Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - Classic or Dud [spoilers]

so did the series deal in some way with Bobby having killed a drug dealer?
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, March 2, 2012 8:27 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah drug dealer dude decomposed in the forest unnoticed.

One thing that kind of bothered me in the movie was the stuff with Laura's diary and the torn out pages that implicated Leland/BOB, but apparently they were going to deal with those pages if Season 3 had happened.

Uuuuggghhh stop reviving this thread if it doesn't relate to the impending availability of the deleted scenes in one form or another!

I'm still crossing my fingers in anticipation of a Lemon Yellow Set...

I think we've seen just the right amount of TP there needs to be.

"we've"

yep, speaking on behalf of everyone as we all do implicitly

and BOB looks like a roadie.

the Bob thing works because Bob's not a scary looking guy, he's just a guy. any guy at all. it just happened to be that (non) actor as the result of a fluke.

oh no, he's definitely scary looking

i don't see "roadie" and "scary" as being mutually exclusive

Yep, Bob just looks like any old guy at all

http://weeklycoitus.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/old-man.jpg

"Catch you...with my colostomy bag!"

he doesn't look like every guy but he looks like just a guy. not a scary guy. a guy guy.

a ROADIE.

not really. he makes creepy faces all the time. that is not necessarily in a roadie's job description.

his ordinariness may be part of the horror, right? Just some dude who lives over a convenience store who happened to turn into a demon.

I didn't really 'get' the Bowie camera thing, or the bullshit with the ring.

on another T.P. thread we discuss this -- the scenes are remnants of a much longer screenplay that explained (somewhat tediously) all that stuff. lynch had to cut a lot of scenes to make the film a manageable length, and in doing so he seems to have deliberately rendered much of the film incoherent.

the full script is/was available online somewhere, damned if i remember where though.

lynch had to cut a lot of scenes to make the film a manageable length, and in doing so he seems to have deliberately rendered much of the film incoherent.

After watching the deleted scenes in the Lime Green set, this is now my exact impression of Wild At Heart. So many of the baffling things in that movie are explained relatively clearly with the context of those deleted scenes, and the entire effort seems to have been in the service of making the film more (airquotes) "Lynchian". Like he was putting in an excess of effort in trying to live up to his own style/hype. The finished film feels a lot more flimsy to me now, although it never was one of my favorites of his.

That said, he made it work with TP:FWWM. The strange and unexplained scenes feel much more authentically (airquoteless) Lynchian.

the script doesn't really explain Bowie's character though. I think Bowie's character and "Judy" are showing that there is this other world inhabited by BOB et al. and that it's fucking terrifying and Chet Desmond is now stuck there.

IIRC there's only one other scene with bowie's character in the script and it involves him teleporting to Cairo or something and setting a room on fire.

FWWM, Lost Highway and Wild at Heart were all made with the contractual obligation to keep the films at most 2 hours and 15 minutes in length. With LH and WaH I think it led to the films being too long and FWWM ended up too short.

the script doesn't really explain Bowie's character though. I think Bowie's character and "Judy" are showing that there is this other world inhabited by BOB et al. and that it's fucking terrifying and Chet Desmond is now stuck there.

― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well it doesn't exactly "explain" it but it does at least place it into some context IIRC.

they showed a really knackered looking print at the BFI Lynch fest supposedly, which i find astonishing for such a relativley recent film. The copy they had of Lost Highway had *French subtitles*!

^very commonplace if it's not a beloved blockbuster

FWWM ended up too short

oh, never

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liblxiuc541qzyllfo1_500.jpg

^this

would look nice on yr wall

That reminds me of something I've searched the internet for over the years. In "Inland Empire" when they are in Poland around the dinner table there is some painting of an arm holding a candle on the wall. I've been looking for the artist or title for years with no luck.

i would imagine it's a lynch painting or photo of his that looks like a painting but i can only vaguely remember it.

Yeah I think it's at around 2 minutes in on this clip, but the low resolution makes it pretty much impossible to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9_O5wK6yOk&feature=related

they showed a really knackered looking print at the BFI Lynch fest supposedly, which i find astonishing for such a relativley recent film. The copy they had of Lost Highway had *French subtitles*!

― piscesx, Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:02 AM (20 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

copyright holders in both cases are french companies (canal+?) and they must not have been able to wrangle new prints out of 'em. i'm sure good elements exist in both cases; the french are generally good at this.

i have seen some late-90s central asian films that look like release prints from the 1930s.

http://www.copronason.com/tpreview2/images/shag.jpg

http://www.copronason.com/tpreview2/images/ryan_heshka_voice_of_love.jpg

Plenty more for those who know shit from shinola: http://www.copronason.com/tpreview2/index.html#20

Forgot how terrifying this shit is

lynch can make the blood run cold like few others

scene w/ mike screaming at leland from his truck induces legit panic attack

https://38.media.tumblr.com/e3d27132d35cf63d1a53a6a77f8e2684/tumblr_nczmy8oQgv1snmmclo1_500.gif

That one was ok

Anything in bedrooms destroyed me. Im a mess rn

What's Lynch's most terrifying scene over all? I think I may go with the video cammed scenes of Patricia Arquette's mutilated body in Lost Highway or the "call me" party scene from the same film.

Darragh, did you watch the theatrical version or the extended fan-cut of this?

amazingly, it might be one of the scenes from the network television show he created! the two murder scenes in s2, bob climbing over the couch, the laura palmer doppelganger screaming in the last episode...

then again the first time I watched mullholland dr the diner scene got me good

I really love fwwm: the missing pieces, the feature film that david lynch edited from deleted fwwm scenes, but I'm turned off by the idea of watching a version of fwwm where some nerd has inserted them back in. Especially once laura's story gets going, I think the decision not to cut keep cutting away to big ed and pete is a good one, however great those scenes are

cut

Oh yeah the man behind winky' scene. That's probably the most terrifying thing he did.

I understand where you're coming from wins although I'm going to watch it regardless.

What's Lynch's most terrifying scene over all?

Either Maddy's death or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A7ksKLqvpQ

I guess the theatrical, jed?

Bob couch prob the worst scene, my god

Old lunch otm

The most amazing thing is the in-camera(ness) - excuse my lack of vocabulary - of what he achieves. Even something as simple as the v close up camera shifting in and out of focus as they prize up Teresa's nail to find the typed letter hidden under there but it reaches a kind of sublime in the backwards scenes of the man from the red room with Bob and the guy in the blank misshapen punted nose mask jumping up and down backwards shrouded in smoke. I'm watching the fan edit (for shame) but that scene is extremely extended in that version and unlike anything I've ever seen in film, truly. Pretty sure it's not all in the theatrical cut anyway. It is uniquely terrifying and inspiring. Terrifyingly beautiful.

There's a little boy in the scene and he has the same misshapen pointed nose mask as the guy with the flat top Afro and he moves the mask back and forward to uncover his face and when he does it one time it's the face of a real white haired monkey. Then the boy points to Bob and says "fell a victim" backwards. Shudder.

The same monkey we see later in the film who (if you turn the volume pretty much all the way up) you hear whisper 'Judy' (presumably the Judy that Phillip Jeffries is ranting about earlier). Freaked my shit out the first time I caught that.

https://vimeo.com/151489812

bob over the couch scared the shit out of me.

lynch the master of creepy in twin peaks in general tho. like even the repetitive static shot of the damn ceiling fan in the palmer's house is fucking chilling.

Like everyone else, I've been revisiting TP and finally reached the end with this movie. Hadn't seen it since I saw it at the cinema upon its first release: my overwhelming memory was of it being perhaps the scariest movie Lynch had ever made. That might've been the impact of watching it on a big screen - this time round, I was much more frequently ambushed by unexpected emotion, particularly during the final scene of Laura laughing hysterically and being comforted by Cooper; as the 'last' moment in TP (until the revival, obv) it seemed to emphasise the tragedy at the heart of the story, just what a short, horrible life that Laura Palmer had. A more 'realistic', straight-forward telling of the same story would not have anything like the same power, I don't think, so the film acts as justification and celebration of Lynch's obscurantism and allusiveness. Underneath it all, he's an incredibly 'warm' director who seems very heavily invested in his characters.

So, onto the new series.

Underneath it all, he's an incredibly 'warm' director who seems very heavily invested in his characters.

v. otm