it's all your fault, apparently.
― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link
playing this w/ glengarry sounds effects was so much fun.
― bnw, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
coffee's for closers sets the tone nicely.
― darraghmac, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link
good thread/poll
― rrrobyn, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I love Boiler Room. Vin Diesel is in it.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean DUH.
Laurel, that wasn't good enough for Find Me Guilty
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link
I've never seen this movie.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link
"Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father. Fuck you, go home and play with your kids. You want to work here, close."
Beating heart of capitalism right there.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link
No "GO TO LUNCH", no credibility.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link
That is not a line in Alec Baldwin's speech.
― n/a, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link
If you want to start a poll of the entire script of GGR, go for it.
― n/a, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3HURJNd0J4U
― kenan, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I've been in corporate "training" sessions in which scenes from "Wall Street" were screened. My protestation of "Don't these guys all go to prison in the end?" was met with stoney silence and shit-eating grins.
― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
I bet a lot of smack-heads enjoy Trainspotting too.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link
sexyDancer, envisioning you subverting corp training has brightened my day, thx dude.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
You didn't specify the speaker in the poll, Nick.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
it is a test
― n/a, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
YOU FAILED
Too late, I already had TWO CUPS of coffee.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
favourite lines from this are pretty much all pacino though
get me a stickagum, nyalshwyahowdachewit.
― darraghmac, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Great poll
I went with the "Hyundai" line, though also was considering: "I'm here from downtown. I'm here from Mitch and Murray. And I am here on a mission of mercy!" and "...the *real* favor is to take my advice and fire your fuckin' ass", the way the sentences flow for the former, and the caustic bite for the latter.
I don't think that because people know or rattle off the lines so well that they necessarily endorse the philosophy. It's a movie like "Goodfellas"...great/memorable dialogue.
― Joe, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
It seems like these lines would just be fun to say, too, like physically.
― n/a, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i've already said teh coffee line once today it was fun!
― rrrobyn, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:57 (sixteen years ago) link
there's a relish people take in them which sort of freaks me out
this speech used to be a HUGE favorite for audition monologues
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link
actorish types secretly want to be killworthy salesmen fux
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
similar skill set
― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Baldwin is great but I think he actually gives the weakest performance in this movie.
-- n/a, Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:12 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link
yeah I kinda feel the same way. great role but he doesn't really kill it the way he does in later roles that demand some of the same things, like The Departed.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
the line i chose was, "These are the new leads. These are the Glengarry leads. And to you, they're gold. And you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you is just throwing them away. They're for closers. "
i like the way baldwin delivers that one.
― omar little, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
i think the "problem" (coz wtf, this is a great scene) there is he doesn't have enough to bounce off -- harris is kind of too weak.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link
"You are a shithead, Williamson" if it were an overall poll, followed by Pacino's "company man" monologue.
Then "fuck you, that's MY name."
Also n/a OTM about the lines just being fun to say.
― milo z, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Lemmon owns this movie. the rest of it is kinda meh.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah lemmon is so fucking incredible in this
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
i couldn't get past his ridiculous attempt at a southie accent.
― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
These have all been committed to memory by every scumbag salesman in every office I've worked in for at leat the past ten years. Oh, irony.
-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:03 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TROhlThs9qY (read the 'about the video' part)
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HURJNd0J4U
― milo z, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link
"what are you gonna do about it... asshole?"
― milo z, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Kevin Spacey is such a goddamned boring actor
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Lemmon's the one guy I don't buy for a minute. Too much acting in his acting.
― Eazy, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Pacino and Lemmon's pas de deux for Jonathan Pryce's benefit is my favorite scene.
Lemmon's good to great, with a couple of ridiculous moments when he does his patented pleading-for-sympathy wheeze that throws me out of the movie: he makes us feel sorry for the character.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:09 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
I didn't mean anything about Baldwin, I think he's great (as I said), I just think basically everyone else in this movie is amazing. I think Lemmon is perfect. His acting style is different, more "actory" then everyone else in the movie, but it works because he's of a different generation, so it makes sense that he's different, less hard and more schmaltzy (as seen when he switches into salesman mode).
― n/a, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 19:05 (sixteen years ago) link
"Lemmon's good to great, with a couple of ridiculous moments when he does his patented pleading-for-sympathy wheeze that throws me out of the movie: he makes us feel sorry for the character."
yeah, cuz god forbid anyone in the film should give a performance that doesnt allow us total & unabashed scorn for his character. where are you coming from here alfred?
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link
That Lemmon gives the same goddamn performance in every serious film but this time it almost fits?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
the character's a sack of shit; that's how it's written.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link
& portraying him as the sad sack of shit that he in fact is makes him a lot more memorable & interesting
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link
and my memory of how Lemmon always does the shirt tugging and bathos and tears in every other serious performance gets in the way.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Could probably have a Best of Mamet poll. House of Games has provided me with some good jokey catchphrases to share with friends, like "Because I *WON* that money from ya baby!"
― Joe, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I love Glengarry, though I've only seen the original Mamet stage version...
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link
you should see the movie
― rrrobyn, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 01:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Ugh "coffee's for closers" is used around here by the sales wankers. AARGH KILL. Still never seen this film, mind.
― Trayce, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 04:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I can see it that way, but I can also see why they think the movie's kind of over the top and unrelatable. Not every facet of being human is especially relatable to other humans (not an especially helpful truism, but it reconciles your and their povs), and in light of that, their questions and comments are fair. Plus, I think they're trying to entertain each other and their audience, so I don't junk it's fair to characterize what they said as grumbling.
GGR's in this class of movie about men that's ostensibly critical of certain male-centric institutions (like the mob) that at the same time seems to lionize some of the worst aspects of those institutions. Upthread morbs makes a comment about the shift in Mamet's politics, and I don't know his work too well, but considering GGR and Oleander, both of which I've read, I wonder if his politics have just calcified (which I think is what Morbs was wondering, too).
Anyway, that doesn't mean that GGR doesn't say anything of value about sales, real estate, the 80s, middle aged men, or capitalism.
― bamcquern, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
The movie also makes statement on importance of coffee imo
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
pretty sure Mamet's language is not aspiring to big R Realism
― Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
none of this is to say i can't understand why you wouldn't like this thing by an unlikeable playwright about unlikeable characters behaving unlikeably
― Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:04 (nine years ago) link
right it's not that i dont get why people wouldn't like it—its obv about a very particular culture (and masculine as it may be, I think its being underestimated maybe cuz the movie focused on men how many women have similar jobs w/ the same pressures—the office I worked in, the leading sales person was female, and the women were often doing better than a number of the dudes) (nb everyone was kind of sad).
but it's the feigned ignorance i guess that bothers me, the "who would live like this" stuff...idk, maybe a guy trying to take care of his daughter in the hospital? an average working person?
finding it tough to watch makes sense, the faux naif thing just bothers me for some reason
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link
the best sales person in the office was a woman—and she was also known for using extra sleazy sales tactics to move the units they needed
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:17 (nine years ago) link
yeah the culture of sales is in no way a uniquely male one, any more than the culture of office (micro)aggression is
― Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:20 (nine years ago) link
and for most people, if you don't think bullying happens in yr workplace, you're probly the bully
― Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
The Wolf of Wall Street seems similarly dated. When I saw it, I thought of all these guys getting rich selling things over the phone, when now no one will pick up the phone to talk to a stranger, let alone their friends.
Daniel Pink has a good chronicle of how sales has fundamentally changed when both parties have access to the same information.
Also, related to D's comment, when I saw In The Company of Men I remember that the pack-mentality reminded me more of groups of saleswomen than men in the offices where I temped at the time.
Glengarry in a very specific way feels of the 1979-80 recession, the same "I got debts that no honest man can pay" of Nebraska, with the same underlying story being that there was no way for a weak-performing salesman to get the leads that would keep him from being a weak-performing salesman.
― the man with the black wigs (Eazy), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:25 (nine years ago) link
this movie is incredibly dated, but i still liked it. needs a reboot/sequel.
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 26 July 2015 01:17 (eight years ago) link
one where the coffee is gritty
― j., Sunday, 26 July 2015 01:22 (eight years ago) link
The timeline confuses me. Roma, Levene etc believe Williamson that he "filed the contracts at the bank" even though it's night when they leave the office and obv no banks are open?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 October 2015 13:35 (eight years ago) link
Ha, I never thought about that.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 25 October 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link
Well, now the clocks have moved over here, it gets dark before the banks close.
― Mark G, Sunday, 25 October 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
Banks in grocery stores used to be open late.
― Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 October 2015 21:09 (eight years ago) link
I doubt Williamson was dropping real estate contracts at a Safeway bank kiosk.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 October 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link
show of hands: how many ilxors in retail have been shown the Alec Baldwin clip by their supervisors?
― niels, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 12:52 (eight years ago) link
Fantastic.
― Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 December 2015 02:25 (eight years ago) link
that is amazing.
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Friday, 18 December 2015 04:24 (eight years ago) link
That's almost too good to be a mere clickbait parody, even as great as clickhole is.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 18 December 2015 04:43 (eight years ago) link
lol at punctuation at 1:20
― weatheringdaleson, Friday, 18 December 2015 05:00 (eight years ago) link
its a labor of love, which all the best clickhole stuff is
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Friday, 18 December 2015 05:35 (eight years ago) link
listen
i got 48 hours to make you a loootta money
― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Sunday, 5 May 2019 23:11 (five years ago) link
will you go to lunch
^ this is the real line to use at work, nm aida or abc
― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Monday, 6 May 2019 00:29 (five years ago) link
Go to lunch, George.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 February 2022 01:46 (two years ago) link
The Machine!
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 February 2022 02:03 (two years ago) link
Don’t think anyone’s mentioned Roma’s burn of Williamson: “Who told you you could work with men!?”
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 25 February 2022 03:32 (two years ago) link
I think about it all the time
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 25 February 2022 03:37 (two years ago) link