btw I meant to type touche, but you can just pronounce douche like that instead
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
sure you did
― ENBB, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
I said in the thread not in the polldouche
douche
you have to like, consider the subtext man
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
things white people say
things the fathers of Asian children say, you worthless piece of shit.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
i guess you're really the victim here then
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
wow you need to settle down
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
At least we got to see everyone's huge fucking midwestern high schools. That was a nice point in this thread.
― frogify bool sheet (beachville), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
man I know suggest bans only count once but it feels so good to do it again
― dayo, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
It's interesting, dayo. I had actually composed a huge response to you talking about frogs on some other thread this weekend, but my shitty new cellphone wouldn't post it. I tried like three or four times, to no avail. My whole thought was a solid paragraph long, but the gist was "okay, he's an ass, but I honestly think he's trying to engage in discourse with us."
I no longer believe this!
― frogify bool sheet (beachville), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ That was what I thought last week too when I called people out on jumping all over his posts. I no longer believe it either, sadly.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
my very first sb!
― your dominican divorce (will), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
my first in a long time, and I don't even SB ppl who call me a fucking bitch.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
I might SB you if you keep ignoring my fb friends request! >:O (kidding, obv)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
Im curious as to the HS posted here:
― I Love Pedantry (D-40), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:14 AM
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know people's names, send a message! xp
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
Also, that hulking out frog is both adorable and disgusting. I am so conflicted!
― ENBB, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:18 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
enbb, frogbs apologist
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
My whole thought was a solid paragraph long, but the gist was "okay, he's an ass, but I honestly think he's trying to engage in discourse with us."
I appreciate that but I think only a select few were actually trying to engage on a level that wasn't name-calling
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
I guess you're really the victim here then.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
tbf the response I'm seeing to a couple people name calling is typically to be cryptically sarcastic and then treat ilx like you don't care what anyone thinks for another day or so
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not going to pretend like i don't care, rather a little shocked at the kind of logical fallacies that normally smart posters succumb to when talking about an issue that's even a little controversial
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
Could you explain this fallacy?
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
I think what you're not getting is that we don't have to have group consensus or bully someone into being right or wrong
like, the people who find this shit funny aren't really posting to the thread, but they obviously are on ilx for some reason or another
So if you're perpetually getting said "hey, no one speaking hereis buying your arguments and we do find this offensive" then explaining to someone why it isn't offensive, when they obviously have the right to be offended, isn't going to go anywhere
to be fair, the only way I get along is by not posting on threads that are heated where I have a strong opinion, because it doesn't help me OR the discussion most of the time. and if I feel genuinely underqualified, as white midwestern dude who has asian friends but no huge personal stake, I'm going to let it go
for instance, dayo and aero are pretty cool dudes imo and they have a personal stake here, so even if I did find this shit funny, I'd be seriously asking myself why, or at least not be outright saying "HEY PEOPLE FIND THIS FUNNY" because I respect them
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
ok I've done my community service for the week, where's my free coffee
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
you're entitled to steal coffee from a 7-11 now
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
Well the thing I was trying to hammer home over and over is that I do believe it's offensive and in bad taste, and that's part of what makes it funny TO SOME PEOPLE. In the case of this character, I found the fact that somebody would think that he's typical of anything to be funnier than the character itself, but also, that yes, I laughed at a few of his lines (and would have even if the character was a space alien), and that yes I didn't really feel good about it, but using that to make sweeping generalizations on MY character is stupid. I have a personal stake in a lot of race issues too but IMO that only loosely applies here and I think I tend to give people a lot more credit. I get the "I have Asian kids, you shouldn't laugh at Asian stereotypes" argument, but when it turns into "you're a shitty person for laughing at this who obviously has some deep seeded racist beliefs" when I grew up with a ton of Asian people, none of whom were anything like this character, then yeah I'm going to get all uppity about it. If you asked me "could you go back in time and destroy this film", yeah, I would.
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
his idea that people are shitty for laughing at it is just, like, his opinion, man. don't get all butthurt for one person drawing a hard line in the sand
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
stop saying "deep seeded" you shitstain
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
That and the use of phase instead of faze are going to be the slow silent death of me.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I'm going to get all uppity about it
you guys need to recognize a true master
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs honestly may be the best troll we've ever had
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
haxp
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
I just can't...
― frogify bool sheet (beachville), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
I think we may be too dumb to be properly trolled. At least I am.
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
comparing asians to space aliens nagl for your argument
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
no question at all
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
nice to see that in 2012, 42 members of socially progressive message board ILX find a racist, flagrantly offensive and stereotypical asian character written by a white guy from a rich chicago suburb to be 'funny'
just gonna ignore the bottom half of the results, too
― dayo, Monday, January 30, 2012 6:19 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
whats wrong with chicago >:(
― #YOLO #NAMASTE (D-40), Saturday, 4 February 2012 10:43 (twelve years ago) link
If Ferris Bueller is supposed to represent the idealized Chicago, where the neatest thing for a kid playing hooky is to go to a snooty restaurant and then a museum, then sing in a white pride parade, then that's what's wrong with Chicago.
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
pretty much the white suburban chicago dream right there
― mh, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
I don't get it at all. My mom would kill me if I made fun of an Asian! Plus he is kind of cute. As far as Ferris Bueller I knew people like that in high school, you are supposed to listen to new wave music, get mad at your dad and then kill yourself. Feel bad about being rich!
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners) (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
when i played hooky in the chicago burbs i hung around belmont and clark went to 'the alley' and seedy record shops.
― omar little, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
I never played hooky but sometimes we went downtown without telling mom and dad. Get twenty bucks from dad, drive downtown and eat at Melrose.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners) (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
― omar little, Saturday, February 4, 2012 1:56 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol you mean that dank one (that no longer exists) just east of the belmont el right? RIP
― #YOLO #NAMASTE (D-40), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
when i played hooky in the chicago burbs i hung around belmont and clark...
...at the Punkin' Donuts!
― kate78, Saturday, 4 February 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
you know it! there used to be a shitty used cd store on clark just south of belmont iirc. this was in 1995 or w/e so it's been a long time. damn i miss that dirty ould town.
― omar little, Saturday, 4 February 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
that shitty used CD store was there as recently as 2004 or '05 i think. i'm not sure if it's still there now
― D-40, Sunday, 5 February 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
Disc-G0-R0und? I think it's gone. And it was indeed shitty.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
time was when you actually enetered "the alley" through an alley.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 07:53 (twelve years ago) link
I have a lot of sympathy for comedians like Ken Jeong who get shit for playing clowns because, wtf, it's really fun to play a clown and why should they not be allowed to just because of their race. Like only white comedians should be allowed to play lunatics? The problem is when the joke is "lol asian" rather than "lol lunatic" and while I think the line is blurred in something like the hangover, John Hughes adding gongs to every long duk dong scene makes it considerably less blurry in sixteen candles.
The cultural influence of Sixteen Candles is obviously toxic, but one wouldn't have to change much to just make the guy an eager foreign student on a drunken rampage (and as an MBA student I've witnessed some), which one can find the humor and truth in without stripping the character of dignity entirely (and tbh, few characters in sixteen candles have any dignity - surprised the word "bohunk" hasn't come up yet). There's elements of Wantanabe's performance I love that aren't that different than something like McLovin in Superbad, and it's sad that for a variety of reasons that were either out of his hands or he was naive about, they're couched in stuff that's really ugly.
TS: the racist kid in Sixteen Candles who says the mom should burn the sheets after Dong leaves vs. the racist kid in The Last Dragon who calls his older brother a "chocolate covered yellow peril."
― da croupier, Sunday, 5 February 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxw4uZAezaI
― mookieproof, Sunday, 5 February 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
worst chinese accent ever (probably because that girl is obviously a native english speaker)
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Sunday, 5 February 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link