the online one doesn't have any additional content to the print one, does it?
under "related links" there are links to an audio interview with the article's author, plus copies of documents such as lrh's military records
― dell (del), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
copies of documents such as lrh's military records
oh man. that's gotta burn Davis & co
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess envisioning Isaac Hayes and Incredible String Band jamming together..
^ this reminds me: if you missed it at the time & you have a taste for CoS schadenfreude, you really should check out the skewering that South Park did a few years back & also the subsequent 'response' episode to Isaac Hayes leaving the show as a result of the ensuing controversy.
both eps are online in full: http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s09e12-trapped-in-the-closethttp://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e01-the-return-of-chef
― frankly, mr. cankly (Pillbox), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I fuck with the first few post-CoS Incredible String Band records.
― grand aleutian (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
will never forgive these fuckers for essentially working isaac hayes into an early grave.
― I'd rather climb into the saddle of my Ford Mustang and sink spurs (stevie), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
the musical chairs part freaked me out, except
According to Rathbun, Miscavige came to the Hole one evening and announced that everyone was going to play musical chairs. Only the last person standing would be allowed to stay on the base. He declared that people whose spouses “were not participants would have their marriages terminated.” The St. Petersburg Times noted that Miscavige played Queen’s “Bohemian Rhapsody” on a boom box as the church leaders fought over the chairs, punching each other and, in one case, ripping a chair apart.
surely the last person sitting would win a game of musical chairs? is this the most unfortunate misuse of a phrase ever? how did nobody sub this? not criticising just find it amusing.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
last person physically able to stand up and walk to a chair
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
and sit down?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
The weirdest thing is, of all the stories to confirm, the game of musical chairs is one thing Tommy Davis does confirm!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
My favorite part of the South Park episodes was the THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE text
― w/no hesitation (mh), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the last line the best
did they get sued for that? and if not, how did they manage to avoid it?
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
They got threatened like crazy, Tom Cruise refused to do any press junkets on Comedy Central-related stations for War of the Worlds, iirc. I don't think they can sue because the episode really is what Scientologists believe, and the Tom Cruise / Travolta bits are satire.
― w/no hesitation (mh), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Scienlologist
About 4,970 results (0.18 seconds)
― A double shot of Sesame Street (Eazy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Furthermore, says Wright, the notice of separation that the church provided was signed by a man who never existed.
never existed on earth perhaps, but elsewhere ........
― buzza, Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 February 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Won't scroll through the thread to see if it's been posted, but The New Yorker just published an article about Paul Haggis' adventures in Scientology.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 February 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 February 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
A few years ago i dl'ed some Scientology video on The Reactive Mind and becoming a Clear and it was about some guy in a car accident being affected by the things people were saying around him, even though he was unconscious. There's another video that leaked, which is basically just a really generic sales pitch with a few famous faces at the very end. Has any truly crazy Scientology insider videos leaked in the past few years? And no, I mean beside Battlefield Earth ;-)
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 February 2011 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a pretty famous video of Cruise speaking at a Scieno event
― R. L. Steen's HOOSbumps (some dude), Friday, 11 February 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Cannot recommend it enough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMvAXpq7Xj4
― polyphonic, Friday, 11 February 2011 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help.
― frankly, mr. cankly (Pillbox), Friday, 11 February 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit that tom cruise youtube totally comes off as a parody
― just1n3, Friday, 11 February 2011 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
too surreal to be parody imo
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 11 February 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Make sure you get to the part in the third part of the video wherein they heal 9/11 workers by extracting purple fluid from them.
― polyphonic, Friday, 11 February 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
An aside from this conversation: interesting how Tony Robbins has gone from, in his 1980s infomercial incarnation, being cult-ish and mysterious-to-all-but-those-who-pay to being more of a performance self-help guru. He still has similar intense energy as these guys, but without the e-meter.
― A double shot of Sesame Street (Eazy), Friday, 11 February 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
(from the yahoo piece)
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Thank you for a common sense story!. I am a mature and beautiful lady.and now I am seeking a youngman who can give me real love , so i got a username Princes on -----Kiss'C'ougar ℃'○M-------- it's the largest and best club for cougars and young men , i love it ! ---------How do these freaks keep their tax exempt status as a religion? They protect all related literature as a Corportation.. which pretty much nullifies the entire concept of Non-Profit, and they raise their followers in tiers based on how much MONEY they've put into the "church."
Their entire "religion" is from SCIENCE FICTION literature. There is no Faith or Religion to it, only a pyramid scheme.
― I'd rather climb into the saddle of my Ford Mustang and sink spurs (stevie), Friday, 11 February 2011 08:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Cross your fingers!
http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/p-t-anderson-may-have-funding-for-inherent-vice-the-master/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 February 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
megan ellison sounds intersting
http://valleywag.gawker.com/#!337723/megan-ellison-loves-the-ladies-just-like-dad
― goole, Friday, 11 February 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, but repeatedly during that long Tom Cruise thing he alludes to things he 'knows' about the real nature of reality, things only Scientologists know. Makes me wonder if once you get to OT III or whatever it is, they drug you up and take you to a room where you experience some serious planet-hopping shit like from the end of "They Live!"
There certainly seems to be faith in something -- faith in the LRH technologies, faith in the idea that psychiatry is a massive $$$-farming conspiracy, faith in the idea that you have a duty to help others. Certainly no more absurd than weekly cannibalistic rituals and thinking if you believe in Jesus right before you die (not the abstract concept of love & eternity, mind you, only a physical person), you go to heaven.
The conviction in his voice is very convincing. Tho yeah he's 'the greatest actor in the world' so maybe that should be expected. Btw it is pretty bizarre to think according to Scientology rating system Tom Cruise is essentially more spiritually evolved than Jesus or Buddha.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 February 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
..Tom Cruise is essentially more spiritually evolved than Jesus or Buddha.
shhh don't tell Keanu
http://www.corporate-aliens.com/quotes/siddhartha.jpg
― frankly, mr. cankly (Pillbox), Friday, 11 February 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
xp that was the thing about though... he doesn't sound at all authentic in that video, he sounds like he's just another character from one of his movies.
― just1n3, Friday, 11 February 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, like this guy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCEYxs7kWmQ&feature=related
― A Alphabetical Leader (Abbbottt), Friday, 11 February 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
uh basically nsfw for peeps who haven't seen that
The credit for that movie really should read, "Tom Cruise: Himself".
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lol the irony of PTA making a Scientology movie after putting Cruise in Magnolia - I wonder if working with Cruise is what gave him the idea
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
it's weird to me that people claim to be able to tell when an actor is being himself and when he's acting
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I take it as a given that actors are ALWAYS acting
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
ie, they are psychopaths
ime actors are usually a lot more stable in-character than irl
― w/no hesitation (mh), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Everyone is always acting.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/pelican-books/276-1.jpg
― Mordy, Friday, 11 February 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I just looked up the Wikipedia page. Holy crap is it long:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
Tbh at this point i'm more interested in the mystical (or at least cosmological) side of Scientology. Is there an origin to the universe story? Is there a creator? Are they a personal or abstract concept? From my initial impressions it seems like Scientology mainly riffs on reincarnation stuff from things like Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. along w the space aliens, which doesn't really seem all that impressive. You could probably find hundreds of reincarnation/space alien cults in Northern California alone. Why is Scientology so special? Are there any truly original ideas? Or is the presentation as a "science/techology"-based religion the main reason it has found so many fans....?
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
it's special because of the way it's organized, marketed and implemented - its cosmology is basically a really shitty pulp sci-fi book from the 50s.
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
like I don't think the OT III Xenu stuff is really what attracts members. the feel-good mumbo jumbo and promises of improved wealth/health are what get people
guessing it's that plus some really basic "tech" (like the relationship stuff and the study tech mentioned in the nyer article) that show people some early impact. present that as if it's part of a consistent whole and people feel like they've found The Way.
― just woke up (lukas), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
what really intrigues me is the lingo and acronyms -- has a real 50's pentagon/bureaucratic feel. just normal words Capitalized and given this heavy significance.
― goole, Friday, 11 February 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
ha just remembered this shit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Process_Church_of_The_Final_Judgment
― goole, Friday, 11 February 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
In the primordial past, thetans brought the material universe into being largely for their own pleasure. The universe has no independent reality, but derives its apparent reality from the fact that most thetans agree it exists. Thetans fell from grace when they began to identify with their creation, rather than their original state of spiritual purity. Eventually they lost their memory of their true nature, along with the associated spiritual and creative powers. As a result, thetans came to think of themselves as nothing but embodied beings.
I mean, you could more or less find this exact theory among late 19th century Orientalist/Spiritualists.
I totally agree, terminology seems to be very important. Note how much Tom Cruise talks about 'technology'.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I imagine that "auditing" does have immediate positive effects, since it's basically cognitive behavioral therapy. The trouble is the layers of bullshit they pile on top of that.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
And also obviously the slave labor, the beatings, the bankrupting of members, etc etc etc.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link