Xp probably the moral of the thread.
― whoop, up the butt it goes (silby), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
I just think "local = always better" is encouraging a naive and simplistic take
I'm not sure anyone here has advocated that local= always better, so perhaps you've been shadow boxing. If so, you wouldn't be the first person to respond to what they expected to hear rather than what was said. Lord knows I've done it before myself and I've seen it in operation hundreds, no, thousands of times.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:13117
^ craftsmanship, consumerism, virtue, privilege, and quality
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
whoa
― whoop, up the butt it goes (silby), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure where privilege works into that list.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
I'm responding to them responding to me saying "local is not always better"
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
― Aimless, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
the disposable income (& leisure time) to purchase (the material to build) a 3-D printer?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
those printers are getting increasingly affordable and easier to build! it's a matter of it being a hobbyist thing with few commercial parties involved at this point
― mh, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
I invented a 3d printer once, I called it a 'plant seed'
― dayo, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
Did it grow into a prosthetic hand?
― whoop, up the butt it goes (silby), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
can you print food with a 3-d printer
― markers, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
most of the food you eat...probably
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
*buys a 3-d printer*
― markers, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
no I got a model of Capitol hill built out of purple and yellow Legos; was pretty bummed
― dayo, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
― mh, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:12 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
otm just sayin
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
That's what always kills me about people who are like "my mac can't be opened up and the hardware tinkered with blah blah." We have so many hobbyist and experimental fields that are available now that still have low barriers to entry, and the things you can do easily have grown exponentially.
We also end up with the issue that sometimes the market catches up faster than you can get your project off the ground. My college roommate was tinkering for a couple years with making his own LCD projector. At the time, ones with decent quality were pretty expensive and you could build one with an array of high intensity LEDs and the panel from a LCD monitor and, say, the lens from an old overhead projector.
Now you can buy a used (or even new) LCD projector for less than you'd spend in materials cost.
― mh, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
this thread isn't long enough!
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/11/21/111121fa_fact_kramer
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
today's headline: rich people discover that some wild plants MAY be edible.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
rich people fail to realize that the greenhouse gasses saved by their "foraging" is offset by the fact that they fart a lot
― pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
People go morel mushroom hunting around here. They're tricky to find. I've also had wild strawberries, raspberries, handful of other things.
Stay away from the wild ditchweed, though
― mh, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
its all about the fiddleheads in my neck of the woods.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
again i go back to the current unconscious desire to learn survival skills before doomsday comes.
did you know that there is FOOD in the ground, says famous norwegian chef!? it's true! i even cook it in my famous norwegian restaurant!! no way!!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
fiddleheads are SO GOOD
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XJMIu18I8Y
― buzza, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
I could even claim to have foraged as an adult, if you count a mild interest in plucking berries from the caper bushes that cling to the walls of an old hill town near the farmhouse in Umbria where my husband and I go, in the summertime, to write.
tried to get through this article but i think my eyes are stuck from rolling so hard
― chilli, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
what is an Umbria
― whoop, up the butt it goes (silby), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
"Yeah, we love foraging too, it's rad!" - billions of people since the beginning of time
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.newyorker.com/images/2011/11/21/p465/111121_r21551_p465.jpg
the picture is so lol - it's like he's locked in a mortal struggle to bag that herb
― dayo, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
bag that herb
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
man -vs- mild
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
"how to sleep with nerdy rap fans" xp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
even wearing his hand-crafted herb-picking boots. $599.99.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
those boots are hand-welted by master craftsmen. they will last a lifetime and more. they will last so long, he will be able to pass them on to his grandchildren, who will pass them onto their grandchildren.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
first off i'm sure legendary wakeboarder steve shasta could elaborate much better on this than i could, but there's been a pretty long trend in recent mens fashion that reveres bygone and traditional practices of textile & garment production that plays right into this discussion, and i think denim is probably the most prevalent example of this. leather goods, too. but further, durability seems to be valued above just about anything else, not just because of 'quality' but because instead of falling apart, a durable object changes with age and use -- it becomes worn, gains 'character', it molds to your body, its somehow shares a narrative shared with its owner, and it becomes more unique the older it gets, more 'authentic.' i kinda find this interesting, and i definitely find that i share some of these values and aesthetics, but i think it's weird in a way, a way of incorporating the consumer himself into the making of an 'authentic' product.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
i share that aesthetic because i'm cheap.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
every dollar i spend on clothes is a dollar i'm not spending on records.
objects that get a patina are a thing, sure
I was joking with a friend this morning that I was going to start selling 1/4" thick denim that is EXTRA RUGGED and made on ORIGINAL REAL LOOMS and become a millionaire.
Part of this is just people finding long-standing brands who have reputations for quality and latching on to them, which I have no problem with, even if it's kind of obviously a trend and meant as one-upmanship. It's kind of entertaining when it turns into a respected brand creating a spinoff or licensed line to take advantage of the upswing in interest.
For example, the past trend of American workwear brands (Carhartt, Spiewak) being licensed to European companies that then create completely unaffiliated goods but license the brand
― mh, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
i only buy used clothing. and that's rarely. i keep wearing something until its falling off of me. i had to buy shoes recently and it bummed me out. my last pair lasted only 4 years. i went to a flood sale in brattleboro and bought three pairs of shoes and hopefully they will last me at least 12 years. but the winters and rains have been rough, so, we'll see.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
there are entire threads on superfuture and styleforum devoted to documenting the aging process of denim & leather goods which are pretty interesting to read -- not just to see how the objects change over time but also because it's almost competitive, you see these dudes expressing admiration & jealousy at how awesome that pair of beat up red-wings are, there's totally a fetish for authenticity going on
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
carhartt is the way to go. good brand. i only own one pair of shorts and they are carhartts and i've had them for ten years.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
my carhartt coat is older than that. i went and bought books from someone last year whose uncle and aunt had gone into a nursing home and they GAVE us the most amazing collection of winter hunting gear. coats, pants, gloves, sweaters. i'll never have to buy another winter coat as long as i live. and this stuff was old too. but in amazing condition.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.itsworn.com
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
elmo otm - those threads are so weird
― dayo, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
there's this image burned into my brayne of a guy who bought mannequin legs to put his jeans on when he wasn't wearing them, to preserve the 'form' of the jean that might get destroyed by folding them flat
― dayo, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
real carhartt shit is amazing. I had two jackets in high school, and I think I either outgrew them or my dad still has them somewhere. the insulated coveralls are awesome if you're somewhere rural and are out plowing snow or even walking the dog in a couple feet of snow
On the flip side, there's the superfuture dudes as you said. I have a friend who is on the "not washing raw denim for seven months, constant wear" thing and his girlfriend is just going nuts because he's wearing his never-washed pants everywhere and sitting on the bed and such. I understand the commitment, but it seems so artificial
― mh, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
a number of the pictures of boots on that site elmo just linked look like they walked around the block a few times and still have the original polish!
― mh, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't washed my jeans in a long time but it's cause they don't really smell (yet)
― dayo, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
the real test is to ask your girlfriend or mother what they think
― mh, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
Carhartt shirts are cut weird, even for 'American-sized' work clothes. Giant balloony sleeves and super-long bodies.
I wear raw denim for the most part, but that's largely because I like the materials and cuts better than what I can find at the Gap or Levi's, and the specific pair I'm wearing (as mentioned earlier) are made by one guy in the East Bay. I wash them monthly.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
I don't like to wash my jeans because they feel so stiff afterwards and they shrink and it takes time to break 'em in again
― dayo, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link