Jacques Tati/Play Time

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That is really perceptive, Momus. Which album do you refer to?

I often think of Tati's Play Time alongside Godard's Week End (not coindentally, two titles based on English phrases adopted into French were used for two films which--among other things--examine the absurdity of modern life)...even though Tati was, as you say, a populist (although he admired Godard's work and expressed a desire to work with him), his play with form and his very *extremity* pushed him into the realm of the avant-garde. Both artists seem to ask too much of the cinema, ask it to do things the audience is unprepared and perhaps even literally unable to do (in Tati's case, follow several lines of action and several developing gags in one widescreen image; in Godard's case, assembled a story presented in fragments of scenes, flash frames, etc.). ...

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

This is one reason that, as I mentioned above, Tati wished to setup a theater that showed Play Time every day, year round. It can't be absorbed in one viewing. The utopianism and hubris of that wish is dumbfounding.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

Oh and Gabbneb: a UK (R2) release is planned, with subtitles of course (not sure what extras it'll contain, but it'll be a transfer of the restored print).... No R1 released announced yet, sadly.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

Which album do you refer to?

Why, none other than my current album, 'Oskar Tennis Champion', which is named after an early Tati short and takes as its theme the collision of Modernist Utopia with the bananaskin of human fallibility. It's Tati's theme, but it seemed very relevant to me in 2002 because

1. We were looking at the 20th century -- and Modernism -- as something completed, finished, and asking ourselves what became of its utopian dreams.

2. 9/11 had just happened; a day on which jets demolished two Modernist towers closely resembling the set Tati built for 'Playtime'. It would be insensitive to call that a pratfall, but perhaps it was the biggest bananaskin in history.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

Also Belleville Rendezvous is Language free as well. It is pure Tati really.

Ed (dali), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

Er. I kinda walked out of this.

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 1 September 2003 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

I am going to see it tomorrow.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 1 September 2003 20:22 (twenty years ago) link

Cozen tell us more! (He said with trepidation.)

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 03:54 (twenty years ago) link

Well I guess I went to see it fully expecting what I saw.

I knew it would be mostly silent and that the lack of subtitles was supposed to mirror or induce the same confusion as Hulot (the quiet door-slam manager slipping in and out of German, in and out of subtitles &c.) You could see a lot of the joins, that you could see the people being directed, some scenes just far too busy with synthetic life moving just so.

I knew it would be relatively slow paced but not with these infuriating still lingers where Tati just waits for everything he wants off the screen to move off the screen. I don't like slapstick really or when one joke gets spun out into the thinnest thread you couldn't hang a sylph off.

I didn't find it funny but more than that it was frustrating, I could feel my insides flexing trying to move me - it took me quite a while to get up off my seat even though my brain was willing me upwards, a reverse vertigo had set in to counteract the constant twitching inside me that had mounted into me wanting to leave. It was really uncomfortable. So I crept out quietly after an hour.

I'm probably being unfair or not 'getting it' or not even giving it a chance but when something provokes such a severe physiological discomfort I think my reactions are 'valid' (and honest), however ex post facto rationalising they are.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:12 (twenty years ago) link

I almost walked out of Tarkovsky's The Sacrifice last week too. I'm a restless cinema-goer.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:25 (twenty years ago) link

COzen, I get a pretty similar reaction to Tati to you. Elaborately constructed slapstick makes me marvel at its ingenuity, but ingenuity is better served in engineering or architecture rather than working out a way for someone to get kicked up the arse.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 10:32 (twenty years ago) link

I think it's difficult for people to adjust to 'Playtime' if you're not used to cinema which is visual and essentially silent -- in other words, somehow less cerebral and more tactile than your average Hollywood film. Because, although people often say we live in a visual age and that the popular media are 'sensational', in fact nothing could be further from the truth. We live in an era of cocaine-hatched plots that fit together like a chinese puzzle, of high concept and high moral tone, of word rather than image, of thinking and feeling rather than looking and 'touching'. (When I say 'tactile' or 'touching' in relation to film I mean just enjoying texture: the colours, the crackle, the quality of sound itself, not just sound as a vehicle for meaning and meaning as a vehicle for plot.)

Not since the silent era has Hollywood actually privileged the visual over the textual. And I think if you're not the kind of person who enjoys modern dance (cos Tati is basically a brilliant choreographer) or can stand in front of an Andreas Gursky photo for several minutes (cos Tati is an amazing photographer -- that exterior night scene where we see into two apartment windows at the same time!) then you probably will find Tati frustrating. God knows, the film bombed when it came out, so you're not alone.

But 'Playtime' is certainly amongst the top 100 films of the 20th century, and says -- without words! -- some incredibly important things about how people lived then. Its stature grows with each year. Some may find it unwatchable (too visual to be watchable?) but it will be watched for a long time to come.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

('The Sacrifice' is also a visual / textural rather than verbal / textual film.)

Elaborately constructed slapstick makes me marvel at its ingenuity, but ingenuity is better served in engineering or architecture rather than working out a way for someone to get kicked up the arse.

But that's exactly the thing that's so great about Tati! We try, with ingenuity and engineering, to construct a perfect world, but there's always some little snag tripping up our utopia, some spanner in the works. But then someone comes along who, with ingenuity and engineering, depicts the exact way the spanner enters the works, and puts as much talent into showing stuff breaking down as others put into fixing it! He even builds a simu-city outside the real city only to model the way things go wrong, then pulls it all down! He's either a madman or...

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

But the text that the Sacrifice brings with it is stilted and didactic and preachy Momus, it's a shadow and feint of reality, horrible really, horrible.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

Exactly?

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

The more original an artist is, the more he runs the risk of being seen as 'wrong about life'. And if you don't agree with his model of life, no matter how persuasive a Tati or a Tarkovsky is, you'll just find it 'preachy'. We both probably saw a lot of TV before we saw the work of either Mr T. TV is just as didactic and preachy as any art film about its -- essentially mediocre -- worldview. But by dint of repetition it makes its presumptions about life transparent. When we eventually see the work of some film-maker with a radically different worldview from the TV or Hollywood worldview -- and I'm thinking of a Straub rather than even a Godard, who often spoofs Hollywood and therefore shares some of its presuppositions, even while attacking them -- we're likely either to be smitten or appalled. I went to see Tarkovsky's 'Mirror' three times the week it came out in Scotland. Nothing I'd ever seen on a screen even came near its... spirituality. But that extreme attraction could just as well have been repulsion, for almost the same reasons. I might have said, precisely because I'd never seen anything like that before, 'he is wrong about life'. Instead I said something like 'Everything I know is wrong, but this is right'.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 September 2003 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

To give a tiny example (of 'Mirror's originality, and its status as 'textural' in a way that TV and Hollywood aren't), there's a scene where a boy watches the slow disappearance of a ring of condensation from a wooden table where a hot cup has been standing. It's something I'd seen in life, but never in a film. Very simple, very real, rather microscopic, pretty 'undramatic'. And yet a very powerful, poetic, emotive symbol of ghostly disappearance.

The scene in Playtime with Hulot trying out on weirdly-reacting soft chairs in a pristine vitrine-like corporate lobby is similar. It's not just a Mr Bean fart joke, it's a study of the texture of the chairs themselves and a comment on the incompatibility between Modernist design and the human form, between the human and the corporate scale... And it's an elegant rumination on the impossibility of elegance.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 September 2003 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

OK, I'm thinking. I think you've misunderstood what I meant but I realise that that is no small fault of my own.

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 4 September 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

I saw 'monsieur hulot's holiday' tonight. it were right funny.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 4 September 2003 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

Is Hulot a good / interesting / original character?

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 6 September 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

Hulot is a cypher! He's as one-dimensional as Charlie Chaplin! I don't know how you'd rate him as a character, but he's a great piece of graphic design!

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 6 September 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Cozen since you walked out, how would you judge? You missed the ending sequence with Hulot's touching, fumbling interaction with the American tourist.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 6 September 2003 19:37 (twenty years ago) link

I wouldn't. I was asking you. Since I walked out.

David. (Cozen), Saturday, 6 September 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

Oh ok, sorry ... I thought you were impugning his value..

Yes, I do find him a sympathetic character.. As I say, that end sequence is really poignant. His attempts to communicate with and be chivalrous toward this woman as they walk through the city in the morning.. Knowing the possibility of meaningful interaction is remote, that she is soon to depart, but making the attempt ... he buys her a gift .. I don't know. The way they sort of randomly ended up in each other's company in the early morning after the nightlong of revelry at the restaurant.. It's touchingly romantic and very sad at the same time.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 6 September 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

**spoilers**


have you noticed the moment where she leans on his shoulder to fix her shoe (??) and he notices she's wearing a wedding ring?

amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 6 September 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

also whenever i heard dubya speak i think of the boorish texan (?) magnate making a ruckus in the restaurant.

amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 6 September 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

If you want to see a superior, more enjoyable example of some of the things that I took from Playtime you may want to check out (currently in the cinemas) Belleville Rendez-vous. (Tellingly spotted in the back of one frame: a poster for Le Vacancies de Mr. Hulot. I wasn't sure if this told of 'influence' or 'respect' though.)

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
haha wow i love love loved 'jour de fete'.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Monday, 29 December 2003 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

i) i couldn't really understand what was meant by the american speed & efficiency metaphor but i got the feeling it was only lightly anti-american;
ii) did momus say tati didn't like cars? ha that scene with the car rampaging through the town was a giveaway;
iii) such delicately engineered comedy;
iv) haha the jokes! (cf. iii)
v) i thought hulot was a completely silent character: the 'revelation' that he did talk but eventually doesn't (cf. playtime) makes 'playtime' even more bleak, i think. i mean, it's not that he is taciturn and gloomy because he plainly isn't in 'playtime', it's just that perhaps hulot (Hulot) doesn't have anything to say for (or in or to) this new world;
vi) the 'slapstick' here is so gently rendered as to be completely different from something like, say, 'bottom' or, say, spinal tap? again i'm not exactly sure what it 'means' per se, but;
vii) the nighttime shots were so beautiful;
viii) tati shot 'jour de fete' on two cameras (black and white & colour): before the picture there's an introduction which explains why: there's a shot of tati behind his two cameras, one by the side of the other: what ws made must have been essentially two different films then! i mean, besides the colour issue;
ix) i like the idea of a town that goes to bed together and rises together
x) a pet goat! on a leash!!
xi) the ending, the most 'violent', say, of all the slapstick (god i hate to keep using that word) set-pieces wsn't that funny, in fact it was quite sad: hammered home i thk in the following scene with hulot's little parcel of bathos: 'i think i got a bit excited' :(

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

ia) i suspect this wasn't really a 'metaphor' actually: but it felt like this was being used to say what tati ws trying to say, which i cdn't quite decode.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

xia) the ending being the bit where he's thrown into the river by his 'american rapidity' on his bicycle.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:46 (twenty years ago) link

hehe playtime tomorrow.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 02:34 (twenty years ago) link

va) oh shit, it's francois in 'jour de fete' rather than hulot, possibly the point still stands.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, hulot was introduced with the next film. it's a bit amazing to me, great tati fan that i am, that the hulot character seized the public imagination all over the world with basically just two movies in which he barely talks. and even his personality is muted--we know he's careless and a bit oblivious, but also considerate and a little shy, but that's nearly all. the films are more about their environment than the central character, or indeed character at all, although "jour de fete" is a less pure example of this because francois the postman is pretty colorful.

my favorite moment (maybe?) in "jour de fete" is when the buzzing bee leaves francois to bother the farmer on a hill, but there's no bee, there's just a buzzing noise which changes pitches to indicate where and who he's bothering. a good example of tati's use of sound cues to replace visual cues and his use of the whole screen/sound world.

so you saw the color version? apparently tati's daughter--she oversaw the restoration, and was a filmmaker herself--used one of her father's revised soundtracks for the film (maybe from the 60s?) instead of the original, which angered some people. i don't know enough about it to know if she made the right decision; maybe the 1948 soundtrack was a mess when it came time to restore the film in 1994. but the color is definitely worth it. i was surprised when i saw it how muted and subtle were the colors considering the technology being used. certainly they don't feel like the kind of oversaturated color being used in some hollywood productions at that time. worth nothing too is that the original "black and white" version included some stray objects and bits of decor stencilled in various colors for effect. something that has its own beauty, so it's worth seeing "both" versions (both is in quotes because it seems like there's actually 100 versions of this film).

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 08:58 (twenty years ago) link

incidentally cozen one of my bosses thinks "jour de fete" and "mr hulot's holiday" are tati's best films and he went downhill after that. that's not really such a minority opinion in fact; "playtime" remains a cult film, "parade" even more so. ("traffic" has its partisans but they are few are far between. i haven't managed to see it because the only video i've found is cropped and dubbed into english.)

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 09:00 (twenty years ago) link

oh yes! brilliant, just brilliant. brilliant!

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

'playtime', that is.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

i) the shot of the two families, hulot & co. sitting down to watch a movie: the old woman, in the other house, is so sad: it reminded me of this time i sat and watched an old woman, say 60, in mcdonalds on argyle st. sit and eat her big mac, intermittently sucking in some cola, the fragile parcel of bones in her hand, her low set eyes, mistakable for sadness: i always thought it impossibly sad that old people don't fit in the future;
ii) haha that scene where hulot sees giffard across the way in another building when actually it's giffard's reflection in the window! 'sometimes we see a thing's light and not the thing itself' :-o
iii) those intricately designed sets painted uniform in what burnside calls 'the grey of nearness'!!!
iv) i liked alot the scene where the loud american asks for the exact figures fr his accounts: the high mounted camera is just perfect for the required all-around survey: hulot's hat bobbing up and down in the distance, the man himself obscured;
v) another of my favourite scenes: hulot waits in the waiting room, pacing the boards, squeaking, testing the chairs: but this we're not allowed to hear cs tati let's the road sounds high in the mix, then cuts to the sound inside the waiting room briefly, and away again.
vi) tativille! (cf. iii)
vii) apparently it cost anywhere between 5 and 12 million francs. and one day in a gust of bad luck, wind caused almost 1 million francs worth of damage to the almost finished set :( tati eventually using his own money (debts to friends, his future inheritance) to make the costs;
viii) wow.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

ix) haha VOLTE-FACE

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link

x) now, i'm going to go watch 'celine and julie go boating' after not watching 'eraserhead' last night.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

haha that scene where hulot sees giffard across the way in another building when actually it's giffard's reflection in the window!

haha yeah that's great! my mind explodes at the thought of how hard that shot must have been to set up.

i like the way tati (ha! i almost typed "godard"! well it IS sort of similar to "week-end") finds select mometnts--literally moments, not even entire shots sometimes--to isolate hulot and the young american tourist, so that its clear they've caught each other's eye somehow but have little time or space to go any further in the midst of the restaurant and other chaos.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

my mind explodes at the thought of how hard that shot must have been to set up.

yeh, similarly with the sequence when the two waiters are carrying out the chef mannequin so that it looks on-screen like they're carrying an actual body.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

there are some hilarious gags with door handles too. the one--very brief--where the buy bends down and his head is such that it looks like he has sprouted horns. and of course the gag where the door shatters but the doorman continues to move the door handle to keep up appearances. everytime i walk past a shattered glass door (it happens sometimes) i look arond for a handle to see if i can perform that gag on my own.

as for "jour de fete's" antiamericanism, i think it's more of an ambivalence, lampooning both the american's obsession with efficiency and the french's eagerness and perhaps inability to adapt quickly.

in "playtime" it's not necessarily antiamericanism (though the figure of the rich texan guy is definitely a silly, even a bit affectionate, stab--but his lines were cowritten with art buckwald) as much as a lampoon of the general tendency of modernist urban architecture (perhaps in its way the ultimate symbol of corporate consolidation and power) to turn every place into the same place. this is literalized in those hilarious travel posters in the lobby, where you have "the alps" with a skiier flying past a skyscraper identical to the one tati is walking around in.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:37 (twenty years ago) link


It will be interesting to see if this threads gets more than 20 ans amt.

haha! though granted a good half of them are mine...

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

the terrorists have lost!

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

(i liked this snippet upthread from ess kay: 'best use of glass ever'.)

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:51 (twenty years ago) link

i still think that this is quite a bleak film albeit adequately sweetened.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

momus, do you think 'playtime' is bleak in any way?

cozen¡ (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

Considering Playtime damn near became my favorite film the first time I saw it some two years ago (though I should confess that I routinely declare new films among the best 10 I've ever seen before they eventually settle into less lofty categories), I'm surprised I haven't made an effort to see any of Tati's other films. Maybe I too easily buy the notion that it's both the film that cemented and ended his career as a major auteur. Well, I'll catch Mon Oncle pretty soon at any rate.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 06:50 (twenty years ago) link

i love this tati quote: "when people don't know each other they follow right angles; when they are intimate they go in curves."

and this by colette, on tati's sport mimes: "he is both the player and the ball, the football and the goalkeeper, the boxer and his opponent, the bicycle and its rider. he makes you see invisible partners, and objects in his empty hands. he plays on your imagination with the talent of a great artist... when jacques tati imitates horse and rider, paris sees a mythological creature come to life, the centaur."

cozen¡ (Cozen), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

i once had an argument with someone who insisted that tati was "basically a silent filmmaker", an assertion he was incredible fond of but which is controverted by the first five seconds of "mr. hulot's holiday."

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 29 January 2016 22:24 (eight years ago) link

i'd agree with that, evan

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 January 2016 22:43 (eight years ago) link

i think i could listen to just the audio tracks of his movies on their own. such amazing sounds.

scott seward, Friday, 29 January 2016 22:51 (eight years ago) link

yeah, they are basically elaborate (and fetching!) pieces of musique concrete.

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 29 January 2016 23:52 (eight years ago) link

in fact, there's a collection, "tati sonorama," where the first CD is selections from his films' musical scores, and the second is basically raw chunks of the soundtracks -- music, sound effects, dialogue (such as it is), etc. i prefer the second CD!

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 29 January 2016 23:53 (eight years ago) link

you should get it while it's still vaguely affordable, since it's out of print: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00186VRJI/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=&sr=

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 29 January 2016 23:54 (eight years ago) link

eight months pass...

On last night's Carson rerun on Antenna, one of the main guests was Chevy Chase (this was in '79), and he singled out Tati for extensive praise when asked by Johnny about who made him laugh.

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:17 (seven years ago) link

You should repost that on his defend the indefensible thread.

Madame Bob George (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:36 (seven years ago) link

My dad loved Jacques Tati, but my dad was a weird Francophile.

Millions of species Faye Dunaway (Tom D.), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:40 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Playtime was incredible. Trafic wasn't quite Playtime, but it was still pretty great

Dan S, Thursday, 11 October 2018 01:00 (five years ago) link

I think my second favorite Tati film after Playtime though is Mon Oncle

Dan S, Thursday, 11 October 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

Boy, my students, to my surprise, took to Playtime yesterday. It took them a while to let its rhythms work on them, though.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 11:47 (four years ago) link

Why surprise?

If I were a POLL I’d be Zinging (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:06 (four years ago) link

Long, French, no close-ups, made before May 2019.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:42 (four years ago) link

and I assume the screen wasn't mammoth, which is a disadvantage

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:46 (four years ago) link

I've got an auditorium, so the projector screen is wall-sized.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link

oh that's good

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

saw M Hulot's Holiday for the first(!) time the other night. loved it. maybe my favorite type of movie, just gently whimsical and absurd, a repetitive jazz score which plays off the environs perfectly, a gently sad ending as he pauses and then just decides to get in his car and head off.

i was blown away by the fact that much of the boat/shark gag was filmed in 1978(!!)

omar little, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 19:17 (eight months ago) link

Had no idea there were two versions! I guess that scene is a Jaws reference then?

abandoned luncheonmeat (Matt #2), Tuesday, 26 September 2023 19:24 (eight months ago) link

the scene i can't get enough of is when he's painting his boat and the can of paint keeps floating around to the other side of the boat and he never even clocks it's moved but somehow always puts his paintbrush down exactly where it's floated to in order to load up with more paint, just the best

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 21:15 (eight months ago) link


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