The perfect thing is that Murdoch's referenced two-thirds through!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
17.24 Mark Lewis, Dowler family solicitor:"It was a private meeting that had been called for by Rupert Murdoch and he was humbled to give a full and sincere apology to the Dowler family."We told him, the Dowler family told him, that his papers should lead the way to set the standard of honesty and decency in the field and not what had gone on before."At the end of the day actions are going to speak louder than words. Thank you."He went on to say, when questioned over Rupert Murdoch: "I think he was very humbled, I think he was very shaken and sincere. I think it was something that has hit him on a very personal level that it shouldn't have happened."Yes, he did apologise, he apologised many times. I don't think somebody could have held their head in their hands so many times to say they were sorry."It was a heartfelt and what seemed to be a very sincere apology."
"It was a private meeting that had been called for by Rupert Murdoch and he was humbled to give a full and sincere apology to the Dowler family.
"We told him, the Dowler family told him, that his papers should lead the way to set the standard of honesty and decency in the field and not what had gone on before.
"At the end of the day actions are going to speak louder than words. Thank you."
He went on to say, when questioned over Rupert Murdoch: "I think he was very humbled, I think he was very shaken and sincere. I think it was something that has hit him on a very personal level that it shouldn't have happened.
"Yes, he did apologise, he apologised many times. I don't think somebody could have held their head in their hands so many times to say they were sorry.
"It was a heartfelt and what seemed to be a very sincere apology."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"Share values keep dropping, you have no idea how sorry I am!"
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
sepukku or he don't mean it imo
― dave lool (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably saving that for Tuesday.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Would be interested to know the size and nature of Brooks' golden parachute.
― natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i have just reached a point where i'm sick of hearing about this. yes please punish everyone who broke the law but i'm just never going to care about it as much as the ppl writing the newspapers obviously (and understandably) do
― tpp, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually thinking about Murdoch being all apologetic to the Dowlers makes me think about the opening of Snow Crash where it's clear the pizza mogul does not like having to go out and apologize for late delivery.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
We've been caught.
The News of the World was in the business of catching other people. It failed when it came to not getting caught itself.
We are sorry we've been caught.
We are deeply sorry for the hurt we as individuals have suffered by getting caught.
We regret not acting faster to prevent ourselves being caught.
We realise that simply apologising won't change the fact we've been caught. But it might start to give the corrupt politicians and policemen we rely upon to look after us an excuse to start looking after us again.
Our business was founded on the idea that if we owned the press we would be immune from being caught. Your vindictive little country didn't live up to this.
In the coming days as we take further concrete steps to try to obscure the issues and limit the damage caused you will hear more bullshit from us.
Sincerely,
Rupert
― frankiemachine, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I am honestly having a difficult time reconciling the amiable hippie I met in passing 15 years ago with modern-day CEO James Murdoch, lightning rod of scorn and hatred.
I mean it's not even like I KNOW know him or anything, just that apologetic rhetoric matches the person I met much more than the allegations swirling among his underlings does.
I kind of wish I'd made an actual connection/friendship there so I could dish more effectively about this
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, we're talking two different Murdochs here, plus lawyers/PR people, so...
Meantime, so Jude Law is suing the Sun. Fun bits at the Telegraph:
18.59 The hunt is on for the four articles published in 2005 and 2006 that could be the source of the lawsuit. Do you know what they are? 19.01 The Sun website has quite a good search function. Get sleuthing, internet!19.05 Hmmmm this is interesting - When you type Jude Law into The Sun's website it gives you a chronological archive going backwards. But get to the last page and the stories jump abruptly from 2007 to 2004 - cutting out the exact period covered in the lawsuit.Could be that less was archived online back then. Could be something else...19.11 We're working on a full archive search for the Jude Law stories and will hopefully have some results soon.19.15 Worth remembering that it was Law's ex, Sienna Miller, who kept the issue of phone hacking in the public eye by suing the News of the World.
19.01 The Sun website has quite a good search function. Get sleuthing, internet!
19.05 Hmmmm this is interesting - When you type Jude Law into The Sun's website it gives you a chronological archive going backwards. But get to the last page and the stories jump abruptly from 2007 to 2004 - cutting out the exact period covered in the lawsuit.
Could be that less was archived online back then. Could be something else...
19.11 We're working on a full archive search for the Jude Law stories and will hopefully have some results soon.
19.15 Worth remembering that it was Law's ex, Sienna Miller, who kept the issue of phone hacking in the public eye by suing the News of the World.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Fox finally covers the scandal. "You would think martians have landed in New Jersey"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qtC4gT-_Nj0#at=37
― prolego, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Murdoch better not wear a beige turtleneck: he will look even more like an old man's penis.
― natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 15 July 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, FOX pundits are reacting and - surprise, surprise - they just don't get it:
On the Fox and Friends show, Fox journalist Steve Doocy wondered just what the fuss was all about: "The company has come forward and said: 'look, this happened a long time ago, at a tabloid, in London, somebody did something really bad,' and the company reacted. They closed that newspaper, all the people got fired, even though 99 percent of them had nothing to do with it."
Doocy's guest, public relations consultant Robert Dilenschneider, was in agreement:"If I am not mistaken, Murdoch, who owns it, has apologised but for some reason, the public, the media keeps on going over this, again and again. It's a little bit too much."
"The bigger issue is hacking and how we as a public are going to protect outselves," said Dilenschneider, who earlier listed a number of US companies which had recently become the targets of hacking.
Doocy added later: "One of the things about the media, you look at some sites and you would think that martians had landed in New Jersey - again"
― natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 15 July 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Holy shit, can someone confirm? Supposedly Hinton stepped down at the WSJ.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Guardian's just posted that as a red BREAKING headline.
― natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
This via the Times' assistant news editor so presumably on the level.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
One of the things about the media - is that we're not it, obviously. xps
― that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
So if Hinton and Brooks are out...beginning to wonder if this is just some sort of outright coup.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Dear Rupert,I have watched with sorrow from New York as the News of the World story has unfolded. I have seen hundreds of news reports of both actual and alleged misconduct during the time I was executive chairman of News International and responsible for the company. The pain caused to innocent people is unimaginable. That I was ignorant of what apparently happened is irrelevant and in the circumstances I feel it is proper for me to resign from News Corp, and apologize to those hurt by the actions of the News of the World.When I left News International in December 2007, I believed that the rotten element at the News of the World had been eliminated; that important lessons had been learned; and that journalistic integrity was restored.My testimonies before the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee were given honestly. When I appeared before the Committee in March 2007, I expressed the belief that Clive Goodman had acted alone, but made clear our investigation was continuing.In September 2009, I told the Committee there had never been any evidence delivered to me that suggested the conduct had spread beyond one journalist. If others had evidence that wrongdoing went further, I was not told about it.Finally, I want to express my gratitude to you for a wonderful working life. My admiration and respect for you are unbounded. You have built a magnificent business since I first joined 52 years ago and it has been an honor making my contribution.With my warmest best wishes,Les
I have watched with sorrow from New York as the News of the World story has unfolded. I have seen hundreds of news reports of both actual and alleged misconduct during the time I was executive chairman of News International and responsible for the company. The pain caused to innocent people is unimaginable. That I was ignorant of what apparently happened is irrelevant and in the circumstances I feel it is proper for me to resign from News Corp, and apologize to those hurt by the actions of the News of the World.
When I left News International in December 2007, I believed that the rotten element at the News of the World had been eliminated; that important lessons had been learned; and that journalistic integrity was restored.
My testimonies before the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee were given honestly. When I appeared before the Committee in March 2007, I expressed the belief that Clive Goodman had acted alone, but made clear our investigation was continuing.
In September 2009, I told the Committee there had never been any evidence delivered to me that suggested the conduct had spread beyond one journalist. If others had evidence that wrongdoing went further, I was not told about it.
Finally, I want to express my gratitude to you for a wonderful working life. My admiration and respect for you are unbounded. You have built a magnificent business since I first joined 52 years ago and it has been an honor making my contribution.
With my warmest best wishes,
Les
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
"In sum, so long and thanks for all the fish."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean the wording of that basically boils down to "I didn't know about it, please don't make me testify anywhere, I'm already on the plane so I won't suffer Dominique Strauss-Kahn's fate, send severance check by carrier pigeon to the South Pacific."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/7/13/1247477381232/Rupert-Murdoch-Les-Hinton-001.jpg
"Hmm...two down..."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
TS: criminal negligence vs. actively rolling in the muck
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Three down surely? xp
― that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
James Murdoch hasn't sent a grovelling resignation letter yet. But I would kill to read it.
"Dear Dad, my bad, so sad."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Extra points if he raps it.
― natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
New hot mixtape:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2011/7/11/1310403983937/defjames-007.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
xp - but that's Coulson at the back next to Brooks.
― that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
It is, isn't it. There's a general short-hair-and-glasses douchebag quality around Murdoch that seems to smooth them all out.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Here one of Murdoch's mastheads published this accusing one of its competing papers of "hacking hypocrisy". Editor-in-chief of the accused paper shot it down in flames.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, Murdoch speaks:
“Les and I have been on a remarkable journey together for more than 52 years. That this passage has come to an unexpected end, professionally, not personally, is a matter of much sadness to me,” commented Rupert Murdoch, Chairman and CEO of News Corporation.“On this difficult day we should appreciate that his extraordinary work has provided a platform for the future success of Dow Jones. And his great contribution to News Corporation over more than five decades has enhanced innumerable lives, whether those of employees hired by him or of readers better informed because of him."News Corporation is not Rupert Murdoch. It is the collective creativity and effort of many thousands of people around the world, and few individuals have given more to this Company than Les Hinton.”
“On this difficult day we should appreciate that his extraordinary work has provided a platform for the future success of Dow Jones. And his great contribution to News Corporation over more than five decades has enhanced innumerable lives, whether those of employees hired by him or of readers better informed because of him.
"News Corporation is not Rupert Murdoch. It is the collective creativity and effort of many thousands of people around the world, and few individuals have given more to this Company than Les Hinton.”
http://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/NjAwLTAxNjQ2NDEwbi4wMDAwMDAwMA=AL18-T/600-01646410n.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
As the Telegraph notes, "The fact that the press release carries a nice tribute from Murdoch makes you wonder how long Hinton's resignation has been in the works."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Are these resignations orchestrated to wrap up the agenda for the week? I know Murdoch would love nothing more than to start next week with an agenda that's not about him.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
(and tbh I don't believe it would work anyway)
He and his son are facing that committee on Tuesday, all of Monday will be nothing but 'what will he say?' Interspersed with announcements that the Sun has been sold to Borders for immediate liquidation, the ceremonial destruction of Wapping with the people still in the buildings and Chase Carey and Roger Ailes coming over to talk about how British people suck.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"News Corporation is not Rupert Murdoch" seems a really significant quote right now
― prolego, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah. I don't think Murdoch has a great deal of control over this particular narrative.
xp yes it does (and a lie)
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, that quote's getting a lot of immediate attention, I'm noticing.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway don't forget...THE REAL POWER BEHIND THE THRONE:
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/02/09/1226002/554932-dame-elisabeth-murdoch.jpg
monty burns' mother
― prolego, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
dear old thing
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I appreciate how she is not so much cutting that cake as simply outright murdering it.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
is that pic of rebekah in the now-locked cleggeron thread a current one? if so, can't believe she'd pin a sarah payne badge to her dress.....
― whatever, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I presume it's from when the NOTW campaigned for "Sarah's Law".
― that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Would any of you recommend a simple explanation of what this is all about? I understand that phone hacking was involved, but why is this having such long legs politically? I just don't get this story but I want to!
― Euler, Friday, 15 July 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjzKiEs_pHI
― that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
The short version is that a lot of people had their privacy violated, including celebrities, politicians and people with close ties to famous Britain incidents like the Tube bombing.
The outrage is due to a case involving a 12?-year-old girl who was missing for days who was later found murdered; her family kept calling her phone to find her, leaving messages that filled up her voicemail, and the hackers kept deleting them to make more space so they could get more info, leading the family to believe she was alive when she wasn't.
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
What he said. Further:
Guardian's overview page:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/phone-hacking
But of course there's always...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_of_the_World_phone_hacking_scandal
On top of all that, the connections/collusion between various papers, London police and the major parties of government are why this thing has major legs.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 July 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
It has long legs politically because almost every politician in the country has been in thrall to Murdoch for decades and they've finally broken the spell xxp
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I will never forget the giddy euphoria of June 2011.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 11:05 (ten years ago) link
If I had to pick one to go down it would be Coulson, so fair enough
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 11:18 (ten years ago) link
Fuck with the Royals, down you go. Fuck with anyone else, retain the firm of the PM's brother for your defense, and off you get.
― leave the web alone boys (suzy), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 11:20 (ten years ago) link
^
― Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 11:26 (ten years ago) link
new season starting a bit slowly but paedophile political conspiracies definitely a promising plotline.
― woof, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 11:23 (ten years ago) link
Putting the Great back into Brittan.
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 11:31 (ten years ago) link
this thread reminds me i need to buy private eye this week
― You are the worst breed of fong (stevie), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 11:38 (ten years ago) link
Geoffrey Dickens as I shall always remember him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29HX0I46sQ
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link