borderline
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
She walks these hills, in a long duk dong
― buzza, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
I think I remember that's how it went down. The thing that gets me is Jake basically said "Lol have fun doing whatever you want to my passed out girlfriend!" which in the movie was supposed to be okay because she was a bitch.
jake hands ted a six-pack before they drive off! he wants both of them drunk! the whole thing is a set-up so he has a reason to break up with caroline, which is exactly what happens, is how i read it.
also i am awful suspicious of jake's intentions towards sam. he frames the differences between sam and caroline in terms of caroline's insensitivity and selfishness vs. wanting a serious girlfriend who would love him and whom he could love, etc., but all he really knows about sam is from the note he read where she says she's a virgin but would do it with him. no way he's not considering that through the rest of the movie. he actually knows nothing about her from a personal point of view. plus, there are about ten or so repeated instances in the movie where sam is referred to as a child, or physically less developed than caroline, who has a woman's body (cf the nude shower scene) and is sexually active (which jake is bored with already). so it seems there's a maiden/ mother archetype subtext to the whole thing. sam's even wearing her bridesMAID's dress in the final scene where they kiss. ostensibly it's framed that while he should prefer the more womanly, sexual caroline, he cares more about matters of the heart and so chooses sam, with whom he can envision having a serious relationship. however, it's the virgin note which piques his interest and the repeated references to how sam's just on the cusp of womanhood that make me think that's what's driving him.
i dunno, there just seems like there's a duplicity at play here.
having "if you were here" playing over the closing scene ain't helping, either:
if you were herei could deceive youand if you were hereyou would believebut would you suspectmy emotion wandering, yeahdo not want a part of this anymore
― slugbuggy, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
larry clark should do a remake
― da croupier, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not trying to defend this in front of a thesis committee, btw. i just think structurally it's weird that they drop the "am virgin, want to do it with jake" thing the he KNOWS about at the start of the movie and then never address it again. it's just hanging there over everything else that happens after that.
― slugbuggy, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
like, in any other teen movie, they would not shut up about it.
― slugbuggy, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
I was just getting ready to revive this thread, but not to talk about the donger.
Short Round/Data (Jonathan Ke Quan) got brought up in the action movies thread. Less offensive than LDD, probably. But how much less?
Bonus thought: Big Trouble in Little China. Certainly has Chinese stereotypes/Asian exoticism in it. But also has a variety of characters. Or am I just fooling myself? Ebert says "straight out of the era of Charlie Chan and Fu Manchu, with no apologies and all of the usual stereotypes"
― The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
whoa i didnt know adrian tomine was asian
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 18 February 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
i think the deal with big trouble in little china is that it's trying to reflect a specifically asian approach to fantasy, so the characters are borrowed from wuxia films and literature and chinese supernatural tales, etc. but yeah, it definitely slides into charlie chan/exotica territory. difference between actually being something and copying/spoofing that thing from "outside".
i've never found it particularly offensive, despite its many obvious stereotypes, but maybe i need to rethink it a bit.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
it's not like white people come off great in Big Trouble In Little China.
― da croupier, Sunday, 19 February 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/14/interview_with_my_bully_when_i_confronted_my_bully_about_racism/singleton/
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 20 February 2012 12:47 (twelve years ago) link
rob schneider plays a chinese man in 'i now pronounce you chuck and larry'? welp.
― sunn :o))) (Merdeyeux), Monday, January 9, 2012 7:12 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc3GBDJ2sK0
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/COyD1.jpg
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:17 (twelve years ago) link
what the fucking fuck
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
this shouldn't be surprising since rob was the bobby lee of SNL.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 February 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, February 20, 2012 8:47 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
he also plays a grotesquely caricatured hawaiian in 50 first dates
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2004/Feb/13/tgif1ula_b.jpg
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't every Schneider role in a Sandler movie a racial caricature of some kind?
― Number None, Monday, 20 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like any outrage over Rob Schneider isn't probably well-placed these days
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
that last pic doesn't do justice to the blackface aspect of the performance
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 20 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, maybe? i don't see many adam sandler movies.
http://www.accesshollywood.com/rob-schneider-hoping-to-tackle-racial-stereotypes-in-respectful-way-on-rob_article_58941
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRL0QXLFGV4
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
that clip was so bad that it was actually elevated by racism.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
wow that show is really _that_ bad, isn't it?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 23 February 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
the brunette appears to be delivering her lines through a codeine haze
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 23 February 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago) link
that makes me think more of her, like this will be a "I was on drugs and accepted bad roles and now my career is in a happy place" will be in the future
― valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 23 February 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
the laugh track is
fucking hell
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 23 February 2012 05:33 (twelve years ago) link
that is a beautiful piece of free verse. i am not kidding.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 23 February 2012 05:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://shanghaiist.com/2012/03/15/french_tennis_pro_michael_llodra_ap.php
rench tennis player Michaël Llodra (ranked No. 41 in the world) recently pulled off a Vincent Chin-esque double-whammy of racial insensitivity, after he reportedly screamed "Fucking Chinese!" at a Korean-American woman in attendance during his first round match against Ernests Gulbis at the BNP Paribas Open in Indian Wells, California. He has since taken to his website to apologize in a classically non-apologetic fashion, by qualifying that he is not a racist, and that he lost his temper because the Indian Wells court being uncooperative, and also because tournament organizers scheduled his matches poorly.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 15 March 2012 12:22 (twelve years ago) link
Vincent Chin-esque? Hmmm.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 15 March 2012 12:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Vincent_Chin
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 15 March 2012 12:31 (twelve years ago) link
the reference is to the fact that the people who killed vincent chin thought he was japanese (the murderers were detroit auto workers)
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 15 March 2012 12:32 (twelve years ago) link
I know the case, but it seemed strange that the writer would think screaming a racial epithet is similar to what happened to Vincent Chin.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 15 March 2012 12:33 (twelve years ago) link
well here the opposing tennis player was korean american
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 15 March 2012 12:34 (twelve years ago) link
You mean the woman in the audience (Gulbis is Latvian)
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 12:41 (twelve years ago) link
haha yeah, that kind of makes it worse
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 15 March 2012 12:49 (twelve years ago) link
random yelling at audience members is... random
― mh, Thursday, 15 March 2012 13:14 (twelve years ago) link
insightful observation
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
tennis matches are kind of surreal that way; you have to be quiet, but they're all fired up and ready to yell obscenities at the line judge (or random audience members, whatever)
― frogbs, Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/tennis-busted-racquet/llodra-apology-love-chinese-totally-love-chinese-girl-194815124.html
hoo boy
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
The most cringeworthy thing about the Colbert Report is when he slips into his 'self-consciously' racist Chinese bit. The joke is that he's being overly racist! Isn't that funny!?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
For that matter, pretty much any and all self-consiously ott racism really gets on my nerves. It's lazy, it's not funny, and it's only not-racism in a very specific context.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
tbf Colbert's entire act is that he's being self-consciously conservative and his humor in-character is... oh god too much meta
― mh, Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah but when he brings the Chinese joke guy up, it's just turning up the tasteless level to 11.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
I've never witnessed this (stop watching Colbert regularly some time ago) but one thing that has always REAAAALLLY pissed me off about the Daily Show was its constant "lol furriners" schtick (eg, "here's a clip of something weird going on in another country! Listen to me make silly jokes about how strange they are in the voiceover!" Awful).
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
agreed on all counts
― mh, Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
It bothered me when David Letterman used to do that (foreigners who don't speak English well and fat people = comedy gold), but he seems to have stopped quite a while ago. I wonder if it's because he got too many complaints, got mature, or realized that his life has become joke fodder too.
― nickn, Thursday, 15 March 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure it's a sign of the times more than anything
― mh, Thursday, 15 March 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
I am very relieved to find out that Michael Llodra does not have a racist penis
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link