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this land has lots of mountains/this land has lots of mud...

I don't feel very tied together with much of brooklyn/other brooklynites. and I have no antagonism towards manhattan. it's just a place where I work but could never dream of living.
maybe that would be different if I moved here ten years ago or something.

Hurting 2 OTM

ie. I have never felt a whiff of "stance" about living in brooklyn. it's just where I can conceivably afford to be without alienating friends.

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Although to be fair, I now work in a midtown east office where I'm the only Brooklyn resident and it seems like a bit of a novelty/curiosity to some people, especially the senior partners. The people who make more money live in Manhattan or Westchester or something, and the people who make less live in Jersey or Queens, but no one but me is in Brooklyn.

Like I wouldn't say I have to "defend" it, but there are older people who are surprised I live there with a baby, surprised my commute is not that bad, etc.

Anyway at least with people 50 and under I think the Times has pretty much killed any need to "defend" Brooklyn. Williamsburg's waterfront is already full of finance industry bros, and pretty much everyone I meet has at least been to the Brooklyn Brewery or Brooklyn Flea or has some restaurant that they make the trip over the bridge for.

or the people 50 and over who live in brookyln

A former ilxor who worked for a literary agency had a boss who came from so much money that she had never lived outside Manhattan in her life and never took the subway, and she was shocked/horrified that her employee(s) would live in Williamsburg and didn't know what train went there. This was...maybe 6 years ago?

826,551 people 45 or older live in brooklyn according to some math I just did

I've been to industry dinners with vendor salesmen who offered to pay for our cabs home assuming we all lived in Manhattan, too. That was funny.

funny thing is people who live in manhattan and are in my income bracket are pretty much guaranteed to be 50+ exclusively.
lotta old people in my office with rent controlled places in amazing neighborhoods who think I should move there to be by nice restaurants.

I just feel bad for the 'I've never left manhattan' ppl, it's like living in belgium but never having seen holland

Is Brooklyn itself artisanal

vs. mass produced manhattan

Yeah I'm definitely aware of those weird never-leave-Manhattanites, although I think they are a dying breed, and I think this has changed significantly even from six years ago.

Is Brooklyn itself artisanal

― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:04 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's a local city

That literary agent woman was like 35yo! She was rich, though.

idk anything about that lifestyle, although I am trying to catch up with this tv documentary called "gossip girl"

yeah they are usually rich people born in NYC. Nowadays though I feel like even rich private schoolers of the Gossip Girl mold make jaunts into Brooklyn.

neighborhood pride was a fungible commodity

i am trying to parse fungible in this context and it's just not working, are you saying that staten island pride has the same commodity value as brooklyn pride because haha no

i mean that the branding of "brooklyn" treats that authenticity value of brooklyn's working-class, underdog pride as something something that anyone can buy into. this sort of branding reduces local identity to a meaningless set of tradeable logos that anyone can acquire or cast off as they see fit. it devalues neighborhood pride as an intrinsic quality tied to long-term relationships with place, culture and history.

there's nothing deeply wrong with any of that, commerce will have its way and newcomers are as entitled to pride-in-place as anyone, but it's not something i feel personally comfortable adopting.

i would never leave manhattan if i lived in manhattan.

but i'm a man of few needs.

scott i bet you would leave manhattan to go to metal shows in brooklyn.

you would probably leave manhattan to look for records too, who are you kidding??

but there are lots of records in manhattan! and if i lived there i could probably afford them all. would not go to metal shows in brooklyn.

if someone offered to drive me to brooklyn and take me somewhere fun i would go. probably.

like if we had some beers and I put you in a car with the promise or music or something and then you're all of the sudden wondering why we're on a bridge or in a tunnel

when i lived in philly i never went anywhere. had no desire to. i could go a calendar year easy living in center city never getting on a bus/train/cab/car and only going as far as i could walk. i could walk pretty far though.

lol, driving (xpost)

i hate public transportation. its too public. i enjoy walking. just being in manhattan it occurred to me that i would never have to leave the village if i lived there. it has everything i could possibly need.

but i would have to be rich to live there. and i will never be rich. so i live the poor man's paradise life here in western mass. i can walk to the supermarket and my store.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/dining/08pizza.html

I did not include predecessors like Patsy’s, Grimaldi’s or Di Fara because they’re products of less self-conscious pizza times. Back then a dismissive telephone greeting like the one I once got at Una Pizza Napoletana (“Hello, Una Pizza, we don’t deliver!”) would have been more surprising, and a recording like the one at South Brooklyn Pizza, in Carroll Gardens, would have been laughable. The British-accented voice in that recording used the phrases “exclusive, votive-lit hideaway,” “hand-crafted” and “custom-made” in the span of 30 seconds, and mentioned an “1890s Napoleon brick oven,” creating ambiguity about whether an Italian region or French emperor was being referenced.

A former ilxor who worked for a literary agency had a boss who came from so much money that she had never lived outside Manhattan in her life and never took the subway, and she was shocked/horrified that her employee(s) would live in Williamsburg and didn't know what train went there. This was...maybe 6 years ago?

― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

haha I have heard similar stories while living in HK

(about HK, not about HK people who have never been to williamsburg)

less self-conscious pizza times

pizza makers -- pizzaiola, they are now called

haha, no they are not, you have got to be kidding me right here

i think what ties brooklynites together, btw, is not a sense of pride or antagonism towards manhattanites, but just people in general trying to ~get shit done~ be it get to work on the train, buy groceries, walk the dog, whatever, people are just about doing what they're doing no judgments, and there seems to be a certain level of mutual respect for people in the community who would otherwise have nothing in common with each other. some sense of 'all in this together.'

― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, April 17, 2012

there aren't that many neighborhoods that fit that description in america

― iatee, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:38 PM (2 days ago)

Well, we can immediately eliminate the ones where everyone has a car and disappears into the house at 6pm every day.

(much of Queens?)

much of brooklyn! but yeah

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/04/artisanal-mayo-store-now-open-in-prospect-heights/

right around the corner from my apartment

belongs in a Portlandia sketch, not in my block, jeeeez

I'd say it's so easy to make your own mayo but I've fucked it up twice trying to use a food processor to do it. Immersion mixer probably key to doing it the fast way. Not that titrating the oil in by hand is all that slow, it's just uh kinda hard. Way better than Hellman's at any rate.

I hope the bulk of their business is to restaurants and the storefront is a sideline.

it looks disgusting. I don't really like mayo though. luckily it's not an artisanal pickle shop or I couldn't so easily mock.

http://empiremayo.myshopify.com/collections/all

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OF FUCKING COURSE

Considering her hair for summer. Thx, elms.

if you eat nothing but mayo it will happen naturally after a month

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