lol wk is yr m.o. on this thread to find like "the loophole" or something? this is like when you were all, "dense cities are bad because of ports" or whatever
my m.o. is to laugh at the people like you and iatee who have an overly simplistic "hey, let's all live in Manhattan and ride our bikes to work!" view of the world.
― the wheelie king (wk), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
you are an idiot
― runaway (Matt P), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah they want every1 to live in brooklyn
― Lamp, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
max wants us all to live in New Hampshire iirc
― Octavia Butler's gonna be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiised (Laurel), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
first of all i would NEVER live in manhattan second of all i want everyone to live in new hampshire and bike to work
xp as laurel has already explained
― max, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
max is obese & he lives in brooklyn iirc
― D-40, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
but if "people from the suburbs are icky conservatives and everyone who drives places is fat and i hope all the dogs die" is oversimplistic, then call me [something oversimplistic]
― max, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
well yeah, we already established that I'm a member of the klan so the idiocy is a given
― the wheelie king (wk), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
wk, the k stands for klan
― dayo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
white klan
― max, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
the white stands for white power
I think people should bike to work but I don't want everyone to, then we would look like this:
http://www.exeter.ac.uk/fch/images/chinese-bikes.jpg
and that's kinda a crappy street too...it would be nice if *some* people could bike to work and not have to fear for their lives though. I also do not live in manhattan...it's not the worst place in the world, but it can give people a misleading perspective on 'the city'. I basically want everyone to live in amsterdam or paris.
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
they are really nice places you should visit
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
only some parts of manhattan are nice to walk imo. I don't like the area around penn station and union square and the big avenues that are like 4 lanes wide. I do like the areas like, uh, the areas with all the shops and narrow streets and relatively wide sidewalks.
― dayo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think union square is 'nice' but i think it can be great being there. it would feel weird to judge such an active urban space on its kinda sensory appeal or feel rather than on what it offers there (ostrich eggs @ whole foods)
― and my soul said you can't go there (schlump), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
manhattan kansas looks nice
http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/5/2010/manhattan-ks.jpg
― buzza, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
I would offer up center city philly as being my ideal of a walkable US city - the area bounded by say, front street to schuylkill e/w and from, hmm, washington to either spring garden or girard north/south. that's a nice place to walk.
― dayo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
iatee can you recommend an amsterdam neighborhood in which construction crews are not working 365 days a year with plastic orange or green cyclone fencing around the site and giant husqvarna earthmovers in the middle of the bike/walkway? lol trick q there is no such neighborhood, amsterdam means "city of plastic cyclone fencing" in english
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
due to pedestrian plazas on broadway / bike lanes on 17th, the north and west sides of union square are considerably nicer. 14th street is hellish.
I also really like center city. the streets are considerably more narrow than in nyc, which is why it feels so much more pedestrian-friendly than outside-of-historic downtown manhattan.
xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
ive lived in new hampshire it was ok
― Lamp, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
aero I think you were just high
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
it would be better if all your friends lived there lamp
― max, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
lol I've been going to a-dam since '95 - when it kind of did resemble the walker's paradise you describe - last couple of times I've been there it's a fucking wreck imo, cities need to let the damn streets breathe instead of "improving" all year round and amsterdam is a prime offender in this regard (so's paris imo)
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
you find amsterdam difficult to walk in because sometimes there is construction? cmon
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
ha yeah come on dude, and at least there are like, people working (on construction) unlike in our cities
― stalk me shithead (from the makers of tickle me elmo) (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
countries that spend money on their infrastructure do look a lot different from america, I admit
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
lol I've been going to a-dam since '95
l@tfh
the other day i thought of this thread cuz walking home from brunch there were these lil girls selling lemonade on the sidewalk and i realized i basically live in the suburbs but i can still ride to work/get delicious brunch
― Lamp, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
We are done with the "brown ppl are fat" conversation, yes?
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
what were your objections to it, exactly?
― stalk me shithead (from the makers of tickle me elmo) (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
lol looks like I picked the right week to skip this thread if that was goin on DJP
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
"sometimes"? dude it is year-round and constant, amsterdam needs to chill on the "improvements" & as I say this was not always the case - it really seemed to start becoming a constant presence around '99
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
your argument is 'we should stop improving cities'? do you think people in amsterdam seriously have a problem w/ the end result?
'let the streets breathe' - I mean I'm sorry, this sentence basically means nothing and you know it.
also dan, I was giving the reason why manhattan doesn't have the skinniest people in the country. (and sf does.) race and class are the reason! not sure why you get to be offended by this.
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
xp i mean maybe i glossed over something someone said but people of lower socioeconomic status (who tend to be minorities) have less leisure time to exercise and tend to spend what limited income they have on empty-calorie cheap foods, this is a pretty widely understood principle of public health
― stalk me shithead (from the makers of tickle me elmo) (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, srsly dude chill I am glad u love amsterdam it's a nice town who doesn't love those fries, give it up for dutch fries everybody
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not an expert on amsterdam but a lot of the construction in paris streets is stuff like... protected bike lanes. you can ride a bike and not die! (and you can rent a bike at any of the 1200 stations in the city):
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Protected_Bicycle_Lane,_Paris_I.jpg
or...new tramways around the perimeter of the city:
http://europeforvisitors.com/paris/images/tram_3_on_grass_blvd_kellerman_13th_arr_place_d_italie_quartier_pto_marc_bertrand_164-32.jpg
I have never heard a parisian complain about road construction and I lived there, have lots of friends there, and keep up w/ the news. the only people who have beef are the people who drive in from ~the suburbs~.
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
er first one
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Protected_Bicycle_Lane%2C_Paris_I.jpg
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
when we all move to new hampshire there will be a lot of construction at first
― max, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
look at that pigeon lookin around like he owns the place
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
we need some banaka up in here
― goole, Monday, September 12, 2011 4:46 PM (Yesterday)
― stalk me shithead (from the makers of tickle me elmo) (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
max have you had the dutch fries? you can also get em in belgium they're the best but I think they might have duck fat I try to be don't ask don't tell on that shit tho
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
dead ducks
― runaway (Matt P), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
Pigeons Who Live In Cities: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?
― buzza, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
it's important to ascertain whether or not there are ducks in new hampshire
― dayo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
there will be dutch fries in new hampshire when we move there, i assure you
― max, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
I'm gonna live in Dutch Fries, NH in the county of Max OTM
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
you will not get to choose where you live
― max, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
I just learned yesterday that there are plans to make the busiest street in Cambridge (Mass Ave) into a two lane street with no turn lanes so they can have massive bike lanes and extend the sidewalks for restaurants to have outdoor seating.
Given the amount of traffic currently on that street, this is a HORRIBLE idea that will cause mile long traffic jams on a local street.
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
can we turn the old man of the mountain into lofts?
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
heh maybe they WANT to create traffic jams so that ppl sitting in their cars can watch the bikers speed past them on their way to dinner at an outdoor restaurant
― max, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
i dont care where ppl are forced to live as long as no1 can have a car and teenagers spend their time doing manual labor
― Lamp, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link