I had to stop reading this mid-article to do some other reading up, after that throwaway sentence about Miscavige's wife not having been seen in two years.
― A double shot of Sesame Street (Eazy), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Temple of Underrated Aerosmith
would join this church
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure how reliable this is, but interesting nonetheless:
http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/david-miscavige-“the-adulterer”/
― Darin, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I link on that page leads to this:
She lamented how he would sometimes walk around mumbling, then periodically shouting, “Shelly, where is the gold buried?” She swore she had no idea what gold DM was referring to.
― A double shot of Sesame Street (Eazy), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah that's the bit I really wonder about.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
If you really want to dig around, you'll find conspiracy theories that she's the natural mother of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman's adopted daughter.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
missed ya underrated aerosmith
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Of all of the media on this page:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html
This was always my favorite:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/media_vault/Helatrob.mp3
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Or this one, where LRH predicts the coming of Mad Men:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/media_vault/Nochrist.mp3
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
This is full of interesting stuff, including an apparent quote from Hubbard: "When buildings get important to us, for God’s sake, some of you born revolutionists, will you please blow up central headquarters.”
― A double shot of Sesame Street (Eazy), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
so what will the church do now? maybe i overestimate the importance of the new yorker as opposed to the st. pete times, but this seems like kind of a big deal?
i guess standard procedure is to sue the shit out of conde nast, but between the new yorker's fact checkers and conde's lawyers no doubt having already picked it apart, that seems only slightly more feasible than dan snyder's lawsuit . . .
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Well the FBI is already investigating so...
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
It doesn't say the FBI is actively investigating, does it? Just that the investigation is still open. Maybe that's splitting hairs. But I imagine there are hundreds of "open" investigations the FBI hasn't bothered with in years. Can't imagine this particular pile of crazy-pants is a priority.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Skimmed this thread (and I forgot I gave that St. Petersburgh Times piece upthread -- good reading, but did anyone link to the RollingStone article that came out about five years ago? One of my favorite RS articles ever (I'm sure it's old news to most, but maybe not to all):
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/inside-scientology-20110208
― musicfanatic, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
And again, it's worth reposting that St. Pete Times series of articles for those who haven't read them:
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/
― musicfanatic, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Woah 26 page article.
Normally I wouldn't feel like printing out an article to read on the way home was an abuse of office equipment, but this one took 48 sheets of paper. I punched holes in it and put it in a binder.
It's been said on this thread much before, but this is a fantastic article, and everyone should read it.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
can someone link to it again? i'm too lazy to go into the 400+ other messages
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Suck it up.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Or friend me on Facebook. It's on my profile recently.
what a sassmaster.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright
― Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, I'd have had to look it up, too! Or reload the whole thread. I'm not going to do it just because he doesn't want to. That's free labor.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― polyphonic, woensdag 9 februari 2011 21:39 (Yesterday) Bookmark
And because of that he put Elisabeth 'Peggy Olson' Moss in there? ;_;
(yes, only just now found out, rip etc.)
― La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry kenan, didn't mean to make you cry
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I read the whole thing and enjoyed it but sorta amazed I could read so much and not feel like I'd learned anything new. Maybe just read too many of these by now.
― iatee, Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, I feel that its main function is to lend further credence & exposure to what was already unearthed by the St. Petersburg Times piece(s). Absolutely nothing wrong w/ that though - very well written & assembled. The Tommy Davis quotes vs. contrary evidence/fact-checking is priceless stuff.
― beer, beer, beer (Pillbox), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/10/scientology_friends_dc
greta van susteren? say it ain't so
― goole, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
she hid it and someone revealed it when she left cnn
― a nan, a bal, an anal ― (abanana), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
The Tommy Davis quotes vs. contrary evidence/fact-checking is priceless stuff.
Definitely. The piece was well-edited with a nice big climax at the end. I think CoS's meeting with the New Yorker people was an uncharacteristically bad move for them, but the whole thing seems like a chess match where they're down to their last few moves and are hoping for stalemate at best.
― Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i know! it would help their defense if it wasn't a bunch of creepy controlling thieving bullshit, but, there they are.
i bet if you talked to someone like your parents about these people, the answer would probably be "eh kinda creepy, really expensive, some pseudo psychological self-help crap, dumb celebrities are into it." but now all the wilder stories are being legitimized (maybe overselling the NYer's importance here, but their stuff resonates throughout the rest of the media). like, no really, tom cruise has custom motorcycles built by slave labor in the california desert. the dude's wife got disappeared.
― goole, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/2011/02/08/133561256/the-church-of-scientology-fact-checked
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Halfway through the print version and just wanted to ask, the online one doesn't have any additional content to the print one, does it?
― grand aleutian (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't believe so.
Can't recall, are/were there any ilxors who have defended CoS?
― Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
too lazy to search but maybe a defend the indefensible?
I guess envisioning Isaac Hayes and Incredible String Band jamming together would give me ever-so-slight pause before GTFO.
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
the online one doesn't have any additional content to the print one, does it?
under "related links" there are links to an audio interview with the article's author, plus copies of documents such as lrh's military records
― dell (del), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
copies of documents such as lrh's military records
oh man. that's gotta burn Davis & co
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess envisioning Isaac Hayes and Incredible String Band jamming together..
^ this reminds me: if you missed it at the time & you have a taste for CoS schadenfreude, you really should check out the skewering that South Park did a few years back & also the subsequent 'response' episode to Isaac Hayes leaving the show as a result of the ensuing controversy.
both eps are online in full: http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s09e12-trapped-in-the-closethttp://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e01-the-return-of-chef
― frankly, mr. cankly (Pillbox), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I fuck with the first few post-CoS Incredible String Band records.
― grand aleutian (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
will never forgive these fuckers for essentially working isaac hayes into an early grave.
― I'd rather climb into the saddle of my Ford Mustang and sink spurs (stevie), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
the musical chairs part freaked me out, except
According to Rathbun, Miscavige came to the Hole one evening and announced that everyone was going to play musical chairs. Only the last person standing would be allowed to stay on the base. He declared that people whose spouses “were not participants would have their marriages terminated.” The St. Petersburg Times noted that Miscavige played Queen’s “Bohemian Rhapsody” on a boom box as the church leaders fought over the chairs, punching each other and, in one case, ripping a chair apart.
surely the last person sitting would win a game of musical chairs? is this the most unfortunate misuse of a phrase ever? how did nobody sub this? not criticising just find it amusing.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
last person physically able to stand up and walk to a chair
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
and sit down?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
The weirdest thing is, of all the stories to confirm, the game of musical chairs is one thing Tommy Davis does confirm!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
My favorite part of the South Park episodes was the THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE text
― w/no hesitation (mh), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the last line the best
did they get sued for that? and if not, how did they manage to avoid it?
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
They got threatened like crazy, Tom Cruise refused to do any press junkets on Comedy Central-related stations for War of the Worlds, iirc. I don't think they can sue because the episode really is what Scientologists believe, and the Tom Cruise / Travolta bits are satire.
― w/no hesitation (mh), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Scienlologist
About 4,970 results (0.18 seconds)
― A double shot of Sesame Street (Eazy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Furthermore, says Wright, the notice of separation that the church provided was signed by a man who never existed.
never existed on earth perhaps, but elsewhere ........
― buzza, Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 February 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Won't scroll through the thread to see if it's been posted, but The New Yorker just published an article about Paul Haggis' adventures in Scientology.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 February 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 February 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link