xp Like, the first "message board" I ever posted to was Salon's Table Talk. I mostly lurked on the film threads.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, in my mind salon is a late 90s thing, stopped looking at it years ago when the pay thing became too much of a pain to wade thru.
― buzza, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
"mothers who think"
http://www.slate.fr/
― iatee, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
fuck the atlantic
― horseshoe, Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:17 AM (10 minutes ago)
except when once in a while they run a neat piece, like once every two years
― a serious minestrone rockist (remy bean), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
recently deleted bookmark on slate, really just a bunch of mediocre writing & groupthink/received ideas/convential wisdom imo
never cottoned to salon, it always seemed a bit too "alt-weekly" for my taste but the ilxor who writes on politics there is v good when i see links to his stuff
the atlantic i almost never read so idk
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
salon the worst. paglia and greenwald, enough said. i still read it daily. slate the best, tho i miss shafer. and slate has the worst tv critic in the world.
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Don't really read Atlantic apart from Sully; slate is still too corporate and some of the stuff on there is really of the magnets how the fuck do they work variety. Salon has some truly awful writers workin for them but the top politics dudes all raise it up imo
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
all the arts criticism in slate is lame
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
voted for the new yorker
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Sully no longer at Atlantic
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
sorry yr right about that.
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
atlantic def has the juice right now as far as being most internet, anyway they each have one guy who i read regularly, tho prob the atlantic has the most guys i read semi regularly, slate is good for bullshit factoid pieces, salon is kinda unbearable as far as their whole tone/culture, atlantic is more thinking smart thoughts abt the world by inhuman people who have been to lots of college and twitter but not the actual world, idk theyre all p good, voted atlantic just because they r best at leveraging social media
― lag∞n, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
the only one of these i ever read with any regularity was slate, but that was a while ago. remember dahlia lithwick fondly.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
I just wait for longform.org to cherry-pick shit from all of the above
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
I really don't glance at Slate much these days unless someone links to an article. The quality of the writing has deteriorated now that it's got real competition.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I am amazed each of these sites makes enough money to pay lots of salaries and I wonder if tablet-culture is gonna make that harder. it'd prob be harder to put up a paywall today than it was in their failed-experiment days, there really are a lot of other places to go for 'this kinda stuff'. or maybe it's the opposite cause people are willing to pay for apps.
― iatee, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
eh i feel like they hit a sweet spot of quality/accessibility that looks easier than it is
― lag∞n, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
paglia and greenwald, enough said.
Ha, is Paglia seriously still writing for Salon??
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
I like the Atlantic blogs but man the features are risible at best (tho the blogs are getting steadily worse).
if i judged solely based on how often i actually click through my RSS feed to read the actual article i'd have to say the Atlantic wins and Slate comes in last.
― ryan, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
Even though I can't remember reading a single Slate piece in maybe a year, they get the vote for the Hang Up and Listen / Political Gabfest podcasts.
― Spertify (CompuPost), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
don't know what to vote for, none of them really have my loyalty or affection. maybe the atlantic? slate is prob the worst to me
― goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
salon the worst. paglia and greenwald, enough said. i still read it daily
this made me lol
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
What the fuck is the deal with all the JFK conspiracy articles on Salon?
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
I only ever read the Atlantic in print, because my parents subscribed to it forever and have now bought me a gift subscription (likewise with Harper's). I did enjoy the recent issue on research into whether parasites from cats can alter our behavior. Had ~just~ enough tabloidness about it.
― dan m, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
Also this great pic of the principal researcher:
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/coma/images/issues/201203/mcauliffe-wide.jpg
― dan m, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
agl
― goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Every time I visit Slate they have some challopsy article featured, like "Why Beer is Better Warm than Cold"
― President Keyes, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, March 8, 2012 12:51 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
atlantic has that "ideas conf." though it makes a legit profit on its own im pretty sure, likely thru smart web strategyslate is owned by wapo/kaplan and i dont think would make a profit otherwisesalon im pretty sure has until very recently been on the brink of complete failure though i guess theyve turned around in the last 6mo/1yr
― max, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
anyway i dont really have a strong feeling. atlantic is probably the best designed. salon has more of my favorite writers.
rly wonder abt the money side of all of these, esp salon
i'm amazed at the comment box action salon gets.
― goole, Friday, 9 March 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
salon -- the only one of these i check every day, obv for greenwald but their political coverage is generally pretty good. i almost never read online comments but the threads on their advice columnist's posts (which usually contain no actual advice and are kind of like garrison keillor on acid or something) are invariably entertaining. andrew o'hehir is way less hateable than the zacharek/taylor terrible twosome.
slate -- kind of totally hate it, literally cannot remember ever reading a single memorable article there, except for those 'random fact' pieces like 'so whatever happened to that hole in the ozone layer'?
atlantic -- i actually had a subscription for a year, which is more than long enough to notice that all their cover stories sound exactly the same. good articles here and there, of course.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
I am amazed each of these sites makes enough money to pay lots of salaries
i always wonder how much they pay their writers
― lex pretend, Friday, 9 March 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
does that really annoying mommy blog lady still write for salon? ayelet waldman? i used to read salon in the early 00s just to be annoyed by her.
― sarahell, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago) link
if slate can't break even what good is it to wapo?
― iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
i dont read any of these and thought the atlantic was a 'magazine'
― Lamp, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
well wapo cant break even either
― lag∞n, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i guess slate is prob a better long term bet than a newspaper
― iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
― President Keyes, Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:23 PM (3 hours ago)
ha!
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
Until looking at this poll I am p sure I thought slate and salon were the same thing. Same looking websites! Same looking name!
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
Like thank god slate is not on trial and I'm not an eyewitness testimony.
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
even their stupid favicons are borderline indistinguishable
i think the commenters on slate are marginally saner than the ones on salon
― Mordy, Friday, 9 March 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago) link
Greenwald, Pareene, Seitz, duh
Seitz has moved to the Vulture, which brings Salon down in my estimation greatly. Still, I'll vote for it because they occasionally have some good articles, I don't read the Atlantic very often, and Slate's Cultural Gabfest is so terrible and annoying I wind up listening to at least 15 minutes every week before I go nuts and want to scream and then i go back to it just because I can't believe how awful they are.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 9 March 2012 05:46 (twelve years ago) link
though if I'm honest - now that Seitz is gone - I only ever read these when they're linked by someone on Twitter/fb/here.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 9 March 2012 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
from an older thread abt salon:
worst part of salon: the articles that say "i wondered and wondered about whether i was a bad parent for reasons x, y, and z and then realized how wrong conventional wisdom is because i am really a great parent, though i am not perfect because part of good writing is laying out your imperfections." aaaaaarrrgh.― Maria (Maria), Sunday, July 3, 2005 2:16 PM (6 years ago)
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 9 March 2012 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know enough about the Atlantic, but Salon and Slate both suffer from that middle-class "am I ethical enough?" bullshit. They sometimes come off as a parody of what the cliché "Guardian readers" are in the UK. That's why the Slate Culture Gabfest is so goddamn infuriating. There are so many things they treat as "ooh, I know it looks kind of stupid and I can't believe I'm saying it but I really like x".
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 9 March 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
When I was in college I had the vague notion of wanting to be a magazine journalist, and my family referred me to a friend who was a moderately successful magazine journalist, and I remember him being like "you should contact this guy Will Saletan, he's doing this thing called Slate on *the internet*" etc. I had never heard of it at the time, and I was so fucking green and dumb that I just e-mailed Will Saletan and basically said "Hi C____ S_____ said I should e-mail you about an internship can I have one?" and didn't attach a resume or anything.
― simulation and similac (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 March 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/slidingdoors.jpg
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 9 March 2012 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
atlantic is more thinking smart thoughts abt the world by inhuman people who have been to lots of college and twitter but not the actual world
― lag∞n, Thursday, March 8, 2012 5:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
atlantic has maybe 3 writers i read, slate has 2, salon has 1, so atlantic.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 9 March 2012 06:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/2/six-hot-media-startups-to-watch-in-2016.html
― goole, Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:33 (eight years ago) link
lol lol
Al Jazeera America has removed the satirical piece originally posted on this link, which included commentary on our company that we believe was not appropriate given its imminent closure.
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:07 (eight years ago) link
nooooooooooooooooooo!!!
lmao it was so good
― goole, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:10 (eight years ago) link
surely if anything al-jazeera's imminent closure is what made it appropriate
anyway no right to be forgotten
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
more perma link https://web.archive.org/web/20160225134033/http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/2/six-hot-media-startups-to-watch-in-2016.html
― Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Thursday, 25 February 2016 23:22 (eight years ago) link
salon about to become faintly ridiculous in a different way
http://www.politico.com/media/story/2016/08/new-salon-very-different-from-the-old-salon-004705
― goole, Friday, 12 August 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Can't possibly be worse
― Mordy, Friday, 12 August 2016 18:02 (seven years ago) link
oh sure it could!
― goole, Friday, 12 August 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link
i honestly can't tell the difference between slate and onion headlines anymore:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2016/12/i_am_glad_the_harlem_deer_is_dead.html
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:33 (seven years ago) link
that's really an all-time headline.
feels more clickhole tbh.
― the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:55 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Vc9pAWEAArVcf.jpg
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 February 2017 22:16 (seven years ago) link
http://imgur.com/KY3Duj1.jpg
― Mordy, Monday, 13 February 2017 01:48 (seven years ago) link
new slate website design is extremely ugly
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
The Atlantic, by a fair margin.
― dinnerboat, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
atm atlantic is the best of the 3 but they're all really bad i don't visit any regularly any more
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
Should Jews separate anti-Semitism from politics? https://t.co/zMNxsyBKRd pic.twitter.com/zSJSXJPmWi— Slate (@Slate) November 1, 2018
― mookieproof, Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link
pardon?
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link
slate really should stop publishing anything
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/pete-buttigieg-gay-diversity-white-male-candidate.html
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 29 March 2019 21:35 (five years ago) link
they're only good for dear prudence any more
― cheese canopy (map), Friday, 29 March 2019 21:38 (five years ago) link
Wow these three sites have been ILX’s collective punching bag. This thread is just seven years worth of bitching. Why is it every time a site gets redesigned everyone hates it?
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 29 March 2019 23:44 (five years ago) link
i wouldn't have expected a white knight for salon, slate and the atlantic to appear at this hour and for that white knight to be mr. snrub
― cheese canopy (map), Friday, 29 March 2019 23:51 (five years ago) link
xp every redesign is a betrayal
― j., Saturday, 30 March 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
it's sad, it was an american century
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D30q0pvXkAIxSPx.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:52 (five years ago) link
my fuckin dentist
rat bastard
― j., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:56 (five years ago) link
The Atlantic is cutting 68 staffers - 17% of the total. Imagine having a staff of 400 and not being able to produce anything better than The Atlantic.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link
The shrinking of media jobs is depressing but if it must happen...
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link
That's too bad. I don't usually think much of the Atlantic but they've been rocking their pandemic coverage imo.
― The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:22 (four years ago) link
i guess laurene powell jobs ran out of money : /
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link
the greatest #slatepitch of all: the dark side of coloring books
https://slate.com/culture/2020/08/coloring-books-history-coronavirus.html
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 15 August 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link
Basically, the center-right is terrified of the far-left and the center-left is terrified of the far right, and that is causing both to be less willing to criticize the fringe that is closest to them, which many earnestly see as obviously the lesser threat.— Conor Friedersdorf (@conor64) September 6, 2020
Brain genius stuff
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:23 (three years ago) link
Seems like a weakness for a political journalist.
Maybe! I certainly worry about far right terrorists more. But I don't trust my ability to know who is the bigger threat and assiduously oppose both— Conor Friedersdorf (@conor64) September 6, 2020
― jaymc, Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link
what if there were one stop shop for greenwald, megan mcardle and slate cultural criticism. wouldn't that be your homepage too?
― Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link
for me to poop on
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 19:01 (three years ago) link
Atlantic on Atlantic crime
Saying nothing at all is an option that is permanently available to you, and that I urge you to more frequently consider. The same goes for tagging me into your thoughts.— Ed Yong (@edyong209) February 24, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 24 February 2022 16:55 (two years ago) link
The Atlantic has run the "you just can't say ANYTHING these days" essay again. This time, it's credited to Sarah Hepola. What's infuriating about this essay, no matter whose byline it carries this week, is that it pretends there are "forbidden" opinions that cry out to be debated, but...never tells you what they are. Because they're "forbidden," you see. I would love it if just one of these pieces offered a list of the topics you "can't write about." But they never do. "I’d grown terrified of being banished for views I considered reasonable, or at least worth discussing" — LIKE WHAT? COME ON, GIVE US JUST ONE. I DARE YOU. She gets SO close, too: "suddenly we were living in a time when so much that was once considered fair game for discussion (education, biological differences, the benefits of policing) had become dangerous." Love that second one, tucked carefully into that parenthetical... I'm sure someone at the Atlantic would be happy to give Hepola Charles Murray's email address; they could talk "biological differences" all day long and into the night. Oh, but she wouldn't be able to "discuss" it with readers of the Atlantic! The loss to our culture is incalculable, truly.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 12 March 2022 19:38 (two years ago) link
Why do artists and designers keep doing this? And why don't editors tell them, "I see what you did there, ha ha. Now put together the real version by deadline."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO72AjvXIAUKEsu.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 28 March 2022 12:01 (two years ago) link
Stupid, but funny.
Fact Check-Fabricated image purports to show racist headline published by The Atlantic on Judge Clarence ThomasBy Reuters Fact CheckA digitally altered image circulating online purports to show a racist headline published by The Atlantic about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas following the Court’s reversal of Roe v. Wade. No such headline was published by the outlet, and the image is digitally altered.The Atlantic logo is viewable at the top of the image, while the purported headline reads: “It’s Not Racist To Call Judge Clarence Thomas The N Word.”A user who shared the image on Twitter said: “The “tolerant” Left is only tolerant of those who agree with them. Step out of line and the true nature of the Left presents itself”.One iteration of the image gathered more than 1,000 likes at the time of writing....A spokesperson for The Atlantic told Reuters no such headline was published by the outlet.“This is a fabricated article, and we are reporting it as fake and a trademark infringement,” the spokesperson told Reuters.
A digitally altered image circulating online purports to show a racist headline published by The Atlantic about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas following the Court’s reversal of Roe v. Wade. No such headline was published by the outlet, and the image is digitally altered.
The Atlantic logo is viewable at the top of the image, while the purported headline reads: “It’s Not Racist To Call Judge Clarence Thomas The N Word.”
A user who shared the image on Twitter said: “The “tolerant” Left is only tolerant of those who agree with them. Step out of line and the true nature of the Left presents itself”.
One iteration of the image gathered more than 1,000 likes at the time of writing.
...
A spokesperson for The Atlantic told Reuters no such headline was published by the outlet.
“This is a fabricated article, and we are reporting it as fake and a trademark infringement,” the spokesperson told Reuters.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:57 (one year ago) link
This article is completely insane. It's like something out of National Review. I half expect the author to be on Tucker Carlson by the end of the week.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 17:44 (one year ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcaV2e6XoAE5le0?format=jpg&name=large
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Monday, 12 September 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link
They should have gone with Vox. The Atlantic is home to like 9,000,000 alarmist essays about campus cancel culture
― rob, Monday, 12 September 2022 20:28 (one year ago) link
https://slate.com/culture/2022/12/white-lotus-finale-hbo-sex-scene-nudity.html
― rob, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 14:34 (one year ago) link