Jon is inside a wolf
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
lol its cool i dont know most of the characters names anyway
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
Jon is Inside a Wolf Inside a Turkey. He's a Jowokey.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
There's an interesting thread on the Westeros forum (where obsessives pour over the books for clues endlessly) that attempts to list out where each and every character is at the end of Dance With Dragons. It is a very long list and went a long way toward convincing me that these books will never get any kind of resolution.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
also forgot: Arya gets her sight back, along with a new face
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure if Jon is going to be inside the wolf or brought back to life by the red queen. Either would work, though the first would be more interesting.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.11086801.6316/fc,220x200,white.jpg
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
if they do the whole showdown at Craster's now, it would be a pretty huge departure. That's skipping forward like a thousand pages.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:35 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
i feel like the longer the show goes on, the more it's going to create its own universe with all those little departures adding up into something bigger. but i dont really care because im honestly not that into the show, i just want the next book. hurry up george!!!!
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
the show needs its own universe because it can't really sustain all of the plot threads of the book
basically I think if they keep focused on Dany and Tyrion (with Bran and Arya as the main subplots), they can reshuffle/redo most everything else and get away with it
they absolutely need a Red Wedding analogue though; the culling of competing kings is a pretty important piece of the overall series no matter what form it takes
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
they need the red wedding, period, it's by far the most badass moment in teh whole series
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
i love how there's so much dready build up to it but u never actually think he'll do THAT
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
/how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that/I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens
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― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
It'll probably be even more shocking in the show since Rob is already a bigger character than he was in the books
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
booming post canks, that'll keep the riffraff out
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
what book does the red wedding take place in
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
storm of swords
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
man wait u forgot ppl out skydoors
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
what did max reveal on the other thread?? was it melisandre getting 'pregnant'? because i so nearly wrote that.
i will repeat from elsewhere, no way jon is dead.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
no one is dead
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
well, Robb is dead
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
never clicking again
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
also, one departure i would like to suggest is gilly gets killed immediately so that terrible woman isn't on my tv anymore
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
aw, what did Kristin Wiig ever do to you
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
this is not the thread you want to open having noticed only that it has "GAME OF THRONES" in the title
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
So it's been renewed for season three, which means that now the show has to untangle books three and four, which will be a tough gig.
My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
they cut his head off and replaced it with his wolfs
― Lamp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, S2 finale
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting to see how they're breaking this down
201: The North RemembersWritten by David Benioff & D.B Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 1 April 2012
202: The Night LandsWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 8 April 2012
203: What is Dead May Never DieWritten by Bryan Cogman, directed by Alik SakharovAirdate: 15 April 2012
204: Garden of BonesWritten by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David PetrarcaAirdate: 22 April 2012
205: The Ghost of HarrenhalWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Petrarca Airdate: 29 April 2012
206: The Old Gods and the NewWritten by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David NutterAirdate: 6 May 2012
207: A Man Without HonorWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Nutter Airdate: 13 May 2012
208: The Prince of WinterfellWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 20 May 2012
209: BlackwaterWritten by George R.R. Martin, directed by Neil Marshall Airdate: 27 May 2012
210: Valar MorghulisWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 3 June 2012
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
Probably going to be Stannis and Mel re-enacting it on the Dragonstone table with the action figures, post-coitus.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder if they're still going to have Tyrion get his nose cut off etc.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 08:40 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:05 (twelve years ago) link
They'll probably just give him an interesting scar instead.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:21 (twelve years ago) link
grrm dropped too many hints about jon snow actually being lyanna stark's son to just kill him off without having the Big Reveal about that. he'll surely be back
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
kind of like how ppl had a hard time seeing HBO kill of poster boy Sean Bean?
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
No, not really
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
they already made a concession by not having him be ugly from the start. They might give him a nasty scar but i doubt they'll go all the way with it.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
did you know peter dinklage was in that one episode of 30 rock? tina fey mistakes him for a child but then starts dating him to cover up for it
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
SHUT IT DOWN.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm betting on inside the wolf first, for a few chapters, then Mels does some red magic, pulling him out of wolf and into his former body. He'll def be in the wolf at least for a while; there was way too much attention paid to that boar thing, as if to get us thinking abt it.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Cosign but add Boltons pere et fils, I'll feel mega robbed if there are not ample scenes of their creepiness. Also, no Reek no credibility.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure roose bolton is cast for this season
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
He's being played by Michael McElhatton.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
My wife is convinced the Reeds will be left out of the show, with the domesticated wildling chick hitting their notes. Thoughts?
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
I hope not.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
perhaps, though book-wise, Howland Reed is the only one left alive who knows a bunch of secret stuff that Ned otherwise took to the grave
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
i think the one big story change they should consider for the show is somehow getting Dany to Westeros earlier. there's no crucial plot reason i can think of for her to chill in the east for 2 more books after she frees Mereen and has an army, other than the dragons growing which can just be sped up
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
ya get rid of that shit
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
That's possible, too! It'd be like coming up with a cool story and boasting about it, and then some 10-year old boy is all "what, he's a ghost who has been dead the whole time?" And then you just deflate.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 January 2016 20:30 (eight years ago) link
Anyway, if this guy really does have an idea how he wants it all to end, I wonder if it is indeed the show that's thrown him off. That is, maybe the joy of discovery in writing, as he's writing, might have fizzled out after he essentially "wrote" the entire series for the show runners. That's a lot more intense than an outline, that's really bringing others along on an entire journey, locking in the narrative (at least to an extent), then basically going backwards and starting the trip again, while struggling to catch up with the people you gave a head start. It's got to be dispiriting to have someone else usurp your creative momentum.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, January 4, 2016 12:21 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there's something to this imo. not fussed about it either way tbh. looking forward to the season, happy to read the book whenever it shows up.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 4 January 2016 20:44 (eight years ago) link
The main benefit of the show finishing first is that he can use all the response to improve upon it. I can't imagine he'll feel the same pressure when the show finishes in 2017.
I'm pretty excited about the 6th season but I can't help but feel it'll suffer for not having finished books, intense fan discussion and hindsight to work upon.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 January 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link
oh wow, they are still publishing Wild Cards books
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 January 2016 22:52 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmrA8nOZF2Q
Gee, maybe Jon really is dead!
― La Lechazunga (Leee), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:23 (eight years ago) link
well Tyrion too if that's to be believed? was that some many faced God ref?
― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 09:13 (eight years ago) link
I think Dany's one of the faces too, so they're probably overplaying the Anyone Can Die card.
― La Lechazunga (Leee), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:17 (eight years ago) link
Can they only disguise themselves with the faces of the dead?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
I think they were just using the cool room with the faces as a visual motif, and it has nothing to do with whether the characters are dead/gonna die/whatever
― sarahell, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link
Oh soz yeah I didnt take it as interpreting that theyre all gonna die.
― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 22:51 (eight years ago) link
hey guys
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 22:58 (eight years ago) link
winter is coming
oh sweet i can finally read this thread
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:00 (eight years ago) link
http://imgur.com/a/mrrK4
grrm's original outline to the publishers for the asoiaf "trilogy"
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 20 June 2016 14:08 (seven years ago) link
lol really hope that love triangle's still happening.
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 20 June 2016 14:26 (seven years ago) link
Sigh
― schwantz, Friday, 19 August 2016 23:12 (seven years ago) link
lol
https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/25/17280908/george-r-r-martin-grrm-game-of-thrones-song-of-ice-and-fire
― Number None, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
Yeah, that made me chuckle as well.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
And it's going to be TWO volumes. Except I'm sure that he's going to expand it to 3+, without ever finishing them.
― Twyla Thwoorp (Leee), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:44 (six years ago) link
I've been fairly positive for quite a while that Winds of Winter will never see the light of day during his lifetime. This news is a good indication that's what's happening. I don't get people who are highly anticipating it like it will come out any day now. My brother-in-law refuses to watch the two most recent seasons of GoT until the rest of the books come out. Insane.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwa6xgIZCv8
― omar little, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
I love the cinematography of that film
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
Martin has somehow achieved the almost impossible task of making a civil war between people with dragons seem dull, with dry prose that would fit right alongside Gibbon’s famed work.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 26 April 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
Impossible task?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 27 April 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
I can't wait for his 10,000 page Westeros cookbook.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 27 April 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
The asiof cookbook is actually really good imo
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 27 April 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
i have eaten a couple dishes from it tbrr
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Friday, 27 April 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, April 27, 2018 6:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
look, we're all excited for winds of winter
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 27 April 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
I don't know if I'll ever read this series but I'm glad he's just writing what he feels like.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 27 April 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
The Winds of Winter blew strong across the Plains of Abaranth. Kornth, the boy, looked up at Twer, the Dwarf, his master.
"The Winds of Winter blow strong today," said the boy.
"Yes," said the dwarf to his charge. "And it is still only summer."
"But winter is coming," said the boy.
"It is," said the dwarf, upping the pace of his stride, as much to counter the chill and as to reach his destination that much faster.
"Are we there yet?" asked the boy.
"Not far now," said the dwarf, bracing himself against another blast of cold air. The journey had been long, too long, already, and his stomach announced its presence with ever greater frequency, as if angry at the absence of sustenance. Twer tried his best to ignore it, but he could not resist its impatience call, and his mind brought him back to more bountiful times. He recalled his mother in the kitchen, cooking from a great book based on food found in several tomes of ancient legend. He remembered long nights at the long table, watching his father eat is weight in roast boar and banana pudding, washed down with ample pours of Swamp Drink. But that was a different time, a time before dragons. During the feasts, full of stories and mirth, no one ever thought the dragons would return. And now, no one ever thought the dragons would ever leave. They were like demanding house guests with unfathomable appetites and unappeasable demands, the stuff of myth for dietary needs alone who now made their nests in the charred bones of their former hosts, the skeletal remnants of the world as it was before.
That is why Twer walked as fast as his short legs would take him, and that is why Korth the boy raced to keep up. The boy was the key. That is what the Red Prophecy declared, and even if Twer had his personal doubts, his desperation was such that he was willing to put his faith in the prospects of this small child, this soon to be young man, this future king who had once faced down a dragon ... and lived.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 April 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
Been a long time since I posted itt, but watching the shows has made me think about the books again.
I laughed to see GRRM putting out an angry blog about how he has not finished the books:
That seems to be happening right now. All of a sudden this crazy story about my finishing THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING years ago is popping up everywhere. No, I am not going to provide links. I don’t want to reward purveyors of misinformation with hits.I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume sixIt seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet…
I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six
It seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet…
― gyac, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 10:11 (five years ago) link
If he ever finishes the books and they turn out to be reasonably good, there will inevitably be a clamour for a TV adaptation of them
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 11:50 (five years ago) link
https://www.polygon.com/23200605/game-of-thrones-books-ending-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-song-ice-fire
Diplomatic way of saying that you don't want to make the same mistakes that GOT made.
But I'm sure it's a (kings)moot point because TWOW isn't ever going to get published.
― Lionel Chutzpah (Leee), Saturday, 9 July 2022 06:28 (one year ago) link
One thing I can say, in general enough terms that I will not be spoiling anything: not all of the characters who survived until the end of Game of Thrones will survive until the end of A Song of Ice and Fire, and not all of the characters who died on Game of Thrones will die in A Song of Ice and Fire. (Some will, sure. Of course. Maybe most. But definitely not all)
Something about this makes the storytelling seem kind of empty. Like playing a game to get the "good ending".
― jmm, Saturday, 9 July 2022 12:27 (one year ago) link
Fan reactions for genre stuff are so often centered around, ‘you killed my favorite character and ruined it for me!’ or ‘this character wasn’t punished properly’
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Saturday, 9 July 2022 12:43 (one year ago) link
I like his chances more than Rosemary Kirstein, Melanie Rawn and Robin McKinley. Janny Wurts and JV Jones are closing near the finish line now.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 10 July 2022 14:55 (one year ago) link
George's friend Phyllis Eisenstein finished her long running series plus another novel shortly before she died but nobody is publishing them, which is a total bummer
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 10 July 2022 15:04 (one year ago) link
Forgotten Diane Duane, there's a 4th book that has been waited on for nearly 30 years now
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 29 August 2022 19:41 (one year ago) link
George's friend Phyllis Eisenstein
Have you read her? I found a copy of Sorceror's Son in a Little Free Library - might give it a try.
― jmm, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link
Not yet but I bought a few things, I've heard plenty of good things.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 19:38 (one year ago) link