also, one departure i would like to suggest is gilly gets killed immediately so that terrible woman isn't on my tv anymore
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
aw, what did Kristin Wiig ever do to you
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
this is not the thread you want to open having noticed only that it has "GAME OF THRONES" in the title
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
So it's been renewed for season three, which means that now the show has to untangle books three and four, which will be a tough gig.
My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
they cut his head off and replaced it with his wolfs
― Lamp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, S2 finale
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting to see how they're breaking this down
201: The North RemembersWritten by David Benioff & D.B Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 1 April 2012
202: The Night LandsWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 8 April 2012
203: What is Dead May Never DieWritten by Bryan Cogman, directed by Alik SakharovAirdate: 15 April 2012
204: Garden of BonesWritten by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David PetrarcaAirdate: 22 April 2012
205: The Ghost of HarrenhalWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Petrarca Airdate: 29 April 2012
206: The Old Gods and the NewWritten by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David NutterAirdate: 6 May 2012
207: A Man Without HonorWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Nutter Airdate: 13 May 2012
208: The Prince of WinterfellWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 20 May 2012
209: BlackwaterWritten by George R.R. Martin, directed by Neil Marshall Airdate: 27 May 2012
210: Valar MorghulisWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 3 June 2012
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
Probably going to be Stannis and Mel re-enacting it on the Dragonstone table with the action figures, post-coitus.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder if they're still going to have Tyrion get his nose cut off etc.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 08:40 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:05 (twelve years ago) link
They'll probably just give him an interesting scar instead.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:21 (twelve years ago) link
grrm dropped too many hints about jon snow actually being lyanna stark's son to just kill him off without having the Big Reveal about that. he'll surely be back
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
kind of like how ppl had a hard time seeing HBO kill of poster boy Sean Bean?
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
No, not really
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
they already made a concession by not having him be ugly from the start. They might give him a nasty scar but i doubt they'll go all the way with it.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
did you know peter dinklage was in that one episode of 30 rock? tina fey mistakes him for a child but then starts dating him to cover up for it
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
SHUT IT DOWN.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure if Jon is going to be inside the wolf or brought back to life by the red queen. Either would work, though the first would be more interesting.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm betting on inside the wolf first, for a few chapters, then Mels does some red magic, pulling him out of wolf and into his former body. He'll def be in the wolf at least for a while; there was way too much attention paid to that boar thing, as if to get us thinking abt it.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that
I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Cosign but add Boltons pere et fils, I'll feel mega robbed if there are not ample scenes of their creepiness. Also, no Reek no credibility.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure roose bolton is cast for this season
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
He's being played by Michael McElhatton.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
My wife is convinced the Reeds will be left out of the show, with the domesticated wildling chick hitting their notes. Thoughts?
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
I hope not.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
perhaps, though book-wise, Howland Reed is the only one left alive who knows a bunch of secret stuff that Ned otherwise took to the grave
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
i think the one big story change they should consider for the show is somehow getting Dany to Westeros earlier. there's no crucial plot reason i can think of for her to chill in the east for 2 more books after she frees Mereen and has an army, other than the dragons growing which can just be sped up
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
ya get rid of that shit
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
like her only real cool scene for a long stretch of the books is the chapter where she 'trades' the dragon for the slave army and then torches the slavemaster guy
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
Agreed. In fact, the thing that really perplexes me abt the books is how long he has delayed what one has to assume are the two key 'ice' and 'fire' events (Dany enters Westeros w/dragons, Winter finally comes w/white walkers crossing the wall).
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
he doesn't really know what to do with the dragons, basically
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
If he did not start the fkin series without a p solid idea of where he was ultimately headed with the dragons and the white walkers, I pity him.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
*with* not without, sorry
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
people seem to think dany, tyrion, and jon are gonna be the 3 dragon riders (this theory also assumes that jon is lyanna stark's son and that she died in childbirth like tyrion and dany's mothers. not sure how this is relevant but people like patterns i guess?)
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
that also requires Tyrion to be a Targaryen. I know there are theories but that would be kind of annoying
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah if tyrion ends up being a targaryen or a dragon rider im giving up
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
i thought Snow was the son of Ned
― brownie, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
oh god brownie dont embarrass yourself
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
what will GRR Martin come up with next i ask you
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
now i hope the show completely abandons the books i want new content and grrm is not providing it
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
there's definitely a snow secret, the whole thing is ned brought him back from the wars and refused to talk about it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
maybe he's the son of an actual snowman
the jon-is-lyanna's-son thing is so tedious, grrm retroactively erasing from the record one of the few times a character had > 1 trait
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-201001/6d62572fd000cfe319ff7b46bdc5836c.jpg
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
grrm retroactively erasing from the record one of the few times a character had > 1 trait
I think even the first book leaves big hints that Jon is not Ned's son, so I don't think it's retroactive.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i think that's one thing he was sure of all along
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
yr probably right but i much prefer the idea of ned coming back from the war and going "YES this is MY SON that i had via HAVING SEX with SOMEONE ELSE, deal with it", seems much more grim and northern
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
i either missed this or blotted it out of my mind because I can't bear the thought of lovely lysanna having a bastard.
*throws self in front of whitewalker*
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
ban brownie
― max, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
i shall take my leave to Basilisk Point if anyone should enquire about my whereabouts
― biggie smallclothes (brownie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
It's also completely, totally out of character for Ned "I am a blinding idiot when it comes to matters of honor" Stark, particularly when as far as I can remember he pretty much never acts like there's anything shameful or dishonorable about Jon's existence, even when Cat goes off on him in book 1.
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but the reason he acts that way is that it is a carapace he has developed to cover the shame and guilt he feels over his bastard son
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
I can't wait for his 10,000 page Westeros cookbook.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 27 April 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
The asiof cookbook is actually really good imo
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 27 April 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
i have eaten a couple dishes from it tbrr
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Friday, 27 April 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, April 27, 2018 6:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
look, we're all excited for winds of winter
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 27 April 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
I don't know if I'll ever read this series but I'm glad he's just writing what he feels like.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 27 April 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
The Winds of Winter blew strong across the Plains of Abaranth. Kornth, the boy, looked up at Twer, the Dwarf, his master.
"The Winds of Winter blow strong today," said the boy.
"Yes," said the dwarf to his charge. "And it is still only summer."
"But winter is coming," said the boy.
"It is," said the dwarf, upping the pace of his stride, as much to counter the chill and as to reach his destination that much faster.
"Are we there yet?" asked the boy.
"Not far now," said the dwarf, bracing himself against another blast of cold air. The journey had been long, too long, already, and his stomach announced its presence with ever greater frequency, as if angry at the absence of sustenance. Twer tried his best to ignore it, but he could not resist its impatience call, and his mind brought him back to more bountiful times. He recalled his mother in the kitchen, cooking from a great book based on food found in several tomes of ancient legend. He remembered long nights at the long table, watching his father eat is weight in roast boar and banana pudding, washed down with ample pours of Swamp Drink. But that was a different time, a time before dragons. During the feasts, full of stories and mirth, no one ever thought the dragons would return. And now, no one ever thought the dragons would ever leave. They were like demanding house guests with unfathomable appetites and unappeasable demands, the stuff of myth for dietary needs alone who now made their nests in the charred bones of their former hosts, the skeletal remnants of the world as it was before.
That is why Twer walked as fast as his short legs would take him, and that is why Korth the boy raced to keep up. The boy was the key. That is what the Red Prophecy declared, and even if Twer had his personal doubts, his desperation was such that he was willing to put his faith in the prospects of this small child, this soon to be young man, this future king who had once faced down a dragon ... and lived.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 April 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
Been a long time since I posted itt, but watching the shows has made me think about the books again.
I laughed to see GRRM putting out an angry blog about how he has not finished the books:
That seems to be happening right now. All of a sudden this crazy story about my finishing THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING years ago is popping up everywhere. No, I am not going to provide links. I don’t want to reward purveyors of misinformation with hits.I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume sixIt seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet…
I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six
It seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet…
― gyac, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 10:11 (five years ago) link
If he ever finishes the books and they turn out to be reasonably good, there will inevitably be a clamour for a TV adaptation of them
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 11:50 (five years ago) link
https://www.polygon.com/23200605/game-of-thrones-books-ending-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-song-ice-fire
Diplomatic way of saying that you don't want to make the same mistakes that GOT made.
But I'm sure it's a (kings)moot point because TWOW isn't ever going to get published.
― Lionel Chutzpah (Leee), Saturday, 9 July 2022 06:28 (one year ago) link
One thing I can say, in general enough terms that I will not be spoiling anything: not all of the characters who survived until the end of Game of Thrones will survive until the end of A Song of Ice and Fire, and not all of the characters who died on Game of Thrones will die in A Song of Ice and Fire. (Some will, sure. Of course. Maybe most. But definitely not all)
Something about this makes the storytelling seem kind of empty. Like playing a game to get the "good ending".
― jmm, Saturday, 9 July 2022 12:27 (one year ago) link
Fan reactions for genre stuff are so often centered around, ‘you killed my favorite character and ruined it for me!’ or ‘this character wasn’t punished properly’
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Saturday, 9 July 2022 12:43 (one year ago) link
I like his chances more than Rosemary Kirstein, Melanie Rawn and Robin McKinley. Janny Wurts and JV Jones are closing near the finish line now.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 10 July 2022 14:55 (one year ago) link
George's friend Phyllis Eisenstein finished her long running series plus another novel shortly before she died but nobody is publishing them, which is a total bummer
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 10 July 2022 15:04 (one year ago) link
Forgotten Diane Duane, there's a 4th book that has been waited on for nearly 30 years now
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 29 August 2022 19:41 (one year ago) link
George's friend Phyllis Eisenstein
Have you read her? I found a copy of Sorceror's Son in a Little Free Library - might give it a try.
― jmm, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link
Not yet but I bought a few things, I've heard plenty of good things.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 19:38 (one year ago) link