Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - Classic or Dud [spoilers]

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there is no theory, dude. admit it. you were just bullshitting us.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:03 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a thesis, not a theory!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know if he's afraid of "poor people," exactly, or at least not exclusively. Rich people in his movies tend to be pretty grotesque and decadent too. There is a sense of the wholesome middle class as a bulwark against moral decay on all sides, at least in Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks (and The Straight Story, I guess). I don't know, though, I'm not sure as a whole that his stuff really tracks as classist. Eraserhead and Mulholland Drive don't really fit that mold. It's hard to pin him down ideologically, even given his ostensible Reagan Republicanism. It's all so Freudian and idiosyncratic. You can trace his neuroses to gender/race/class anxieties up to a point, but they're so specific and personal that they don't fit neat categories. Plus it's hard to tell when he's "just joking," or if he even knows the difference. Weird guy. Even though I was there when it happened, it still seems unreal to me that "Twin Peaks" was on American commercial broadcast television. The first Bush administration was, in retrospect, a pretty weird time.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:34 (eighteen years ago) link

(and obv. in twin peaks the middle-class bulwark is breached and the evil is actually right at its center. really, lynch's moral universe derives most directly from noir, which implicates everyone.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:46 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Despite awful moments, his second best of the nineties.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

Kinda think it's his second best period.

third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

what's your first?

remy bean, Monday, 1 August 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

Either Mulholland Drive or Inland Empire, depending on which side of the bed I woke up on.

third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

now i want to know what alfred thinks is his first-best of this period.

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

The Straight Story!

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

his creepiest film

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

haha i always forget the straight story came out in the '90s tbh.

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

i have still never seen fwwm.

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

every time I watch it I go from "lol what the hell is this mess" to terrified and crying by the end of it

time to put it in hi geir (WmC), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

Sheryl Lee is almost as heartbreaking as Naomi Watts.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

fwwm is great. so is wild at heart. the rest of you can go suck it fwiw imho

dell (del), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

too many acronyms to worry about

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

this is one weird-ass movie so far

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

i keep waiting for large marge or some other pee-wee character to show up

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

The first half hour is fun but rather pointless cept for Keefer blinking blankly at the waitress ("You wanna hear the specials? We have none"). And Bowie in a Magnum P.I. shirt.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

i rented this when i was like thirteen and it really freaked me out

℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

My first Lynch movie -- I was eighteen. Lots of scenes in this movie are at that level.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

Yes. Love the scene in that barn-club with the drugged-out neo-rockabilly band playing like Dwight Yoakam produced by Brian Eno.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

Uh, that NME link didn't go where I wanted it to.

1. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

Sugar-coated Satan Sandwich (Dan Peterson), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

okay well this got unnerving real quick didn't it

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

jess I love how you just sat down and let the thing unfurl so quickly

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

haha well i saw it was all on youtube so i said why noy. then about 40 mins in i noticed ot was missing part 12 of 13 so i gotta wait for netflix to send it to me.

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 1 August 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link

where did you stop

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link

special agent gene krupa was jawing with harry dean, so i assume i haven't even gotten to the goods yet

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

Wait till Special Agent Chick Corea transforms into a blue rose.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

("You wanna hear the specials? We have none")

"Those drugs are LEGAL." Love the waitress.

The sound design is also astonishing in FWWM.

third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 02:23 (twelve years ago) link

Alfred OTM about the Mulholland Dr comparison. In a lot of ways I think FWWM is a truer predecessor to that movie (& most def Inland Empire) than Lost Highway

shastakrautpasta (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

LH is a monstrosity. I've tried to like it. Everything about the movie is wrong: the casting, pace, ideas. Well, the soundtrack is okay, but it's the first time he yielded to contemporary trends.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 02:29 (twelve years ago) link

Full disclosure: I've yet to see Lost Highway. I know it had the body-switching thing that MD used to great effect, though, and for that reason, critics tend to paint a straight line between the two.

shastakrautpasta (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

lh is pretty damn bad.

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 02:52 (twelve years ago) link

there's something bullying about it (and wild at heart) that makes me understand (almost) why people find him grotesque

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

guess he thought that, well, hey, Dean Stockwell was funny-frightening in makeup -- let me repeat the joke with Robert Blake, for whose work he probably paid $56.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link

pullman's saxophone o-face is almost enough to make me have some affection for it

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 03:03 (twelve years ago) link

wild at heart is the only one i dislike but i really dislike. srsly spent the whole movie wishing everyone would quit yelling.

℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 05:41 (twelve years ago) link

i feel the same way re wild at heart, it's awful.

Lost Highway is obviously not perfect but it has some (thrillingly) terrifying scenes - robert blake asking pullman to call him is unfuckwithable and the gory flashbacks to arquette's death are genuinely shocking.

jed_, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 12:23 (twelve years ago) link

this movie is fucking awesome. it's probably the weirdest feature he made between eraserhead and inland empire.

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 12:48 (twelve years ago) link

wild at heart is pretty hard to take, i agree.

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 12:48 (twelve years ago) link

the only thing that bugs me about wild at heart is the seemingly interminable sex scenes btwn cage, dern. i think the rest is pretty great

i probably could do with trying lost highway again. thumbs up for the scenes jed mentioned, even if some of the rest of it is meh or doesn't quite work or a bit of a mess

dell (del), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

LH is a monstrosity. I've tried to like it. Everything about the movie is wrong: the casting, pace, ideas. Well, the soundtrack is okay, but it's the first time he yielded to contemporary trends.

kind of agree with this tbh. it has moments and I think the underlying idea is a good one that finds more fully realized expression elsewhere in his ouevre. but yeah, Pullman, ugh. the Pryor sequence is sad and borderline offensive. most of the movie spends it's time running place.

Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

there's something bullying about it (and wild at heart) that makes me understand (almost) why people find him grotesque

I was gonna say exploitative (specifically re: Pryor) but yeah this

Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

feel like this alone justifies Wild at Heart's existence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEz-cwJxtu8

also Dafoe accidentally blowing his head off with a shotgun O_o.

FWWM is pretty disappointing imo.

circa1916, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link

i like lost highway, the phone scene is really cool, i became obsessed with it. just that it existed.

℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

i loved lost highway when it came out because i was 19 and it was the first lynch i actually got to see in the theater and "share" with my nerdy film school friends in discussions and whatnot. but seeing it again a few years later, after mulholland drive, just nah.

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

I'm gone, James. Like a turkey in the corn.

notes on camping (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link


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