hitler to scare the voters. the business leaders who funded him felt it was a very real threat. in practice the US doesn't live up to free-market ideology.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"bit of a distinction to be made that a lot of what goes on in America can more correctly termed corporatism, which _definitely_ serves and controls the authorities"

Right, this is a good example of a specific way capitalism can be used to promote the interests of a specific elite (and how clever of the authorities to align themselves with that elite); but I think "capitalism" promotes "elitism" in a more general way--even when corporations aren't the elite.

I'm still interested in how capitalism aligns with fascism, though. In a broad sense, capitalism feeds off (at least the illusion of) individualism, whereas fascism encourages explicit conformity to a unified ideal. This seems like a contradiction. One exception that springs immediately to mind is Japan, which is as rabidly consumerist as America, but not at all caught up in American myths of individualism. (Not suggesting that Japan is a fascist nation...but it makes all the sense in the world that they got in bed with the Germans and Italians in 1940.)

Maybe I'm confusing "individualism" with "individuality."

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"in practice the US doesn't live up to free-market ideology"

Capitalism is a moral system/symbol with great power over the American psyche--it doesn't necessarily accurately describe how our markets work.

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

haha, you haven't been around much, have you? Try to talk to Manalashi a.k.a. Roger Adultery on one of these threads.

― kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"Islamic fundamentalists are enemies of capitalism - it's their only redeeming feature!"

True. But I don't think the Bush administration has done a good job of getting this across to the middle class masses. They hate freedom! Bush would do better to remind us that when he says, "freedom," he means "freedom to pursue our constant consumer cravings." Instead, I think people have a general idea that they hate us because our women wear short skirts. And because we seem to like the Jews. (Sort of.)

Tangent: When did we start saying "the Bush administration?" Did we really say "the Clinton administration" when Clinton was in office, or did that happen after the power exchange (heh heh)? Didn't we used to have presidents, not "administrations?" (I really can't remember.)

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"haha, you haven't been around much, have you? Try to talk to Manalashi a.k.a. Roger Adultery on one of these threads."

I resent this. I've been around plenty.

Oh, you mean around on ILX? Well, no.

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

But why do you ask? Have I wandered into laissez-faire lion's den or something? Are people going to start quoting Ayn Rand at me?

― crazymonkeyfromjapan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahaha, not so much "people" as like "one or two guys and maybe some random asshole troll googler".

Let's just say that there are bigger supporters of rapacious laissez-faire capitalism out there than this board. Take a look around at some of the other threads to get an idea of where we are.

― kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

also something to track, and more and more people are doing this, the dominionist types trying to take over the U.S. military, and what happens when you get the army filled with rightwing authoritarian followers, and of their belief of the righteousness of their violence:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/talk2action/warrior.gif

― kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

don't forget these guys:

http://www.regent.edu/general/about_us/home.cfm

― King Kitty, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Bottom-line: not all bad political situations fit neatly into the rubric of prior bad political situations

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Except that all of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.

Like with Cylons.

― kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

lolz @ Britishers (yet again)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

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he's waiting to see if he has to change it from Hillary to Obama

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

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― and what, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

At what point does:

- Excessive militarisation of civilian life
- Extremely large military
- Incredible traction of flag-waving patriotism as argument winner
- Extremely closed political class, in terms of recruitment and access
- Media in hands of small coterie of corporate interests
- Media very antipathetic to anything looking left of centre
- Very handy pariahs within state and without with added value of actually having had pariahs having done something with USA (as opposed to being people who might do something)
- general decline of political language and general acceptability of some awful things
- general decline of ability to stop gross violations of human rights by the state

stop being things you can identify as common strands of US political life and start to be worrying?

It seems to me like saying something isn't a bolognese, because although it contains meat, tomatoes, wine, basil, garlic, onion etc, all those things have been seen before in meatloaf, wine bottles, chilli etc, which whilst true, doesn't get around the fact that right now, they've all come together and made, er, bolognese.

PS - this is not a thread for discussing bolognese recipes. There's another thread for that.

― The Boyler, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

since almost all of your qualifiers for fascism are dependent on modifiers ("extreme", "very", "excessive", "incredible", etc.) seems to me some definite goalposts need to be set by which those measurements can be made. American history provides those goalposts. Compare the past to today.

Its just tiresome to see "fascism" flung around carelessly because people are distressed about the current political situation, without any in-depth understanding of what constituted the political movements that delineated and defined fascism.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't forget a burgeoning "cult of masculinity", where all those uptight white guys going on about how "Jesus wasn't a pussy"

― kingfish, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

most of your qualifiers are so vague I don't even know what they mean. and you leave out several of the key aspects of fascism - its basic ethnic/racial/nationalist character, its populism and appeal to the "lower classes", etc.

and btw fascism was definitely not constituted by a "closed political class, in terms of recruitment and access" - Hitler was a failed painter, Mussolini an journalist, etc.) Nor does the size of the military have anything to do with fascism (America has long had the biggest military in the world - are you implying its been fascist since, oh, WWII?)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Shakey I kind of agree with you insofar as the second the word comes up, the conversation becomes way too heated and it becomes impossible to focus. Let's just agree that whatever America ends up doing is going to require a whole new word and stay alert to the developments.

And I actually think that Wolf article wasn't that bad at tracking those developments -- its concluding point wasn't that we are now actively fascist, but simply that laws and workflows have been implemented and and actively put into practice, and that given a precipitating event (like another moderately successful attack), whatever the government decides to move forward with will _already_ be perfectly legal and it'll be too late to dismantle the machine. Steps need to be taken now.

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

- Very handy pariahs within state and without with added value of actually having had pariahs having done something with USA (as opposed to being people who might do something)

I don't know what you're saying here.

- general decline of political language and general acceptability of some awful things

A decline from what? The lofty political language of the "Know Nothing" party at the turn of the century? This is so vague, and predicated on their being some mythic point in the past when our political language was more high-minded and eloquent. This past does not exist.

general decline of ability to stop gross violations of human rights by the state

This is also super-vague. Decline of whose ability? The "people's"? Reigning in human rights abuses by the state requires the participation of people WITHIN the framework of the state, to reshape it so those things don't happen. Problem is, in the current political climate of the US, the majority of the people are actually A-okay with Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and torturing people in the name of stopping terrorism. No excessive legal obstacles have been placed in their way - these laws are open to being challenged by the courts (and they ARE being challenged in the courts), the problem is that the majority of the country DOES NOT CARE.

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

laws and workflows have been implemented and and actively put into practice, and that given a precipitating event (like another moderately successful attack), whatever the government decides to move forward with will _already_ be perfectly legal and it'll be too late to dismantle the machine. Steps need to be taken now.

I totally agree with this assessment. I just don't find the deliberate misuse of terminology helpful. Its actually detrimental - cuz it makes the speaker sound like a shrill alarmist (and thus more easily dismissable).

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

another key thing about fascism is its inherent reliance on the cult of personality - the veneration of the leader as the embodiment of the country's ideals. Unless presidential term limits are repealed, its kind of impossible for this to happen in America. Our love affair with Dubya barely lasted 6 years (obviously 6 years WAY TOO LONG but still - its not comparable to the idolization of Hitler, Peron, Mussolini etc.)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

well that's always been Wolf's problem before, but goin' all LOL at her article seems an overreaction as well. I see your point though, discussing these things in a thread with _that word_ in the title helps things gets lost, I should probably move that domestic-operations-of-military-contractors stuff to a Blackwater thread

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― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Blackwater is just the best name ever for that kind of company - so evocative (the River Styx ie the passageway to hell, oil, etc.)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, it can be true that the current bunch of chuckleheads have been busily putting things into to place that perhaps things aren't a fascist state now, but are certainly setting things up for the next time round. As guys like Chris Hedges write, religious totalitarian types need a moment of crisis to come to power. These guy have just been stacking the deck: attacking the notion of an independent judiciary, discrediting science, journalism, and narrowing everything down to an authoritarian set-up. They've been remarkably competent at this; actual governing, no, but setting up this shit, which was their actual goal since they don't believe in public services or representative government, hell yeah.

― kingfish, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

well they're obviously obsessed with consolidating power in the hands of the executive, which is certainly a move towards fascism. combine that with the handy repeal of a couple of amendments and voila Uberfuhrer Schwarzenegger. You know we're in agreement on the current admin's penchant for totalitarian fantasies.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

By pariahs, I'm referring to the Islamic other; US politics, like most countries, have a long history of using some vague ill-defined and overblown threat to justify a more repressive set of policies. Unlike previously, these people have more traction with US voters because they've done something in the US. Instead of being a phantom, they're more 'real' and so more durable and more amenable to being a justification for some bad shit.

By failure to stop human rights abuses, I'm saying that regardless of who has failed - the media/supreme court/congress/people, it doesn't really matter. They've happened and continue to happen, indicating a failure of really quite important counterbalances to actually do anything at all about a quite dreadful state of affairs.

As for language, I wasn't positing a golden age back in the day, merely saying that from where we are know, you notice an astonishing vacuity and vapidity of US political discourse. Fights seem to take place over the most inconsequential points of linguistic definition whilst the bigger picture never gets a look in. The normalisation of this weird hybrid of martial language and management textbook shite looks pretty entrenched with no-one seemingly able to challenge this and find a new way of talking about things.

― The Boyler, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.mises.org/TRTS/18.jpg

― braveclub, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/3/102322/7962

― M.V., Thursday, 3 May 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Has anti-fascism lost its urgency in the eight years since this was published? I grew up with World War II veterans for relatives. My own father was a WWII buff. "Don't be a fascist" was a big thing in my family. Might seem quaint to a younger generation? My own mother was a big proponent of "never forget". Yet on the Internet, I encounter many people -especially younger people - for whom it is more like "never even considered it". Even with a black man in the White House, I think it's important to "never forget".

― Fake Sam's Club Membership (I M Losted), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link

thread title sounds like the evil self-help shadow of

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/419KZWFeBcL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link

http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Fascist

― jmm, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 18:03 (eight years ago) link

thread title sounds like the evil self-help shadow of

Seven Steps to Heaven

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link

modern states' complete fealty to global capitalism makes fascism look p quaint and outdated

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

Our mission statement is the same as it is on the podcast: that people should be able to understand complex ideas and have fun at the same time. All the knowledge. None of the pain.
— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) May 22, 2024

― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2024 08:57 (five days ago) link

'people should be able to understand complex ideas', muses the man who discovered for the first time only months that neoliberalism is a political ideology and not just a slur leftists attach to people they don't like

― katy perry (prison service) (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 24 May 2024 11:49 (five days ago) link

only months AGO

― katy perry (prison service) (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 24 May 2024 11:49 (five days ago) link

Blimey, the person who wrote the article cited at the top of the thread though...

― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Friday, 24 May 2024 20:04 (five days ago) link

Oh, buddy. Ooooof.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 May 2024 20:06 (five days ago) link

never forget

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3GORdkXEAskO9P.jpg

― katy perry (prison service) (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 24 May 2024 20:55 (five days ago) link

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