Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - Classic or Dud [spoilers]

yeah first half with coop is great, ending is great, bit of a drag in the middle, still better than wild at heart or inland empire to me, anyone even remotely interested in twin peaks should love it, I've seen it a dozen times.

^Sacrilige. Wild At Heart is his finest work and the best movie ever.

(And I do know how to spell sacrilege. ;)

wild at heart is good too. I dunno I like the twin peaks universe more though.

it's better than that thing with balthazar getty I can't remember the name of right now

Lost Highway. I really loved that one - much more than Mulholland Drive (which is essentially the same story).

Sherilynn Fenn: "(I) was extremely disappointed in the way the second season got off track. As far as Fire Walk with Me, it was something that I chose not to be a part of."

also McLachlan only wanted to play a small part, hence the introduction of Chester Desmond.

i'm amazed Chris Isaak wasn't a bigger star in the acting world as he had such a weird, brilliant alien quality. the very idea of Isaak as a tough-nut Fed who's kinda aloof and takes no shit but kinda charming with it, and Sutherland as a geeky scientist type is as winning a buddy-movie type double act as i've ever seen! on paper it sounds mental though. i guess that's why Lynch is a genius of sorts.

Sherilynn Fenn: "(I) was extremely disappointed in the way the second season got off track. As far as Fire Walk with Me, it was something that I chose not to be a part of."

also McLachlan only wanted to play a small part, hence the introduction of Chester Desmond.

― Number None, Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:30 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah I forgot about Fenn. I'm pretty sure literally every other major character filmed something though.

there's apparently a scene of Sheriff Truman serenading Josie Packard in the woods with his acoustic guitar.

Wow, impossible to find a picture of Chris Isaak as a clown hitman in ... Something Wild? Married to the Mob?

I'd love to see the supposed reams of unused material.

Audrey's dad didn't film anything either

yeah Married To The Mob. he was in a couple of Demme's films. there was a blink and you literally missed it cameo in '.. Lambs'.

http://static2.dmcdn.net/static/video/275/905/31509572:jpeg_preview_medium.jpg?20110518005127

tix for the Tribeca show going fast! (Fri sold out, w/ Dana Ashbrook Q&A)

so apparently Sheryl Lee will be a phone guest at my screening.

OMG awesome!

Lynch shot scenes with pretty much every secondary actor on the show, almost all of which ended up being cut.

The DVD has a great reunion documentary (edited together in a really funny and awesome and weird way) where they all talk about this. Apparently he was really nice and personally called everyone to tell them their bits had been cut, a courtesy which Hawk says "Just isn't done in this business".

This was somewhere between OK and pretty good.

Sheryl Lee just had nothing but good things to say about her collaboration w/ Lynch.

Ray Wise bothered me here and in the dries as an inadvertently (?) comic incarnation of evil.

and BOB looks like a roadie.

Not to unduly separate him from filmmakers I have a greater (Hitchcock, Lang) and lesser (De Palma) regard for, but DL is kind of a fucked-up misogynist.

Ray Wise bothered me here and in the *series*

so did the series deal in some way with Bobby having killed a drug dealer?

re Blue Velvet:

and a line like "Why are there people like Frank?" obviously is naive and bland, but it's also direct and sincere, and certainly the situation she's referring to is as upsetting as can be imagined. People are just laughing because they're uncomfortable...

She? My recollection is that this is Kyle Mac's line, and it was funny bcz he hadn't learned to act yet.

The DVD has a great reunion documentary (edited together in a really funny and awesome and weird way) where they all talk about this. Apparently he was really nice and personally called everyone to tell them their bits had been cut, a courtesy which Hawk says "Just isn't done in this business".

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:54 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this doc was incredible

so did the series deal in some way with Bobby having killed a drug dealer?
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, March 2, 2012 8:27 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah drug dealer dude decomposed in the forest unnoticed.

One thing that kind of bothered me in the movie was the stuff with Laura's diary and the torn out pages that implicated Leland/BOB, but apparently they were going to deal with those pages if Season 3 had happened.

Uuuuggghhh stop reviving this thread if it doesn't relate to the impending availability of the deleted scenes in one form or another!

I'm still crossing my fingers in anticipation of a Lemon Yellow Set...

I think we've seen just the right amount of TP there needs to be.

"we've"

yep, speaking on behalf of everyone as we all do implicitly

and BOB looks like a roadie.

the Bob thing works because Bob's not a scary looking guy, he's just a guy. any guy at all. it just happened to be that (non) actor as the result of a fluke.

oh no, he's definitely scary looking

i don't see "roadie" and "scary" as being mutually exclusive

Yep, Bob just looks like any old guy at all

http://weeklycoitus.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/old-man.jpg

"Catch you...with my colostomy bag!"

he doesn't look like every guy but he looks like just a guy. not a scary guy. a guy guy.

a ROADIE.

not really. he makes creepy faces all the time. that is not necessarily in a roadie's job description.

his ordinariness may be part of the horror, right? Just some dude who lives over a convenience store who happened to turn into a demon.

I didn't really 'get' the Bowie camera thing, or the bullshit with the ring.

on another T.P. thread we discuss this -- the scenes are remnants of a much longer screenplay that explained (somewhat tediously) all that stuff. lynch had to cut a lot of scenes to make the film a manageable length, and in doing so he seems to have deliberately rendered much of the film incoherent.

the full script is/was available online somewhere, damned if i remember where though.

lynch had to cut a lot of scenes to make the film a manageable length, and in doing so he seems to have deliberately rendered much of the film incoherent.

After watching the deleted scenes in the Lime Green set, this is now my exact impression of Wild At Heart. So many of the baffling things in that movie are explained relatively clearly with the context of those deleted scenes, and the entire effort seems to have been in the service of making the film more (airquotes) "Lynchian". Like he was putting in an excess of effort in trying to live up to his own style/hype. The finished film feels a lot more flimsy to me now, although it never was one of my favorites of his.

That said, he made it work with TP:FWWM. The strange and unexplained scenes feel much more authentically (airquoteless) Lynchian.

the script doesn't really explain Bowie's character though. I think Bowie's character and "Judy" are showing that there is this other world inhabited by BOB et al. and that it's fucking terrifying and Chet Desmond is now stuck there.

IIRC there's only one other scene with bowie's character in the script and it involves him teleporting to Cairo or something and setting a room on fire.

FWWM, Lost Highway and Wild at Heart were all made with the contractual obligation to keep the films at most 2 hours and 15 minutes in length. With LH and WaH I think it led to the films being too long and FWWM ended up too short.

the script doesn't really explain Bowie's character though. I think Bowie's character and "Judy" are showing that there is this other world inhabited by BOB et al. and that it's fucking terrifying and Chet Desmond is now stuck there.

― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well it doesn't exactly "explain" it but it does at least place it into some context IIRC.

they showed a really knackered looking print at the BFI Lynch fest supposedly, which i find astonishing for such a relativley recent film. The copy they had of Lost Highway had *French subtitles*!

^very commonplace if it's not a beloved blockbuster

FWWM ended up too short

oh, never

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liblxiuc541qzyllfo1_500.jpg

^this

would look nice on yr wall

That reminds me of something I've searched the internet for over the years. In "Inland Empire" when they are in Poland around the dinner table there is some painting of an arm holding a candle on the wall. I've been looking for the artist or title for years with no luck.

i would imagine it's a lynch painting or photo of his that looks like a painting but i can only vaguely remember it.

Yeah I think it's at around 2 minutes in on this clip, but the low resolution makes it pretty much impossible to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9_O5wK6yOk&feature=related

they showed a really knackered looking print at the BFI Lynch fest supposedly, which i find astonishing for such a relativley recent film. The copy they had of Lost Highway had *French subtitles*!

― piscesx, Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:02 AM (20 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

copyright holders in both cases are french companies (canal+?) and they must not have been able to wrangle new prints out of 'em. i'm sure good elements exist in both cases; the french are generally good at this.

i have seen some late-90s central asian films that look like release prints from the 1930s.

http://www.copronason.com/tpreview2/images/shag.jpg

http://www.copronason.com/tpreview2/images/ryan_heshka_voice_of_love.jpg

Plenty more for those who know shit from shinola: http://www.copronason.com/tpreview2/index.html#20

Forgot how terrifying this shit is