Oh! I wasn't WTF-ing at you, ENBB! I was generally crying out to the general afterbirth-munchers of the world.
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
I say that, btw, because I'm pretty sure that might be one in particular. Also MH, seriously.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
Je55e you have called me out, tis true. I am 100% hypocrite when it comes to spleen vs placenta.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
well, it's a valid possibility, combining the people who want to respect the life of a baby that didn't make it and those who feel the placenta stays attached or whatever
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
lol Jesse I've been saying throught this thread that, while definitely unusal, I don't think it's the craziest thing in the world and that I'd probably at least research the possibily of doing it when/if I ever have kids.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
leeeet's move on, mh
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
don't trust anything I say, I was a formula baby
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
it's taking me a while to get down with the idea, I've not really been that exposed to this kinda stuff so my reactions ITT have pretty much been my brain being all O_O people do WHATNOW
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
However, proponents of lotus births view the baby and the placenta as existing within the same auric field
yeah uh idk if this is wiki nonsense but i detect a whiff of total bullshit
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
oh sorry, that's just the rotting placenta
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
elmo, namaste
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
what is an auric field
somehow I don't think it's a big sphere of gold
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
x-post lol u jerk
(I was a formula baby (and have the chronically fucked up ears to prove it!) too)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
obviously instead of the mother holding on to the soul that was in the placenta by eating it, they are giving the soul time to naturally transfer to the baby
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
it makes perfect logical sense, just ask contenderizer
Wait you mean that it's a fake wiki article? No. It's definitely a thing.
http://www.lotusbirthcampaign.org/
http://www.achildbirth.com/lotus-birth.html
I really wish I could find the pictures where the lady documented it with her placenta bag and stuff. Dammit.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
tbh nothing is going to top the placenta teddy bear posted upthread
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
no no, i mean i'm not relying on a wiki article to speak for all proponents of lotus birthing, who knows who wrote that sentence
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
placenta bear
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
afterbear
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
Ah, right. I defintely dind't mean to do that if it seemed like I had.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
I think elmo is incredulous that people are referring to auras and stuff as a reason to do this and that someone perhaps added that to the wiki article as a joke
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
I'm usually pretty pro-cuddlestein ILX, but if you're going to eat your baby's placenta, you're going to face some derision from your friends on the internet. That's just the way things go.
If you are going to carry the placenta around with you until it rots off your baby, step up so I can deride you directly for your choices.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
lol 'afterbear' hahaha
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
<3 carl
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
c, you did a straight up "Well, A then B, and B then C, so it stands to reason that since A then C"
I'm not going to spend all day shaking my head and going back and forth. I get where you're coming from in that anecdotal ideas etc but sheesh watch it on the basic logic problems.
― mh, Tuesday, April 3, 2012 6:38 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i've read through everything i posted itt, and this is just horseshit, no offense. my logic was all A-dependent (A being that most mammals eat the placenta). to the extent that anything was B-dependent, i wasn't making any kind of insistent A-then-C connection. if there's a point you want to argue, do so. insults and nonspecific claims of logical fallacy are no argument at all.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
or you could both just let it go, I have no idea what you're even talking about anymore jeez guys
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
xp yeah it's the aura thing specifically, auras are a nice thing to think about and contemplate but when you get into the pseudoscience of 'auric energy transfers' via the umbilicus it just seems so warped and delusional
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
What I was thinking when I wrote what I did was:
- There may be special nutritional or medicinal value to be gained from human placentaphagy but there is no proof of it- Some people value the placenta's symbolism b/c it is part of an emotional experience, so they eat it, and that is UNUSUAL (i.e. "WTF") BUT FINE- But to claim health benefits when science doesn't support such claims = woo
xp - lol, OTM x2
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Awesome to find out that this is the thing that turns people into straight up assholes on ILX. Who knew?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
Someone pissed in their placentas..?
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
I knew, but then again, I would have known.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
I think this has been a notably gentle thread for involving some pretty oddball behaviors bolstered by specious reasoning.
I'd also deride those who buy into auric energy transfers, while we're deriding things.
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:54 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
mh has been sniping at me for a while itt. i was nice abt it for a while, but now i'm starting to get pissed off. grumble grouse mutter...
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
you guys should sit down, break placenta, and talk it out
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
most mammals eat placenta -> it must have nutritional content or some benefit -> humans could get nutritional content or benefit from placenta?
idk, I'm dropping it
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
argument from (possibly) false premisemodus ponensetc
you pick that placenta back up, young man
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
this is not a barn
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
NB I very very seriously looked into becoming a midwife and it's not something I have entirely ruled out doing in the future. Natural midwife-assisted childbirth is something I've very interested for a variety of reasons. I do not necessarily plan to ever eat or cart around a placenta in my lifetime. However, these are both things sometimes practiced by people seeking alternative birth experiences rather than hospital-based fully medicalized childbirths** which is something I wholeheartedly support. As such, I feel that it's sort of important to keep an open mind (or at least not be a total jerk about) about related things that I might not fully understand especially when I'm reasonably certain that at least one ILXOR reading this has made similar choices and migh be hurt by some unnecessarily harsh and uninformed words.
** Which are not necessarily always negative things, obv.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
11111111000000000011111111122226
― JacobSanders, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
I have a friend who worked with a midwife in NYC for quite a while! I should drop her a note asking about this, or bring it up when she's in town.
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
sorry my cat decide to post
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - I was like, what the?!
And yes, this is one of those hot button issues for me becuase of the countless times I've heard really poorly informed people go off and freak out about things just because someone suggests doing them in a way that goes against the grain. I wasn't calling anyone in particular as asshole btw. It can just be really frustrating at times.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
lol jacob I was going to ask if u were having a stroke
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
Haha. I wondered if that was a response to "at least one," where JS was suggesting that the real number was 11111101002202566 ILXors.
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
might be hurt by some unnecessarily harsh and uninformed words.
E, I don't think anyone here has said any of this shouldn't be done, only that it fires against our own sensibilities. That applies to a lot of aesthetic, political, or religious ideas that many people have and it's not really something to take personally -- I would think doing something like eating a placenta or carrying it around is part of a larger life sensibility and people disliking that doesn't mean they dislike the person.
I do stuff people consider dumb every day. I'm willing to hear why those things are dumb, but if they don't hurt other people and I still think it's ok, then it's ok.
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
btw acting like we're less informed just because we haven't done something is... misguided
― mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
If you're going to eat the placenta, I think you should eat it before birth. Like eating grapes straight from the vine.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
I see on xp that you're not calling out anybody in particular, but: My comments about placentophagia are not uninformed. I am well informed about the lack of scientific support for any health benefits. If somebody wants to eat it for spiritual reasons (or bury it under a tree, which is actually kind of sweet), or decides that since there's studies showing that it's bad to eat placenta, then more placenta to them.
I'm also comfortable challenging people's decisions not to vaccinate their children even though that might go against the beliefs of some ILX parents.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link